WFMU: If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from September 30, 2020

Listener comments!
	10:03pm doctorjazz: Great start, great album! Hi, pony express time!
	10:03pm Gary via app: Howdy!
	10:03pm chresti: Hi Sam and poetic horse players!
	🥁 10:04pm WR: I'm taking notes on the goals I see listed for each show's pledge drive.
	10:04pm coelacanth∅: howdy Sam and stablemates
	10:05pm Sam Segal: Doc, Gary, Chresti, WR, Coel! Hello, Pony People!
	10:05pm Chris Farrell: Hi horseless horses of the horseless lounge.
	10:06pm Sam Segal: Hello, Chris, you Lounge Lizard!
	10:07pm Chris Farrell: Ah but I found my way out of the lot! Lol..
	10:08pm rw: Evening! Nice start.
	10:13pm Sam Segal: Thanks for stopping in, RW!
	10:19pm Chris Farrell:
	10:20pm Sam Segal: Thanks for checking in with a Hellraiser pledge, RW! I'll get you a formal on-air thank you next week when the fundraiser formally begins. Greatly appreciate the support!
	10:20pm Franco Twinkie: Sam, I'm already riled up. Nothing you could play is going to smooth me out, so bring it on. I wanna break something!
	🥁 10:20pm WR: Did not watch the debate. Absolutely zero interest in media circuses and the talking heads spinning.
	10:22pm doctorjazz: I did watch it...kept me up half the night. Not sure I'll watch the next one. What's the point?
	10:23pm coelacanth∅: "demon fuzz" sounds so much better than "demon stubble"... still chafes though.
	10:24pm Franco Twinkie: I concur Doc. But I do like looking at disasters, always have.
	10:24pm Chris Farrell:
	10:25pm Sam Segal: Franco, I'm excited for later in the set when you body slam a card table to the sound of solo acoustic Japanese folk music.
	🥁 10:25pm WR: Nice version of the Electric Flag song.
	10:26pm coelacanth∅: i have enough to keep me awake at might without watching the impending doom.
	10:26pm Michael 98145: good point
	10:26pm Sam Segal: Howdy, Michael!
	10:27pm coelacanth∅: (awake at might... and at night)
	10:27pm Sam Segal: Thanks for info, WR. Didn't realize this was a cover. Will need to check out the original.
	10:28pm doctorjazz: Electric Flag cover-2 points for knowing that, WR!
	10:29pm coelacanth∅: i didn't know either. good song
	🥁 10:30pm WR: www.discogs.com...
	10:33pm Michael 98145: ( okay. no, no more "debates." the orange-face minstrel doesn't need any more exposure. )
	10:35pm coelacanth∅: so i guess Ron Polte (who penned another country) is like electric flag's Mars Bonfire? not in the band but they do several of his songs...
	🥁 10:39pm WR: Yeah, I was not familiar with Polte before, had not noticed he wrote three of the compositions on that album.
	10:40pm Franco Twinkie: Ron Polte was a street mechanic and former petty criminal before he became Quicksilvers manager.
	🥁 10:43pm WR: Makes me wonder if Polte wrote those tunes or that's how Gravenites paid a bill. Either way is ok with me.
	10:44pm Franco Twinkie: They were old pals from Chicago.
	10:45pm chresti: I did not watch (missed it) the shitshow, if I did, I would turn the sound down, with cc on, then hilarity would be had.
	10:51pm coelacanth∅: maybe there's a bugs bunny cartoon that the sound aligns with the visuals of the debate
	10:51pm Franco Twinkie: I saw most of the major screaming points, but bailed when Trump started crowing about what a great job he's done on the environment.
	🥁 10:52pm WR: Sam, did not expect twee Japanese folkies. I like the unexpected.
	10:52pm Sam Segal: I aims to unexpect, WR!
	10:54pm chresti: Closed captions are always entertaining, how it bungles up what is actually being said!
	10:55pm coelacanth∅: bush stuck to it, so did reagan...goebbles formula of telling lies so outrageous that people were dumfounded and decided they must've been mistaken about (what were actually) the facts.
	10:55pm coelacanth∅: - or is it that people hear lies like that and just give up for the hopelessness of it...
	10:57pm Franco Twinkie: Well those guys were cynical and practiced, but trump is a monster of a different order.
	10:57pm chresti: I guess it works when people hear what they want to hear.
	🥁 10:59pm WR: chresti, CC for comic relief can be entertaining but seriously I want to see or hear nothing more of Trump except his departure on the next inauguration day. The End.
	11:00pm chresti: WR, I can't stand the sound of his sneery, shrill voice.
	11:03pm chresti: Oh, I better not get started..
	11:07pm Dean: Trump is by no means a monster of a different order. He is a massively embarrassing public figure, but not at all unlike status quo America. We should not seek leaders who merely politely fuck us.
	11:07pm Franco Twinkie: I agree WR, but I like to look at things to see just how frightening they are. And at this quivering moment our collective future everything is so bad that I like to aware of the horror that awaits me whenever I leave the house
	11:10pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, I disagree. He is a once in a lifetime aberration.
	11:11pm Dean: Once in whose lifetime? Certainly not mine.
	11:11pm Franco Twinkie: Who is this bad? Name him. Pol Pot?
	11:12pm Pie: phone wasn't working for comments. but my comments were similar comments of a pie emoji stating pie will be here. but pie was the emoji. Like the single guy at date night whose partner is your friends girlfriends (who you don't THINK likes you but they haven't been dating long enough to tell) sister and she is trying to guess your picture but it just wasn't going.. just like my relationship with this hypothetical girl's hypothetical sister, who still might be single but I'll JUST NEVER KNOW . lol The computer is more legit for commenting. Pelt are really a "canary in a coal mine"
	11:15pm Franco Twinkie: I'm waiting.
	11:16pm coelacanth∅: he's very different than his predecessors; but i'm not convinced he's the total buffoon that he appears. it might be part of a rather grand plan, evolved from the scheme started just before reagan. reagan's schtick was similar in some ways. trump's buffoonery may be calculated; or those pulling the strings chose him because of his authentic buffoonery.
	🥁 11:17pm WR: Sam, thank you for introducing me to Kesarbai Kerkar.
	11:17pm coelacanth∅: hi Pie
	11:17pm Sam Segal: I know what you mean, Dean.
	11:18pm Sam Segal: My pleasure, WR. Glad the guy from Canary Records turned me on to her.
	11:23pm Sam Segal: I find Trump as repugnant as the next person, but if you want to compare body counts, he's got nothing on George W. Bush. The Iraq War killed upwards of a million people. Not that Trump hasn't caused a great deal of misery, hardship, and unnecessary death, but misery, hardship, and unnecessary death is pretty much par for the course for any American president...Trump's just less polite about it.
	11:24pm Franco Twinkie: He is the catalyst for something that has the potential to be much more destructive than his predecessors. Those dipshits are in the rear view mirror. The magnitude of his effect is something that is yet unknowable.
	11:26pm Sam Segal: I see what you mean, Franco. You could certainly be right.
	11:27pm Dean: Sorry. Had to prompt my daughter to brush her teeth. Who's this bad? You suggest Pol Pot? That's patently absurd. I would suggest, well, Barack Obama, who authorized the murder of thousands of innocents. (Yes, Trump has bettered him in that regard.) George W. Bush, who inaugurated endless unofficial wars with which Trump at least claimed he disagreed. But Americans are a very sensitive people. We're all about appearances, and frankly, we always have been. Trump embarrasses us. Rightly so, but the very fact of Article II should embarrass us, as it did some of the founders whose opinions failed to prevail. We should not have a president. Americans are also like to pretend that their difficulties are potentially "more destructive" than those in other countries, another instance of Americans thinking they are exceptionally burdened.
	11:28pm Dean: Oy...^ also like to pretend...
	11:29pm Franco Twinkie: Is it that his evil is just more transparent? He relishes in letting everybody know he is their worst nightmare.
	11:29pm coelacanth∅: that's definitely true. (@1124) but it also validates my point. trump wouldn't be able to get away with what he does if reagan, and then the bushes, hadn't opened those doors.
	11:30pm Dean: No. It is that he is an embarrassing, buffoonish, ignorant imbecile. We Americans shudder at the thought of having to be represented by him. It's about us, not him.
	11:31pm Franco Twinkie: We can't do anything about the demons in power elsewhere. Here we can.
	11:33pm Michael 98145: And demons keep popping up all over the world.
	11:33pm coelacanth∅: Dean you're speaking for yourself i guess, but you are not speaking for me and therefore not speaking for many others as well. i'm not slightly concerned about "embarrassment".
	11:34pm Franco Twinkie: Like fungus after it rains they do.
	11:34pm doctorjazz: Ali Onda was pretty amazing.
	11:36pm chresti: Agree, doc.
	11:36pm Pie: Thought from my paper on Under Armour: The minute I as a person begin to value something that is void of value, like emotion, human spirit, or the self. My window for personal satisfaction begins to unconsciously close.
	11:36pm Michael 98145: I will do whatever i can to promote education. Everywhere. Not that i can do all that much.
	11:36pm coelacanth∅: Natalia ain't so shabby either
	11:37pm Sam Segal: Glad you both dug him. Aki Onda is a remarkable live performer, if you get the chance to see him. I watched him spin marbles around inside a cymbal with a contact mic inside, and it was mesmerizing.
	11:37pm Michael 98145: @coel, agreed
	11:37pm Dean: coelacanth∅: I hear you, but note that I'm not speaking for myself, either, inasmuch as virtually all POTUS embarrass me, which is why I don't think Trump is special. I do note, however, that criticism of Trump tends to hover around his violation of "norms," which is another way of saying that he is gauche (which he is). But that's not a substantive disagreement. It's hard substantially to distinguish his administration from previous ones. He is carrying on the legacy of the presidency that we have permitted, perhaps even desired.
	11:38pm Sam Segal: Something wonky going on with that Natalia Lafourcade file. Apologies for the skips. Will play more of her music in the future without skips!
	11:39pm Dean: Put another way, we would have tolerated Obama's implementation of virtually the same policies we see from Trump, merely because Obama is a smart, charismatic guy. That doesn't reflect well on us.
	11:40pm Sam Segal: Couldn't agree more, Dean.
	11:40pm doctorjazz: The scary thing is the Trump minions, his right wing followers. There's truth that Republicans have been great at "Dog whistles" since at least Nixon (and also true that Democrats, while better in comparison, have pulled some bad stuff as well). But his Pied piper routine, bringing out armed Proud Boys, is really scary (yes, the armed Right was around in the 90s, but they seem almost mainstream now).
	11:42pm doctorjazz: Obama did get labeled the Deporter in Chief) before Trump took his title.
	11:43pm Sam Segal: The seeming affirmation of the Proud Boys during the debate last night was definitely concerning, Doc. Agreed.
	11:46pm doctorjazz: Like the wind down, Sam (glad I was able to make it for the whole show for a change).
	11:47pm Michael 98145: 'night, all
	11:48pm coelacanth∅: Dean my concern is just as it was under reagan, only we're that many steps farther down the well now, and the training toward sheepdom that began under reagan has been very successful. we're 13cm from a 1984 type of scenario and if those in power decide to make it so it will be so. there's nothing we can do about it now. ...and yeah again - i would not have tolerated obama or anyone else doing the same things. (...and i didn't trust obama)
	11:48pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, admittedly I am as gauche as they come, but aside from voting when it's presented to me as a luxury activity, I do nothing to influence public policy with far reaching effects. He does. Gauche is about as consequential as wearing mismatched socks. It's everything else he does that's so troubling.
	11:49pm rw: Man, I want to chime in but it seems y'all are doing a pretty good job. Thanks once again Mr. Segal. Take care everyone. Always a pleasure.
	11:49pm coelacanth∅: gnight Michael
	11:49pm Sam Segal: Thanks for hanging out, Michael!
	11:50pm doctorjazz: Night, Michael.
	11:50pm Sam Segal: Cheers, RW! Thanks for being here.
	11:50pm coelacanth∅: 'night rw
	11:51pm doctorjazz: Nice sounding recording, this Welch (granted, usingheadphones and a phone. Good sounding headphones, and a good sounding phone, though).
	11:51pm doctorjazz: Night, re.
	11:52pm doctorjazz: (...rw)
	11:52pm Dean: I can't agree with you more, Franco. That's my point. The main complaint about Trump is the mere stupid fact that he's a nitwit. That fact embarrasses Americans. Reagan, at least, according to some, had a gift for oratory. (I fail to see it.) Accordingly, even if his policies were monstrous, at least he was "presidential." And now we revise favorably our opinions of W. Bush, because he could form more complete sentences than the current POTUS. Are we idiots, or what?
	11:53pm Franco Twinkie: The bar is low indeed.
	11:53pm coelacanth∅: dr j @1140 right...lest we hide our heads in the sand that all the overtly racist and otherwise hateful and intolerant shit that seems so pervasive now would not be so if trump weren't in office.
	11:53pm Franco Twinkie: Yes!
	11:54pm coelacanth∅: these folks would be racist (etc) anyway but now they're not compelled to check themselves. they are accepted.
	11:54pm doctorjazz: Hearing Reagan speak always sent the same shivers down my spine as Trump (Bush too). But, point well taken, Obama could package things better (while he did some bad stuff, he didn't match the GOP Prez bunch)
	11:55pm Franco Twinkie: Absolutely.
	11:56pm doctorjazz: Trump said at the debate that Racial Sensitivity Training was a racist idea (racist against white folks). And he's selling it.
	11:57pm coelacanth∅: Thank you Doctor! agreed on all points
	11:59pm Dean: Right, and yet the "not as bad as" move only goes so far. It does not mitigate the damage that Dem presidents cause merely because the Dem caused "less." It's policy, and it becomes precedent. Hence Obama's monstrosity. Racial Sensitivity Training is unmitigated bullshit. It will set back anti-racist progress in ways we will deeply regret.
	11:59pm coelacanth∅: when reagan was up for reelection i visited my mother one day. she had a tv on in the kitchen and she turned it down so we could talk. i looked at reagan's talking head with no sound and thought "this man is lying right now". ...and i'm sure he was.
	11:59pm chresti: 'Night Michael and rw.
	11:59pm Franco Twinkie: Obama, Bush(s) Reagan and Nixon are not germane to this moment. No time for mass reeducation. Get rid of him, before he gets rid of us.
	12:00am doctorjazz: Really purty end, thanks, Sam, really enjoyed it (and the board, night all)!
	12:01am coelacanth∅: true Dean. and Clinton did some seriously fucked-up things too. (being infidel with his wife was not one of them, relatively speaking!)
	🥁 12:02am DL in LA: Never heard that Keith Jarrett before. Completely lovely.
	12:02am Franco Twinkie: Thanks Sam. It's the political season, let's step to it.
	🥁 12:02am WR: Thank you Sam. Take care all.
	12:03am Dean: But they are germane, Franco. They establish precedents that become difficult to adjust. Okay, I love the Jarrett trio, I miss Peacock, and I'm happy that WFMU is playing tracks from their huge catalog, much of which I hold in my collection, because, damn, they were exquisite.
	12:04am coelacanth∅: of course, Franco. but if some people don't realise how bad things are they need to be educated; and getting things into perspective helps with that.
	12:04am doctorjazz: Not familiar with the content of Racial Sensitivity Training, you could be right. Dean. But the idea is that America is the best, most perfect place, never did a racist thing, and people who point out it's history are traitors.
	12:05am coelacanth∅: play it again, Sam! then i'll tell you.
	12:05am Franco Twinkie: Americans are slow learners. It's on us.
	12:06am coelacanth∅: "if we were going any slower we'd be going backward" (barney rubble)
	12:06am Dean: That has never been the idea, doctorjazz. Did you notice that the much lauded NYT 1619 Project quietly recanted its most extreme position, namely that America's founding was the eponymous year? It was an absurd notion from the outset. Asserting it does nothing for anti-racism.
	12:06am coelacanth∅: Thanks Sam! Splendid program! good night everyone take care
	11:58am coelacanth∅: well, i played it again,Sam, and i still don't know which bass he plays on that! Thanks,again

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September 30, 2020: Horseplay Poetics 101

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
William Parker & the Little Huey Creative Music Orchestra	Anthem	Mayor of Punkville	AUM Fidelity	0:00:00 (Pop-up)

Demon Fuzz	Another Country "Another Country" by "Demon Fuzz"	Afreaka!	Janus	0:19:05 (Pop-up)
Mayo Thompson	Worried Worried "Worried Worried" by "Mayo Thompson"	Corky's Debt to His Father	Glass	0:27:43 (Pop-up)
Thinking Fellers Union Local 282	Socket	Strangers from the Universe	Matador	0:32:54 (Pop-up)
Pram	Milky "Milky" by "Pram"	The Stars Are So Big, The Earth Is So Small... Stay As You Are	Too Pure	0:36:48 (Pop-up)
Taku Unami / Moé Kamura / Tetuzi Akiyama	Sail And Step	Hontatedori	Compare Notes	0:40:47 (Pop-up)
Aoba Ichiko	妖精の手招き Enchantment Of The Fairy	qp	Speedstar	0:44:18 (Pop-up)
Kaeru-Moku	鳥頭 "鳥頭" by "Kaeru-Moku"	Haisyaku 拝借	Compare Notes	0:46:40 (Pop-up)
Lula Côrtes & Zé Ramalho	Regato Da Montanha	Paêbirú	Mr. Bongo	0:52:04 (Pop-up)
Pelt	Raga Called John, Pt. 3 "Raga Called John, Pt. 3" by "Pelt"	Ayahuasca	VHF	0:55:07 (Pop-up)
Kesarbai Kerkar	Bhairavi: Jaat Kahan Ho	Kesarbai Kerkar: 1944-1953	Canary	1:01:10 (Pop-up)

Jega	Motion Math "Motion Math" by "Jega"	Geometry	Planet Mu	1:13:35 (Pop-up)
/f	parts "parts" by "/f"	pq:f	psalmus diuersae	1:18:30 (Pop-up)
Bloodmist	Incantory Sentience "Incantory Sentience" by "Bloodmist"	Phos	Kayo Dot	1:19:46 (Pop-up)
Aki Onda	Rebirth "Rebirth" by "Aki Onda"	Rupture	Important	1:28:10 (Pop-up)
Natalia Lafourcade	Alma Mía "Alma Mía" by "Natalia Lafourcade"	Musas: Un Homenaje al Folclore Latinoamericano en Manos de Los Macorinos, Vol 2	Sony/RCA	1:33:32 (Pop-up)
Tashi Dorji	Statues Crumble, Heroes Fall	Stateless	Drag City	1:38:32 (Pop-up)
Gillian Welch	Tennessee "Tennessee" by "Gillian Welch"	The Harrow & the Harvest	Acony	1:44:24 (Pop-up)
Eric Revis	When I Become Nothing "When I Become Nothing" by "Eric Revis"	Slipknots Through a Looking Glass	Pyroclastic	1:50:41 (Pop-up)
Keith Jarrett / Gary Peacock / Jack DeJohnette	When I Fall In Love	Inside Out	ECM	1:54:40 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	10:03pm doctorjazz: Great start, great album! Hi, pony express time!
	10:03pm Gary via app: Howdy!
	10:03pm chresti: Hi Sam and poetic horse players!
	🥁 10:04pm WR: I'm taking notes on the goals I see listed for each show's pledge drive.
	10:04pm coelacanth∅: howdy Sam and stablemates
	10:05pm Sam Segal: Doc, Gary, Chresti, WR, Coel! Hello, Pony People!
	10:05pm Chris Farrell: Hi horseless horses of the horseless lounge.
	10:06pm Sam Segal: Hello, Chris, you Lounge Lizard!
	10:07pm Chris Farrell: Ah but I found my way out of the lot! Lol..
	10:08pm rw: Evening! Nice start.
	10:13pm Sam Segal: Thanks for stopping in, RW!
	10:19pm Chris Farrell:
	10:20pm Sam Segal: Thanks for checking in with a Hellraiser pledge, RW! I'll get you a formal on-air thank you next week when the fundraiser formally begins. Greatly appreciate the support!
	10:20pm Franco Twinkie: Sam, I'm already riled up. Nothing you could play is going to smooth me out, so bring it on. I wanna break something!
	🥁 10:20pm WR: Did not watch the debate. Absolutely zero interest in media circuses and the talking heads spinning.
	10:22pm doctorjazz: I did watch it...kept me up half the night. Not sure I'll watch the next one. What's the point?
	10:23pm coelacanth∅: "demon fuzz" sounds so much better than "demon stubble"... still chafes though.
	10:24pm Franco Twinkie: I concur Doc. But I do like looking at disasters, always have.
	10:24pm Chris Farrell:
	10:25pm Sam Segal: Franco, I'm excited for later in the set when you body slam a card table to the sound of solo acoustic Japanese folk music.
	🥁 10:25pm WR: Nice version of the Electric Flag song.
	10:26pm coelacanth∅: i have enough to keep me awake at might without watching the impending doom.
	10:26pm Michael 98145: good point
	10:26pm Sam Segal: Howdy, Michael!
	10:27pm coelacanth∅: (awake at might... and at night)
	10:27pm Sam Segal: Thanks for info, WR. Didn't realize this was a cover. Will need to check out the original.
	10:28pm doctorjazz: Electric Flag cover-2 points for knowing that, WR!
	10:29pm coelacanth∅: i didn't know either. good song
	🥁 10:30pm WR: www.discogs.com...
	10:33pm Michael 98145: ( okay. no, no more "debates." the orange-face minstrel doesn't need any more exposure. )
	10:35pm coelacanth∅: so i guess Ron Polte (who penned another country) is like electric flag's Mars Bonfire? not in the band but they do several of his songs...
	🥁 10:39pm WR: Yeah, I was not familiar with Polte before, had not noticed he wrote three of the compositions on that album.
	10:40pm Franco Twinkie: Ron Polte was a street mechanic and former petty criminal before he became Quicksilvers manager.
	🥁 10:43pm WR: Makes me wonder if Polte wrote those tunes or that's how Gravenites paid a bill. Either way is ok with me.
	10:44pm Franco Twinkie: They were old pals from Chicago.
	10:45pm chresti: I did not watch (missed it) the shitshow, if I did, I would turn the sound down, with cc on, then hilarity would be had.
	10:51pm coelacanth∅: maybe there's a bugs bunny cartoon that the sound aligns with the visuals of the debate
	10:51pm Franco Twinkie: I saw most of the major screaming points, but bailed when Trump started crowing about what a great job he's done on the environment.
	🥁 10:52pm WR: Sam, did not expect twee Japanese folkies. I like the unexpected.
	10:52pm Sam Segal: I aims to unexpect, WR!
	10:54pm chresti: Closed captions are always entertaining, how it bungles up what is actually being said!
	10:55pm coelacanth∅: bush stuck to it, so did reagan...goebbles formula of telling lies so outrageous that people were dumfounded and decided they must've been mistaken about (what were actually) the facts.
	10:55pm coelacanth∅: - or is it that people hear lies like that and just give up for the hopelessness of it...
	10:57pm Franco Twinkie: Well those guys were cynical and practiced, but trump is a monster of a different order.
	10:57pm chresti: I guess it works when people hear what they want to hear.
	🥁 10:59pm WR: chresti, CC for comic relief can be entertaining but seriously I want to see or hear nothing more of Trump except his departure on the next inauguration day. The End.
	11:00pm chresti: WR, I can't stand the sound of his sneery, shrill voice.
	11:03pm chresti: Oh, I better not get started..
	11:07pm Dean: Trump is by no means a monster of a different order. He is a massively embarrassing public figure, but not at all unlike status quo America. We should not seek leaders who merely politely fuck us.
	11:07pm Franco Twinkie: I agree WR, but I like to look at things to see just how frightening they are. And at this quivering moment our collective future everything is so bad that I like to aware of the horror that awaits me whenever I leave the house
	11:10pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, I disagree. He is a once in a lifetime aberration.
	11:11pm Dean: Once in whose lifetime? Certainly not mine.
	11:11pm Franco Twinkie: Who is this bad? Name him. Pol Pot?
	11:12pm Pie: phone wasn't working for comments. but my comments were similar comments of a pie emoji stating pie will be here. but pie was the emoji. Like the single guy at date night whose partner is your friends girlfriends (who you don't THINK likes you but they haven't been dating long enough to tell) sister and she is trying to guess your picture but it just wasn't going.. just like my relationship with this hypothetical girl's hypothetical sister, who still might be single but I'll JUST NEVER KNOW . lol The computer is more legit for commenting. Pelt are really a "canary in a coal mine"
	11:15pm Franco Twinkie: I'm waiting.
	11:16pm coelacanth∅: he's very different than his predecessors; but i'm not convinced he's the total buffoon that he appears. it might be part of a rather grand plan, evolved from the scheme started just before reagan. reagan's schtick was similar in some ways. trump's buffoonery may be calculated; or those pulling the strings chose him because of his authentic buffoonery.
	🥁 11:17pm WR: Sam, thank you for introducing me to Kesarbai Kerkar.
	11:17pm coelacanth∅: hi Pie
	11:17pm Sam Segal: I know what you mean, Dean.
	11:18pm Sam Segal: My pleasure, WR. Glad the guy from Canary Records turned me on to her.
	11:23pm Sam Segal: I find Trump as repugnant as the next person, but if you want to compare body counts, he's got nothing on George W. Bush. The Iraq War killed upwards of a million people. Not that Trump hasn't caused a great deal of misery, hardship, and unnecessary death, but misery, hardship, and unnecessary death is pretty much par for the course for any American president...Trump's just less polite about it.
	11:24pm Franco Twinkie: He is the catalyst for something that has the potential to be much more destructive than his predecessors. Those dipshits are in the rear view mirror. The magnitude of his effect is something that is yet unknowable.
	11:26pm Sam Segal: I see what you mean, Franco. You could certainly be right.
	11:27pm Dean: Sorry. Had to prompt my daughter to brush her teeth. Who's this bad? You suggest Pol Pot? That's patently absurd. I would suggest, well, Barack Obama, who authorized the murder of thousands of innocents. (Yes, Trump has bettered him in that regard.) George W. Bush, who inaugurated endless unofficial wars with which Trump at least claimed he disagreed. But Americans are a very sensitive people. We're all about appearances, and frankly, we always have been. Trump embarrasses us. Rightly so, but the very fact of Article II should embarrass us, as it did some of the founders whose opinions failed to prevail. We should not have a president. Americans are also like to pretend that their difficulties are potentially "more destructive" than those in other countries, another instance of Americans thinking they are exceptionally burdened.
	11:28pm Dean: Oy...^ also like to pretend...
	11:29pm Franco Twinkie: Is it that his evil is just more transparent? He relishes in letting everybody know he is their worst nightmare.
	11:29pm coelacanth∅: that's definitely true. (@1124) but it also validates my point. trump wouldn't be able to get away with what he does if reagan, and then the bushes, hadn't opened those doors.
	11:30pm Dean: No. It is that he is an embarrassing, buffoonish, ignorant imbecile. We Americans shudder at the thought of having to be represented by him. It's about us, not him.
	11:31pm Franco Twinkie: We can't do anything about the demons in power elsewhere. Here we can.
	11:33pm Michael 98145: And demons keep popping up all over the world.
	11:33pm coelacanth∅: Dean you're speaking for yourself i guess, but you are not speaking for me and therefore not speaking for many others as well. i'm not slightly concerned about "embarrassment".
	11:34pm Franco Twinkie: Like fungus after it rains they do.
	11:34pm doctorjazz: Ali Onda was pretty amazing.
	11:36pm chresti: Agree, doc.
	11:36pm Pie: Thought from my paper on Under Armour: The minute I as a person begin to value something that is void of value, like emotion, human spirit, or the self. My window for personal satisfaction begins to unconsciously close.
	11:36pm Michael 98145: I will do whatever i can to promote education. Everywhere. Not that i can do all that much.
	11:36pm coelacanth∅: Natalia ain't so shabby either
	11:37pm Sam Segal: Glad you both dug him. Aki Onda is a remarkable live performer, if you get the chance to see him. I watched him spin marbles around inside a cymbal with a contact mic inside, and it was mesmerizing.
	11:37pm Michael 98145: @coel, agreed
	11:37pm Dean: coelacanth∅: I hear you, but note that I'm not speaking for myself, either, inasmuch as virtually all POTUS embarrass me, which is why I don't think Trump is special. I do note, however, that criticism of Trump tends to hover around his violation of "norms," which is another way of saying that he is gauche (which he is). But that's not a substantive disagreement. It's hard substantially to distinguish his administration from previous ones. He is carrying on the legacy of the presidency that we have permitted, perhaps even desired.
	11:38pm Sam Segal: Something wonky going on with that Natalia Lafourcade file. Apologies for the skips. Will play more of her music in the future without skips!
	11:39pm Dean: Put another way, we would have tolerated Obama's implementation of virtually the same policies we see from Trump, merely because Obama is a smart, charismatic guy. That doesn't reflect well on us.
	11:40pm Sam Segal: Couldn't agree more, Dean.
	11:40pm doctorjazz: The scary thing is the Trump minions, his right wing followers. There's truth that Republicans have been great at "Dog whistles" since at least Nixon (and also true that Democrats, while better in comparison, have pulled some bad stuff as well). But his Pied piper routine, bringing out armed Proud Boys, is really scary (yes, the armed Right was around in the 90s, but they seem almost mainstream now).
	11:42pm doctorjazz: Obama did get labeled the Deporter in Chief) before Trump took his title.
	11:43pm Sam Segal: The seeming affirmation of the Proud Boys during the debate last night was definitely concerning, Doc. Agreed.
	11:46pm doctorjazz: Like the wind down, Sam (glad I was able to make it for the whole show for a change).
	11:47pm Michael 98145: 'night, all
	11:48pm coelacanth∅: Dean my concern is just as it was under reagan, only we're that many steps farther down the well now, and the training toward sheepdom that began under reagan has been very successful. we're 13cm from a 1984 type of scenario and if those in power decide to make it so it will be so. there's nothing we can do about it now. ...and yeah again - i would not have tolerated obama or anyone else doing the same things. (...and i didn't trust obama)
	11:48pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, admittedly I am as gauche as they come, but aside from voting when it's presented to me as a luxury activity, I do nothing to influence public policy with far reaching effects. He does. Gauche is about as consequential as wearing mismatched socks. It's everything else he does that's so troubling.
	11:49pm rw: Man, I want to chime in but it seems y'all are doing a pretty good job. Thanks once again Mr. Segal. Take care everyone. Always a pleasure.
	11:49pm coelacanth∅: gnight Michael
	11:49pm Sam Segal: Thanks for hanging out, Michael!
	11:50pm doctorjazz: Night, Michael.
	11:50pm Sam Segal: Cheers, RW! Thanks for being here.
	11:50pm coelacanth∅: 'night rw
	11:51pm doctorjazz: Nice sounding recording, this Welch (granted, usingheadphones and a phone. Good sounding headphones, and a good sounding phone, though).
	11:51pm doctorjazz: Night, re.
	11:52pm doctorjazz: (...rw)
	11:52pm Dean: I can't agree with you more, Franco. That's my point. The main complaint about Trump is the mere stupid fact that he's a nitwit. That fact embarrasses Americans. Reagan, at least, according to some, had a gift for oratory. (I fail to see it.) Accordingly, even if his policies were monstrous, at least he was "presidential." And now we revise favorably our opinions of W. Bush, because he could form more complete sentences than the current POTUS. Are we idiots, or what?
	11:53pm Franco Twinkie: The bar is low indeed.
	11:53pm coelacanth∅: dr j @1140 right...lest we hide our heads in the sand that all the overtly racist and otherwise hateful and intolerant shit that seems so pervasive now would not be so if trump weren't in office.
	11:53pm Franco Twinkie: Yes!
	11:54pm coelacanth∅: these folks would be racist (etc) anyway but now they're not compelled to check themselves. they are accepted.
	11:54pm doctorjazz: Hearing Reagan speak always sent the same shivers down my spine as Trump (Bush too). But, point well taken, Obama could package things better (while he did some bad stuff, he didn't match the GOP Prez bunch)
	11:55pm Franco Twinkie: Absolutely.
	11:56pm doctorjazz: Trump said at the debate that Racial Sensitivity Training was a racist idea (racist against white folks). And he's selling it.
	11:57pm coelacanth∅: Thank you Doctor! agreed on all points
	11:59pm Dean: Right, and yet the "not as bad as" move only goes so far. It does not mitigate the damage that Dem presidents cause merely because the Dem caused "less." It's policy, and it becomes precedent. Hence Obama's monstrosity. Racial Sensitivity Training is unmitigated bullshit. It will set back anti-racist progress in ways we will deeply regret.
	11:59pm coelacanth∅: when reagan was up for reelection i visited my mother one day. she had a tv on in the kitchen and she turned it down so we could talk. i looked at reagan's talking head with no sound and thought "this man is lying right now". ...and i'm sure he was.
	11:59pm chresti: 'Night Michael and rw.
	11:59pm Franco Twinkie: Obama, Bush(s) Reagan and Nixon are not germane to this moment. No time for mass reeducation. Get rid of him, before he gets rid of us.
	12:00am doctorjazz: Really purty end, thanks, Sam, really enjoyed it (and the board, night all)!
	12:01am coelacanth∅: true Dean. and Clinton did some seriously fucked-up things too. (being infidel with his wife was not one of them, relatively speaking!)
	🥁 12:02am DL in LA: Never heard that Keith Jarrett before. Completely lovely.
	12:02am Franco Twinkie: Thanks Sam. It's the political season, let's step to it.
	🥁 12:02am WR: Thank you Sam. Take care all.
	12:03am Dean: But they are germane, Franco. They establish precedents that become difficult to adjust. Okay, I love the Jarrett trio, I miss Peacock, and I'm happy that WFMU is playing tracks from their huge catalog, much of which I hold in my collection, because, damn, they were exquisite.
	12:04am coelacanth∅: of course, Franco. but if some people don't realise how bad things are they need to be educated; and getting things into perspective helps with that.
	12:04am doctorjazz: Not familiar with the content of Racial Sensitivity Training, you could be right. Dean. But the idea is that America is the best, most perfect place, never did a racist thing, and people who point out it's history are traitors.
	12:05am coelacanth∅: play it again, Sam! then i'll tell you.
	12:05am Franco Twinkie: Americans are slow learners. It's on us.
	12:06am coelacanth∅: "if we were going any slower we'd be going backward" (barney rubble)
	12:06am Dean: That has never been the idea, doctorjazz. Did you notice that the much lauded NYT 1619 Project quietly recanted its most extreme position, namely that America's founding was the eponymous year? It was an absurd notion from the outset. Asserting it does nothing for anti-racism.
	12:06am coelacanth∅: Thanks Sam! Splendid program! good night everyone take care
	11:58am coelacanth∅: well, i played it again,Sam, and i still don't know which bass he plays on that! Thanks,again

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