WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 10, 2018

Listener comments!
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Techdonkeys!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Hello Mark! Techaricators!
	6:01pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	6:01pm melinda: Hello all!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Mark! Techtonicuettes!
	6:02pm queems: helloooooo! time for my weekly panic attack
	6:02pm melinda: Techtarians!
	🤖 6:02pm chresti: Hi Mark and Technolators
	🤖 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Good evening, Techwads!
	6:04pm COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada: Herbert Hoover really would be awesome right about now.
	6:04pm Roland from Australia: Already to let Mark Hurst raise my blood pressure as he points out some of the bigger issues on the Internet which unfortunately almost everyone seems to be turning a blind eye towards. What are we going do about it! Start small with awareness and then it let grows into bigger things.
	🤖 6:04pm Bas NL: <<<<< That's a sad photo..
	6:05pm TDK60: How-do, you all.
	6:05pm Fredericks: Looks like alien mind control to me.
	6:05pm melinda: @queems I hear ya
	6:06pm Fragonard Chimielewski: I'm oscillating with excitement!
	6:07pm queems: oh boy!! lay it on me
	6:07pm dale: i'm having a techgin and techtonic.
	6:07pm northguineahills: @Henry: I prefer technodonkeys, which is now my new rave dance!
	6:07pm carrots: hey hey!!
	6:07pm sufferwords: los angeles is freaking out too- truth us
	6:07pm markinbrooklyn: Just waiting for you to go off on times app story!!!
	6:07pm Aitch: This show always scares me.
	6:07pm Colleen: Checking in.... yeah... this freaks me out!
	6:07pm Rich in Washington: @Bas NL: the missus and I went to one of those giant breakfast joints over the weekend and easily 80% of couples and families were wordlessly buried in their screens. Sad, indeed.
	6:09pm annie: i'm here but over on the other side of the room..
	6:09pm dale: is your city in storm meltdown annie?
	6:11pm ultradamno: Does the Apple watch calibrate religious experiences too?
	🤖 6:11pm Bas NL: Once had a BBQ with some twenty folks.. When eighteen were on their phone, my friend and i went inside to spin records.. two hours later one of the screens dropped in -screen in hand- and called us asocial. Go figure.
	6:12pm TDK60: I wonder if any American Buddhists have spoken out against the Burmese govt.'s Buddhist anti-Islamic bigotry. Hope so.
	6:12pm chris: hey, Mark and folks. that Brian Krebs article over there gives me indigestion. ugh.
	6:15pm TDK60: Ha! Bas; a screen zombie tellin' you that!
	6:15pm Fragonard Chimielewski: Scary sh*t
	6:16pm queems: what the hell WHAT THE HELL
	6:17pm northguineahills: I have my location ttracking turnedoff in the settings all the time. I know where I am all the time, (geographically, not mentally).
	🤖 6:18pm Bas NL: Google can enable GPS on your android phone remotely, without your knowledge.
	🤖 6:18pm Webhamster Henry: HIPAA's anonymizing rules try to protect agains abuses like that. If mass data is collected by zip code, and there aren't a lot of people in that zip code, they aggregate it with nearby codes until it reaches something like 50000 people.
	🤖 6:19pm Ken From Hyde Park: Sounds like we need an app that spoofs the location of the phone, sending fake data back to Google.
	6:19pm dale: hey! lisa's on fb and she's quite the world traveler. shouldn't the times give her a nom de plume?
	6:19pm COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada: This show is a great palate cleanse. So many smocking guns!
	6:20pm Beast of Boonton: modern ambulance chasing
	6:20pm northguineahills: I have my location also turned off on my wunderground app (I choose locations randomly around the world, mainly b/c I'm curious, and I like to create data noise).
	6:21pm mrdonutsu: IBM bought The Weather Company in 2015, fwiw.
	6:22pm Beast of Boonton: there are more advanced ways of disabling location data collection on the iphone too
	6:22pm kevlicki: TDK uses a flip phone
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: I must have the most stationary dot.
	6:23pm listener james from westwood: That NYT story reminded me of how we were able to trace overseas installations by following device data emanating from Afghanistan, etc. www.wired.com...
	6:24pm David in London: Saw Jaron Lanier lecture about this over the summer, and he was utterly scathing about it. He names it the BUMMER model, and covers it extensively in his recent book.
	6:24pm kevlicki: I want to get a faraday bag for my phone
	6:24pm TDK60: kevlicki: What's new up there?
	6:25pm EG_Astro: I would have never gotten a smartphone if my 160G ipod didn't die and that the newer ones weren't such hot garbage.
	6:26pm ultradamno: Or a Faraday hazmat suit
	6:26pm St Joe: you can't totally delete Facebook from Android it's a built-in app. you're only allowed to "disable" it
	6:26pm dale: i did in house communications materials for the ny power authority back in the late 80s. the indian point plant really was run like the plant in the simpsons.
	6:27pm dale: is ask jeeves still a thing?
	🤖 6:28pm Folsom: Links again don't open up in a new tab/window.
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: If you were John Oliver, you'd probably go out and buy one of those data sets and do some kind of joke like tracking trump.
	6:28pm Smokestack: Does having a VPN connection on your phone hide location tracking at all? Or do some apps just tap in to the GPS location?
	6:28pm queems: i miss lycos
	6:28pm BigCait: My fiancé (37) refused to get a SmartPhone and has been using a flip phone since we started dating 10 years ago. I thought he was insane. Now I think I am insane for having one. He is a professional with his own business and is surviving without this creepy appendage!
	6:30pm queems: do i have to delete my knot tying app too :(
	🤖 6:30pm Webhamster Henry: Location is done in a number of ways: one is GPS, which has nothing to do with cell or wifi, by wifi, which triangulates your position from the known positions and strengths of nearby wifi, and probably other ways that I don't know.
	6:30pm dale: my 83 year old mother in law was given an alexa by one of her sons and his wife for christmas. she can't work the microwave oven. what were they thinking?
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: Go with old Blackberries - your best defense is obsolescence!
	6:31pm coelacanth∅: hey Mark & techtosauruses
	🤖 6:32pm Webhamster Henry: That said, I released a new iPhone app last week... no social media involved!
	6:33pm Jeff Moore: I so want to build a Faraday cage around our TV/Movie watchin' room! (but not for privacy reasons, just to make it harder for people to multitask when we're supposed to be watching a piece of cinematic art, the proper enjoyment of which requires undivided attention and complete immersion)
	🤖 6:33pm Ken From Hyde Park: Huh...what part of N.D.? I'm from there. There was 60 in our class.
	6:33pm kevlicki: TDK60 on my way north from the brooklyn army terminal now
	6:34pm COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada: Google is the darkest of them all. I worked two years there. Past my NDA now, so I can tell you I was a spook. And you would not believe what they know.
	6:34pm coelacanth∅: i don't see how facadebook could be able to obtain any info on me besides people i'm "friends" with. i don't think they can.
	6:39pm JakeGould: Flip-phones can still be tracked in their own way. I also want to build a faraday cage for anon who doesn’t like “Back in the U.S.S.R.”
	6:40pm Beast of Boonton: Question for Rex: Do farmers back home use GPS and internet controls on their farming equipment?
	6:42pm JakeGould: James Remar was supposed to be in “Aliens” (1986) and some scenes were film with him, so when they completed the film Michael Biehn you can still see a few scenes of him from behind.
	6:42pm JakeGould: And what about Peter Cushing being digital revived for “Rogue One.”
	🤖 6:42pm Folsom: Farmers use GPS on the tractors, they can get centimeter accuracy.
	6:43pm JakeGould: @Folsom: But isn’t there a subculture of farmers who hack John Deere equipment to upgrade and adjust firmware so they can self-repair their tractors.
	6:44pm coelacanth∅: why do you call it a "she"? you're enabling that bullshit.
	6:45pm LilyAbigale: Just used Amazon to buy Rex's book. Is this literally irony?
	6:45pm JakeGould: @coelacantho: Because “it” is gendered as a “she.” en.wikipedia.org...
	6:46pm Sam: So a virtual character opened for Lady Gaga. Lady Gaga is already fake anyway.
	6:46pm JakeGould: @Sam: Exactly!!!!
	6:47pm Neal vega: I went to hatsune mikus concert in the city q few months ago and it was a completely different experience. I will never forget it
	6:48pm ultradamno: Patton Oswalt has a bit in his most recent stand up about robocalls that work in umms, ahs and a pretense of having made mistakes, etc.
	🤖 6:48pm Folsom: @JakeGould I think John Deere uses DMCA to get the license agreement that limits the self-repair to be legal
	6:49pm Jeff Moore: Haagen Dazs? NJ?
	6:49pm Travisano66: Guest, please tell us why a robot should be obligated to tell us that he/she is a robot. (I threw the pronouns in there just to mess with you, but it's a serious question.)
	6:49pm JakeGould: Frusen Glädje is more authentic.
	6:49pm JakeGould: And nobody drinks Foster in Australia.
	6:49pm Fragonard Chimielewski: Nestle
	6:50pm Jeff Moore: Ginsu: they come from TV.
	6:50pm TDK60: There really is such a thing as a hologram concert? Phewy!
	6:50pm queems: these children aren't french. they're american!
	6:50pm JakeGould: @Folsom: Check this out www.agriculture.com...
	6:50pm Travisano66: Poland Springs, comin' to ya straight from Maine!
	6:50pm ultradamno: en.wikipedia.org...
	6:51pm Jeff Moore: Isn't Montblanc German? Someplace in Yurp, but I don't think Fraunce. If not Germany, Switzerland?
	6:51pm Fragonard Chimielewski: I love uumlauts
	6:52pm JakeGould: Don’t tell me Bartles and Jaymes are fake?
	6:52pm JakeGould: I guess “Ohio Shankers” is not a good brand name.
	6:52pm COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada: FFS don't say "Alexa" on air!!
	6:52pm northguineahills: Have you ever heard Danish spoken? Makes Swedish sounds like the song of the nightingale.
	6:52pm Fragonard Chimielewski: Poeil!
	6:52pm Fragonard Chimielewski: Popeil
	6:52pm ultradamno: Tildes kick umlauts' asses.
	6:53pm coelacanth∅: nestlé, one of the worst chocolates in the world (as well as one of the sleaziest), is a swiss company, i believe.
	🤖 6:53pm chresti: A lot of cosmetics have fake French names (or French sounding )
	6:53pm JakeGould: Le Pen art pens are made in Japan and not France!!! Marvy Uchida!!!
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: And WFMU is now in Jersey City, not East Orange.
	6:53pm Sam: If you think au bon pain is actually a French chain you probably also think Taco Bell is actually from Mexico.
	6:54pm andrewb: How about "cornish game hens"
	6:54pm Fragonard Chimielewski: Pope Eel pocket fisherman...(wonder what you catch in your pocket?)
	6:54pm JakeGould: Long Island Iced Tea was actually invented on Long Island.
	🤖 6:55pm Folsom: Spinal Tap! Hello Cleveland! (can't make the umlaut n)
	6:55pm mrdonutsu: Frusen Glädjé - NEVER FORGET
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: Mahi Mahi is the Hawaiian name or porpoise (the fish, not the mammal) and Kiwi fruit is the marketing name for Chinese Gooseberries.
	6:55pm JakeGould: James Remar had a heroin habit!
	6:55pm coelacanth∅: ngh i used to be with a danish woman who was embarrassed to speak danish in my presence. i did hear it a few times though and i thought it was pretty cool sounding.
	6:56pm HuskLife: CCR is also a good example. Definitely not born on the Bayou, also from LA
	6:56pm Jeff Moore: I remember reading a couple of decades ago about how there was a major Nutria infestation in China... so the government wanted people to catch and eat them. "Giant weird ratlike thing" (or its translation) didn't seem like a menu winner, so they decreed that Nutria meat would be referred to as "Super Deer".
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: The most famed substitution is Plan 9 From Outer Space, where Bela Lugosi is replace with Ed Wood's chiropractor.
	6:56pm northguineahills: @coel: I had a Danish boss a while back, and every other Nordic country makes fun of the Danish language.
	6:57pm dale: fuzen gladje (SP!) was mad in an ice cream plant in dunkirk ny. i worked loading refrigerated semis for 3 days - it was all i could take.
	6:57pm JakeGould: SUPER DEER!!!
	6:57pm Fragonard Chimielewski: Great show!
	6:57pm st Joe: can you mention the name of the author and the book One More Time?
	6:57pm Jeff Moore: RIGHT?
	6:57pm northguineahills: Central Park North = Harlem... Thanks Mark and Rex!
	6:57pm JakeGould: @dale: Wow! Frusen Glädje trivia!!!
	6:58pm coelacanth∅: where does the term "ahi" tuna (another marketing ploy) come from?
	6:58pm queems: thanks mark!
	6:58pm JakeGould: GRAPE JUICE PLUS!!!
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: Rex, I see in your Wired article that you're from Napoleon. We Broncos wrestled against you Imperials in those days. My second cousin, Nick Storhaug, was the coach at our high school.
	6:58pm mrdonutsu: Conflict with Häagen-Dazs Another American ice cream producer, Häagen-Dazs, sued unsuccessfully in 1980 to stop Frusen Glädjé from using a "Scandinavian marketing theme", despite Häagen-Dazs not being remotely Scandinavian-sounding itself. Häagen-Dazs's complaints included Frusen Glädjé's "prominently displayed list of the product's natural ingredients, a list of artificial ingredients not found in the ice cream, directions for serving and eating the ice cream (essentially that it was best served soft), and a map of Scandinavia". The court ruled against Häagen-Dazs on the grounds of unclean hands, as Häagen-Dazs had similarly marketed itself as Scandinavian (specifically Danish) without having any real connection to the region.
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: There was lots of news this week!
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark & Rex!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks!
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: The Bathtubs people are lots of fun and long connected with WFMU (Irwin for instance).
	6:59pm coelacanth∅: ngh, it's a distinct possibility that my opinion of the sound of the language was influenced by my feeling toward this person.
	7:00pm coelacanth∅: (and the quality of her voice)
	7:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 7:01pm Webhamster Henry: I don't mind Danish, it takes me a while to hear it, like Dutch. I'm more used to Swedish and Norwegian.
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Have a great week.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 10, 2018

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December 10, 2018: Rex Sorgatz, author, "The Encyclopedia of Misinformation"

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This week: Rex Sorgatz, author of "The Encyclopedia of Misinformation."

• The Encyclopedia of Misinformation, published by Abrams

• Rex on Twitter: @fimoculous

• See also: Operation Infektion, NYT documentary series on Russian disinformation (i.e., 1980s AIDS hoax surfaced first in an Indian newspaper known to be fed pieces by the KGB... starting on a path eventually leading to Dan Rather).

• See also: John Podesta Is Ready to Talk About Pizzagate (Rolling Stone, Dec 9, 2018)

• The Internet Really Has Changed Everything. Here’s The Proof (by Rex Sorgatz, Wired, April 2016)

Recent News

• Taking notes from Zuck's high-five in hurricane-ravaged Puerto Rico, Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey is facing backlash for encouraging people to visit Myanmar, where social media may have helped fuel a mass genocide (today, Dec 10, Business Insider)... enthusing about his meditative stamina, his heartrate tracked on his Apple Watch (worn during meditation, naturally) - nothing about anything else that might be going on in Myanmar. Also: Kim-Mai Cutler writes: "I love that @jack did a 10-day Vipassana retreat and also his product and company are literally the most antithetical experience in the entire world to everything that Vipassana retreats stand for."

• British Member of Parliament publishes 250 pages of damning internal Facebook documents that had been sealed by a US court (Dec 5, Boing Boing): "They show Facebookers at the highest level -- up to CEO Mark Zuckerberg and COO Sheryl Sandberg -- conspiring to trick Android users about how much data was being gathered by an update to the Facebook app; to give certain companies 'whitelisted' access to user data beyond the access the company had disclosed to its users; to explicitly productize 'friends' data; to use a battery-monitor app to covertly gather data on which other apps users had installed; and anti-competitive targeting of partners' apps."

• "We will never sell your data" is definitely snappier than "we will never sell your data, but we might enter into commercial arrangements in which we swap your data for other things of value without explicitly telling you." -Nick Confessore

• Google reveals new security bug affecting more than 52 million users (today, Dec 10, Washington Post): "Google Plus could have allowed third-party apps and developers to gain access to 52 million users' personal information without their permission." The previous estimate was half a million (WSJ, Oct 8).

.....just in time for tomorrow's hearings, with Google CEO Sundar Pichai on the hot seat with the House Judiciary Committee ! (And the timing does serve Google well, as they need a relatively benign distraction right now).....

• Everything you need to know about Google’s controversial China plans in advance of Tuesday’s congressional hearing (today, Dec 10, Recode): "a growing area of concern from both the political left and right: Google’s previously secret plans to build a censored search engine in China." Project Dragonfly.

• Your Apps Know Where You Were Last Night, and They’re Not Keeping It Secret (today, Dec 10, NYT): Another blockbuster article from the Times, which will probably be as influential as Delay, Deny and Deflect (about Facebook malfeasance) from Nov 14. Excerpt:

[Someone] leaves a house in upstate New York at 7 a.m. and travels to a middle school 14 miles away, staying until late afternoon each school day. Only one person makes that trip: Lisa Magrin, a 46-year-old math teacher. Her smartphone goes with her.

An app on the device gathered her location information, which was then sold without her knowledge. It recorded her whereabouts as often as every two seconds, according to a database of more than a million phones in the New York area that was reviewed by The New York Times. While Ms. Magrin’s identity was not disclosed in those records, The Times was able to easily connect her to that dot.

The app tracked her as she went to a Weight Watchers meeting and to her dermatologist’s office for a minor procedure. It followed her hiking with her dog and staying at her ex-boyfriend’s home, information she found disturbing. . . .

The database reviewed by The Times — a sample of information gathered in 2017 and held by one company — reveals people’s travels in startling detail, accurate to within a few yards and in some cases updated more than 14,000 times a day.

The twist? That was just the database of one company. There are at least 75 such companies that maintain such surveillance databases. "These companies sell, use or analyze the data to cater to advertisers, retail outlets and even hedge funds seeking insights into consumer behavior..." Companies like IBM are heavily invested (IBM just bought the Weather Channel app for guess-what-purpose). Smaller players are, too, like Tell All Digital, a Long Island-based ad agency hired by personal-injury attorneys to send ads to people using their phones in emergency rooms.

...and Apple "recently shelved plans that industry insiders say would have significantly curtailed location collection."

Ready to throw away your iPhone or Android smartphone? Listen to my interview last week with my friend Brian, on how he did that. (Actually he returned his iPhone to the store. More environmentally friendly than throwing the iPhone away.)

Source: Robin Berjon's post, which is inside this thread about the NYT story.

• The Comprehensive Guide to Quitting Google, by Lifehacker (Nov 8). See also nomoregoogle.com and deletefacebook.com.

• Good security tips in the wake of the Marriott data breach (over half a billion people got hacked! your Starwood account number, your address, phone number, email address, passport number, dates and times of your reservations, and credit card information.)... these tips from Brian Krebs on Dec 1.

....and a closing thought......

• End the Innovation Obsession (Dec 7, NYT, by David Sax, our May 14 show guest): "This mind-set equates innovation exclusively with invention and implies that if you just buy the new thing, voilà! You have innovated! ... [But] reflective innovation requires courage, because it calls into question the assumption that newer is necessarily better."

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Listener comments!
	🤖 6:01pm Webhamster Henry: Hi Techdonkeys!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Hello Mark! Techaricators!
	6:01pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	6:01pm melinda: Hello all!
	🤖 6:01pm Bas NL: Mark! Techtonicuettes!
	6:02pm queems: helloooooo! time for my weekly panic attack
	6:02pm melinda: Techtarians!
	🤖 6:02pm chresti: Hi Mark and Technolators
	🤖 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park: Good evening, Techwads!
	6:04pm COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada: Herbert Hoover really would be awesome right about now.
	6:04pm Roland from Australia: Already to let Mark Hurst raise my blood pressure as he points out some of the bigger issues on the Internet which unfortunately almost everyone seems to be turning a blind eye towards. What are we going do about it! Start small with awareness and then it let grows into bigger things.
	🤖 6:04pm Bas NL: <<<<< That's a sad photo..
	6:05pm TDK60: How-do, you all.
	6:05pm Fredericks: Looks like alien mind control to me.
	6:05pm melinda: @queems I hear ya
	6:06pm Fragonard Chimielewski: I'm oscillating with excitement!
	6:07pm queems: oh boy!! lay it on me
	6:07pm dale: i'm having a techgin and techtonic.
	6:07pm northguineahills: @Henry: I prefer technodonkeys, which is now my new rave dance!
	6:07pm carrots: hey hey!!
	6:07pm sufferwords: los angeles is freaking out too- truth us
	6:07pm markinbrooklyn: Just waiting for you to go off on times app story!!!
	6:07pm Aitch: This show always scares me.
	6:07pm Colleen: Checking in.... yeah... this freaks me out!
	6:07pm Rich in Washington: @Bas NL: the missus and I went to one of those giant breakfast joints over the weekend and easily 80% of couples and families were wordlessly buried in their screens. Sad, indeed.
	6:09pm annie: i'm here but over on the other side of the room..
	6:09pm dale: is your city in storm meltdown annie?
	6:11pm ultradamno: Does the Apple watch calibrate religious experiences too?
	🤖 6:11pm Bas NL: Once had a BBQ with some twenty folks.. When eighteen were on their phone, my friend and i went inside to spin records.. two hours later one of the screens dropped in -screen in hand- and called us asocial. Go figure.
	6:12pm TDK60: I wonder if any American Buddhists have spoken out against the Burmese govt.'s Buddhist anti-Islamic bigotry. Hope so.
	6:12pm chris: hey, Mark and folks. that Brian Krebs article over there gives me indigestion. ugh.
	6:15pm TDK60: Ha! Bas; a screen zombie tellin' you that!
	6:15pm Fragonard Chimielewski: Scary sh*t
	6:16pm queems: what the hell WHAT THE HELL
	6:17pm northguineahills: I have my location ttracking turnedoff in the settings all the time. I know where I am all the time, (geographically, not mentally).
	🤖 6:18pm Bas NL: Google can enable GPS on your android phone remotely, without your knowledge.
	🤖 6:18pm Webhamster Henry: HIPAA's anonymizing rules try to protect agains abuses like that. If mass data is collected by zip code, and there aren't a lot of people in that zip code, they aggregate it with nearby codes until it reaches something like 50000 people.
	🤖 6:19pm Ken From Hyde Park: Sounds like we need an app that spoofs the location of the phone, sending fake data back to Google.
	6:19pm dale: hey! lisa's on fb and she's quite the world traveler. shouldn't the times give her a nom de plume?
	6:19pm COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada: This show is a great palate cleanse. So many smocking guns!
	6:20pm Beast of Boonton: modern ambulance chasing
	6:20pm northguineahills: I have my location also turned off on my wunderground app (I choose locations randomly around the world, mainly b/c I'm curious, and I like to create data noise).
	6:21pm mrdonutsu: IBM bought The Weather Company in 2015, fwiw.
	6:22pm Beast of Boonton: there are more advanced ways of disabling location data collection on the iphone too
	6:22pm kevlicki: TDK uses a flip phone
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: I must have the most stationary dot.
	6:23pm listener james from westwood: That NYT story reminded me of how we were able to trace overseas installations by following device data emanating from Afghanistan, etc. www.wired.com...
	6:24pm David in London: Saw Jaron Lanier lecture about this over the summer, and he was utterly scathing about it. He names it the BUMMER model, and covers it extensively in his recent book.
	6:24pm kevlicki: I want to get a faraday bag for my phone
	6:24pm TDK60: kevlicki: What's new up there?
	6:25pm EG_Astro: I would have never gotten a smartphone if my 160G ipod didn't die and that the newer ones weren't such hot garbage.
	6:26pm ultradamno: Or a Faraday hazmat suit
	6:26pm St Joe: you can't totally delete Facebook from Android it's a built-in app. you're only allowed to "disable" it
	6:26pm dale: i did in house communications materials for the ny power authority back in the late 80s. the indian point plant really was run like the plant in the simpsons.
	6:27pm dale: is ask jeeves still a thing?
	🤖 6:28pm Folsom: Links again don't open up in a new tab/window.
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: If you were John Oliver, you'd probably go out and buy one of those data sets and do some kind of joke like tracking trump.
	6:28pm Smokestack: Does having a VPN connection on your phone hide location tracking at all? Or do some apps just tap in to the GPS location?
	6:28pm queems: i miss lycos
	6:28pm BigCait: My fiancé (37) refused to get a SmartPhone and has been using a flip phone since we started dating 10 years ago. I thought he was insane. Now I think I am insane for having one. He is a professional with his own business and is surviving without this creepy appendage!
	6:30pm queems: do i have to delete my knot tying app too :(
	🤖 6:30pm Webhamster Henry: Location is done in a number of ways: one is GPS, which has nothing to do with cell or wifi, by wifi, which triangulates your position from the known positions and strengths of nearby wifi, and probably other ways that I don't know.
	6:30pm dale: my 83 year old mother in law was given an alexa by one of her sons and his wife for christmas. she can't work the microwave oven. what were they thinking?
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: Go with old Blackberries - your best defense is obsolescence!
	6:31pm coelacanth∅: hey Mark & techtosauruses
	🤖 6:32pm Webhamster Henry: That said, I released a new iPhone app last week... no social media involved!
	6:33pm Jeff Moore: I so want to build a Faraday cage around our TV/Movie watchin' room! (but not for privacy reasons, just to make it harder for people to multitask when we're supposed to be watching a piece of cinematic art, the proper enjoyment of which requires undivided attention and complete immersion)
	🤖 6:33pm Ken From Hyde Park: Huh...what part of N.D.? I'm from there. There was 60 in our class.
	6:33pm kevlicki: TDK60 on my way north from the brooklyn army terminal now
	6:34pm COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada: Google is the darkest of them all. I worked two years there. Past my NDA now, so I can tell you I was a spook. And you would not believe what they know.
	6:34pm coelacanth∅: i don't see how facadebook could be able to obtain any info on me besides people i'm "friends" with. i don't think they can.
	6:39pm JakeGould: Flip-phones can still be tracked in their own way. I also want to build a faraday cage for anon who doesn’t like “Back in the U.S.S.R.”
	6:40pm Beast of Boonton: Question for Rex: Do farmers back home use GPS and internet controls on their farming equipment?
	6:42pm JakeGould: James Remar was supposed to be in “Aliens” (1986) and some scenes were film with him, so when they completed the film Michael Biehn you can still see a few scenes of him from behind.
	6:42pm JakeGould: And what about Peter Cushing being digital revived for “Rogue One.”
	🤖 6:42pm Folsom: Farmers use GPS on the tractors, they can get centimeter accuracy.
	6:43pm JakeGould: @Folsom: But isn’t there a subculture of farmers who hack John Deere equipment to upgrade and adjust firmware so they can self-repair their tractors.
	6:44pm coelacanth∅: why do you call it a "she"? you're enabling that bullshit.
	6:45pm LilyAbigale: Just used Amazon to buy Rex's book. Is this literally irony?
	6:45pm JakeGould: @coelacantho: Because “it” is gendered as a “she.” en.wikipedia.org...
	6:46pm Sam: So a virtual character opened for Lady Gaga. Lady Gaga is already fake anyway.
	6:46pm JakeGould: @Sam: Exactly!!!!
	6:47pm Neal vega: I went to hatsune mikus concert in the city q few months ago and it was a completely different experience. I will never forget it
	6:48pm ultradamno: Patton Oswalt has a bit in his most recent stand up about robocalls that work in umms, ahs and a pretense of having made mistakes, etc.
	🤖 6:48pm Folsom: @JakeGould I think John Deere uses DMCA to get the license agreement that limits the self-repair to be legal
	6:49pm Jeff Moore: Haagen Dazs? NJ?
	6:49pm Travisano66: Guest, please tell us why a robot should be obligated to tell us that he/she is a robot. (I threw the pronouns in there just to mess with you, but it's a serious question.)
	6:49pm JakeGould: Frusen Glädje is more authentic.
	6:49pm JakeGould: And nobody drinks Foster in Australia.
	6:49pm Fragonard Chimielewski: Nestle
	6:50pm Jeff Moore: Ginsu: they come from TV.
	6:50pm TDK60: There really is such a thing as a hologram concert? Phewy!
	6:50pm queems: these children aren't french. they're american!
	6:50pm JakeGould: @Folsom: Check this out www.agriculture.com...
	6:50pm Travisano66: Poland Springs, comin' to ya straight from Maine!
	6:50pm ultradamno: en.wikipedia.org...
	6:51pm Jeff Moore: Isn't Montblanc German? Someplace in Yurp, but I don't think Fraunce. If not Germany, Switzerland?
	6:51pm Fragonard Chimielewski: I love uumlauts
	6:52pm JakeGould: Don’t tell me Bartles and Jaymes are fake?
	6:52pm JakeGould: I guess “Ohio Shankers” is not a good brand name.
	6:52pm COLINfromvictoriabritishcolumbiacanada: FFS don't say "Alexa" on air!!
	6:52pm northguineahills: Have you ever heard Danish spoken? Makes Swedish sounds like the song of the nightingale.
	6:52pm Fragonard Chimielewski: Poeil!
	6:52pm Fragonard Chimielewski: Popeil
	6:52pm ultradamno: Tildes kick umlauts' asses.
	6:53pm coelacanth∅: nestlé, one of the worst chocolates in the world (as well as one of the sleaziest), is a swiss company, i believe.
	🤖 6:53pm chresti: A lot of cosmetics have fake French names (or French sounding )
	6:53pm JakeGould: Le Pen art pens are made in Japan and not France!!! Marvy Uchida!!!
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: And WFMU is now in Jersey City, not East Orange.
	6:53pm Sam: If you think au bon pain is actually a French chain you probably also think Taco Bell is actually from Mexico.
	6:54pm andrewb: How about "cornish game hens"
	6:54pm Fragonard Chimielewski: Pope Eel pocket fisherman...(wonder what you catch in your pocket?)
	6:54pm JakeGould: Long Island Iced Tea was actually invented on Long Island.
	🤖 6:55pm Folsom: Spinal Tap! Hello Cleveland! (can't make the umlaut n)
	6:55pm mrdonutsu: Frusen Glädjé - NEVER FORGET
	🤖 6:55pm Webhamster Henry: Mahi Mahi is the Hawaiian name or porpoise (the fish, not the mammal) and Kiwi fruit is the marketing name for Chinese Gooseberries.
	6:55pm JakeGould: James Remar had a heroin habit!
	6:55pm coelacanth∅: ngh i used to be with a danish woman who was embarrassed to speak danish in my presence. i did hear it a few times though and i thought it was pretty cool sounding.
	6:56pm HuskLife: CCR is also a good example. Definitely not born on the Bayou, also from LA
	6:56pm Jeff Moore: I remember reading a couple of decades ago about how there was a major Nutria infestation in China... so the government wanted people to catch and eat them. "Giant weird ratlike thing" (or its translation) didn't seem like a menu winner, so they decreed that Nutria meat would be referred to as "Super Deer".
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: The most famed substitution is Plan 9 From Outer Space, where Bela Lugosi is replace with Ed Wood's chiropractor.
	6:56pm northguineahills: @coel: I had a Danish boss a while back, and every other Nordic country makes fun of the Danish language.
	6:57pm dale: fuzen gladje (SP!) was mad in an ice cream plant in dunkirk ny. i worked loading refrigerated semis for 3 days - it was all i could take.
	6:57pm JakeGould: SUPER DEER!!!
	6:57pm Fragonard Chimielewski: Great show!
	6:57pm st Joe: can you mention the name of the author and the book One More Time?
	6:57pm Jeff Moore: RIGHT?
	6:57pm northguineahills: Central Park North = Harlem... Thanks Mark and Rex!
	6:57pm JakeGould: @dale: Wow! Frusen Glädje trivia!!!
	6:58pm coelacanth∅: where does the term "ahi" tuna (another marketing ploy) come from?
	6:58pm queems: thanks mark!
	6:58pm JakeGould: GRAPE JUICE PLUS!!!
	🤖 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park: Rex, I see in your Wired article that you're from Napoleon. We Broncos wrestled against you Imperials in those days. My second cousin, Nick Storhaug, was the coach at our high school.
	6:58pm mrdonutsu: Conflict with Häagen-Dazs Another American ice cream producer, Häagen-Dazs, sued unsuccessfully in 1980 to stop Frusen Glädjé from using a "Scandinavian marketing theme", despite Häagen-Dazs not being remotely Scandinavian-sounding itself. Häagen-Dazs's complaints included Frusen Glädjé's "prominently displayed list of the product's natural ingredients, a list of artificial ingredients not found in the ice cream, directions for serving and eating the ice cream (essentially that it was best served soft), and a map of Scandinavia". The court ruled against Häagen-Dazs on the grounds of unclean hands, as Häagen-Dazs had similarly marketed itself as Scandinavian (specifically Danish) without having any real connection to the region.
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: There was lots of news this week!
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark & Rex!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks!
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: The Bathtubs people are lots of fun and long connected with WFMU (Irwin for instance).
	6:59pm coelacanth∅: ngh, it's a distinct possibility that my opinion of the sound of the language was influenced by my feeling toward this person.
	7:00pm coelacanth∅: (and the quality of her voice)
	7:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 7:01pm Webhamster Henry: I don't mind Danish, it takes me a while to hear it, like Dutch. I'm more used to Swedish and Norwegian.
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Have a great week.

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