WFMU: destination: OUT with Jeff Golick: Playlist from April 21, 2024

Listener comments!
	🥁 9:00am hyde: helllooooooo
	9:01am listener james from westwood: Morning, Jeff and all!
	9:01am Jeff Golick: Hi-de-hi-de-hi-de-hyde!
	9:01am DJ Peter via app: G’morn
	🥁 9:01am tom tom the pipers son: good morning jeff and listeners....
	9:01am Jeff Golick: Wassup, listener james from westwood the bestwood!
	🥁 9:01am Yvang: Hi Jeff and D O ers out there!
	🥁 9:01am NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA: Good Morning Jeff, Good Morning Outronauts!
	9:01am iko: Peace
	9:02am Jeff Golick: DJ Peter! tom tom the piper son! Yvang! NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA! iko! A real who's who! Welcome.
	9:04am Listener Gregory: Good morning, fellow Muggles.
	9:05am listener james from westwood: War protests at Columbia?! What next—a Democratic National Committee convention in Chicago? :: is handed a telex:: Well, I'll be!
	🥁 9:06am doctorjazz: Hi Jeff, Outies!
	9:06am StringOFperils: This just in! Students occupying a university pose a threat!
	9:07am Jeff Golick: doctorjazz! Hello! StringOFperils! Crazy!
	9:07am Stork: ↳ Song: "Go Down Moses" by "Grant Green" Such a fine record! Herbie compin' sweet! Morning, Outsies!!
	9:07am Jeff Golick: ↳ listener james from westwood @9:05 It's 1968 all over again. With AI!
	9:08am StringOFperils: If ya can't beat 'em, simulacrum.
	9:08am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @9:07 Ah, Stork! I kinda love Herbie in soul jazz comping mode, even though he probably was eager to get well beyond it.
	9:09am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Go Down Moses" by "Grant Green" Also, Billy Higgins is just the smoothest. I would follow him anywhere.
	9:11am Stork: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:08 I like hearing GG comp, too - it's about the only time he plays chords.
	9:11am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Go Down Moses" by "Grant Green" In case you're wondering, Garvin Masseaux is credited with tambourine.
	9:12am Jeff Golick: ↳ StringOFperils @9:08 Let's be careful about what we ask chatGPT for.
	🥁 9:12am Listener Gregory: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:11 Shake that thing!
	🥁 9:15am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Wholy Moses" by "Bob Moses" Keith Jarrett on soprano?
	🥁 9:15am hyde: my screwup of the year: apparently Wadada Leo Smith debuted his new work at Harvard last night. and the Flux QUartet opened. and it was FREE. and i didn't know about it until it was too late to go ;(
	9:16am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @9:15 Apparently!
	🥁 9:17am DJ Peter: ↳ hyde @9:15 Free free performances are not well publicized, alas.
	9:17am Stork: ↳ Song: "Wholy Moses" by "Bob Moses" Is it Moses' birthday? (the guy on the Holy Mount, not the drummer currently playing)?
	🥁 9:17am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ Good ⦿Sunday FMUvianz ~
	9:18am StringOFperils: It's Moses' birthday? Shouldn't we be listening to a reed section?
	9:18am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @9:15 My life is filled with these sorts of realizations.
	9:18am Jeff Golick: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @9:17 Good morning, Revolution Rabbit Nov63!
	🥁 9:19am hyde: ↳ DJ Peter @9:17 exactly! i'm even on the Harvard arts/music email list and they never mentioned it. i only heard about it from the jazz calendar on REsearch and Development when i was listening to the Monday show yesterday afternoon
	9:19am Jeff Golick: ↳ StringOFperils @9:18 You are en fuego today, StringOFperils.
	9:19am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @9:17 Just in an exodus-y frame of mind, I guess.
	🥁 9:21am WR: ↳ DJ Peter @9:15 Apparently Moses was letting whoever showed up do whatever on that session. via discogs: Acoustic Bass, Electric Bass – Steve Swallow Bass – Larry Coryell (tracks: 5) Drums – Bob Moses Guitar, Vocals – Larry Coryell Piano – Keith Jarrett (tracks: 3) Recorded By – David Baker Soprano Saxophone – Keith Jarrett (tracks: 1, 6) Tenor Saxophone – Jim Pepper
	9:22am Stork: ↳ Song: "Milky Way Moses" by "Tasavallan Presidentti" Stanky guitar!
	🥁 9:22am DJ Peter: ↳ WR @9:21 like you can tell Jarrett what to do
	9:22am Jeff Golick: ↳ WR @9:21 Yeah, wacky. Hello, WR!
	9:23am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @9:22 Finnish giant Jukka Tolonen, I think.
	9:24am Jeff Golick: Some odd credits on the next item, too... #foreshadowing
	9:30am Erik/VT: Despite hearing my older sisters’ albums of Roberta Flack as a kid - I wasn’t fully aware how funky & groovy & significant her earliest recordings were and remain! 👏🙌👏
	9:32am Listener Gregory: I understand that a double-helping of cicadas is due this summer. Jeff, do you have any other plagues planned for us? Please keep the regular listeners informed.
	9:32am Jeff Golick: ↳ Erik/VT @9:30 Erik/VT, hello! Sometimes hard to hear past the hits, for sure.
	🥁 9:35am doctorjazz: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:32 Hey LG, any concerts coming up?
	9:35am StringOFperils: What a beautiful racket
	9:36am Doug Schulkind: Count? Me in!
	🥁 9:37am Listener Gregory: ↳ doctorjazz @9:35 Not on the schedule yet. The Massachusetts people have some coming up, but they're a bit distant, so I haven't decided yet.
	9:39am Jeff Golick: ↳ Doug Schulkind @9:36 Count bats 1.000 - howdy, D. Schulkind!
	9:40am StringOFperils: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:32 www.bbc.com...
	9:40am Sem: Good morning, Jeff, and hello. Greets, those identifying at Outies, and those in the outfield.
	9:41am Uncle Michael: Good morning.
	9:42am Jeff Golick: ↳ Sem @9:40 Now starting, Sem!
	9:42am Jeff Golick: ↳ Uncle Michael @9:41 Aloha, Uncle Michael!
	9:42am Uncle Michael: Oh, crap. I forgot to bloody my doorpost.
	9:43am Sem: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:42 Baseball on my mind, started The Chosen last night for the xth time.
	🥁 9:43am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Go Down Moses" by "Charlie Haden & Hank Jones" Love this track /album!
	9:46am Jeff Golick: ↳ Uncle Michael @9:42 That's gonna cost ya...
	9:47am StringOFperils: I'd hoped this was a smote-free zone
	9:47am Jeff Golick: ↳ StringOFperils @9:47 There will be no smiting here! Not even a smidge of smiting.
	🥁 9:48am doctorjazz: ↳ Uncle Michael @9:42 If you've got a lamb handy, it's not too late (and you can have lamb chops for dinner)
	9:48am Listener Gregory: We need Charlie Haden more than ever.
	9:49am Stork: Another great version of this tune by Archie Shepp and Jason Moran archieshepp.bandcamp.com...
	🥁 9:52am doctorjazz: Sorry to hear about Michael Cuscuna, also learned much from his music releaes (Mosaic and other reissues he was involved in).
	9:57am Stork: DJ Peter also has an Earth Day-related set planned - 7-9 pm EDT today
	9:57am Stork: Also - a call-back to the Moses set - couldn't resist: www.youtube.com...
	🥁 10:02am Listener Gregory: ↳ StringOFperils @9:40 Cicadas are by far the most nutritious plague.
	10:02am mic_a: Hello and best wishes, Jeff and Outsies! I remember the first Earth Day. My grade school class took a walking field trip 4 blocks north to pick up trash in a vacant lot.
	10:02am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @9:57 Yes! Thank you for remembering! Earth Day doings at The Laughing Clock today, too.
	🥁 10:05am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Please Help, Please Give" by "Kirk Knuffke" I was ery. curious who played the wild guitar here- Clarinet, Guitar – Doug Wieselman Drums – Kenny Wollesen (Haven't seen Wieselman credited on guitar before)
	10:05am Jeff Golick: ↳ mic_a @10:02 Thanks and hello, mic_a! Thanks for greening up the place.
	10:05am fred: Good morning Jeff and all
	🥁 10:06am chresti: Morning Jeff and d'OUTers!
	🥁 10:06am DJ Peter: May have to trim the Earth Day set a bit for Michael Cuscuna! ("Cannot do everything... cannot do everything..." a mantra oft repeated at WFMU and yet also kinda encouraged to try?)
	🥁 10:08am Listener Gregory: ↳ doctorjazz @10:05 He uses a reed instead of a pick!
	10:09am Jeff Golick: fred! chresti! Great to see you.
	10:11am Doug Schulkind: Great Steve Lacy cover here!
	🥁 10:13am doctorjazz: Haven't seen Knuffke as a leader-have seen him in other's groups (Boom Tic Boom comes to mind).
	10:15am Jeff Golick: ↳ Doug Schulkind @10:11 Yah! Ideal Bread was a Lacy repertory band.
	10:16am fred: Power was cut off for a few hours, 2 weeks ago it was water... I'm surrounded by trenches and that will go on for months
	10:16am Jeff Golick: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:15 There's a Lacy quote about bread that the group is named after. Can someone find what it is?
	🥁 10:16am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Take me to the spring" by "Kirk Knuffke / Joe McP... Nice artwork.
	10:16am Jeff Golick: ↳ fred @10:16 Ayiyi, fred. Is that pre-Olympics stuff or just the "usual." Anyway, sorry to hear!
	🥁 10:17am DJ Peter: "Like a baker makes his bread, I make music. If I make the same bread tomorrow, that bores me. I have to remake it; I have to do better. I'm always looking for... the ideal bread." --Steve Lacy, April 1976 www.npr.org...
	10:18am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @10:17 THANK YOUUUUU!
	🥁 10:19am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @10:17 Ya beat me, was about to post that....
	🥁 10:21am chresti: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:16 Impasto spin art!
	🥁 10:21am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @10:19 That's why they pay me the negative bucks
	10:22am fred: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:16 It's Olympics related in that there's a lot of money going to infrastructure works. The real Olympics hell will be coming soon, many people I know plan to leave the area
	🥁 10:22am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @10:21 Worth every penny, I'd double it!
	🥁 10:23am Listener Gregory: Culture report: I took the trek across the state to see the exhibit at Bennington College, "Milford Graves: A Mind-Body Deal." It was moderately interesting, with a lot of drawings and sculptural conglomerations of his. There were also albums and a few taped performances. They had one of the original hand-painted covers to his famous Yale concert with Don Pullen, which was nice. There were a few chances to actually hear his music, though I would have liked more. One of the most promising ones was not recorded well (him in his basement with Charles Gayle and William Parker), but others were well done. I wasn't that interested in his work on movement or the heart beat (sic), but for those who have a connection to his work in some way, it's worth checking out. You can see his painted drums and hand-made performance outfits too. Only one week more!
	🥁 10:25am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @10:22 LOL
	🥁 10:26am chresti: ↳ fred @10:22 LA's turn is next, I think
	10:26am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:23 Thank you for that scene report, culture reporter Listener Gregory! Re Graves, there is VERY interesting-looking archival release coming soon with some Graves 1991 action: milfordgraves-blackeditionsarchive.bandcamp.com...
	🥁 10:28am Listener Gregory: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:26 The most frustrating part of the exhibit for me was seeing that trio play in the basement (on tape), watching Parker furiously strumming his bass, and not hearing a note of his.
	🥁 10:30am doctorjazz: Knuffke plays cornet (which from my understanding is slightly mellower sounding than a trumpet, though, honestly, I couldn't generally pick that out). Of course, early Satch was cornet, nothing mellow about that sound...
	🥁 10:32am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Carbondale" by "Kirk Knuffke \| Ben Goldberg" Cool Duo (like most everything of Goldberg's I've heard)
	🥁 10:34am hyde: ↳ Song: "Carbondale" by "Kirk Knuffke \| Ben Goldberg" this cover looks like the (deadly) monkey bars at my grade school
	10:34am fred: I only have one show scheduled next week (hip-hop dance), and on the same day there's a gig I'd like to see. Currently scheming how to get from one to the other despite the many Olympic closures
	🥁 10:34am DJ Peter: You could hear the difference if a horn player took the same approach (embouchure, projection of wind) to both instruments... but of course jazzbos are adding other variables and not striving for a pure sound but a vocal sound (generalization). The difference is cornet (and euphonium) are "conical bore" while trumpet (and baritone horn) are "cylindrical bore" (conical meaning from mouth piece to horn the tube is constantly enlarging). Bore! That's me.
	10:34am Stork: ↳ doctorjazz @10:32 what doc said
	🥁 10:36am Listener Gregory: I feel very strongly that I can tell the difference between a cornet and trumpet. However, when I actually check out my intuition, it is often not correct. But still, I know the difference, I promise you.
	10:39am fred: ↳ DJ Peter @10:34 You do put me to sleep. But that's because your show starts at 1 am for me. I stayed up for your first marathon, but I can't do that every week
	🥁 10:40am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @10:34 Yeah (not boring), knew about the shape of the tube difference, and Knuffke obviously feels there's difference enough to make cornet his main instrument. From his bio... Discussing the cornet, his preferred instrument, Knuffke has said: “The way the air moves through the cornet is more open and spills out everywhere, which makes it easier for me to be dynamic and expressive. Bending notes around comes easier on cornet, whereas trumpet is more focused and direct.”
	🥁 10:41am doctorjazz: Cool Birthday celebration/set, Jeff!
	🥁 10:41am DJ Peter: ↳ fred @10:39 LOL... yawn
	10:44am fred: ↳ DJ Peter @10:41 Archives are a wonderful thing
	🥁 10:46am doctorjazz: In the middle of the archive of last night's David Mittleman tribute to Herbie Nichols (the trouble with archives is that you have to find time to listen when there isn't a live WFMU show you want to hear...)
	10:47am Josh: Uncompahgre is a national forest in Colorado
	🥁 10:47am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "And Now the Queen" by "Kirk Knuffke \| Jesse Stack... Allusion to Rites of Spring??? (opening phrase)
	10:47am Jeff Golick: ↳ Josh @10:47 Thank you, Josh! (Care to suggest how one says that?)
	🥁 10:47am doctorjazz: I heard the Music for a Free Works show when it wa first broadcast, was a good'un indeed!
	10:48am Jeff Golick: Here's that Dave Sewelson show with Kirk Knuffke as guest: www.wfmu.org...
	10:48am Josh: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:47 We say “un come pay gray.”
	10:49am Jeff Golick: ↳ Josh @10:48 Fantastic. You are hired.
	10:49am Stork: Thanks for the fine schoolin' on Knuffke today, Jeff. Loving this Kenny Wolleson collab. Did Kenny just quote La Vie En Rose for a second?
	10:49am Josh: ↳ Josh @10:48 Sorry “un come pah gray” autocorrect
	🥁 10:52am Listener Gregory: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:47 Or did Jeff say that in his intro, and I was looking at squirrels?
	10:53am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:52 I did not say that!
	10:55am Andrew in Toronto: Good morning, Jeff, and all other listeners!
	10:56am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Stork @10:49 Good afternoon, Stork.
	10:57am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ hyde @9:00 hi there, hyde.
	10:58am mackeral: ↳ Stork @9:49 I'm gonna check this out. Love the sprirituals duos
	10:58am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Yvang @9:01 Hiya, Yvang!
	10:58am Jeff Golick: Andrew in Toronto, hello! Hey there, mackeral!
	🥁 11:00am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:47 Never noticed that before but you are right, they are very close
	11:00am iko: Time for work - thanks for a great one ✨✨✨
	🥁 11:01am hyde: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @10:57 hey AiT
	11:01am Jeff Golick: ↳ iko @11:00 Thanks for being here and checking in, iko! Take care.
	🥁 11:02am DJ Peter: Art Lange's blog: "Nor is it surprising that, as far as I can tell, The Rite of Spring has been quoted, borrowed, excerpted, inflated, revised, and reconstructed by jazz musicians more than any other single classical work – not surprising because it is the Citizen Kane, the Guernica, the Ulysses, of 20th century music: powerful, path-breaking, profound. But it’s ironic that the greater and more recognizable the original, the harder it is for an adaptation to succeed on its own merits. Moreover, it’s doubly ironic that despite the overwhelming effect of the full score, the essence of The Rite of Spring seems to be prefigured in its opening bassoon melody – indeed, its first eight unaccompanied notes. More than a hundred years after it was written, that indelible, immediately recognizable phrase is all that’s necessary to evoke a broad canvas of colors, movement, emotions. Which is why so many jazz artists have used it, either as the thematic foundation of a new piece, a symbolic reference, or a fragrant wisp of high culture. Paul Desmond’s “Sacre Blues,” Ornette Coleman’s “Sleep Talk,” Carla Bley’s “And Now the Queen,” and Peter Erskine/Marty Krystall/Buell Neidlinger’s “I Go(rs) Blue(s)” quickly come to mind; the list goes on." www.pointofdeparture.org...
	🥁 11:03am Mxter Baba: greetings, Jeff and folx! sounding lively in the stream
	🥁 11:03am DJ Peter: ↳ DJ Peter @11:02 The Ornette is also one that really affects me -- brings me to tears -- and yet I missed its similarity to Stravinsky.
	🥁 11:04am DJ Peter: ↳ DJ Peter @11:03 OFC the thing that brings me to tears is not the notes but Ornette's sound
	11:04am Jeff Golick: ↳ Mxter Baba @11:03 Warm greetings, Mxter Baba!
	11:05am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @11:02 Thanks for sharing the Lange on Rite right here, DJ Peter!
	11:05am ?: ↳ Mxter Baba @11:03 Good morning, Mxter Baba, from the right coast.
	🥁 11:06am Doug Schulkind: If Worlde was seven words and allowed proper names, Knuffke would be a streak killer.
	11:06am Sem: ? is me.
	🥁 11:06am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Pee Wee's Blues" by "Kirk Knuffke" Love this tune!
	11:07am fred: ↳ DJ Peter @11:02 The soundtrack to Conan the barbarian bites Rite of Spring a lot. I know this because I only heard the original later, and was shocked at how blatant it was
	🥁 11:07am Listener Gregory: ↳ DJ Peter @11:02 Good find! More recently, Sylvie Courvoisier put out a very good two-piano record. The first part was Stravinsky's piano reduction of his piece. (His estate prevented her from recording her own, since this version already existed.) Then she provides a new composition "inspired by" the Stravinsky.
	11:12am fred: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:07 Estates are often crap. Joyce readings being blocked on Bloomsday, Niki de Saint Phalle's delaying renovation of her works, the list goes on
	🥁 11:25am Listener Gregory: ↳ fred @11:12 Yes, not clear why one piano reduction should preclude the composition of another one... except for financial reasons, of course. No one expects that a composer's performance of a work precludes a different performer doing it, perhaps with a different interpretation.
	🥁 11:26am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Thanks a Lot" by "Kirk Knuffke" Ernest Tubbs an underused composer in the jazz canon.
	11:27am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:26 ::thumbs up emoji::
	11:28am ?: LG @11:25 Public performance and derivative works are two different things. The right to create derivative works belongs to the copyright holder, at least in the USA. https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.pdf
	11:29am ?=Dean: on derivative works^
	🥁 11:29am Listener Gregory: ↳ @11:28 Yes. When I said it wasn't clear why, I meant conceptually, not legally. You could really mess up a work in performance, but the composer can't do much about it (though some have tried). (I recognized you, ?!)
	11:30am Jeff Golick: Dean!
	11:32am Dean: I suppose the concept at play, for better or worse, is a kind of fairness. If you write a successful novel and without your permission I make a popular movie based on it, something is unfair.
	🥁 11:35am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @11:32 Yes, though in this case it would be if you wanted to make a film of my novel after I had done so, and my estate denied you permission, because my film already existed. Courvoisier obviously tried to get permission first, and I imagine that royalties would have been arranged if they agreed. Well, the resulting record is still pretty good.
	11:38am fred: ↳ Dean @11:32 That's a fair position. But when heirs block needed renovation of a public work (the fountain didn't work anymore) to get paid, then block announcement of the reopening until they get paid some more, that's pure entitled greed (I'm referring to Niki de Saint Phalle)
	11:38am bobob plasticland: 91 yrs ago Ian Carr was born in Scotland RIP & 82 yrs ago Alan Skidmore was brn n london
	🥁 11:38am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Don't Send Me No Flowers" by "Sonny Boy Williamson" Not the usual blues changes I'd expect from Sonny Boy, very Gospel. Likely the other players' influence.
	11:39am Jeff Golick: Hey, bobob plasticland! Thanks for that. Ian Carr's birthday today, too? Dang.
	🥁 11:42am NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA: ↳ Song: "Nature Boy" by "Alan Skidmore with Radio-Philharm... Oh gosh, chills
	11:42am Dean: That's what seeking permission is about, though. There's a risk it will be denied. And in the US, at least, the risks of violating the right without permission can be quite serious. It's an odd balancing act, inasmuch as we claim to want to provide incentives for artists to create for the public good (your novel, the rights for which you can pass on to your heirs). But still more creativity (my movie that adapts your novel) is prohibited. Presumably, the calculation is that you would not have published the novel (so, less public good) at least until you had already created the movie, too.
	11:44am Jeff Golick: ↳ Dean @11:42 Copyright law in the US, in recent decades, has been all about corporations securing IP for generations, rather than trying to balance public good vs. heirs' interests.
	🥁 11:45am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Psalm" by "Alan Skidmore Quartet" Cool version!
	🥁 11:46am Listener Gregory: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:44 Word! The original copyright laws were reasonable. Now they're crafted by Disney and funnel money to people who are far removed from the actual creators.
	11:47am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:39 What a wonderful episode! Thanks, Jeff!
	11:48am Dean: Anyway, nowadays artists have opportunities not to be so greedy if they choose. True, Jeff G., and fuck Disney. I still think Eldred was Larry Lessig's to lose, but that's easy for an armchair attorney to say. In your formula, "heirs' interests" is a proxy for "incentive," supposedly. My retort to that is: If you need an incentive to create, then I'm not interested. But of course that's baloney, too. Was it Samuel Johnson who said only a fool writes for anything other than money?
	11:49am Jeff Golick: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @11:47 Thanks for being here, Andrew in Toronto!
	🥁 11:51am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @11:48 I believe it was "blockhead." However, his work is out of copyright, so you may modify it at will!
	11:51am Dean: Heh, yep. But still, limited paraphrase is fair use.
	11:51am bobob fabtriplasticland: No prob Jeff ..I happened to be writing Alan Skidmore down as you said it ..esp...and two sec before I wrote down Ian Carr ..says they were both in Centipede ...good show
	11:53am fred: ↳ Dean @11:51 I like your take on this
	11:54am Dean: Speaking of derivative works, I'm thinking about writing a book to complement Georges Perec's A Void (i.e., the English translation). It will consist only of the letter "e." I'm having a hard time getting started.
	11:54am Jeff Golick: Where will you be at the top of the hour? Join the cool kids over at The Stork Club, whydontcha: wfmu.org...
	11:54am Jeff Golick: ↳ Dean @11:54 Maybe you need to buy a vowel.
	11:55am Dean: Oh, sure, and then I'll be contacted by attorneys for Wheel of Fortune!
	🥁 11:56am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @11:54 It will complement it in the logical sense of the word: No overlap. I would buy it.
	🥁 11:56am NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA: Thanks for keeping me and my coworkers company here at the pharmacy today, Jeff, see you next week!
	🥁 11:57am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Can't you see (me)" by "Amalie Dahl's Dafnie" Where did you find this one, Jeff? Not too shabby!
	🥁 11:57am hyde: thanks!
	🥁 11:57am doctorjazz: Loved the show, thanks Jeff! (gotta start preparing for the upcomming Seder, shudda been farther along by now, OY!)
	🥁 11:58am Doug Schulkind: Thankssomuch, Jeff!
	11:58am listener james from westwood: Many thanks, Jeff!
	11:58am Sem: All jazzed up for the rest of the day, TY, Jeff. See you and the jazzbo contingent here same time, same station. Laters.
	🥁 11:59am Listener Gregory: Good Pesach, everyone. Thanks a lot, Jeff.
	🥁 11:59am Yvang: Thanks Jeff! This was nice!
	🥁 12:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...in that place of didn't sleep enuff & not sure whether to try & sleep more in daylight - or get yer weary self up ...can't think of anything better to alleviate such a purgatory than this Program. ~ TY Always DJ JeffG ~
	12:02pm Jeff Golick: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @12:00 Ah yes, the inbetween zone, I know it well. Hope you emerge from purgatory, RRN63! Same for all of us, I suppose. Take care, everyone!
	🥁 12:06pm chresti: Thanks Jeff!

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April 21, 2024: Can't you see (Knuffke, Skidmore)

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Approx. start time
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble	Tatas-Matoes	Congliptious	Nessa	1968	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun Ra	The Perfect Man "The Perfect Man" by "Sun Ra"	My Brother The Wind, Vol. I	Saturn Research	1970	0:02:30 (Pop-up)
Grant Green	Go Down Moses "Go Down Moses" by "Grant Green"	Feelin' the Spirit	Blue Note	1963	0:05:14 (Pop-up)
Bob Moses	Wholy Moses "Wholy Moses" by "Bob Moses"	Love Animal	Amulet	1968	0:13:32 (Pop-up)
Tasavallan Presidentti	Milky Way Moses	Milky Way Moses	Love Records	1974	0:16:55 (Pop-up)
Roberta Flack	Go Up Moses "Go Up Moses" by "Roberta Flack"	Quiet Fire	Atlantic	1971	0:24:45 (Pop-up)
Carlton & the Shoes	Send Us Moses	This Heart of Mine	Quality	1982	0:29:56 (Pop-up)
The Mello-Cat, Count Ossie & His Warickers	Another Moses	Studio One: Jump Up - The Birth of a Sound: Jump-Up Jamaican R&B	Soul Jazz/Studio One	??/2015	0:33:56 (Pop-up)
Florian Fricke	Moses "Moses" by "Florian Fricke"	Kailash: Pilgrimage to the Throne of Gods / Piano Recordings	Soul Jazz	??/2015	0:38:00 (Pop-up)
Charlie Haden & Hank Jones	Go Down Moses	Steal Away (Spirituals, Hymns and Folk Songs)	Verve	1995	0:42:17 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Booker T. & The MGs	Melting Pot "Melting Pot" by "Booker T. & The MGs"				0:48:37 (Pop-up)
Happy birthday, Kirk Knuffke! "Happy birthday, Kirk Knuffke!"
Mary Halvorson, Kirk Knuffke, Matt Wilson	Free Jazz Economics	Sifter	Relative Pitch Records	2013	0:56:17 (Pop-up)
Kirk Knuffke	Please Help, Please Give	Amnesia Brown	Clean Feed	2010	1:00:52 (Pop-up)
Bizingas	Hawaii "Hawaii" by "Bizingas"	Eggs Up High	NCM East	2015	1:04:05 (Pop-up)
Ideal Bread	The Uh Uh Uh "The Uh Uh Uh" by "Ideal Bread"	The Ideal Bread	KMB Jazz	2007	1:07:38 (Pop-up)
Kirk Knuffke / Joe McPhee Quartet + 1	Take me to the spring	Keep the Dream Up	Fundacja Słuchaj	2024	1:13:19 (Pop-up)
Max Johnson Trio	Blips and Bloops	Something Familiar	Unbroken Sounds	2015	1:14:51 (Pop-up)
Andy Biskin Ibid	Whirligig "Whirligig" by "Andy Biskin Ibid"	Act Necessary	Strudelmedia	2014	1:17:57 (Pop-up)
Kirk Knuffke	Lamplighter "Lamplighter" by "Kirk Knuffke"	Lamplighter	Fresh Sound New Talent	2015	1:25:13 (Pop-up)
Kirk Knuffke \| Ben Goldberg	Carbondale	Uncompahgre	Relative Pitch Records	2018	1:30:53 (Pop-up)
Kirk Knuffke Trio	Time Is Another River	Gravity Without Airs	TAO Forms	2022	1:34:38 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Mouse on Mars	Fantastic Analysis "Fantastic Analysis" by "Mouse on Mars"				1:40:47 (Pop-up)
Kirk Knuffke \| Jesse Stacken with Kenny Wollesen	And Now the Queen	Like a Tree	SteepleChase	2011	1:46:23 (Pop-up)
Michael Bisio \| Kirk Knuffke	Drago	Row for William O.	Relative Pitch Records	2016	1:51:52 (Pop-up)
Bisio / Knuffke / Lonberg-Holm	Agnus Dei	Requiem for a New York Slice	Iluso Records	2018	1:56:07 (Pop-up)
Kirk Knuffke	Pee Wee's Blues "Pee Wee's Blues" by "Kirk Knuffke"	Tight Like This	SteepleChase	2020	2:03:28 (Pop-up)
Kirk Knuffke & Mike Pride	Goldie "Goldie" by "Kirk Knuffke & Mike Pride"	The Exterminating Angel	Not Two Records	2012	2:09:03 (Pop-up)
Whit Dickey \| Kirk Knuffke	Weave 1	Drone Dream	NoBusiness Records	2019	2:11:09 (Pop-up)
Kirk Knuffke	Song in D "Song in D" by "Kirk Knuffke"	Cherryco	SteepleChase	2017	2:17:11 (Pop-up)
Kirk Knuffke	Thanks a Lot "Thanks a Lot" by "Kirk Knuffke"	Arms & Hands	The Royal Potato Family	2015	2:24:52 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Jackie Mittoo	Sunshine of Your Love				2:30:51 (Pop-up)
Happy birthday, Alan Skidmore! "Happy birthday, Alan Skidmore!"
Sonny Boy Williamson	Don't Send Me No Flowers	Don't Send Me No Flowers	Marmalade	1968	2:33:38 (Pop-up)
Alan Skidmore with Radio-Philharmonie Hannover des NDR	Nature Boy	A Supreme Love	Confront Recordings	1989/2023	2:38:12 (Pop-up)
Alan Skidmore Quartet	Psalm "Psalm" by "Alan Skidmore Quartet"	A Supreme Love	Confront Recordings	2019/2023	2:43:18 (Pop-up)
Amalie Dahl's Dafnie	Can't you see (me)	Står Op Med Solen	Aguirre Records	2024	2:52:11 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Dudu Pukwana & Spear	Flute Music "Flute Music" by "Dudu Pukwana & Spear"	Flute Music	Caroline	1975	2:57:12 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🥁 9:00am hyde: helllooooooo
	9:01am listener james from westwood: Morning, Jeff and all!
	9:01am Jeff Golick: Hi-de-hi-de-hi-de-hyde!
	9:01am DJ Peter via app: G’morn
	🥁 9:01am tom tom the pipers son: good morning jeff and listeners....
	9:01am Jeff Golick: Wassup, listener james from westwood the bestwood!
	🥁 9:01am Yvang: Hi Jeff and D O ers out there!
	🥁 9:01am NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA: Good Morning Jeff, Good Morning Outronauts!
	9:01am iko: Peace
	9:02am Jeff Golick: DJ Peter! tom tom the piper son! Yvang! NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA! iko! A real who's who! Welcome.
	9:04am Listener Gregory: Good morning, fellow Muggles.
	9:05am listener james from westwood: War protests at Columbia?! What next—a Democratic National Committee convention in Chicago? :: is handed a telex:: Well, I'll be!
	🥁 9:06am doctorjazz: Hi Jeff, Outies!
	9:06am StringOFperils: This just in! Students occupying a university pose a threat!
	9:07am Jeff Golick: doctorjazz! Hello! StringOFperils! Crazy!
	9:07am Stork: ↳ Song: "Go Down Moses" by "Grant Green" Such a fine record! Herbie compin' sweet! Morning, Outsies!!
	9:07am Jeff Golick: ↳ listener james from westwood @9:05 It's 1968 all over again. With AI!
	9:08am StringOFperils: If ya can't beat 'em, simulacrum.
	9:08am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @9:07 Ah, Stork! I kinda love Herbie in soul jazz comping mode, even though he probably was eager to get well beyond it.
	9:09am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Go Down Moses" by "Grant Green" Also, Billy Higgins is just the smoothest. I would follow him anywhere.
	9:11am Stork: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:08 I like hearing GG comp, too - it's about the only time he plays chords.
	9:11am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Go Down Moses" by "Grant Green" In case you're wondering, Garvin Masseaux is credited with tambourine.
	9:12am Jeff Golick: ↳ StringOFperils @9:08 Let's be careful about what we ask chatGPT for.
	🥁 9:12am Listener Gregory: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:11 Shake that thing!
	🥁 9:15am DJ Peter: ↳ Song: "Wholy Moses" by "Bob Moses" Keith Jarrett on soprano?
	🥁 9:15am hyde: my screwup of the year: apparently Wadada Leo Smith debuted his new work at Harvard last night. and the Flux QUartet opened. and it was FREE. and i didn't know about it until it was too late to go ;(
	9:16am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @9:15 Apparently!
	🥁 9:17am DJ Peter: ↳ hyde @9:15 Free free performances are not well publicized, alas.
	9:17am Stork: ↳ Song: "Wholy Moses" by "Bob Moses" Is it Moses' birthday? (the guy on the Holy Mount, not the drummer currently playing)?
	🥁 9:17am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ Good ⦿Sunday FMUvianz ~
	9:18am StringOFperils: It's Moses' birthday? Shouldn't we be listening to a reed section?
	9:18am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @9:15 My life is filled with these sorts of realizations.
	9:18am Jeff Golick: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @9:17 Good morning, Revolution Rabbit Nov63!
	🥁 9:19am hyde: ↳ DJ Peter @9:17 exactly! i'm even on the Harvard arts/music email list and they never mentioned it. i only heard about it from the jazz calendar on REsearch and Development when i was listening to the Monday show yesterday afternoon
	9:19am Jeff Golick: ↳ StringOFperils @9:18 You are en fuego today, StringOFperils.
	9:19am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @9:17 Just in an exodus-y frame of mind, I guess.
	🥁 9:21am WR: ↳ DJ Peter @9:15 Apparently Moses was letting whoever showed up do whatever on that session. via discogs: Acoustic Bass, Electric Bass – Steve Swallow Bass – Larry Coryell (tracks: 5) Drums – Bob Moses Guitar, Vocals – Larry Coryell Piano – Keith Jarrett (tracks: 3) Recorded By – David Baker Soprano Saxophone – Keith Jarrett (tracks: 1, 6) Tenor Saxophone – Jim Pepper
	9:22am Stork: ↳ Song: "Milky Way Moses" by "Tasavallan Presidentti" Stanky guitar!
	🥁 9:22am DJ Peter: ↳ WR @9:21 like you can tell Jarrett what to do
	9:22am Jeff Golick: ↳ WR @9:21 Yeah, wacky. Hello, WR!
	9:23am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @9:22 Finnish giant Jukka Tolonen, I think.
	9:24am Jeff Golick: Some odd credits on the next item, too... #foreshadowing
	9:30am Erik/VT: Despite hearing my older sisters’ albums of Roberta Flack as a kid - I wasn’t fully aware how funky & groovy & significant her earliest recordings were and remain! 👏🙌👏
	9:32am Listener Gregory: I understand that a double-helping of cicadas is due this summer. Jeff, do you have any other plagues planned for us? Please keep the regular listeners informed.
	9:32am Jeff Golick: ↳ Erik/VT @9:30 Erik/VT, hello! Sometimes hard to hear past the hits, for sure.
	🥁 9:35am doctorjazz: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:32 Hey LG, any concerts coming up?
	9:35am StringOFperils: What a beautiful racket
	9:36am Doug Schulkind: Count? Me in!
	🥁 9:37am Listener Gregory: ↳ doctorjazz @9:35 Not on the schedule yet. The Massachusetts people have some coming up, but they're a bit distant, so I haven't decided yet.
	9:39am Jeff Golick: ↳ Doug Schulkind @9:36 Count bats 1.000 - howdy, D. Schulkind!
	9:40am StringOFperils: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:32 www.bbc.com...
	9:40am Sem: Good morning, Jeff, and hello. Greets, those identifying at Outies, and those in the outfield.
	9:41am Uncle Michael: Good morning.
	9:42am Jeff Golick: ↳ Sem @9:40 Now starting, Sem!
	9:42am Jeff Golick: ↳ Uncle Michael @9:41 Aloha, Uncle Michael!
	9:42am Uncle Michael: Oh, crap. I forgot to bloody my doorpost.
	9:43am Sem: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:42 Baseball on my mind, started The Chosen last night for the xth time.
	🥁 9:43am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Go Down Moses" by "Charlie Haden & Hank Jones" Love this track /album!
	9:46am Jeff Golick: ↳ Uncle Michael @9:42 That's gonna cost ya...
	9:47am StringOFperils: I'd hoped this was a smote-free zone
	9:47am Jeff Golick: ↳ StringOFperils @9:47 There will be no smiting here! Not even a smidge of smiting.
	🥁 9:48am doctorjazz: ↳ Uncle Michael @9:42 If you've got a lamb handy, it's not too late (and you can have lamb chops for dinner)
	9:48am Listener Gregory: We need Charlie Haden more than ever.
	9:49am Stork: Another great version of this tune by Archie Shepp and Jason Moran archieshepp.bandcamp.com...
	🥁 9:52am doctorjazz: Sorry to hear about Michael Cuscuna, also learned much from his music releaes (Mosaic and other reissues he was involved in).
	9:57am Stork: DJ Peter also has an Earth Day-related set planned - 7-9 pm EDT today
	9:57am Stork: Also - a call-back to the Moses set - couldn't resist: www.youtube.com...
	🥁 10:02am Listener Gregory: ↳ StringOFperils @9:40 Cicadas are by far the most nutritious plague.
	10:02am mic_a: Hello and best wishes, Jeff and Outsies! I remember the first Earth Day. My grade school class took a walking field trip 4 blocks north to pick up trash in a vacant lot.
	10:02am Jeff Golick: ↳ Stork @9:57 Yes! Thank you for remembering! Earth Day doings at The Laughing Clock today, too.
	🥁 10:05am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Please Help, Please Give" by "Kirk Knuffke" I was ery. curious who played the wild guitar here- Clarinet, Guitar – Doug Wieselman Drums – Kenny Wollesen (Haven't seen Wieselman credited on guitar before)
	10:05am Jeff Golick: ↳ mic_a @10:02 Thanks and hello, mic_a! Thanks for greening up the place.
	10:05am fred: Good morning Jeff and all
	🥁 10:06am chresti: Morning Jeff and d'OUTers!
	🥁 10:06am DJ Peter: May have to trim the Earth Day set a bit for Michael Cuscuna! ("Cannot do everything... cannot do everything..." a mantra oft repeated at WFMU and yet also kinda encouraged to try?)
	🥁 10:08am Listener Gregory: ↳ doctorjazz @10:05 He uses a reed instead of a pick!
	10:09am Jeff Golick: fred! chresti! Great to see you.
	10:11am Doug Schulkind: Great Steve Lacy cover here!
	🥁 10:13am doctorjazz: Haven't seen Knuffke as a leader-have seen him in other's groups (Boom Tic Boom comes to mind).
	10:15am Jeff Golick: ↳ Doug Schulkind @10:11 Yah! Ideal Bread was a Lacy repertory band.
	10:16am fred: Power was cut off for a few hours, 2 weeks ago it was water... I'm surrounded by trenches and that will go on for months
	10:16am Jeff Golick: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:15 There's a Lacy quote about bread that the group is named after. Can someone find what it is?
	🥁 10:16am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Take me to the spring" by "Kirk Knuffke / Joe McP... Nice artwork.
	10:16am Jeff Golick: ↳ fred @10:16 Ayiyi, fred. Is that pre-Olympics stuff or just the "usual." Anyway, sorry to hear!
	🥁 10:17am DJ Peter: "Like a baker makes his bread, I make music. If I make the same bread tomorrow, that bores me. I have to remake it; I have to do better. I'm always looking for... the ideal bread." --Steve Lacy, April 1976 www.npr.org...
	10:18am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @10:17 THANK YOUUUUU!
	🥁 10:19am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @10:17 Ya beat me, was about to post that....
	🥁 10:21am chresti: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:16 Impasto spin art!
	🥁 10:21am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @10:19 That's why they pay me the negative bucks
	10:22am fred: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:16 It's Olympics related in that there's a lot of money going to infrastructure works. The real Olympics hell will be coming soon, many people I know plan to leave the area
	🥁 10:22am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @10:21 Worth every penny, I'd double it!
	🥁 10:23am Listener Gregory: Culture report: I took the trek across the state to see the exhibit at Bennington College, "Milford Graves: A Mind-Body Deal." It was moderately interesting, with a lot of drawings and sculptural conglomerations of his. There were also albums and a few taped performances. They had one of the original hand-painted covers to his famous Yale concert with Don Pullen, which was nice. There were a few chances to actually hear his music, though I would have liked more. One of the most promising ones was not recorded well (him in his basement with Charles Gayle and William Parker), but others were well done. I wasn't that interested in his work on movement or the heart beat (sic), but for those who have a connection to his work in some way, it's worth checking out. You can see his painted drums and hand-made performance outfits too. Only one week more!
	🥁 10:25am DJ Peter: ↳ doctorjazz @10:22 LOL
	🥁 10:26am chresti: ↳ fred @10:22 LA's turn is next, I think
	10:26am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:23 Thank you for that scene report, culture reporter Listener Gregory! Re Graves, there is VERY interesting-looking archival release coming soon with some Graves 1991 action: milfordgraves-blackeditionsarchive.bandcamp.com...
	🥁 10:28am Listener Gregory: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:26 The most frustrating part of the exhibit for me was seeing that trio play in the basement (on tape), watching Parker furiously strumming his bass, and not hearing a note of his.
	🥁 10:30am doctorjazz: Knuffke plays cornet (which from my understanding is slightly mellower sounding than a trumpet, though, honestly, I couldn't generally pick that out). Of course, early Satch was cornet, nothing mellow about that sound...
	🥁 10:32am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Carbondale" by "Kirk Knuffke \| Ben Goldberg" Cool Duo (like most everything of Goldberg's I've heard)
	🥁 10:34am hyde: ↳ Song: "Carbondale" by "Kirk Knuffke \| Ben Goldberg" this cover looks like the (deadly) monkey bars at my grade school
	10:34am fred: I only have one show scheduled next week (hip-hop dance), and on the same day there's a gig I'd like to see. Currently scheming how to get from one to the other despite the many Olympic closures
	🥁 10:34am DJ Peter: You could hear the difference if a horn player took the same approach (embouchure, projection of wind) to both instruments... but of course jazzbos are adding other variables and not striving for a pure sound but a vocal sound (generalization). The difference is cornet (and euphonium) are "conical bore" while trumpet (and baritone horn) are "cylindrical bore" (conical meaning from mouth piece to horn the tube is constantly enlarging). Bore! That's me.
	10:34am Stork: ↳ doctorjazz @10:32 what doc said
	🥁 10:36am Listener Gregory: I feel very strongly that I can tell the difference between a cornet and trumpet. However, when I actually check out my intuition, it is often not correct. But still, I know the difference, I promise you.
	10:39am fred: ↳ DJ Peter @10:34 You do put me to sleep. But that's because your show starts at 1 am for me. I stayed up for your first marathon, but I can't do that every week
	🥁 10:40am doctorjazz: ↳ DJ Peter @10:34 Yeah (not boring), knew about the shape of the tube difference, and Knuffke obviously feels there's difference enough to make cornet his main instrument. From his bio... Discussing the cornet, his preferred instrument, Knuffke has said: “The way the air moves through the cornet is more open and spills out everywhere, which makes it easier for me to be dynamic and expressive. Bending notes around comes easier on cornet, whereas trumpet is more focused and direct.”
	🥁 10:41am doctorjazz: Cool Birthday celebration/set, Jeff!
	🥁 10:41am DJ Peter: ↳ fred @10:39 LOL... yawn
	10:44am fred: ↳ DJ Peter @10:41 Archives are a wonderful thing
	🥁 10:46am doctorjazz: In the middle of the archive of last night's David Mittleman tribute to Herbie Nichols (the trouble with archives is that you have to find time to listen when there isn't a live WFMU show you want to hear...)
	10:47am Josh: Uncompahgre is a national forest in Colorado
	🥁 10:47am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "And Now the Queen" by "Kirk Knuffke \| Jesse Stack... Allusion to Rites of Spring??? (opening phrase)
	10:47am Jeff Golick: ↳ Josh @10:47 Thank you, Josh! (Care to suggest how one says that?)
	🥁 10:47am doctorjazz: I heard the Music for a Free Works show when it wa first broadcast, was a good'un indeed!
	10:48am Jeff Golick: Here's that Dave Sewelson show with Kirk Knuffke as guest: www.wfmu.org...
	10:48am Josh: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:47 We say “un come pay gray.”
	10:49am Jeff Golick: ↳ Josh @10:48 Fantastic. You are hired.
	10:49am Stork: Thanks for the fine schoolin' on Knuffke today, Jeff. Loving this Kenny Wolleson collab. Did Kenny just quote La Vie En Rose for a second?
	10:49am Josh: ↳ Josh @10:48 Sorry “un come pah gray” autocorrect
	🥁 10:52am Listener Gregory: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:47 Or did Jeff say that in his intro, and I was looking at squirrels?
	10:53am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:52 I did not say that!
	10:55am Andrew in Toronto: Good morning, Jeff, and all other listeners!
	10:56am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Stork @10:49 Good afternoon, Stork.
	10:57am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ hyde @9:00 hi there, hyde.
	10:58am mackeral: ↳ Stork @9:49 I'm gonna check this out. Love the sprirituals duos
	10:58am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Yvang @9:01 Hiya, Yvang!
	10:58am Jeff Golick: Andrew in Toronto, hello! Hey there, mackeral!
	🥁 11:00am DJ Peter: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:47 Never noticed that before but you are right, they are very close
	11:00am iko: Time for work - thanks for a great one ✨✨✨
	🥁 11:01am hyde: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @10:57 hey AiT
	11:01am Jeff Golick: ↳ iko @11:00 Thanks for being here and checking in, iko! Take care.
	🥁 11:02am DJ Peter: Art Lange's blog: "Nor is it surprising that, as far as I can tell, The Rite of Spring has been quoted, borrowed, excerpted, inflated, revised, and reconstructed by jazz musicians more than any other single classical work – not surprising because it is the Citizen Kane, the Guernica, the Ulysses, of 20th century music: powerful, path-breaking, profound. But it’s ironic that the greater and more recognizable the original, the harder it is for an adaptation to succeed on its own merits. Moreover, it’s doubly ironic that despite the overwhelming effect of the full score, the essence of The Rite of Spring seems to be prefigured in its opening bassoon melody – indeed, its first eight unaccompanied notes. More than a hundred years after it was written, that indelible, immediately recognizable phrase is all that’s necessary to evoke a broad canvas of colors, movement, emotions. Which is why so many jazz artists have used it, either as the thematic foundation of a new piece, a symbolic reference, or a fragrant wisp of high culture. Paul Desmond’s “Sacre Blues,” Ornette Coleman’s “Sleep Talk,” Carla Bley’s “And Now the Queen,” and Peter Erskine/Marty Krystall/Buell Neidlinger’s “I Go(rs) Blue(s)” quickly come to mind; the list goes on." www.pointofdeparture.org...
	🥁 11:03am Mxter Baba: greetings, Jeff and folx! sounding lively in the stream
	🥁 11:03am DJ Peter: ↳ DJ Peter @11:02 The Ornette is also one that really affects me -- brings me to tears -- and yet I missed its similarity to Stravinsky.
	🥁 11:04am DJ Peter: ↳ DJ Peter @11:03 OFC the thing that brings me to tears is not the notes but Ornette's sound
	11:04am Jeff Golick: ↳ Mxter Baba @11:03 Warm greetings, Mxter Baba!
	11:05am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJ Peter @11:02 Thanks for sharing the Lange on Rite right here, DJ Peter!
	11:05am ?: ↳ Mxter Baba @11:03 Good morning, Mxter Baba, from the right coast.
	🥁 11:06am Doug Schulkind: If Worlde was seven words and allowed proper names, Knuffke would be a streak killer.
	11:06am Sem: ? is me.
	🥁 11:06am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Pee Wee's Blues" by "Kirk Knuffke" Love this tune!
	11:07am fred: ↳ DJ Peter @11:02 The soundtrack to Conan the barbarian bites Rite of Spring a lot. I know this because I only heard the original later, and was shocked at how blatant it was
	🥁 11:07am Listener Gregory: ↳ DJ Peter @11:02 Good find! More recently, Sylvie Courvoisier put out a very good two-piano record. The first part was Stravinsky's piano reduction of his piece. (His estate prevented her from recording her own, since this version already existed.) Then she provides a new composition "inspired by" the Stravinsky.
	11:12am fred: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:07 Estates are often crap. Joyce readings being blocked on Bloomsday, Niki de Saint Phalle's delaying renovation of her works, the list goes on
	🥁 11:25am Listener Gregory: ↳ fred @11:12 Yes, not clear why one piano reduction should preclude the composition of another one... except for financial reasons, of course. No one expects that a composer's performance of a work precludes a different performer doing it, perhaps with a different interpretation.
	🥁 11:26am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Thanks a Lot" by "Kirk Knuffke" Ernest Tubbs an underused composer in the jazz canon.
	11:27am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @11:26 ::thumbs up emoji::
	11:28am ?: LG @11:25 Public performance and derivative works are two different things. The right to create derivative works belongs to the copyright holder, at least in the USA. https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.pdf
	11:29am ?=Dean: on derivative works^
	🥁 11:29am Listener Gregory: ↳ @11:28 Yes. When I said it wasn't clear why, I meant conceptually, not legally. You could really mess up a work in performance, but the composer can't do much about it (though some have tried). (I recognized you, ?!)
	11:30am Jeff Golick: Dean!
	11:32am Dean: I suppose the concept at play, for better or worse, is a kind of fairness. If you write a successful novel and without your permission I make a popular movie based on it, something is unfair.
	🥁 11:35am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @11:32 Yes, though in this case it would be if you wanted to make a film of my novel after I had done so, and my estate denied you permission, because my film already existed. Courvoisier obviously tried to get permission first, and I imagine that royalties would have been arranged if they agreed. Well, the resulting record is still pretty good.
	11:38am fred: ↳ Dean @11:32 That's a fair position. But when heirs block needed renovation of a public work (the fountain didn't work anymore) to get paid, then block announcement of the reopening until they get paid some more, that's pure entitled greed (I'm referring to Niki de Saint Phalle)
	11:38am bobob plasticland: 91 yrs ago Ian Carr was born in Scotland RIP & 82 yrs ago Alan Skidmore was brn n london
	🥁 11:38am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Don't Send Me No Flowers" by "Sonny Boy Williamson" Not the usual blues changes I'd expect from Sonny Boy, very Gospel. Likely the other players' influence.
	11:39am Jeff Golick: Hey, bobob plasticland! Thanks for that. Ian Carr's birthday today, too? Dang.
	🥁 11:42am NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA: ↳ Song: "Nature Boy" by "Alan Skidmore with Radio-Philharm... Oh gosh, chills
	11:42am Dean: That's what seeking permission is about, though. There's a risk it will be denied. And in the US, at least, the risks of violating the right without permission can be quite serious. It's an odd balancing act, inasmuch as we claim to want to provide incentives for artists to create for the public good (your novel, the rights for which you can pass on to your heirs). But still more creativity (my movie that adapts your novel) is prohibited. Presumably, the calculation is that you would not have published the novel (so, less public good) at least until you had already created the movie, too.
	11:44am Jeff Golick: ↳ Dean @11:42 Copyright law in the US, in recent decades, has been all about corporations securing IP for generations, rather than trying to balance public good vs. heirs' interests.
	🥁 11:45am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Psalm" by "Alan Skidmore Quartet" Cool version!
	🥁 11:46am Listener Gregory: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:44 Word! The original copyright laws were reasonable. Now they're crafted by Disney and funnel money to people who are far removed from the actual creators.
	11:47am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:39 What a wonderful episode! Thanks, Jeff!
	11:48am Dean: Anyway, nowadays artists have opportunities not to be so greedy if they choose. True, Jeff G., and fuck Disney. I still think Eldred was Larry Lessig's to lose, but that's easy for an armchair attorney to say. In your formula, "heirs' interests" is a proxy for "incentive," supposedly. My retort to that is: If you need an incentive to create, then I'm not interested. But of course that's baloney, too. Was it Samuel Johnson who said only a fool writes for anything other than money?
	11:49am Jeff Golick: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @11:47 Thanks for being here, Andrew in Toronto!
	🥁 11:51am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @11:48 I believe it was "blockhead." However, his work is out of copyright, so you may modify it at will!
	11:51am Dean: Heh, yep. But still, limited paraphrase is fair use.
	11:51am bobob fabtriplasticland: No prob Jeff ..I happened to be writing Alan Skidmore down as you said it ..esp...and two sec before I wrote down Ian Carr ..says they were both in Centipede ...good show
	11:53am fred: ↳ Dean @11:51 I like your take on this
	11:54am Dean: Speaking of derivative works, I'm thinking about writing a book to complement Georges Perec's A Void (i.e., the English translation). It will consist only of the letter "e." I'm having a hard time getting started.
	11:54am Jeff Golick: Where will you be at the top of the hour? Join the cool kids over at The Stork Club, whydontcha: wfmu.org...
	11:54am Jeff Golick: ↳ Dean @11:54 Maybe you need to buy a vowel.
	11:55am Dean: Oh, sure, and then I'll be contacted by attorneys for Wheel of Fortune!
	🥁 11:56am Listener Gregory: ↳ Dean @11:54 It will complement it in the logical sense of the word: No overlap. I would buy it.
	🥁 11:56am NotARealDoctor in Norfolk VA: Thanks for keeping me and my coworkers company here at the pharmacy today, Jeff, see you next week!
	🥁 11:57am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Can't you see (me)" by "Amalie Dahl's Dafnie" Where did you find this one, Jeff? Not too shabby!
	🥁 11:57am hyde: thanks!
	🥁 11:57am doctorjazz: Loved the show, thanks Jeff! (gotta start preparing for the upcomming Seder, shudda been farther along by now, OY!)
	🥁 11:58am Doug Schulkind: Thankssomuch, Jeff!
	11:58am listener james from westwood: Many thanks, Jeff!
	11:58am Sem: All jazzed up for the rest of the day, TY, Jeff. See you and the jazzbo contingent here same time, same station. Laters.
	🥁 11:59am Listener Gregory: Good Pesach, everyone. Thanks a lot, Jeff.
	🥁 11:59am Yvang: Thanks Jeff! This was nice!
	🥁 12:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...in that place of didn't sleep enuff & not sure whether to try & sleep more in daylight - or get yer weary self up ...can't think of anything better to alleviate such a purgatory than this Program. ~ TY Always DJ JeffG ~
	12:02pm Jeff Golick: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @12:00 Ah yes, the inbetween zone, I know it well. Hope you emerge from purgatory, RRN63! Same for all of us, I suppose. Take care, everyone!
	🥁 12:06pm chresti: Thanks Jeff!

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