WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from October 25, 2021

Listener comments!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Mark! Angry Red Techtons!
	🤖 6:01pm Will the Sound Guy: Hello Mark and all!
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Mark and all the Techyon Drives! Let's stop at Mars on the way to Iskandar! I have Techgin. All I need is ... Also, I'm writing from inside the Kitten Room! This will be Goblin and Bugbear's first Techtonic! To me, Kim Stanley Robinson's careful, slow, and intensely imagined Mars Trilogy is the ur-text of Mars colonization. Interested in the perspective from the documentary.
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hello Mark! Hellraisers!
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Are we coming up with new names for Facebook today? like "Zucker"?
	🤖 6:02pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and Robinson Crusoe descendants. 🚀👩‍🚀
	6:03pm Roland from Australia: Hello everyone, so good to be here listening to the show again.
	6:03pm joe mulligan: that's def not Smudge the Cat!
	🤖 6:03pm Ken From Hyde Park: Zuckerburg's Folly!
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: The surfing is poor on Mars, just sayin'.
	6:05pm DanFA: What could go wrong?
	🤖 6:06pm sbw: Hello from Los Angeles!
	🤖 6:06pm Will the Sound Guy: wild idea
	6:07pm Little Danny: hello Mark and martians!
	🤖 6:07pm PaulRobeson1920: Hi Hi Hi all!
	6:07pm joe mulligan: I'm with you @WH Henry. sandboarding prolly stinks too there
	6:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ♂︎Mars @ the closest is like 560 Xs the distance to the ☽Moon.
	6:08pm ultradamno: How close is it to Moonbase 8? www.imdb.com...
	6:08pm Cece: Hi I want to be put in the dome..
	6:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...if @ the same pace (hopefully not) as the three days to the ☽Moon (one way) - that's 4.6 Years...
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: I heard the wifi on Mars is pretty bad, so that's a big nope right there.
	🤖 6:10pm Folsom: get your ahs to mahs, give these people aahr!
	🤖 6:10pm Handy Haversack: And what problems do we have now that we really think we WON'T bring to Mars ... ?
	🤖 6:10pm Will the Sound Guy: Mars is pretty volatile, soo many people think it's close to being habitable. we should try to clean up this planet first...
	🤖 6:10pm PaulRobeson1920: Run towards The Good
	6:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Listen to your uncle Bill Shatner - it's Life down here.
	🤖 6:12pm tim from washington: Hi Mark and crew!
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: Sounds also like the famous "Biosphere II" experiment - kinda.
	6:12pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Hi Mark!
	6:12pm Martia Martia Martia: Hi Earthlings!
	🤖 6:12pm Handy Haversack: Didn't the Beastie Boys kind of do that with a MSG show?
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: viz: en.wikipedia.org...
	6:13pm ultradamno: Very bad surfing www.forbes.com...
	6:15pm ultradamno: There was talk of Titan being habitable, but evidently it might fly away www.newscientist.com...
	6:15pm Jackie G: 1200 square feet: that's bigger than a bread box. So....not too bad.
	🤖 6:16pm Bas NL: Sounds heavenly...
	6:16pm Aye-Aye: @Webmaster Henry I came here to say just that! plus this cca-annex.net...
	6:17pm WR: The Hi-Seas experiments: en.wikipedia.org...
	6:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...all I ever wanted ...was my own IceCreamBar !...
	6:18pm Jackie G: How did they decide who would go into this dome? Men? And women? Ren and Stimpy shout out! So funny!
	🤖 6:18pm Wendy del Formaggio: SPACE MADNESS! It's one of my favorite cartoons, too, and that's saying a lot, because I love cartoons.
	6:18pm tak: ren n stimpy accurate reference is why i love this show
	6:18pm Andres: Oh, man! Never expected a Ren and Stimpy reference! ❤️
	6:19pm listener james from westwood: "It's the History Eraser Button—you fool!!"
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: I just saw SOUTH last night in Kanopy.
	🤖 6:19pm Will the Sound Guy: Ren and Stimpy rock
	🤖 6:20pm Wendy del Formaggio: "We're not hitchhiking anymore. We're riding!"
	🤖 6:20pm Ken From Hyde Park: Log! Log! It's better than bad, it's good! 🪵
	🤖 6:20pm Will the Sound Guy: from blamo
	6:21pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: www.dailymotion.com...
	🤖 6:22pm Handy Haversack: Will recommend the TV show For All Mankind for some exploration of these issues, too.
	6:23pm Marci: I’m thinking of my friend’s book “Madhouse at the End of the Earth” about the Belgica and it’s sad voyage
	6:23pm Jackie G: Mary Roach: she writes about all kinds of cool stuff.
	6:23pm ultradamno: twitter.com...
	🤖 6:23pm Will the Sound Guy: thank you Rev Rabbit
	6:24pm Roland from Australia: Very interesting 🧐
	🤖 6:25pm Bas NL: Life bingeing. Living binge.
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining this evening! Glad to see all my fellow Ren & Stimpy fans - especially for SPACE MADNESS..
	6:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The not funny side ... : www.buzzfeednews.com...
	6:26pm Mark Hurst: @RevRabbit - true, the revelations about John K are terrible.
	6:26pm VincentNifigance: Glad for acknowledgment John K is a self-admitted bad man.
	🤖 6:27pm Wendy del Formaggio: When I first saw "Ren and Stimpy," I thought to myself, "This show will change cartoons in a big way."
	6:27pm ultradamno: Kricfalusi and Schneider, two of the big Nick names
	6:27pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Maybe I'm just an autistic introvert with enough to get by practically, but I loved being inside for month after month with just my wife and pets. I didn't miss other people one bit. Oh, and yes, Mary Roach's stuff is great.
	6:28pm ultradamno: Not that the competition's big white gloved hands are clean on such abuse.
	6:30pm ARB: Hate the idea of planet colonization, yet I would love for all of them to go live on a different one.
	6:30pm coelacanth∅: there it is, the one and ONLY practical reason to try to colonize mars... to get rid of scum like jeff bozos.
	6:30pm Mark Hurst: @Murakami a couple of the subjects say something similar in the film - "I'm happy to be alone with my projects" etc. ... - the challenge was that they were stuck with 5 other people in a tiny space.
	🤖 6:31pm Handy Haversack: I'll recommend another KSR book, Aurorus, about the fact that we really only have one planet. So figure it oht!
	6:31pm Mark Hurst: @ARB @coel get ready for my proposal coming up in a minute
	6:31pm Mark Hurst: @Handy good recommendations this evening, thanks!
	6:31pm coelacanth∅: haha ARB, yeah
	6:31pm Old Dave: I snore way too much for camping with anyone but my wife, no hope of space travel. Love this place too much anyway...
	6:31pm (((Murakami Whywolf): I have a strong bias, looking at Chinese and Byzantine history, toward the notion that societies that have no 'outside' stagnate. I think we need to do some very visible great things so that we have an high bar toward which to reach. We used to say 'We can put a man on the Moon, why can't we <A>.'. Well, these days the rejoinder is 'Uh, we can‘t put a man on the Moon.'.
	6:32pm hoohoo: Space! The final marketing frontier!
	6:32pm ?: Vocal Fry makes me mental.
	6:32pm solo mon: I will wait in line for the Great Space Coaster.
	6:33pm (Murakami Whywolf))): With adequate communication, even with the speed-of-light lag, Bezos could do just as much damage from Mars.
	🤖 6:33pm tim from washington: Can't pay no rent today (and Bezos is up in space)
	6:33pm coelacanth∅: and we NEED to know. (in other words, we need to have control)
	6:33pm ultradamno: By the way, NASA head Bill Nelson was on Axios yesterday, quite pleased with such billionaire/celeb participation news.yahoo.com...
	🤖 6:33pm Handy Haversack: Very distracting to try to comment while a tiny black kitten tries to figure out whether my knuckles might give milk. And as to what @hoohoo said, yeah. That's the terrifying thing. Bezos rescues The Expanse without realizing that the dystopian future is presents is the one he's building.
	🤖 6:33pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Solo Mon: The theme song from the Great Space Coaster goes through my head about once a month, even though I haven't seen it since the mid-80s. That's powerful stuff.
	6:34pm coelacanth∅: i'd like to also send all 9 of the brand new billionaires that the covid shot has created.
	6:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: For the love of all that's Holy - we're crapping in our own doggydish here on Earth - the most beautiful irreplaceable Jewel in the Known Universe. We have not begun to earn the right to take it to another World.
	6:35pm solo mon: Hahaha- Get on board!
	6:35pm Jack: There are absolutely no good reasons for humans to go to Mars. None! Send robots, rovers. Send a bottle of Jeff Bezos' or Elon Musks' urine so it can be sprayed on Mars and they can claim it as theirs.
	🤖 6:36pm tim from washington: Can you stream WFMU on Mars? If not, that's a deal breaker.
	6:36pm coelacanth∅: Whywolf but the reality is everyone sent to mars will die there fairly quickly, so bozos will be out of our hair.
	6:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ' Famous astronomer Carl Sagan once wrote, "If there is life on Mars, I believe we should do nothing with Mars. Mars then belongs to the Martians, even if the Martians are only microbes." ' - & that, as DeGrasseTyson says - is the Cosmic Perspective.
	6:36pm Old Dave: Great proposal- you forgot Shatner. They'd need him there.
	6:37pm JeremyB: I'm stealing that GIF!
	6:37pm solo mon: Shat into space.
	6:37pm (((Murakami Whywolf): I resent noöne's becoming a billionaire: I just want every single human being to be one.
	6:37pm ultradamno: @tim I think there's a significant delay, but I think all radiowave make it there
	🤖 6:37pm Ken From Hyde Park: Simple, send Clay & Fabio along with a stack of records and DVDs.
	6:38pm RevErie: @RRNov63 I agree wholeheartedly
	🤖 6:38pm Handy Haversack: Jack, I'd only say, I guess, that in a scarcity economy built on oppression and waste and extractive capitalism, there's no reason to trust the powers that be with the money and power that reaching Mars would entail. Past the revolutionary singularity, past scarcity ... shouldn't we see what we can do? And given the world ... maybe we ought to see what faking it till we make it might mean? But yeah. I am in no current way arguing with your point.
	6:39pm Jack: Unfortunately the only way humans will stop sending people to Mars is when a lot of them die trying. You can bet the billionaires won't be going along for the ride.
	6:39pm ultradamno: As far as going there, I don't even want to go to the mojave or the salt flats
	🤖 6:39pm tim from washington: @ulradamno - that works for me!
	6:39pm coelacanth∅: nobody gets to be a billionaire by being a good person, and anyone who becomes a billionaire and remains one is automatically not a good person.
	6:39pm (Murakami Whywolf))): coelacanth∅: Well, I don't believe in capital punishment. Anyways, we're just matter and the forces governing it—no Destiny, no Marxian History, no Cosmic Justice—so if they play their cards carefully enough there's no reason they'd die quickly.
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: That ultradamno. He's always been such a breather!
	🤖 6:40pm Bas NL: I'm currently involved in a study of debris flows on Mars. We simulate these in a low pressure container with a martian atmosphere. Great results in that it confirms what can be seen by radar observations. In all a bit easier then actually going to Mars.
	6:40pm solo mon: I don’t even want to go to the grocery store, let alone Mars.
	🤖 6:41pm Handy Haversack: And you can stream WFMU, Bas!
	6:41pm solo mon: Coelacanthø- so true. You have to be screwing people over to get that much money.
	6:42pm Jack: Mars is a beautiful pristine world, sculpted by eons of wind (and water long ago) Look at the pictures from the rovers or the orbiters! The very concept of "terraforming" is sick!
	🤖 6:42pm Bas NL: No minor point Handy!
	6:43pm Kpx: @solo mon: what about going to the grocery store for a Mars bar.
	6:43pm timinoak: What of an underground living space?
	🤖 6:44pm Handy Haversack: If I could turn back time, I would go to the Mars Bar for a beer and some filth right now!
	🤖 6:44pm tim from washington: That's really cool, Bas.
	🤖 6:44pm PaulRobeson1920: motivation… 2 types of motivation…. What is motivating space travel? Ummm The Universe? what is that
	6:44pm Jack: @Handy - Aurora by KSR is a fantastic, and yet really mis-understood book.
	6:44pm full_english_breakfast: i immediately watched ren and stimpy "space madness" for the first time in like 30 years after hearing your comment mark... that takes me back, it is still hilarious!
	6:45pm coelacanth∅: the main thing that's outrageous about the idea, to me, is the enormous amount of earth resources wasted to do it, and the ongoing waste of resources to do it. for what, a few wealthy, selfish, egotistical scumbags?
	🤖 6:45pm Bas NL: It is -130°F cool, Tim! :)
	6:45pm timinoak: I'm way more into just making it work here in balance with our envoronment
	6:45pm Ignore Function: Spaceship Earth is a good documentary. A certain charlatan that's in the news today makes an appearance toward the end. No spoilers.
	6:45pm Andres: Unrelated to Mars I would recommend the Ren and Stimpy episode “Son of Stimpy” for your Christmas specials viewing.
	6:46pm solo mon: Cool simulation, God.
	🤖 6:46pm PaulRobeson1920: Buckminster Fuller popularized the Geodesic dome & his 1969 book “Spaceship Earth” is worth it. Pick it up baby
	🤖 6:46pm Handy Haversack: Techtonic is one of the absolutely crucial things I know of. It is an absolute gift. Please pledge if you can, Techyon Particles! Jack, I don't really know anyone's reaction but mine! Is there some misreading out there? I think it does some experimentation with the consciousness of the "novel's thinking" and the "narrator" that is unique and wonderful and more experimental than 99.9% of pomo "modern" literary fiction.
	🤖 6:47pm DjLorraine: Thanks for this show
	6:47pm ultradamno: Try out that Kitten Sparkles Germs special....damn good three hours
	6:47pm solo mon: The Mars bar is low.
	🤖 6:47pm tim from washington: Bas - ha! you ain't kidding.
	6:48pm ultradamno: Right here wfmu.org...
	🤖 6:48pm Handy Haversack: (PS: The kittens are fighting over my shoelaces!)
	6:48pm Kpx: Handy, if i could turn back Time - you say. Well maybe Cher can help you with that
	6:50pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Handy Haversack: That's the spirit. We don't still have poverty, war, and injustice because we went to the Moon, we have them because 0.) too many people believe that it's right that we have those, 1.) too many others believe that we can not eliminate them, and 2.) our technological level is still so risibly low that too many people are vindictive and/or religious enough to believe 0.) and that 1.) is either true or still so recently true that it's believable. Here's to the Machines of Loving Grace.
	6:50pm Jack: Handy, Aurora is an ecological novel, about Earth, even though it takes place on a interplanetary generation spaceship. It shows the complexity of our enviroment. KSR/Aurora has been critisized as being "anti-space travel" but more to the truth he's incredibly "pro-Earth".
	🤖 6:50pm chresti: Mars is just a ball of dirt, right?
	6:50pm solo mon: If we were stuck in space, I’d share my Mars Bar with you.
	6:51pm ultradamno: If you turn back time, I hear you find out Cher wasn't a VU fan
	🤖 6:51pm Handy Haversack: Agreed 100 percent, Murakami and Jack!
	🤖 6:51pm Handy Haversack: Moe is on it, though, ultradamno.
	6:51pm RevErie: thank you mark, for another great show
	🤖 6:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: Shackleton kept them moving forward. Into the unknown.
	🤖 6:52pm PaulRobeson1920: Pledge pledge pledge-for a satisfaction that lasts!! Forget those mayonnaise sandwiches, avoid the drug alcohol & the moving image and donate that hard earned $ to WFMU!!! Or not it’s ok
	🤖 6:52pm Bas NL: Yes @Chresti. Very cold and dry dirt.
	6:52pm Marci: Phone zombies
	🤖 6:52pm Wendy del Formaggio: TELL IT, MARK HURST!
	6:52pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Handy Haversack: Have fun with your new, alien friends! They're the best, they turn everything around them into the Forest/Desert Primeval when you see it through their eyes. (Also, they, like Lt Worf, are incredibly funny because they are _absolutely_serious_ about everything.)
	6:53pm solo mon: I love this show.
	6:53pm LiXiviated Life: Mark, The irony seems to be that our drive to connect to others has made us more isolated.
	6:53pm ultradamno: I'm holding out to see if we can colonize one of the gas giants.
	6:53pm Old Dave: Yes!
	6:53pm ARB: Wear it with a make-shift pantyhose sweater over the top so it can still be read
	🤖 6:53pm Handy Haversack: I wear mine with pride and to work and into space where I invite commentary on it! Techtonic is a gift of the highest order! Thanks so much, Mark! And thanks, Lauren and Katherine! Much, much appreciated.
	🤖 6:53pm PaulRobeson1920: Building a community that promotes The Good! In all things! Yes baby yes
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: "There ain't room enough on this planet for both of us, so... off you go!" -- Duck Dodgers
	6:54pm Jackie G: Mark is so right. People and their phones. Even when parents take their babies for a walk they still stare at their phones rather than bonding with their beautiful child. And dog-walkers too. Same story. Very sad.
	6:54pm Roland from Australia: I wear my tech tonic shirt often I’m very proud of it.
	6:54pm coelacanth∅: ultra lets detour the mars mission to jupiter and find out if it supports life
	6:54pm LiXiviated Life: “The revelation will not be televised”
	6:55pm Ciggy: "What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach."
	🤖 6:55pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:55pm tim from washington: Thanks, Mark! Keep up the good work!
	🤖 6:55pm Handy Haversack: Better check the vaccination rates there first, coela.
	6:55pm hi: Is the Signoff T-Shirt sold out? I can't find it on the donation page where you pick your swag.
	🤖 6:55pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:56pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Thank you Mark
	6:56pm ultradamno: @coel or Saturn...I'd like a summer house on rings
	6:56pm Roland from Australia: I recall an older David Bowie saying he has no desire whatsoever to go to Mars :)
	6:56pm Sunny: It’s a shame that John K is a pedophile
	6:57pm Kpx: We're supposed to be doing something a little for the October fundraiser shows and you know we talked about running stimpy during the show and I found that when you get for macho and many of the other my other friends from the comic board our friend or a fans of friends sippy and in particular fans of that one episode that I if the episode called space madness now I don't have time
	6:57pm ultradamno: i.pinimg.com...
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: ooh that's a bit of heaven right there ultra! -a summer cottage
	6:58pm dave miss: Thanks Mark
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: @hi it's there! just click "1 DJ Premium" and the Techtonic t-shirt is in the "Monday" section.
	6:58pm coelacanth∅: Roland, i guess Bowie was in fact NOT a lad insane
	6:58pm Kpx: My phone just picked that up from the radio, so I thought I would just return some of Mark's words just for the heck of it.
	6:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: @Kpx good one
	6:59pm (((Murakami Whywolf): The history of massacres, witch-burnings, and pogroms tell me that people with strong social bonds and without screens are _fully_ capable of acting like violent, hate-filled, louts. Group violence and hate exist in humans because they tend to _strengthen_ social bonds…and if you think Facebook is bad for creating terrible and terribly uniform ideas, just look at any mediæval village or Nineteenth Century shtetl. Technology is bad when it amplifies all that, true.
	6:59pm ultradamno: Did April March work on that one?
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: Yeah! Check Engine light is the scariest!
	7:00pm Jackie G: "relax, Cap'n"
	7:00pm McGroovey: I heard dead air during what was supposed to be Ren and Stimpy.
	7:00pm McGroovey: On 91.1
	7:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TY DJ MH
	7:01pm Kpx: @Mark: thanks, but speech to text mangled up all of the words
	7:06pm Kpx: That was supposed to be, some of the words. Not all
	2:14am JJ NY-SC: What is the streaming service she was talking about? I don't see an ultiva or ultivad or anything like that.
	11:18am Mark Hurst: Altavod - the link is at the top of this page.
	1:51pm markinbrooklyn: comment for upcoming show: wow. facebook doubled down on creepiness with this meta move... Mark! please assure us that it ain't gonna work!!!!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from October 25, 2021

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October 25, 2021: "Red Heaven" directors Lauren DeFilippo & Katherine Gorringe

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Above: The HI-SEAS dome, as shown in "Red Heaven"

Tonight: "Red Heaven" directors Lauren DeFilippo & Katherine Gorringe

Links:

• Red Heaven film site

• Red Heaven on Altavod. It's also on Apple Plus (though, as always, "avoid Apple.")

• HI-SEAS, the NASA project

• The phrase "red heaven" is based on the Dark Mountain essay Openings: Freeing Space for a New Cosmology, by Tim Fox

• Related references:
- Space Madness, the Ren & Stimpy episode
- Packing for Mars, by Mary Roach
- The Martian, by Andy Weir
- Moonbase 8, TV show
- Spaceship Earth, documentary about Biosphere 2
- Techtonic interview of Toby Ord (April 20, 2020), giving odds on humanity's existential crises
- ...and of course, anything about Ernest Shackleton.

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Listener comments!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Mark! Angry Red Techtons!
	🤖 6:01pm Will the Sound Guy: Hello Mark and all!
	🤖 6:01pm Handy Haversack: Mark and all the Techyon Drives! Let's stop at Mars on the way to Iskandar! I have Techgin. All I need is ... Also, I'm writing from inside the Kitten Room! This will be Goblin and Bugbear's first Techtonic! To me, Kim Stanley Robinson's careful, slow, and intensely imagined Mars Trilogy is the ur-text of Mars colonization. Interested in the perspective from the documentary.
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hello Mark! Hellraisers!
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Are we coming up with new names for Facebook today? like "Zucker"?
	🤖 6:02pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and Robinson Crusoe descendants. 🚀👩‍🚀
	6:03pm Roland from Australia: Hello everyone, so good to be here listening to the show again.
	6:03pm joe mulligan: that's def not Smudge the Cat!
	🤖 6:03pm Ken From Hyde Park: Zuckerburg's Folly!
	🤖 6:05pm Webhamster Henry: The surfing is poor on Mars, just sayin'.
	6:05pm DanFA: What could go wrong?
	🤖 6:06pm sbw: Hello from Los Angeles!
	🤖 6:06pm Will the Sound Guy: wild idea
	6:07pm Little Danny: hello Mark and martians!
	🤖 6:07pm PaulRobeson1920: Hi Hi Hi all!
	6:07pm joe mulligan: I'm with you @WH Henry. sandboarding prolly stinks too there
	6:07pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ♂︎Mars @ the closest is like 560 Xs the distance to the ☽Moon.
	6:08pm ultradamno: How close is it to Moonbase 8? www.imdb.com...
	6:08pm Cece: Hi I want to be put in the dome..
	6:09pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...if @ the same pace (hopefully not) as the three days to the ☽Moon (one way) - that's 4.6 Years...
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: I heard the wifi on Mars is pretty bad, so that's a big nope right there.
	🤖 6:10pm Folsom: get your ahs to mahs, give these people aahr!
	🤖 6:10pm Handy Haversack: And what problems do we have now that we really think we WON'T bring to Mars ... ?
	🤖 6:10pm Will the Sound Guy: Mars is pretty volatile, soo many people think it's close to being habitable. we should try to clean up this planet first...
	🤖 6:10pm PaulRobeson1920: Run towards The Good
	6:11pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Listen to your uncle Bill Shatner - it's Life down here.
	🤖 6:12pm tim from washington: Hi Mark and crew!
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: Sounds also like the famous "Biosphere II" experiment - kinda.
	6:12pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Hi Mark!
	6:12pm Martia Martia Martia: Hi Earthlings!
	🤖 6:12pm Handy Haversack: Didn't the Beastie Boys kind of do that with a MSG show?
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: viz: en.wikipedia.org...
	6:13pm ultradamno: Very bad surfing www.forbes.com...
	6:15pm ultradamno: There was talk of Titan being habitable, but evidently it might fly away www.newscientist.com...
	6:15pm Jackie G: 1200 square feet: that's bigger than a bread box. So....not too bad.
	🤖 6:16pm Bas NL: Sounds heavenly...
	6:16pm Aye-Aye: @Webmaster Henry I came here to say just that! plus this cca-annex.net...
	6:17pm WR: The Hi-Seas experiments: en.wikipedia.org...
	6:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...all I ever wanted ...was my own IceCreamBar !...
	6:18pm Jackie G: How did they decide who would go into this dome? Men? And women? Ren and Stimpy shout out! So funny!
	🤖 6:18pm Wendy del Formaggio: SPACE MADNESS! It's one of my favorite cartoons, too, and that's saying a lot, because I love cartoons.
	6:18pm tak: ren n stimpy accurate reference is why i love this show
	6:18pm Andres: Oh, man! Never expected a Ren and Stimpy reference! ❤️
	6:19pm listener james from westwood: "It's the History Eraser Button—you fool!!"
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: I just saw SOUTH last night in Kanopy.
	🤖 6:19pm Will the Sound Guy: Ren and Stimpy rock
	🤖 6:20pm Wendy del Formaggio: "We're not hitchhiking anymore. We're riding!"
	🤖 6:20pm Ken From Hyde Park: Log! Log! It's better than bad, it's good! 🪵
	🤖 6:20pm Will the Sound Guy: from blamo
	6:21pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: www.dailymotion.com...
	🤖 6:22pm Handy Haversack: Will recommend the TV show For All Mankind for some exploration of these issues, too.
	6:23pm Marci: I’m thinking of my friend’s book “Madhouse at the End of the Earth” about the Belgica and it’s sad voyage
	6:23pm Jackie G: Mary Roach: she writes about all kinds of cool stuff.
	6:23pm ultradamno: twitter.com...
	🤖 6:23pm Will the Sound Guy: thank you Rev Rabbit
	6:24pm Roland from Australia: Very interesting 🧐
	🤖 6:25pm Bas NL: Life bingeing. Living binge.
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining this evening! Glad to see all my fellow Ren & Stimpy fans - especially for SPACE MADNESS..
	6:25pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The not funny side ... : www.buzzfeednews.com...
	6:26pm Mark Hurst: @RevRabbit - true, the revelations about John K are terrible.
	6:26pm VincentNifigance: Glad for acknowledgment John K is a self-admitted bad man.
	🤖 6:27pm Wendy del Formaggio: When I first saw "Ren and Stimpy," I thought to myself, "This show will change cartoons in a big way."
	6:27pm ultradamno: Kricfalusi and Schneider, two of the big Nick names
	6:27pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Maybe I'm just an autistic introvert with enough to get by practically, but I loved being inside for month after month with just my wife and pets. I didn't miss other people one bit. Oh, and yes, Mary Roach's stuff is great.
	6:28pm ultradamno: Not that the competition's big white gloved hands are clean on such abuse.
	6:30pm ARB: Hate the idea of planet colonization, yet I would love for all of them to go live on a different one.
	6:30pm coelacanth∅: there it is, the one and ONLY practical reason to try to colonize mars... to get rid of scum like jeff bozos.
	6:30pm Mark Hurst: @Murakami a couple of the subjects say something similar in the film - "I'm happy to be alone with my projects" etc. ... - the challenge was that they were stuck with 5 other people in a tiny space.
	🤖 6:31pm Handy Haversack: I'll recommend another KSR book, Aurorus, about the fact that we really only have one planet. So figure it oht!
	6:31pm Mark Hurst: @ARB @coel get ready for my proposal coming up in a minute
	6:31pm Mark Hurst: @Handy good recommendations this evening, thanks!
	6:31pm coelacanth∅: haha ARB, yeah
	6:31pm Old Dave: I snore way too much for camping with anyone but my wife, no hope of space travel. Love this place too much anyway...
	6:31pm (((Murakami Whywolf): I have a strong bias, looking at Chinese and Byzantine history, toward the notion that societies that have no 'outside' stagnate. I think we need to do some very visible great things so that we have an high bar toward which to reach. We used to say 'We can put a man on the Moon, why can't we <A>.'. Well, these days the rejoinder is 'Uh, we can‘t put a man on the Moon.'.
	6:32pm hoohoo: Space! The final marketing frontier!
	6:32pm ?: Vocal Fry makes me mental.
	6:32pm solo mon: I will wait in line for the Great Space Coaster.
	6:33pm (Murakami Whywolf))): With adequate communication, even with the speed-of-light lag, Bezos could do just as much damage from Mars.
	🤖 6:33pm tim from washington: Can't pay no rent today (and Bezos is up in space)
	6:33pm coelacanth∅: and we NEED to know. (in other words, we need to have control)
	6:33pm ultradamno: By the way, NASA head Bill Nelson was on Axios yesterday, quite pleased with such billionaire/celeb participation news.yahoo.com...
	🤖 6:33pm Handy Haversack: Very distracting to try to comment while a tiny black kitten tries to figure out whether my knuckles might give milk. And as to what @hoohoo said, yeah. That's the terrifying thing. Bezos rescues The Expanse without realizing that the dystopian future is presents is the one he's building.
	🤖 6:33pm Wendy del Formaggio: @Solo Mon: The theme song from the Great Space Coaster goes through my head about once a month, even though I haven't seen it since the mid-80s. That's powerful stuff.
	6:34pm coelacanth∅: i'd like to also send all 9 of the brand new billionaires that the covid shot has created.
	6:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: For the love of all that's Holy - we're crapping in our own doggydish here on Earth - the most beautiful irreplaceable Jewel in the Known Universe. We have not begun to earn the right to take it to another World.
	6:35pm solo mon: Hahaha- Get on board!
	6:35pm Jack: There are absolutely no good reasons for humans to go to Mars. None! Send robots, rovers. Send a bottle of Jeff Bezos' or Elon Musks' urine so it can be sprayed on Mars and they can claim it as theirs.
	🤖 6:36pm tim from washington: Can you stream WFMU on Mars? If not, that's a deal breaker.
	6:36pm coelacanth∅: Whywolf but the reality is everyone sent to mars will die there fairly quickly, so bozos will be out of our hair.
	6:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ' Famous astronomer Carl Sagan once wrote, "If there is life on Mars, I believe we should do nothing with Mars. Mars then belongs to the Martians, even if the Martians are only microbes." ' - & that, as DeGrasseTyson says - is the Cosmic Perspective.
	6:36pm Old Dave: Great proposal- you forgot Shatner. They'd need him there.
	6:37pm JeremyB: I'm stealing that GIF!
	6:37pm solo mon: Shat into space.
	6:37pm (((Murakami Whywolf): I resent noöne's becoming a billionaire: I just want every single human being to be one.
	6:37pm ultradamno: @tim I think there's a significant delay, but I think all radiowave make it there
	🤖 6:37pm Ken From Hyde Park: Simple, send Clay & Fabio along with a stack of records and DVDs.
	6:38pm RevErie: @RRNov63 I agree wholeheartedly
	🤖 6:38pm Handy Haversack: Jack, I'd only say, I guess, that in a scarcity economy built on oppression and waste and extractive capitalism, there's no reason to trust the powers that be with the money and power that reaching Mars would entail. Past the revolutionary singularity, past scarcity ... shouldn't we see what we can do? And given the world ... maybe we ought to see what faking it till we make it might mean? But yeah. I am in no current way arguing with your point.
	6:39pm Jack: Unfortunately the only way humans will stop sending people to Mars is when a lot of them die trying. You can bet the billionaires won't be going along for the ride.
	6:39pm ultradamno: As far as going there, I don't even want to go to the mojave or the salt flats
	🤖 6:39pm tim from washington: @ulradamno - that works for me!
	6:39pm coelacanth∅: nobody gets to be a billionaire by being a good person, and anyone who becomes a billionaire and remains one is automatically not a good person.
	6:39pm (Murakami Whywolf))): coelacanth∅: Well, I don't believe in capital punishment. Anyways, we're just matter and the forces governing it—no Destiny, no Marxian History, no Cosmic Justice—so if they play their cards carefully enough there's no reason they'd die quickly.
	🤖 6:40pm Handy Haversack: That ultradamno. He's always been such a breather!
	🤖 6:40pm Bas NL: I'm currently involved in a study of debris flows on Mars. We simulate these in a low pressure container with a martian atmosphere. Great results in that it confirms what can be seen by radar observations. In all a bit easier then actually going to Mars.
	6:40pm solo mon: I don’t even want to go to the grocery store, let alone Mars.
	🤖 6:41pm Handy Haversack: And you can stream WFMU, Bas!
	6:41pm solo mon: Coelacanthø- so true. You have to be screwing people over to get that much money.
	6:42pm Jack: Mars is a beautiful pristine world, sculpted by eons of wind (and water long ago) Look at the pictures from the rovers or the orbiters! The very concept of "terraforming" is sick!
	🤖 6:42pm Bas NL: No minor point Handy!
	6:43pm Kpx: @solo mon: what about going to the grocery store for a Mars bar.
	6:43pm timinoak: What of an underground living space?
	🤖 6:44pm Handy Haversack: If I could turn back time, I would go to the Mars Bar for a beer and some filth right now!
	🤖 6:44pm tim from washington: That's really cool, Bas.
	🤖 6:44pm PaulRobeson1920: motivation… 2 types of motivation…. What is motivating space travel? Ummm The Universe? what is that
	6:44pm Jack: @Handy - Aurora by KSR is a fantastic, and yet really mis-understood book.
	6:44pm full_english_breakfast: i immediately watched ren and stimpy "space madness" for the first time in like 30 years after hearing your comment mark... that takes me back, it is still hilarious!
	6:45pm coelacanth∅: the main thing that's outrageous about the idea, to me, is the enormous amount of earth resources wasted to do it, and the ongoing waste of resources to do it. for what, a few wealthy, selfish, egotistical scumbags?
	🤖 6:45pm Bas NL: It is -130°F cool, Tim! :)
	6:45pm timinoak: I'm way more into just making it work here in balance with our envoronment
	6:45pm Ignore Function: Spaceship Earth is a good documentary. A certain charlatan that's in the news today makes an appearance toward the end. No spoilers.
	6:45pm Andres: Unrelated to Mars I would recommend the Ren and Stimpy episode “Son of Stimpy” for your Christmas specials viewing.
	6:46pm solo mon: Cool simulation, God.
	🤖 6:46pm PaulRobeson1920: Buckminster Fuller popularized the Geodesic dome & his 1969 book “Spaceship Earth” is worth it. Pick it up baby
	🤖 6:46pm Handy Haversack: Techtonic is one of the absolutely crucial things I know of. It is an absolute gift. Please pledge if you can, Techyon Particles! Jack, I don't really know anyone's reaction but mine! Is there some misreading out there? I think it does some experimentation with the consciousness of the "novel's thinking" and the "narrator" that is unique and wonderful and more experimental than 99.9% of pomo "modern" literary fiction.
	🤖 6:47pm DjLorraine: Thanks for this show
	6:47pm ultradamno: Try out that Kitten Sparkles Germs special....damn good three hours
	6:47pm solo mon: The Mars bar is low.
	🤖 6:47pm tim from washington: Bas - ha! you ain't kidding.
	6:48pm ultradamno: Right here wfmu.org...
	🤖 6:48pm Handy Haversack: (PS: The kittens are fighting over my shoelaces!)
	6:48pm Kpx: Handy, if i could turn back Time - you say. Well maybe Cher can help you with that
	6:50pm (((Murakami Whywolf): Handy Haversack: That's the spirit. We don't still have poverty, war, and injustice because we went to the Moon, we have them because 0.) too many people believe that it's right that we have those, 1.) too many others believe that we can not eliminate them, and 2.) our technological level is still so risibly low that too many people are vindictive and/or religious enough to believe 0.) and that 1.) is either true or still so recently true that it's believable. Here's to the Machines of Loving Grace.
	6:50pm Jack: Handy, Aurora is an ecological novel, about Earth, even though it takes place on a interplanetary generation spaceship. It shows the complexity of our enviroment. KSR/Aurora has been critisized as being "anti-space travel" but more to the truth he's incredibly "pro-Earth".
	🤖 6:50pm chresti: Mars is just a ball of dirt, right?
	6:50pm solo mon: If we were stuck in space, I’d share my Mars Bar with you.
	6:51pm ultradamno: If you turn back time, I hear you find out Cher wasn't a VU fan
	🤖 6:51pm Handy Haversack: Agreed 100 percent, Murakami and Jack!
	🤖 6:51pm Handy Haversack: Moe is on it, though, ultradamno.
	6:51pm RevErie: thank you mark, for another great show
	🤖 6:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: Shackleton kept them moving forward. Into the unknown.
	🤖 6:52pm PaulRobeson1920: Pledge pledge pledge-for a satisfaction that lasts!! Forget those mayonnaise sandwiches, avoid the drug alcohol & the moving image and donate that hard earned $ to WFMU!!! Or not it’s ok
	🤖 6:52pm Bas NL: Yes @Chresti. Very cold and dry dirt.
	6:52pm Marci: Phone zombies
	🤖 6:52pm Wendy del Formaggio: TELL IT, MARK HURST!
	6:52pm (Murakami Whywolf))): Handy Haversack: Have fun with your new, alien friends! They're the best, they turn everything around them into the Forest/Desert Primeval when you see it through their eyes. (Also, they, like Lt Worf, are incredibly funny because they are _absolutely_serious_ about everything.)
	6:53pm solo mon: I love this show.
	6:53pm LiXiviated Life: Mark, The irony seems to be that our drive to connect to others has made us more isolated.
	6:53pm ultradamno: I'm holding out to see if we can colonize one of the gas giants.
	6:53pm Old Dave: Yes!
	6:53pm ARB: Wear it with a make-shift pantyhose sweater over the top so it can still be read
	🤖 6:53pm Handy Haversack: I wear mine with pride and to work and into space where I invite commentary on it! Techtonic is a gift of the highest order! Thanks so much, Mark! And thanks, Lauren and Katherine! Much, much appreciated.
	🤖 6:53pm PaulRobeson1920: Building a community that promotes The Good! In all things! Yes baby yes
	🤖 6:53pm Webhamster Henry: "There ain't room enough on this planet for both of us, so... off you go!" -- Duck Dodgers
	6:54pm Jackie G: Mark is so right. People and their phones. Even when parents take their babies for a walk they still stare at their phones rather than bonding with their beautiful child. And dog-walkers too. Same story. Very sad.
	6:54pm Roland from Australia: I wear my tech tonic shirt often I’m very proud of it.
	6:54pm coelacanth∅: ultra lets detour the mars mission to jupiter and find out if it supports life
	6:54pm LiXiviated Life: “The revelation will not be televised”
	6:55pm Ciggy: "What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach."
	🤖 6:55pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:55pm tim from washington: Thanks, Mark! Keep up the good work!
	🤖 6:55pm Handy Haversack: Better check the vaccination rates there first, coela.
	6:55pm hi: Is the Signoff T-Shirt sold out? I can't find it on the donation page where you pick your swag.
	🤖 6:55pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:56pm Stillwell Coney Islander: Thank you Mark
	6:56pm ultradamno: @coel or Saturn...I'd like a summer house on rings
	6:56pm Roland from Australia: I recall an older David Bowie saying he has no desire whatsoever to go to Mars :)
	6:56pm Sunny: It’s a shame that John K is a pedophile
	6:57pm Kpx: We're supposed to be doing something a little for the October fundraiser shows and you know we talked about running stimpy during the show and I found that when you get for macho and many of the other my other friends from the comic board our friend or a fans of friends sippy and in particular fans of that one episode that I if the episode called space madness now I don't have time
	6:57pm ultradamno: i.pinimg.com...
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: ooh that's a bit of heaven right there ultra! -a summer cottage
	6:58pm dave miss: Thanks Mark
	6:58pm Mark Hurst: @hi it's there! just click "1 DJ Premium" and the Techtonic t-shirt is in the "Monday" section.
	6:58pm coelacanth∅: Roland, i guess Bowie was in fact NOT a lad insane
	6:58pm Kpx: My phone just picked that up from the radio, so I thought I would just return some of Mark's words just for the heck of it.
	6:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark
	6:59pm Mark Hurst: @Kpx good one
	6:59pm (((Murakami Whywolf): The history of massacres, witch-burnings, and pogroms tell me that people with strong social bonds and without screens are _fully_ capable of acting like violent, hate-filled, louts. Group violence and hate exist in humans because they tend to _strengthen_ social bonds…and if you think Facebook is bad for creating terrible and terribly uniform ideas, just look at any mediæval village or Nineteenth Century shtetl. Technology is bad when it amplifies all that, true.
	6:59pm ultradamno: Did April March work on that one?
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: Yeah! Check Engine light is the scariest!
	7:00pm Jackie G: "relax, Cap'n"
	7:00pm McGroovey: I heard dead air during what was supposed to be Ren and Stimpy.
	7:00pm McGroovey: On 91.1
	7:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: TY DJ MH
	7:01pm Kpx: @Mark: thanks, but speech to text mangled up all of the words
	7:06pm Kpx: That was supposed to be, some of the words. Not all
	2:14am JJ NY-SC: What is the streaming service she was talking about? I don't see an ultiva or ultivad or anything like that.
	11:18am Mark Hurst: Altavod - the link is at the top of this page.
	1:51pm markinbrooklyn: comment for upcoming show: wow. facebook doubled down on creepiness with this meta move... Mark! please assure us that it ain't gonna work!!!!

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