WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from October 18, 2021

Listener comments!
	🤖 5:49pm Handy Haversack: I can't believe I'm going to miss ANOTHER call-in show! But K8 has a gig. So I'm having my pregig Techgin and thinking fondly of hearing the archives of Techtonic. Have fun storming the castle, Mark and all the Techyon Drives!
	6:00pm listener james from westwood: "The return of Call Screener Phil / Throwing darts in callers' eyes . . ."
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtontelecommunicators!
	🤖 6:02pm DjLorraine: It's here
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi techpeeps!
	6:02pm kevlicki: Why hello live listener chat board!
	🤖 6:02pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and techtoblasters! Make a pledge of Mark releases the hounds!
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Tanktonic!
	6:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: RobotMutt GunFace
	🤖 6:03pm DjLorraine: Techtonic is man's best friend
	🤖 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: [phone tank that is]
	🤖 6:05pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): hey, Mark! hey folx!
	🤖 6:05pm DjLorraine: A distraction technique someone mentioned.
	6:07pm TDK60: Hello Mark.
	6:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Mr. Pumpy - I pitch it somewhere between Disney's Pluto & H.R. Giger...
	6:08pm -Ken: Hi everybodies! Happy to be here. Happy to be anywhere
	6:08pm Erin in TO: Hello all!
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Special agent S.P.U.R. will smite thee enemies - www.sworddefense.com... I call him REX (Remote EXecutioner).
	6:10pm Erin in TO: Oh boy, this topic should bring some interesting calls
	6:11pm TDK60: I like the little records with the big holes. Good tech.
	6:13pm NeitherProNorCon: I am listening to your stream right now on my laptop, taking advantage of a great deal of productive advancements in tech that have taken place over the last two decades.
	🤖 6:14pm tim from washington: Hi Mark and crew! I'm excited to see/hear where today's show goes.
	🤖 6:14pm Webhamster Henry: That dog gun looks very crummily CGI'd, but they probably put a gun on it and didn't what to show what kind of gun.
	6:14pm ultradamno: Amazon indicates their business model twitter.com...
	6:15pm NeitherProNorCon: What does evil mean to you?
	6:15pm Erin in TO: I saw that pic of the gun-loaded robot dog earlier this week and could only shake my head sadly :(
	6:15pm Sam: A dog robot would presumably be even more unfeeling than a human robot.
	🤖 6:15pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hyundai purchased Boston Dynamics in December, 2020.
	6:16pm Sam: Have your robot dog spayed or neutered immediately
	🤖 6:16pm PaulRobeson1920: Hi Hi Hi all!!! Warm greetings from the Cab of a 14ft box truck on 6th ave and 30th
	🤖 6:16pm Webhamster Henry: Here's one of those Robot Doggy Dances so Mark doesn't have to link to it: www.youtube.com...
	6:16pm ultradamno: They could have them dance to that Stealer's Wheel song like Michael Madsen to make them more human
	6:16pm chris in the redwoods: evil = viscous (i.e the opposite of virtuous) hi, Mark and all. can't stay for the whole time, but hellos all around.
	6:17pm Tom from Stirling: Drones are robot birds.
	🤖 6:17pm tim from washington: That would really suck if you bought a robot dog then it booked out the door when you opened it and it ran away.
	🤖 6:18pm chresti: Robot dogs said that about China?
	6:18pm Sam: Ah, that takes me back to the sixties.
	6:18pm Tom from Stirling: Drones are robot birds.
	🤖 6:18pm Astro: Ruh ro, Rorge!
	6:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Cause who in the present Society could we not trust with a big metal dog w/ a massive Gun for a head.
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: And .. awww! teeny tiny seed like sensor robots that are only a little like that Black Mirror robot Bee episode. www.theverge.com...
	🤖 6:19pm chresti: That looks like Star Wars.
	6:19pm Sam: Yeah, the drones could also kill you even more easily.
	🤖 6:20pm DjLorraine: Tiiim from Washington
	🤖 6:20pm PaulRobeson1920: WFMU is trending in the South!
	6:20pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...surely only Good could possibly result by giving a big Gun legs & AI...
	6:20pm StringOFperils: The robot dog (first?) appears long ago in the text of Fahrenheit 451; it hunts the protagonist, armed with syringes.
	6:21pm StringOFperils: @Pumpy !
	6:21pm Sam: There’s only so many pianos you can drop on those things.
	6:21pm Erin in TO: @Revolution Rabbit the T-1000 agrees with you
	🤖 6:22pm Ken From Hyde Park: "We didn't program it to shoot you. We were hacked!"
	6:22pm Juli: I want to give up Social Media
	6:22pm Sam: Fahrenheit 451 also had people going to sleep with headphones on
	6:22pm Juli: Trying to just stop posting
	🤖 6:22pm DjLorraine: I don't want a real canine or mechanical replica attacking.
	6:23pm StringOFperils: I'm more afraid of the autonomous (!) stealth-fighter drone prototypes.
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: Robot dog, robot shmog... here's the robot snake: www.youtube.com...
	6:23pm The Butterman: That’s a spot on Fuckerburg impression!
	6:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: “People ask me to predict the future, when all I want to do is prevent it. Better yet, build it. Predicting the future is much too easy, anyway. You look at the people around you, the street you stand on, the visible air you breathe, and predict more of the same. To hell with more. I want better.” ― Ray Bradbury
	6:24pm shiloh in spirit: hi mark -- the first time i heard about this whole metaverse thing was when i read it in a teen novel called Ready Player One... the author is a hack.
	🤖 6:24pm chresti: They got to put a wig and bow on it so it looks friendly.
	🤖 6:24pm PaulRobeson1920: “Evil does not naturally dwell in the world, in events, or in people. Evil is a by-product of forgetfulness, laziness, or distraction: it arises when we lose sight of our true aim in life. When we remember that our aim is spiritual progress, we return to striving to be our best selves. This is how happiness is won.” — The Art of Living: The Classical Mannual on Virtue, Happiness, and Effectiveness by Epictetus—- Translation by Sharon Lebell
	6:24pm Tom from Stirling: Very good Mark Zuckerburg voice, Mark.
	6:25pm Godzilla: Godzilla versus Metaverse Godzilla
	6:25pm seedfriend: Snowcrash so good!
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: Snow crash was lots of fun!
	6:26pm bukowski.: yes! i immediately though of the the rat things in snow crash not being too dissimilar to the boston dynamics robo-gun-dogs
	6:26pm Juli: Thanks PaulRobeson1920
	6:26pm shiloh in spirit: haven't read snowcrash but it sounds really interesting
	🤖 6:26pm Ken From Hyde Park: Metta World Peace-iverse
	6:26pm Sam: “I never metaverse I didn’t like.” - William Shakespeare
	6:27pm Juli: Get a life pleeeaseeeee lol Good one Sam
	6:27pm Juli: VR? Boring
	🤖 6:27pm tim from washington: I've read one Neal Stephenson and really dug it. It as a luddite it was a fun eye opener to the world of modern video games.
	6:27pm ultradamno: Made a gif of it in honor of Dee Pop (RIP) twitter.com...
	6:28pm Sam: Of course they can’t do it in a suave 80’s announcer’s voice, it had to be that super whiny millennial vocal fry.
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: "pay me and maybe I'll tell you where the watch is"
	6:29pm TDK60: The small 'e' is disappearing. She says "tast" not test. Ick.
	6:29pm Juli: Why not just put a beep beep on it from an app HAHA wow
	🤖 6:29pm tim from washington: Wait a minute. Facebook couldn't come up with more updated back ground music? It sounds like a United Way PSA from 1997.
	6:29pm ultradamno: OK, I could do that to find grandma's watch but that would mean I'd have to stop contacting by Ouija board and she so looks forward to that.
	6:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Ah ha. The Safest possible thing.
	🤖 6:30pm Webhamster Henry: @Tim the audience is 1997 United Way contributors.
	6:30pm Feldy: "I can't tell you where your watch is, Dave"
	6:30pm mndave: "It just stands to reason" LOL
	6:30pm timinoak: St Anthony isn't going to like people using another way to find lost items.
	🤖 6:30pm tim from washington: Maybe, I stole grandma's watch and pawned it so I could by baseball cards. Did you observe that, Facebook?
	6:30pm Erin in TO: I have friends that have Amazon Alexa's in their homes, and they increasingly freak me out when I'm at their places
	6:31pm Feldy: It would've made Butch Coolidge's day better in Pulp Fiction
	6:31pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Cause no hack or outage has ever occurred to the Too Bugged to Fail.
	🤖 6:31pm tim from washington: @Webhamster - hahahahaha!
	6:31pm mndave: @timinoak You never know, FB may allow the user to have a "Hey, St Anthony!" voice prompt
	6:32pm Juli: St Anthony haha I was wondering who to ask thanks
	🤖 6:32pm chresti: Talking drawers, grandpa eventually throws everything outside.
	6:32pm choggie: Okay mark, you're scaring the shit outta of me now
	🤖 6:34pm Ken From Hyde Park: If the drawers were all equipped with cameras connected to the cloud, then you'd always know their contents. Problem solved!
	6:34pm Juli: Haha if only we could use Energy Checks for all things really
	🤖 6:37pm PaulRobeson1920: War is immoral…
	6:38pm Listener Robert: If Listener Steve hadn't been in the hospital recovering from his aortic valve replacement at the time, it could easily have been him calling in from the road asking the station to drag Bronwyn and Jim back.
	6:38pm timinoak: I'm really not into any tech, but junk drawers need something..
	6:39pm seedfriend: 100% dump him.
	6:39pm Erin in TO: I would accept a Mark Hurst dating show where he gives advice based on your partner's tech choices
	6:39pm Sam: How many couples have broken up because of Alexa?
	6:39pm Hopey Sockmonkey: yikes
	6:39pm mndave: taking notes
	🤖 6:40pm DjLorraine: War is not good for children And other living things
	6:41pm Skillet: Spike from East Orange here, thanks for taking my call and glad I passed the WFMU vibe check
	6:41pm Marci: @Erin in TO —yes!!
	6:41pm TDK60: They weren't wrong, they were liars.
	6:41pm P-90: […jotiing down a few notes on that dating advice]
	6:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Powell LIED. Wrong ain't the half of it.
	🤖 6:42pm tim from washington: Alexa listens to the date and and reports back to it's masters "Dammit! We lost another one to Techtonic"
	🤖 6:42pm PaulRobeson1920: “Whether or not it draws on new scientific research, technology is a branch of moral philosophy, not of science.”- Paul Goodman
	6:42pm ultradamno: I have to assume her boyfriend has her under surveillance and is already aware of that conversation
	6:42pm Listener Robert: I remember telling Steve when he got back that they had a new show, named something like "Tech Talk", in place of his beloved Bronwyn C. and Jim. And then he had a stroke, and couldn't bear to resume hemodialysis as an inpatient, and died.
	6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Not off topic in that the War Machine wagging the dog is part & parcel with the Militarization of Civil Society - which as we know is inseparable from AI like this dog here. But also Privacy issues & surveillance.
	6:46pm Mark in Montreal: hey, can someone post the date of the show about Hudson Yards, Sidewalk Labs, and surveillance? Would love to check that out.
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: @RR63 What bugs me is every piece of new tech is announced saying "this will help soldiers in the field!"
	6:47pm Skillet: “The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.” - W.B Yeats
	6:48pm ultradamno: The technology isn't neutral because it's the product of an aggressively amoral tech culture
	🤖 6:49pm PaulRobeson1920: War Is a Racket & Vietnam is America’s longest war (1954-1975)
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: "I don't have anything to hide" ... things to hide change second by second.
	🤖 6:49pm PaulRobeson1920: Profoundly immoral
	6:49pm TDK60: This "I don't have anything to hide" notion gets my goat. Sieg howdy.
	6:49pm ultradamno: The fish rots from the head, to put it another way.
	6:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...those Police with Tanks & Sound Cannons will never hurt the Good people...
	6:50pm timinoak: Amen Hurst
	🤖 6:50pm chresti: Agree it's a racket, PaulRobeson
	🤖 6:51pm Wendy del Formaggio: "An injury to one is an injury to all." That's why we should care about surveillance, even if we think we have nothing to hide. We should care because other people's oppression is amoral.
	6:51pm Doug in JC: Why is it always men who do the whole "nothing to hide" thing? Because women know how bad being stalked actually is
	6:52pm Juli: I think I can stop using social media and focus on myself and my website.
	6:52pm chris in the redwoods: Wendy, that's excellent! thank you.
	🤖 6:52pm Wendy del Formaggio: Word up, Doug in JC. Surveillance is especially horrifying for women in relationships with men, and Queer and trans children living with homo- or transphobic parents and caregivers.
	6:53pm Juli: It is a distraction
	6:53pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Often said - I'm too small & there's too much data to process for them to care. That, friends, is what AI is for. Then it's said - I Have Nothing to Hide. This presumes they are Fair & won't misrepresent things. Based on what evidence ?? Once you or anyone you really care about end up in Court & our System even once, you may sing a different tune.
	🤖 6:53pm Wendy del Formaggio: You're welcome, Chris in the Redwoods.
	6:53pm kevlicki: “ I have nothing to hide” so it’s a great idea to surveil everything I do, to better advertise to me. If there is satisfaction with the status quo, one will not agitate. If you think the world has reached perfection then you have nothing to hide….
	6:53pm Juli: I cover all the phone and computer cameras always…I use nail polish
	6:53pm timinoak: They're selling convenience and security.
	6:54pm Doug in JC: @juli I've been doing that since I saw mark zuckerberg do it!
	6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Essential to get across that what they're in it for & what you're in it for are Not the Same.
	6:54pm Juli: Doug doing what exactly?
	6:55pm Doug in JC: Covering up my cameras, juli
	6:56pm Tommy in Neversink: You know , you know , you know
	6:56pm Juli: Yeah I am done. I can walk away
	6:56pm Hopey Sockmonkey: It's all I can hear
	6:56pm ?: lost count of the you knows
	6:57pm Mark in Montreal: Surveillance capitalism.
	6:57pm Juli: Yeah I talk to the camera sometimes too and fuck w ppl 🤣
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: It should be illegal, recording people without their permission.
	6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: We were already a Surveilled Society from Cameras in every Store & Civic space. ~ Bill of Digital Rights ! ! ! ~
	6:58pm Juli: I love how much this show helps me move past social media
	🤖 6:58pm Wendy del Formaggio: Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Glistener MW: Thanks, Mark, Phil, and the awesome quality of (screened) callers! This was fun
	🤖 6:58pm tim from washington: Thanks Mark, callers, Phil and comments crew!
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: There are many fearful people that want to feel "safe" Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm Sam: If any of those robot dogs come near me I’m invoking Florida’s stand your ground law
	🤖 7:00pm PaulRobeson1920: Thank you Mark!!! Freeform is worth more than Gold! & can never be sold!!!! Thank you WFMU!
	7:02pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark
	9:45pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Quick note about call screening: if you don't get through, don't take it personally - we're doing our best to screen calls - just post your question here, or email it directly to me through the email form on this page. In any case, don't come on the comment board and loudly complain about "censorship" or start insulting the call screener - that's an immediate ban. Thanks to everyone who was cool about the comments & calls this evening - fun show!
	9:47pm Mark Hurst: @Mark in Montreal to your question about the Hudson Yards show - Aug 23, 2021 with Shannon Mattern here: www.wfmu.org...

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from October 18, 2021

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October 18, 2021: The return of call screener Phil

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Today: the return of call screener Phil

First, a comment on "connecting people," then "privacy," and now "the metaverse."

Via James Vincent: "Facebook wants to create AI systems that offer perfect memory — cataloguing not just what you say but the physical world around you. Such systems could be incredibly useful, of course, but have huge privacy implications." (More detail in The Verge article, "Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, and remember everything you do" (by James Vincent, Oct 14)

See also Big Tech’s latest misbehavior calls for action (by Mark Hurst, Oct 15)

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Artist	Track	Comments	Approx. start time
The return of call screener Phil as we discuss armed robot dogs and other bad ideas.
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Your calls "Your calls"		0:28:18 (Pop-up)
Reaktive EP	Voodoo God "Voodoo God" by "Reaktive EP"	https://ekoplekz.bandcamp.com/track/voodoo-god	0:56:38 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🤖 5:49pm Handy Haversack: I can't believe I'm going to miss ANOTHER call-in show! But K8 has a gig. So I'm having my pregig Techgin and thinking fondly of hearing the archives of Techtonic. Have fun storming the castle, Mark and all the Techyon Drives!
	6:00pm listener james from westwood: "The return of Call Screener Phil / Throwing darts in callers' eyes . . ."
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtontelecommunicators!
	🤖 6:02pm DjLorraine: It's here
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Hi techpeeps!
	6:02pm kevlicki: Why hello live listener chat board!
	🤖 6:02pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and techtoblasters! Make a pledge of Mark releases the hounds!
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: Tanktonic!
	6:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: RobotMutt GunFace
	🤖 6:03pm DjLorraine: Techtonic is man's best friend
	🤖 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: [phone tank that is]
	🤖 6:05pm Mx. Baba Bee (e/they): hey, Mark! hey folx!
	🤖 6:05pm DjLorraine: A distraction technique someone mentioned.
	6:07pm TDK60: Hello Mark.
	6:08pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Mr. Pumpy - I pitch it somewhere between Disney's Pluto & H.R. Giger...
	6:08pm -Ken: Hi everybodies! Happy to be here. Happy to be anywhere
	6:08pm Erin in TO: Hello all!
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Special agent S.P.U.R. will smite thee enemies - www.sworddefense.com... I call him REX (Remote EXecutioner).
	6:10pm Erin in TO: Oh boy, this topic should bring some interesting calls
	6:11pm TDK60: I like the little records with the big holes. Good tech.
	6:13pm NeitherProNorCon: I am listening to your stream right now on my laptop, taking advantage of a great deal of productive advancements in tech that have taken place over the last two decades.
	🤖 6:14pm tim from washington: Hi Mark and crew! I'm excited to see/hear where today's show goes.
	🤖 6:14pm Webhamster Henry: That dog gun looks very crummily CGI'd, but they probably put a gun on it and didn't what to show what kind of gun.
	6:14pm ultradamno: Amazon indicates their business model twitter.com...
	6:15pm NeitherProNorCon: What does evil mean to you?
	6:15pm Erin in TO: I saw that pic of the gun-loaded robot dog earlier this week and could only shake my head sadly :(
	6:15pm Sam: A dog robot would presumably be even more unfeeling than a human robot.
	🤖 6:15pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hyundai purchased Boston Dynamics in December, 2020.
	6:16pm Sam: Have your robot dog spayed or neutered immediately
	🤖 6:16pm PaulRobeson1920: Hi Hi Hi all!!! Warm greetings from the Cab of a 14ft box truck on 6th ave and 30th
	🤖 6:16pm Webhamster Henry: Here's one of those Robot Doggy Dances so Mark doesn't have to link to it: www.youtube.com...
	6:16pm ultradamno: They could have them dance to that Stealer's Wheel song like Michael Madsen to make them more human
	6:16pm chris in the redwoods: evil = viscous (i.e the opposite of virtuous) hi, Mark and all. can't stay for the whole time, but hellos all around.
	6:17pm Tom from Stirling: Drones are robot birds.
	🤖 6:17pm tim from washington: That would really suck if you bought a robot dog then it booked out the door when you opened it and it ran away.
	🤖 6:18pm chresti: Robot dogs said that about China?
	6:18pm Sam: Ah, that takes me back to the sixties.
	6:18pm Tom from Stirling: Drones are robot birds.
	🤖 6:18pm Astro: Ruh ro, Rorge!
	6:19pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Cause who in the present Society could we not trust with a big metal dog w/ a massive Gun for a head.
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: And .. awww! teeny tiny seed like sensor robots that are only a little like that Black Mirror robot Bee episode. www.theverge.com...
	🤖 6:19pm chresti: That looks like Star Wars.
	6:19pm Sam: Yeah, the drones could also kill you even more easily.
	🤖 6:20pm DjLorraine: Tiiim from Washington
	🤖 6:20pm PaulRobeson1920: WFMU is trending in the South!
	6:20pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...surely only Good could possibly result by giving a big Gun legs & AI...
	6:20pm StringOFperils: The robot dog (first?) appears long ago in the text of Fahrenheit 451; it hunts the protagonist, armed with syringes.
	6:21pm StringOFperils: @Pumpy !
	6:21pm Sam: There’s only so many pianos you can drop on those things.
	6:21pm Erin in TO: @Revolution Rabbit the T-1000 agrees with you
	🤖 6:22pm Ken From Hyde Park: "We didn't program it to shoot you. We were hacked!"
	6:22pm Juli: I want to give up Social Media
	6:22pm Sam: Fahrenheit 451 also had people going to sleep with headphones on
	6:22pm Juli: Trying to just stop posting
	🤖 6:22pm DjLorraine: I don't want a real canine or mechanical replica attacking.
	6:23pm StringOFperils: I'm more afraid of the autonomous (!) stealth-fighter drone prototypes.
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: Robot dog, robot shmog... here's the robot snake: www.youtube.com...
	6:23pm The Butterman: That’s a spot on Fuckerburg impression!
	6:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: “People ask me to predict the future, when all I want to do is prevent it. Better yet, build it. Predicting the future is much too easy, anyway. You look at the people around you, the street you stand on, the visible air you breathe, and predict more of the same. To hell with more. I want better.” ― Ray Bradbury
	6:24pm shiloh in spirit: hi mark -- the first time i heard about this whole metaverse thing was when i read it in a teen novel called Ready Player One... the author is a hack.
	🤖 6:24pm chresti: They got to put a wig and bow on it so it looks friendly.
	🤖 6:24pm PaulRobeson1920: “Evil does not naturally dwell in the world, in events, or in people. Evil is a by-product of forgetfulness, laziness, or distraction: it arises when we lose sight of our true aim in life. When we remember that our aim is spiritual progress, we return to striving to be our best selves. This is how happiness is won.” — The Art of Living: The Classical Mannual on Virtue, Happiness, and Effectiveness by Epictetus—- Translation by Sharon Lebell
	6:24pm Tom from Stirling: Very good Mark Zuckerburg voice, Mark.
	6:25pm Godzilla: Godzilla versus Metaverse Godzilla
	6:25pm seedfriend: Snowcrash so good!
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: Snow crash was lots of fun!
	6:26pm bukowski.: yes! i immediately though of the the rat things in snow crash not being too dissimilar to the boston dynamics robo-gun-dogs
	6:26pm Juli: Thanks PaulRobeson1920
	6:26pm shiloh in spirit: haven't read snowcrash but it sounds really interesting
	🤖 6:26pm Ken From Hyde Park: Metta World Peace-iverse
	6:26pm Sam: “I never metaverse I didn’t like.” - William Shakespeare
	6:27pm Juli: Get a life pleeeaseeeee lol Good one Sam
	6:27pm Juli: VR? Boring
	🤖 6:27pm tim from washington: I've read one Neal Stephenson and really dug it. It as a luddite it was a fun eye opener to the world of modern video games.
	6:27pm ultradamno: Made a gif of it in honor of Dee Pop (RIP) twitter.com...
	6:28pm Sam: Of course they can’t do it in a suave 80’s announcer’s voice, it had to be that super whiny millennial vocal fry.
	🤖 6:29pm Webhamster Henry: "pay me and maybe I'll tell you where the watch is"
	6:29pm TDK60: The small 'e' is disappearing. She says "tast" not test. Ick.
	6:29pm Juli: Why not just put a beep beep on it from an app HAHA wow
	🤖 6:29pm tim from washington: Wait a minute. Facebook couldn't come up with more updated back ground music? It sounds like a United Way PSA from 1997.
	6:29pm ultradamno: OK, I could do that to find grandma's watch but that would mean I'd have to stop contacting by Ouija board and she so looks forward to that.
	6:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Ah ha. The Safest possible thing.
	🤖 6:30pm Webhamster Henry: @Tim the audience is 1997 United Way contributors.
	6:30pm Feldy: "I can't tell you where your watch is, Dave"
	6:30pm mndave: "It just stands to reason" LOL
	6:30pm timinoak: St Anthony isn't going to like people using another way to find lost items.
	🤖 6:30pm tim from washington: Maybe, I stole grandma's watch and pawned it so I could by baseball cards. Did you observe that, Facebook?
	6:30pm Erin in TO: I have friends that have Amazon Alexa's in their homes, and they increasingly freak me out when I'm at their places
	6:31pm Feldy: It would've made Butch Coolidge's day better in Pulp Fiction
	6:31pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Cause no hack or outage has ever occurred to the Too Bugged to Fail.
	🤖 6:31pm tim from washington: @Webhamster - hahahahaha!
	6:31pm mndave: @timinoak You never know, FB may allow the user to have a "Hey, St Anthony!" voice prompt
	6:32pm Juli: St Anthony haha I was wondering who to ask thanks
	🤖 6:32pm chresti: Talking drawers, grandpa eventually throws everything outside.
	6:32pm choggie: Okay mark, you're scaring the shit outta of me now
	🤖 6:34pm Ken From Hyde Park: If the drawers were all equipped with cameras connected to the cloud, then you'd always know their contents. Problem solved!
	6:34pm Juli: Haha if only we could use Energy Checks for all things really
	🤖 6:37pm PaulRobeson1920: War is immoral…
	6:38pm Listener Robert: If Listener Steve hadn't been in the hospital recovering from his aortic valve replacement at the time, it could easily have been him calling in from the road asking the station to drag Bronwyn and Jim back.
	6:38pm timinoak: I'm really not into any tech, but junk drawers need something..
	6:39pm seedfriend: 100% dump him.
	6:39pm Erin in TO: I would accept a Mark Hurst dating show where he gives advice based on your partner's tech choices
	6:39pm Sam: How many couples have broken up because of Alexa?
	6:39pm Hopey Sockmonkey: yikes
	6:39pm mndave: taking notes
	🤖 6:40pm DjLorraine: War is not good for children And other living things
	6:41pm Skillet: Spike from East Orange here, thanks for taking my call and glad I passed the WFMU vibe check
	6:41pm Marci: @Erin in TO —yes!!
	6:41pm TDK60: They weren't wrong, they were liars.
	6:41pm P-90: […jotiing down a few notes on that dating advice]
	6:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Powell LIED. Wrong ain't the half of it.
	🤖 6:42pm tim from washington: Alexa listens to the date and and reports back to it's masters "Dammit! We lost another one to Techtonic"
	🤖 6:42pm PaulRobeson1920: “Whether or not it draws on new scientific research, technology is a branch of moral philosophy, not of science.”- Paul Goodman
	6:42pm ultradamno: I have to assume her boyfriend has her under surveillance and is already aware of that conversation
	6:42pm Listener Robert: I remember telling Steve when he got back that they had a new show, named something like "Tech Talk", in place of his beloved Bronwyn C. and Jim. And then he had a stroke, and couldn't bear to resume hemodialysis as an inpatient, and died.
	6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Not off topic in that the War Machine wagging the dog is part & parcel with the Militarization of Civil Society - which as we know is inseparable from AI like this dog here. But also Privacy issues & surveillance.
	6:46pm Mark in Montreal: hey, can someone post the date of the show about Hudson Yards, Sidewalk Labs, and surveillance? Would love to check that out.
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: @RR63 What bugs me is every piece of new tech is announced saying "this will help soldiers in the field!"
	6:47pm Skillet: “The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.” - W.B Yeats
	6:48pm ultradamno: The technology isn't neutral because it's the product of an aggressively amoral tech culture
	🤖 6:49pm PaulRobeson1920: War Is a Racket & Vietnam is America’s longest war (1954-1975)
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: "I don't have anything to hide" ... things to hide change second by second.
	🤖 6:49pm PaulRobeson1920: Profoundly immoral
	6:49pm TDK60: This "I don't have anything to hide" notion gets my goat. Sieg howdy.
	6:49pm ultradamno: The fish rots from the head, to put it another way.
	6:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...those Police with Tanks & Sound Cannons will never hurt the Good people...
	6:50pm timinoak: Amen Hurst
	🤖 6:50pm chresti: Agree it's a racket, PaulRobeson
	🤖 6:51pm Wendy del Formaggio: "An injury to one is an injury to all." That's why we should care about surveillance, even if we think we have nothing to hide. We should care because other people's oppression is amoral.
	6:51pm Doug in JC: Why is it always men who do the whole "nothing to hide" thing? Because women know how bad being stalked actually is
	6:52pm Juli: I think I can stop using social media and focus on myself and my website.
	6:52pm chris in the redwoods: Wendy, that's excellent! thank you.
	🤖 6:52pm Wendy del Formaggio: Word up, Doug in JC. Surveillance is especially horrifying for women in relationships with men, and Queer and trans children living with homo- or transphobic parents and caregivers.
	6:53pm Juli: It is a distraction
	6:53pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Often said - I'm too small & there's too much data to process for them to care. That, friends, is what AI is for. Then it's said - I Have Nothing to Hide. This presumes they are Fair & won't misrepresent things. Based on what evidence ?? Once you or anyone you really care about end up in Court & our System even once, you may sing a different tune.
	🤖 6:53pm Wendy del Formaggio: You're welcome, Chris in the Redwoods.
	6:53pm kevlicki: “ I have nothing to hide” so it’s a great idea to surveil everything I do, to better advertise to me. If there is satisfaction with the status quo, one will not agitate. If you think the world has reached perfection then you have nothing to hide….
	6:53pm Juli: I cover all the phone and computer cameras always…I use nail polish
	6:53pm timinoak: They're selling convenience and security.
	6:54pm Doug in JC: @juli I've been doing that since I saw mark zuckerberg do it!
	6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Essential to get across that what they're in it for & what you're in it for are Not the Same.
	6:54pm Juli: Doug doing what exactly?
	6:55pm Doug in JC: Covering up my cameras, juli
	6:56pm Tommy in Neversink: You know , you know , you know
	6:56pm Juli: Yeah I am done. I can walk away
	6:56pm Hopey Sockmonkey: It's all I can hear
	6:56pm ?: lost count of the you knows
	6:57pm Mark in Montreal: Surveillance capitalism.
	6:57pm Juli: Yeah I talk to the camera sometimes too and fuck w ppl 🤣
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: It should be illegal, recording people without their permission.
	6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: We were already a Surveilled Society from Cameras in every Store & Civic space. ~ Bill of Digital Rights ! ! ! ~
	6:58pm Juli: I love how much this show helps me move past social media
	🤖 6:58pm Wendy del Formaggio: Thanks, Mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Glistener MW: Thanks, Mark, Phil, and the awesome quality of (screened) callers! This was fun
	🤖 6:58pm tim from washington: Thanks Mark, callers, Phil and comments crew!
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: There are many fearful people that want to feel "safe" Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm Sam: If any of those robot dogs come near me I’m invoking Florida’s stand your ground law
	🤖 7:00pm PaulRobeson1920: Thank you Mark!!! Freeform is worth more than Gold! & can never be sold!!!! Thank you WFMU!
	7:02pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark
	9:45pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone! Quick note about call screening: if you don't get through, don't take it personally - we're doing our best to screen calls - just post your question here, or email it directly to me through the email form on this page. In any case, don't come on the comment board and loudly complain about "censorship" or start insulting the call screener - that's an immediate ban. Thanks to everyone who was cool about the comments & calls this evening - fun show!
	9:47pm Mark Hurst: @Mark in Montreal to your question about the Hudson Yards show - Aug 23, 2021 with Shannon Mattern here: www.wfmu.org...

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