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Favoriting November 16, 2020: Ben Tarnoff and Moira Weigel, editors, "Voices from the Valley"

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Tonight: Ben Tarnoff and Moira Weigel, editors, "Voices from the Valley: Tech Workers Talk About What They Do--and How They Do It"

Interview pointers:

Voices from the Valley: Tech Workers Talk About What They Do--and How They Do It, edited by Ben Tarnoff and Moira Weigel

Logic Magazine, co-founded by Ben and Moira

• On Twitter: @BenTarnoff and @MoiraGWeigel

FSG Originals × Logic: book series including What Tech Calls Thinking by Adrian Daub, Subprime Attention Crisis by Tim Hwang, and Blockchain Chicken Farm by Xiaowei Wang - as well as Ben and Moira's Voices from the Valley.

JavaScript is for Girls (by Miriam Posner in Logic Magazine, March 15, 2017): "I've noticed something strange: the women who are so assiduously learning to code seem to be devaluing certain tech roles simply by occupying them."

When Computers Were Women (by Jennifer Light in Technology and Culture, July 1999)

Programmed Inequality by Mar Hicks

Clive Thompson on the April 25, 2019 Techtonic

• Ben and Moira also mention Vivian Gornick and Studs Terkel as inspirations.

Tech news:

Amazon's Ring has recalled 350,000 smart doorbells in the US after some of them caught fire (Business Insider, Nov 11): "Amazon-owned Ring is recalling 350,000 smart doorbells in the US after reports of some of them catching fire, giving eight people minor burns."

The Hot New Covid Tech Is Wearable and Constantly Tracks You (by Natasha Singer, NYT, Nov 15, 2020): "Many employers and colleges have adopted virus screening tools like symptom-checking apps and temperature-scanning cameras. But they are not designed to catch the estimated 40 percent of people with Covid-19 infections who may never develop symptoms like fevers."



Zoom lied to users about end-to-end encryption for years, FTC says (Ars Technica, Nov 9, 2020): "Despite promising end-to-end encryption, the FTC said that 'Zoom maintained the cryptographic keys that could allow Zoom to access the content of its customers' meetings, and secured its Zoom Meetings, in part, with a lower level of encryption than promised.'"

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Listener comments!

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ultradamno:

Mark! Tecendiary Doorbells!
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listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark and all!
  6:02pm
Roland from Australia:

Good morning from Oz, would love to chat about technology in education at some point to the future. The way universities are going right now?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Webhamster Henry:

Hi Mark & Skelectronics!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
listener james from westwood:

Glad to see Mar Hicks's book there; just finished it last month—vexing WTFery on the part of Brits long gone by.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:03pm
Handy Haversack:

Mark and the Techyon drives! Hello! I was feeding the meatspace monsters.
  6:04pm
David in London:

Evening Technoids. Greetings Mark.
Ultradamno! Webhamster!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
ultradamno:

Hiya DiL!
  6:05pm
David in London:

Yo, Handu.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:05pm
Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Techtonicals!
Avatar 6:07pm
TDK60:

Hi Mark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
tim from champaign (now washington):

That gets in to Music For Mind Control territory.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:07pm
Bas NL:

Tecendiary Doorbells.. great one @ultradamno.
  6:08pm
kevlicki:

Hey mark and my fellow technocontradictions
Popping in for a moment but forgot my headphones so it’ll be tough to listen while grocery shopping...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:08pm
ultradamno:

Thank you Bas
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi Bas, ultra, kevlicki, Tim, DiL, Handy, James, Webham, and Roland!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Mark Hurst:

@Roland good idea. I have been thinking about an edu-show & I have an initial idea of who to talk to... stay tuned
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:10pm
Mark Hurst:

@TDK welcome to you, too! And congrats on winning Joe B's quiz this morning on Wake!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
tim from champaign (now washington):

What formats have this book been printed in?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Mark Hurst:

@ultra Tecendiary Doorbells... good one - I hope I have time to get to that news story this evening.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:11pm
Webhamster Henry:

"Write once, run forever (and fire your programmers)" is the seminal myth of technology.
  6:12pm
?:

A search for "Tecendiary" returned only this hit: Full text of "FBI Documents on Richard "Dick" Claxton Gregory"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Techtrarians
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melinda:

hi gang
  6:13pm
hoeg:

memes on point tonight :D
interesting take on big tech market disruption on radio4 earlier:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000pfdq
Avatar 6:13pm
Fredericks:

Maybe try Google?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:13pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi @Rabbit, @?, @melinda, @hoeg, @Fredericks
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Fredericks:

Hey there, Mark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
Bas NL:

Programming used to be all about 'gosub', which sounded rightfully humbling.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
tim from champaign (now washington):

I'm really good at failing. How come I don't make billions?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Webhamster Henry:

The TV series "Halt and Catch Fire" is pretty much how the industry operates still!
  6:17pm
hoeg:

you need to persuade more people to invest in your failure tim ;)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:18pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Failing up ??
...Yer saying Drumpf shoulda done Tech ?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

'Freud never cured anyone.'
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
tim from champaign (now washington):

Dammit! I failed again, hoeg.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
ultradamno:

I worry Silicon Valley wasn't that much of a caricature
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Webhamster Henry:

Where ARE those old programmers? Raising hand.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
melinda:

omg I laughed out loud at 'where do all the old ones go'
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
tim from champaign (now washington):

They end up at the sports bar in the strip mall.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:21pm
Mark Hurst:

@Webham bingo
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
Mark Hurst:

@ultra it wasn't
  6:22pm
northguineahills:

(Mid 40:s)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:22pm
melinda:

@Henry haha, they go to the FMU comments board
  6:22pm
Ed:

HA! U think tech has ageism? try working in Advertising!
  6:23pm
Ed:

Love the show BTW
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Mark Hurst:

@Ed thanks. no doubt ageism is pervasive across many industries
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:24pm
Mark Hurst:

@ngh welcome
  6:24pm
northguineahills:

I once made the mistake of talking to some kids about an geo app I was working on at a bar. The next weekend. I saw an app launched w/ the same concept. There went hundreds of hours. Ageism is real in tech.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:25pm
Mark Hurst:

"move fast and steal things"
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:26pm
Bas NL:

By now people have made millions from tech ideas i let slip..
  6:28pm
Dean:

Interesting perspective on tech history, a New Yorker article from Dec. '81 I remember reading at the time. I found Minsky rather disturbing.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1981/12/14/a-i
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:29pm
Webhamster Henry:

I keep hoping other people will steal my ideas, but end up having to do them myself.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Webhamster Henry:

The important tech roles are QA, test creation, UX, library work, and tech writing.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:31pm
Webhamster Henry:

I contend that the actual coding will go away sooner than you think.
  6:32pm
northguineahills:

Java and Python are my bread and butter (when employed).
  6:32pm
Ed:

Interesting article, Dean. This show reminds me of some of the dystopia that used to be covered in the old Processed World Magazine.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
Webhamster Henry:

Thanks for the related link list, Mark.
  6:34pm
northguineahills:

I can attest my partner is more detailed OCD then I. (I’m an idea person, she’s a detail oriented person),
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:34pm
Mark Hurst:

@Webham sure thing, glad you find it helpful
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:35pm
Webhamster Henry:

The best schadenfreudlische reading in DotCom days was fuckedcompany.com .
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
melinda:

what a load of horseshit
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:42pm
tim from champaign (now washington):

What is the job description of a Story Teller?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:43pm
Handy Haversack:

Ha, what melinda said!
  6:45pm
northguineahills:

@henry: schadenfreudlische, word of the day!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:46pm
tim from champaign (now washington):

The Story Teller reminds me of the person who works on image and branding which is usually someone full of themselves and full of shit too.
  6:46pm
ignatatus666:

I truly misunderstood Radio Ravioli
I thought she said the sex worker industry
I was like ????
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:48pm
Handy Haversack:

We're taking off a bit early tonight, so I will once again instantiate my continuous and uninterrupted thanks for what you're doing, Mark.

Techyons, be well and never trust nobody with a keyboard!

L8r, sk8rs.
Avatar 6:49pm
TDK60:

Yes mucho thanks, Mark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Buggers, I was taking a techto-nap and missed most of the proceedings.
  6:52pm
ignatatus666:

The Wuhan/Hong Kong bracelet
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
Webhamster Henry:

oooo! ALGORITHMS!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:55pm
Scott Williams:

Eat-Z Pass
  6:55pm
ignatatus666:

Legend has it all you need is the Covid shot because it has a microchip
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
ultradamno:

I would have thought the exploding battery issues would have been settle by now after the Samsung phone lawsuites
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Bas NL:

Mark, my hack informs me your blood pressure and heart rate are rising.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
Webhamster Henry:

I had a creepy iOS app that also tries to do emotion detection via speech. Moodies. Not in the store anymore though.
  6:57pm
Aaron:

Jeff Zients co-chairing Biden's transition team, former Facebook board member -in Politico today
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
tim from champaign (now washington):

Thanks, Mark!
  6:58pm
David in London:

‘Take that bio button and hurl it.’ A slogan for our age.
Thanks Mark.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! And thanks store minders!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Great chat tonight.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
Webhamster Henry:

Thanks! now to hide for another week.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 7:01pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Just do nothing; it is impossible.
Can do, chief!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:02pm
ultradamno:

If it had been the 'sex work' show as ignatatus666 heard that song would have been "twerkin' for a living"
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