WFMU: Sounds Under 64 Not Allowed with Jan Turkenburg: Playlist from July 2, 2020

Listener comments!
	10:02am Listener Bob in PGH: I'm here at the beginning! I need this today, it's been worse than usual at work lately.
	10:02am WR: Hi hi Jan and all streamers allowed over under 64.
	10:02am Jan Turkenburg: I'm so sorry to hear that, Bob. Glad you're here!
	10:02am Jan Turkenburg: Hi WR!
	10:03am Martinibomb: Hi Jan and WR -- I maybe wrong is WR = marco?
	10:03am Jan Turkenburg: Hope you're ok, WR
	10:04am Jan Turkenburg: Hi MB, no Marco would be WM ;-)
	10:07am Martinibomb: Ahhh Right Hahah
	10:07am WR: Listener Bob, sorry to hear that. Similar no fun work day here. I now need to write an email that I neglected to follow all change request procedures in my haste to implement a past due directive. Another win for followers of procedures over those try to do their job.
	10:09am chresti: Morning Jan, over/unders..
	10:10am Jan Turkenburg: Hi chresti. Everything ok?
	10:12am Otis Fodder: Morning Jan and fellow soundies
	10:14am Rich in Washington: Hi Jan! Hi everybody!
	10:15am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Otis, Hi Rich How's life?
	10:15am Listener Bob in PGH: The one thing I learned in my one college level chemistry course was to easily convert Celsius to Fahrenheit. C * 1.8 + 32 = F. So 20 C. would be 68 F. Very nice weather indeed!
	10:15am WR: Teddy, as in Theodore Roosevelt, after whom was named the bear. This recording in 1909, so quite current with the follow up to the incident inspiring it. en.wikipedia.org...
	10:16am chresti: Okee dokee, Jan, just waking up.
	10:16am Otis Fodder: @Jan - Working away, while you soundtrack my day.
	10:17am Jan Turkenburg: Thanks for the link WR, I'll include it in the playlist.
	10:22am Lizardner Dave 2: Good morning (US East Coast), sorry I'm late.
	10:22am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Dave!
	10:41am Linda Lee: hello Jan! busy but listening! :-)
	10:41am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Linda! Good to know!
	10:42am Linda Lee: i love these sounds. thanks so much for playing music for us.
	10:42am Jan Turkenburg: :-)
	10:48am Linda Lee: this Bessie Smith track is a lifetime favorite! :-)
	10:49am Jan Turkenburg: This particular rendition, or the song in general?
	10:53am Linda Lee: i love her recording.
	10:53am zivilars: Hi everybody, hi Jan! Glad I can join today's show
	10:53am Linda Lee: this Harmonians track is realyt lovely too. hi zivilars!
	10:53am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Zivilars!!!
	10:54am zivilars: Good to see you two! (and the others too, of course)
	10:56am Otis Fodder: Hello again Jan, hi!
	10:57am Jan Turkenburg: :-)
	10:58am solo mon: Good day everyone!
	10:59am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Solomon! (nervous?)
	11:00am solo mon: Hi Jan! YES!
	11:00am zivilars: @solo mon: Have fun later! I'll get ice cream to eat while listening!
	11:01am Jan Turkenburg: We have your back, Solomon!
	11:03am solo mon: Today we are having a "soft opening" - we are open for business but not fully functional yet. Thank you Jan!
	11:04am Otis Fodder: Eye Scream for Creme de la Creme at 2pm Eastern today... solo at home, listening to solo.
	11:04am chresti: Hi and congrats, solo mon!
	11:04am Listener Bob in PGH: @solo mon: so that would be soft serve instead of ice cream then? :-)
	11:05am solo mon: @listenerbob Nailed it!
	11:06am solo mon: Jan you are so sweet! You get an extra cherry on your Sundae!
	11:07am solo mon: Hi Otis, Chresty! xoxoxoxo
	11:07am solo mon: I LOVE this show, JAN.
	11:08am Jan Turkenburg: :-)
	11:13am joe: 'ello folks
	11:14am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Joe!
	11:16am Martinibomb: ┌───┐░░░░░░░░┌┐░░░░░░░░░░ │┌─┐│░░░░░░░░││░░░░░░░░░░ │└─┘├─┬┬┐┌┬──┤│░░░░░░░░░░ │┌──┤┌┼┤└┘│┌┐││░░░with░░░░ ││░░│││││││┌┐│└┐░░░░░DJ░░ └┘░░└┘└┴┴┴┴┘└┴─┘░░Solo Mon ┌──┐░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ └┤├┘░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ ░││┌──┬──┐┌──┬─┬──┬──┬┐┌┐ ░│││┌─┤│─┤│┌─┤┌┤│─┤┌┐│└┘│ ┌┤├┤└─┤│─┤│└─┤│││─┤┌┐││││ └──┴──┴──┘└──┴┘└──┴┘└┴┴┴┘ Every Thurs 2-4p on Sheenas Jungle
	11:18am Jan Turkenburg: . ...../ ) .....' / ---' (_____ ......... ((__) ..... _ ((___) ....... -'((__) --.___((_)
	11:18am chresti: Oh good, I can tune in at 2
	11:28am Ursula1000: hello Junglistas!
	11:28am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Ursula1000!
	11:28am Martinibomb: ░░█▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀█ ██▀▀▀██▀▀▀▀▀▀██▀▀▀██ █▒▒▒▒▒█▒▀▀▀▀▒█▒▒▒▒▒█ █▒▒▒▒▒█▒████▒█▒▒▒▒▒█ ██▄▄▄██▄▄▄▄▄▄██▄▄▄██ Sounds Spectacular w/Ursula 1000
	11:29am Ursula1000: got some goodies in store!
	11:30am Martinibomb: and you've got a new show neighbor today
	11:32am WR: Jan, your mic is open, we heard you sing pom pomp pom at the end of the last tune.
	11:32am Rich in Washington: This is lovely.
	11:32am Ursula1000: are you doing BC's spot MB?
	11:33am Martinibomb: Nope. DJ Solo Mon is starting his new show after your show today @ursula
	11:33am Ursula1000: oh right!!!!! nice!
	11:35am Linda Lee: removing statues removes awareness of history. that's all. just my opinion also.
	11:35am Martinibomb: I definitely thinking getting rid of some statues is called for. All the southern civil war heroes should just go. Put them in a museum w/context if people really want to save em.
	11:37am Martinibomb: I certainly think all the clearly racists statues they erected during the civil rights movement should be gone for sure since those were put up in retaliation to civil rights
	11:37am Martinibomb: Someone might be able to make an argument for the ones they put up early after the war.. but the ones put up in the 40s/50s/60s should go
	11:38am Listener Bob in PGH: I completely agree with you MB!
	11:39am Ursula1000: exactly MB---relocate them. People don't need to be driving past these relics reminding them of oppressive times.
	11:39am Martinibomb: Why are there no statues of Hitler around? I'd follow that example - as far as what we do with folks like that.
	11:40am Ursula1000: Spain got rid of Francisco Franco statues
	11:40am Jan Turkenburg: I was talking with the dutch situation in mind. I don't know enough about the American Civil war to say something wise.
	11:40am spodiodi: good morning/evening, Jan and everyone!
	11:41am Martinibomb: ^hah Yeh I kinda figured you had that more in mind sorry to hijack @Jan :-)
	11:41am joe: Unfortunately most statues that are being discussed are not erected to point out the bad or misfortune acts that someone committed they are erected as a manner of celebration. To continue to have the present states that are for which they are erected still feels that the subject should still be seen in a favorable light. I do agree to get rid of them is and attempt to whit wash history (no pun) and they shoudl be put somewhere to point out that unfortunate history has happened and that a second unfortunate thing has happened in that a large group felt it was ok to honor this.
	11:41am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Spodiodi
	11:42am Martinibomb: @joe exactly put them somewhere for discussion but they are not to be celebrated
	11:43am zivilars: Hey, I know that in German – "Das kann doch einen Seemann nicht erschüttern ..." Love it!
	11:43am Jan Turkenburg: In some Dutch towns, they are planning on moving certain statues to musea.
	11:44am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, Zivilar, we were very good in stealing German and English songs!
	11:44am joe: As someone who especially in my youth cared more about what ever the powers that be didn't want me to see we certainly do not want to hide them. But we also don't want to give the impression that the collective we are ok with celebrating the actions of someone that should not be celebrated.
	11:45am zivilars: @Jan: :) Stealing English songs and making terrible German versions out of it is our core compentence, too
	11:48am zivilars: @Jan: Do you own a shellack player?
	11:48am BC Sterrett: Morning everyone :)
	11:49am Jan Turkenburg: Hi BC!
	11:49am Linda Lee: here's the thing: where do we draw the line on 'disappearing' genocidal colonialists? this isn't being determined, but most every statesman or industrialist or military commander has blood on their hands. are they all coming down?
	11:49am Linda Lee: or is the choice political?
	11:50am Jan Turkenburg: I have a portable grammophone like this Zivilars: wfmu.org...
	11:53am zivilars: @Jan: Looks awesome. I only own one shellack recording and am afraid my pockets wouldn't be nearly deep enough for this additional collection hobby, but having a shellack player and shellacks must be so awesome ... Saw a documentary about Robert Crumb and his shellack collection, really impressive ...
	11:53am joe: @linda lee your point is well taken. But I think when it comes to the statues honoring the confederacy there is a pretty clear line. Forgoing the obvious reasons for the issue can anyone else tell me of a situation where there a state mandated honor is paid to a losing army?
	11:53am zivilars: Does the shellac needle really destroy those records very quickly after a few listenings? Or do you use softer needles for that?
	11:55am Jan Turkenburg: @Zivilars, it's more the other way round. I have to change needles after 5 or 6 records, but there is a big variety in needles. I just became memebre of a dutch society of shellac lovers and hope to learn more soon.
	11:55am WR: Good points Joe. History shouldn't be erased but no celebration of despicable actions. Flags and street names should represent what we try to be as a people of today. Taking down every statue of every president before Roosevelt except Lincoln misses needed opportunity for education regarding misdeeds of the past. The scar and wound of slavery in the development of the USA and Europe needs to be fully acknowledged. Sorry for the rant, particularly here.
	11:56am spodiodi: thanks, Jan!
	11:57am zivilars: @Jan: Sounds so great, would join this, but I guess I'm already broke by buying too much normal boring vinyl :)
	11:57am Otis Fodder: Nice sounds this morning Jan, see you on the flipside.
	11:58am Linda Lee: what beautiful records these last were! thank you Jan!
	11:59am Lizardner Dave 2: Thanks Jan, both for the music and the thoughtful discussion.
	11:59am chresti: Thanks Jan!
	11:59am Linda Lee: unity first. division is self-defeating for the people. let's remember this first.
	11:59am BC Sterrett: Thanks Jan! Keep things rolling here next!www.wfmu.org...
	12:00pm WR: We should discuss further regarding listening and playing "black face" recordings. Thank you Jan! Thank you all!
	12:01pm Jan Turkenburg: agree WR

Sounds Under 64 Not Allowed with Jan Turkenburg: Playlist from July 2, 2020

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Artist	Track	Year	Comments	Images	Approx. start time
Rhythm Club (NL)	If I Had You (tune)	1949			0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Pia Beck	Pia's Boogie "Pia's Boogie" by "Pia Beck"	1958			0:01:09 (Pop-up)
Al Dexter & his Troopers	Pistol Packin' Mama	1942			0:04:06 (Pop-up)
American Symphony Orchestra	Teddy Bear's Picnic	1909	THIS is how Teddy Bear got it's name:		0:06:49 (Pop-up)
Vrij En Blij	Dat Is Geen Kunst "Dat Is Geen Kunst" by "Vrij En Blij"	1950			0:14:06 (Pop-up)
Joseph Moskowitz cymbalom	Argentine Dance (Tango Argentino	1916			0:16:41 (Pop-up)
Billy Monk's New Rhythm Band	Hanky Panky	1942			0:20:07 (Pop-up)
American Symphony Orchestra	Whistlers (Frühlingsluft)	1909			0:24:44 (Pop-up)
Ramblers	Flip De Fluiter "Flip De Fluiter" by "Ramblers"	1939	(Tonette Trio)		0:27:01 (Pop-up)
Bob Haring	Melody That Made You Mine	1925			0:29:20 (Pop-up)
Ada Jones & Chorus	Why Is The Ocean So Near The Shore	1914			0:33:45 (Pop-up)
Frank C Stanley	When The Bell In The Lighthouse Rings	1910			0:36:59 (Pop-up)
Renati de Luitzanger	Scheveningsche Pier	1903			0:40:53 (Pop-up)
Edison Mixed Quartet	Bright Forever	1910			0:45:16 (Pop-up)
Bessie Smith	Careless Love Blues "Careless Love Blues" by "Bessie Smith"	1925			0:47:23 (Pop-up)
Harmonians	Chloe "Chloe" by "Harmonians"	1928			0:50:44 (Pop-up)
Fien de la Mar	Onder De Bomen Van Het Plein	1929			0:56:15 (Pop-up)
Andre Claveau	Tout En Flanant "Tout En Flanant" by "Andre Claveau"	1942			0:58:34 (Pop-up)
American Symphony Orchestra	Yama Yama Man	1908			1:01:50 (Pop-up)
Anton van Rooy	Chanson Du Toréador (Bizet - Carmen)	1906		Anton van Rooy as The Wanderer in Wagner's Siegfried Anton van Rooy as The Wanderer in Wagner's Siegfried	1:05:52 (Pop-up)
Golden & Hughes	Whistling Pete "Whistling Pete" by "Golden & Hughes"	1911			1:07:55 (Pop-up)
Melody Sisters & Black & White	Kijk Uit Voor Mannen (Hummingbird)	1955			1:12:17 (Pop-up)
Orkest Zonder Naam	Ga Je Mee Naar Zwitserland (Olga Lowina & Marketentsters)	1953			1:16:26 (Pop-up)
Guido Deiro accordeon	Valse Pirouette	1912			1:19:17 (Pop-up)
American Symphony Orchestra	Halloween Dance	1909			1:21:26 (Pop-up)
Arvid Asplund	Du Ar Min Ro (Swedish song)	1905			1:25:29 (Pop-up)
Otto Clausen	Tilfjelds Over Bygden (Norwegian song)	1913			1:27:33 (Pop-up)
Jan Mol Electro Kwartet	Meditatie	1942			1:31:50 (Pop-up)
Van & Schenck	I Always Think I'm Up in Heaven	1919			1:33:44 (Pop-up)
Charles D' Almaine violin	Fisher's Hornpipe	1911			1:38:07 (Pop-up)
Willy Derby	Daar Kan Een Ronde Zeeman Niet Om Treuren	1939			1:41:20 (Pop-up)
Edward Meeker	Chicken Reel "Chicken Reel" by "Edward Meeker"	1911			1:47:09 (Pop-up)
Ethel Waters	Brown Baby "Brown Baby" by "Ethel Waters"	1923			1:50:58 (Pop-up)
Marion Harris	Everybody's Crazy 'Bout The Doggone Blues	1917			1:53:31 (Pop-up)
Skymasters	It's A Pity To Say Goodnight	1947	(v - Annie de Reuver & Bluebirds)		1:56:44 (Pop-up)

Lots and lots of other audio antiquities on WFMU:

Centennial Songs - The Antique Phonograph Music Program contextually presented by Michael Cumella

The Ragged Phonograph Program with Mike Haar Original ragtime, jazz, and pop music from the first quarter of the 20th century, with historical background on vaudeville-era artists

Thomas Edison's Attic The audio curator at Edison National Historic Site rummages through the archives of the legendary Edison Laboratory of West Orange, New Jersey

The Old Codger: playing 78 RPM records like they're going out of style!

Music from the 1920s in the January 7, 2020 episode of Continental Subway with David Dichelle

Music and other recordings of Lynda Barry in the june 7, 2020 episode of Canibal Stew with DJ ARB

and you might want to check out the Surface Noise archives with DJ Joe McGasko from 2008 and 2009

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Listener comments!
	10:02am Listener Bob in PGH: I'm here at the beginning! I need this today, it's been worse than usual at work lately.
	10:02am WR: Hi hi Jan and all streamers allowed over under 64.
	10:02am Jan Turkenburg: I'm so sorry to hear that, Bob. Glad you're here!
	10:02am Jan Turkenburg: Hi WR!
	10:03am Martinibomb: Hi Jan and WR -- I maybe wrong is WR = marco?
	10:03am Jan Turkenburg: Hope you're ok, WR
	10:04am Jan Turkenburg: Hi MB, no Marco would be WM ;-)
	10:07am Martinibomb: Ahhh Right Hahah
	10:07am WR: Listener Bob, sorry to hear that. Similar no fun work day here. I now need to write an email that I neglected to follow all change request procedures in my haste to implement a past due directive. Another win for followers of procedures over those try to do their job.
	10:09am chresti: Morning Jan, over/unders..
	10:10am Jan Turkenburg: Hi chresti. Everything ok?
	10:12am Otis Fodder: Morning Jan and fellow soundies
	10:14am Rich in Washington: Hi Jan! Hi everybody!
	10:15am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Otis, Hi Rich How's life?
	10:15am Listener Bob in PGH: The one thing I learned in my one college level chemistry course was to easily convert Celsius to Fahrenheit. C * 1.8 + 32 = F. So 20 C. would be 68 F. Very nice weather indeed!
	10:15am WR: Teddy, as in Theodore Roosevelt, after whom was named the bear. This recording in 1909, so quite current with the follow up to the incident inspiring it. en.wikipedia.org...
	10:16am chresti: Okee dokee, Jan, just waking up.
	10:16am Otis Fodder: @Jan - Working away, while you soundtrack my day.
	10:17am Jan Turkenburg: Thanks for the link WR, I'll include it in the playlist.
	10:22am Lizardner Dave 2: Good morning (US East Coast), sorry I'm late.
	10:22am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Dave!
	10:41am Linda Lee: hello Jan! busy but listening! :-)
	10:41am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Linda! Good to know!
	10:42am Linda Lee: i love these sounds. thanks so much for playing music for us.
	10:42am Jan Turkenburg: :-)
	10:48am Linda Lee: this Bessie Smith track is a lifetime favorite! :-)
	10:49am Jan Turkenburg: This particular rendition, or the song in general?
	10:53am Linda Lee: i love her recording.
	10:53am zivilars: Hi everybody, hi Jan! Glad I can join today's show
	10:53am Linda Lee: this Harmonians track is realyt lovely too. hi zivilars!
	10:53am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Zivilars!!!
	10:54am zivilars: Good to see you two! (and the others too, of course)
	10:56am Otis Fodder: Hello again Jan, hi!
	10:57am Jan Turkenburg: :-)
	10:58am solo mon: Good day everyone!
	10:59am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Solomon! (nervous?)
	11:00am solo mon: Hi Jan! YES!
	11:00am zivilars: @solo mon: Have fun later! I'll get ice cream to eat while listening!
	11:01am Jan Turkenburg: We have your back, Solomon!
	11:03am solo mon: Today we are having a "soft opening" - we are open for business but not fully functional yet. Thank you Jan!
	11:04am Otis Fodder: Eye Scream for Creme de la Creme at 2pm Eastern today... solo at home, listening to solo.
	11:04am chresti: Hi and congrats, solo mon!
	11:04am Listener Bob in PGH: @solo mon: so that would be soft serve instead of ice cream then? :-)
	11:05am solo mon: @listenerbob Nailed it!
	11:06am solo mon: Jan you are so sweet! You get an extra cherry on your Sundae!
	11:07am solo mon: Hi Otis, Chresty! xoxoxoxo
	11:07am solo mon: I LOVE this show, JAN.
	11:08am Jan Turkenburg: :-)
	11:13am joe: 'ello folks
	11:14am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Joe!
	11:16am Martinibomb: ┌───┐░░░░░░░░┌┐░░░░░░░░░░ │┌─┐│░░░░░░░░││░░░░░░░░░░ │└─┘├─┬┬┐┌┬──┤│░░░░░░░░░░ │┌──┤┌┼┤└┘│┌┐││░░░with░░░░ ││░░│││││││┌┐│└┐░░░░░DJ░░ └┘░░└┘└┴┴┴┴┘└┴─┘░░Solo Mon ┌──┐░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ └┤├┘░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░ ░││┌──┬──┐┌──┬─┬──┬──┬┐┌┐ ░│││┌─┤│─┤│┌─┤┌┤│─┤┌┐│└┘│ ┌┤├┤└─┤│─┤│└─┤│││─┤┌┐││││ └──┴──┴──┘└──┴┘└──┴┘└┴┴┴┘ Every Thurs 2-4p on Sheenas Jungle
	11:18am Jan Turkenburg: . ...../ ) .....' / ---' (_____ ......... ((__) ..... _ ((___) ....... -'((__) --.___((_)
	11:18am chresti: Oh good, I can tune in at 2
	11:28am Ursula1000: hello Junglistas!
	11:28am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Ursula1000!
	11:28am Martinibomb: ░░█▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀█ ██▀▀▀██▀▀▀▀▀▀██▀▀▀██ █▒▒▒▒▒█▒▀▀▀▀▒█▒▒▒▒▒█ █▒▒▒▒▒█▒████▒█▒▒▒▒▒█ ██▄▄▄██▄▄▄▄▄▄██▄▄▄██ Sounds Spectacular w/Ursula 1000
	11:29am Ursula1000: got some goodies in store!
	11:30am Martinibomb: and you've got a new show neighbor today
	11:32am WR: Jan, your mic is open, we heard you sing pom pomp pom at the end of the last tune.
	11:32am Rich in Washington: This is lovely.
	11:32am Ursula1000: are you doing BC's spot MB?
	11:33am Martinibomb: Nope. DJ Solo Mon is starting his new show after your show today @ursula
	11:33am Ursula1000: oh right!!!!! nice!
	11:35am Linda Lee: removing statues removes awareness of history. that's all. just my opinion also.
	11:35am Martinibomb: I definitely thinking getting rid of some statues is called for. All the southern civil war heroes should just go. Put them in a museum w/context if people really want to save em.
	11:37am Martinibomb: I certainly think all the clearly racists statues they erected during the civil rights movement should be gone for sure since those were put up in retaliation to civil rights
	11:37am Martinibomb: Someone might be able to make an argument for the ones they put up early after the war.. but the ones put up in the 40s/50s/60s should go
	11:38am Listener Bob in PGH: I completely agree with you MB!
	11:39am Ursula1000: exactly MB---relocate them. People don't need to be driving past these relics reminding them of oppressive times.
	11:39am Martinibomb: Why are there no statues of Hitler around? I'd follow that example - as far as what we do with folks like that.
	11:40am Ursula1000: Spain got rid of Francisco Franco statues
	11:40am Jan Turkenburg: I was talking with the dutch situation in mind. I don't know enough about the American Civil war to say something wise.
	11:40am spodiodi: good morning/evening, Jan and everyone!
	11:41am Martinibomb: ^hah Yeh I kinda figured you had that more in mind sorry to hijack @Jan :-)
	11:41am joe: Unfortunately most statues that are being discussed are not erected to point out the bad or misfortune acts that someone committed they are erected as a manner of celebration. To continue to have the present states that are for which they are erected still feels that the subject should still be seen in a favorable light. I do agree to get rid of them is and attempt to whit wash history (no pun) and they shoudl be put somewhere to point out that unfortunate history has happened and that a second unfortunate thing has happened in that a large group felt it was ok to honor this.
	11:41am Jan Turkenburg: Hi Spodiodi
	11:42am Martinibomb: @joe exactly put them somewhere for discussion but they are not to be celebrated
	11:43am zivilars: Hey, I know that in German – "Das kann doch einen Seemann nicht erschüttern ..." Love it!
	11:43am Jan Turkenburg: In some Dutch towns, they are planning on moving certain statues to musea.
	11:44am Jan Turkenburg: Yes, Zivilar, we were very good in stealing German and English songs!
	11:44am joe: As someone who especially in my youth cared more about what ever the powers that be didn't want me to see we certainly do not want to hide them. But we also don't want to give the impression that the collective we are ok with celebrating the actions of someone that should not be celebrated.
	11:45am zivilars: @Jan: :) Stealing English songs and making terrible German versions out of it is our core compentence, too
	11:48am zivilars: @Jan: Do you own a shellack player?
	11:48am BC Sterrett: Morning everyone :)
	11:49am Jan Turkenburg: Hi BC!
	11:49am Linda Lee: here's the thing: where do we draw the line on 'disappearing' genocidal colonialists? this isn't being determined, but most every statesman or industrialist or military commander has blood on their hands. are they all coming down?
	11:49am Linda Lee: or is the choice political?
	11:50am Jan Turkenburg: I have a portable grammophone like this Zivilars: wfmu.org...
	11:53am zivilars: @Jan: Looks awesome. I only own one shellack recording and am afraid my pockets wouldn't be nearly deep enough for this additional collection hobby, but having a shellack player and shellacks must be so awesome ... Saw a documentary about Robert Crumb and his shellack collection, really impressive ...
	11:53am joe: @linda lee your point is well taken. But I think when it comes to the statues honoring the confederacy there is a pretty clear line. Forgoing the obvious reasons for the issue can anyone else tell me of a situation where there a state mandated honor is paid to a losing army?
	11:53am zivilars: Does the shellac needle really destroy those records very quickly after a few listenings? Or do you use softer needles for that?
	11:55am Jan Turkenburg: @Zivilars, it's more the other way round. I have to change needles after 5 or 6 records, but there is a big variety in needles. I just became memebre of a dutch society of shellac lovers and hope to learn more soon.
	11:55am WR: Good points Joe. History shouldn't be erased but no celebration of despicable actions. Flags and street names should represent what we try to be as a people of today. Taking down every statue of every president before Roosevelt except Lincoln misses needed opportunity for education regarding misdeeds of the past. The scar and wound of slavery in the development of the USA and Europe needs to be fully acknowledged. Sorry for the rant, particularly here.
	11:56am spodiodi: thanks, Jan!
	11:57am zivilars: @Jan: Sounds so great, would join this, but I guess I'm already broke by buying too much normal boring vinyl :)
	11:57am Otis Fodder: Nice sounds this morning Jan, see you on the flipside.
	11:58am Linda Lee: what beautiful records these last were! thank you Jan!
	11:59am Lizardner Dave 2: Thanks Jan, both for the music and the thoughtful discussion.
	11:59am chresti: Thanks Jan!
	11:59am Linda Lee: unity first. division is self-defeating for the people. let's remember this first.
	11:59am BC Sterrett: Thanks Jan! Keep things rolling here next!www.wfmu.org...
	12:00pm WR: We should discuss further regarding listening and playing "black face" recordings. Thank you Jan! Thank you all!
	12:01pm Jan Turkenburg: agree WR

Sounds Under 64 Not Allowed with Jan Turkenburg: Playlist from July 2, 2020

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