WFMU: Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza: Playlist from December 18, 2019

Listener comments!
	@2:59 Ken From Hyde Park: Testing?
	@3:00 mb: 1-2, 1-2?
	@3:00 Phillippe Bastille: The link worked! That's a good start, right?
	@3:00 Rich in Washington: Hello. Did I pass the test?
	@3:00 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Hi Ken. Comments will look the sameish. The bigger changes will be on the songs side. But comments will be different on a phone mobile browser!
	@3:01 Mary Wing: Dynamic!
	@3:01 Rich in Washington: I feel weird. Kind of dizzy. Is that normal?
	@3:01 chris: very nice.
	@3:02 Mr Fab: Hi Kenzo, how is this "dynamic" Any special bells and whistles in store? Free balloons for the kids?
	@3:03 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Everything about the songs listing is super live. No more flashing page reloads once a minute.
	@3:04 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I can even throw you all out to the bottom and then immediately welcome you back in...here comes that...
	@3:04 Phillippe Bastille: @Kenzo the no flashing will make me VERY happy.
	@3:05 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): The page should look a lot better on a phone browser. (No effect on the apps...) wfmu.org...
	@3:06 Rich in Washington: Ooo! Fancy!
	@3:06 Rich in Washington: There's no delay once you hit 'update'?
	@3:06 Phillippe Bastille: The one thing that's a little weird for me is that when the comments autoscroll, the bottom line is half cutoff horizontally (PC, Firefox)
	@3:07 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @Philllllllppe Yeah, I'm seeing that too right now. And the auto-scroll/arrow thing isn't always kicking in.
	@3:07 mb: I kind of like the flashing page. It has snapped me out of many cannabis induced hazes.
	@3:08 Phillippe Bastille: The autoscroll rarely worked for me
	@3:08 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Well instead of flashing you're going to get sea sick from all the fading in and out of song changes.
	@3:08 Rich in Washington: It seems to have eliminated the persistent 'down' arrow at the bottom of the comments that I encounter w/Mac - Chrome. It actually prevents one from highlighting text - like if you wanna copy someone's name to reply. I don't see thathere, which is nice.
	@3:09 Phillippe Bastille: Dramamine, cannabis, all kind of the same
	@3:09 mb: Autoscroll rarely worked and sometimes the arrow stayed lit indicating there was a new post BUT there was not a new post.
	@3:09 Rich in Washington: I could see me getting used to the fading in playlist entries.
	@3:09 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Yeah, the comments arrow/scroll thing didn't work right on some browsers and I think that's still the case. Maybe the persistent arrow will happen less, but I want to get that whole thing working better.
	@3:09 Rich in Washington: Yeah, mb. That's exactly what I meant. It was sort of a pain.
	@3:11 Phillippe Bastille: I think the down arrow was some kind of sophisticated AI/machine learner that knew someone was thinking about posting
	@3:13 Rich in Washington: Now I'm listening to two shows AND the House of Representatives hearing at the same time.
	@3:14 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): If anyone wants to try it on a mobile browser I'd love to hear about it...
	@3:15 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): One comments change is that if you keep commenting after the show ends and things are at the bottom, the comments will keep updating for a while; so, that last bit of convo won't be lost.
	@3:16 Ken From Hyde Park: ˙ʇsǝʇ ɹǝɥʇouɐ sᴉ ǝɹǝH
	@3:17 Rich in Washington: I'm on my Android phone now.
	@3:19 Rich in Washington: Hmmm. Honestly I don't know what the difference is, as I rarely visit playlists on my phone, but it seems a bit easier than I remember it. Definitely better than the app and unofficial app.
	@3:20 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): The text is more of a normal size rather than a crazy desktop page zoom, plus the comments and songs are kept separate (if your screen is narrow enough).
	@3:21 Rich in Washington: Yeah. I'm definitely going to read and comment this way on my phone.
	@3:22 Rich in Washington: Yeah. Much better than I remember it. The app is really awful for commenting.
	@3:22 Rich in Washington: Sorry if you had anything to do with the app.
	@3:23 Ken From Hyde Park: On Windows Firefox browser, as comments come in, I have to move the scroll bar down to see them. The floating arrow thingie isn't appearing like in the previous version (when you click it, it would zoom you down to the bottom of the comments).
	@3:23 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Not a thing (well, it interacts with my server backend of course) and yeah it's awful. There's a new one from a new dev right around the corner, though!
	@3:24 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP If you reload the page once, does that keep being the case?
	@3:26 chris: in duck duck go ios, i can't submit comments because the submit button is cut off
	@3:26 chris: same for safari
	@3:27 Rich in Washington: The preview/submit button works for me on Android.
	@3:28 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @chris Thanks for that feedback. Any chance you can send me a screenshot? To kenzo at wfmu.org
	@3:28 Ken From Hyde Park: Reloaded and now the new comments appear at the bottom automatically.
	@3:28 chresti: testing testing..
	@3:28 chris: also can't resize page in either browser (ios), so there's a lot of scrolling
	@3:28 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP Yeah there seems to be a sometimes-bug on first page load but I haven't tracked it down.
	@3:29 mb: Test Sent by iPhone from the webpage not the app
	@3:29 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @chris What kind of resizing do you mean? If I remove the image (doing that in a sec), does it all fit?
	@3:30 BH: on Chrome, the auto-scroll to the most recent comments might take some getting used to (as opposed to opening the page and the bar being at the bottom already)
	@3:30 mb: ^Safari browser on iPhone
	@3:32 chris: no comments at all in safari on old crappy ipad running ios 10.3.4
	@3:32 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @BH Do you mean, it's not auto scrolling? Or on first load it's not at the bottom?
	@3:33 chris: oh let me check, Kenzo
	@3:33 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @chris Oh I'd love to know what you're seeing there on your ipad...
	@3:34 chris: yeah, much better when narrower artist/tracklist. i mean resizing window with finger gestures, just bounces back to whatever the page width is
	@3:34 Ken From Hyde Park: Hello from Microsoft Edge browser. Nothing unusual to report.
	@3:34 Phillippe Bastille: When I scroll up to read the comments I missed when I was on a call, the floating arrow appears, so that's good, right?
	@3:35 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Does anyone still see "Changing stuff at the top..." at the top of the page?
	@3:35 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @Phill Yes, that's good!
	@3:35 chris: Kenzo, on ipad, empty comments column - no comments, no post comment box
	@3:35 Phillippe Bastille: Nope
	@3:36 ParUbi: IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING
	@3:36 chris: actually on iphone, looks like the width is defined by size of artist/tracklist table
	@3:36 Phillippe Bastille: Test song pop-ups are working
	@3:37 chris: yes on iphone and ipad to the changing stuff at top... line. not on chrome, tho
	@3:37 BH: Kenzo, I mean, it appears to be working. Open site, the comments bar starts at the top and scrolls to the most recent comments. As opposed to opening and already being at the most recent.
	@3:38 Ken From Hyde Park: I take that back about M.E. browser. It's not repainting the comments. The comment at 3:33 is at the bottom and it's overlaying new comments as they arrive. Will try sending a picture.
	@3:38 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Who sees "Do you only see this" and also sees "Changing stuff at the top..." below it?
	@3:38 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP Eeek, it's writing new comments on top of old comments?
	@3:39 chris: after page reload, the changing stuff at top line went away everywhere
	@3:39 Ken From Hyde Park: Raises hand ... I see that.
	@3:40 ParUbi: I see Max from Pi
	@3:40 Phillippe Bastille: I only see the this but not the also. Viewing on Firefox and Opera (talent!)
	@3:40 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Yeah, it'll def go away after page reload, but it shouldn't have been there...
	@3:40 Martinibomb: Tes test.. is this thing on?
	@3:41 chris: love, love, love the way the table rebuilds itself!
	@3:42 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Yeah I've gotta make this a bit resizeable in mobile view.
	@3:44 Phillippe Bastille: Not that any sane person would be viewing the playlist on two different browsers at the same time, but the dynamic changes happen at different times on the two browsers, sometimes first on Firefox, sometimes first on Opera
	@3:44 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Now a whole redraw of the comments section will happen...
	@3:45 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @PB Heh, that's OK.
	@3:45 Phillippe Bastille: Redraw worked on Firefox, couldn't tell on Opera
	@3:45 ParUbi: Everything is active.
	@3:47 Phillippe Bastille: Funny watching the two Shatners at the same time. On one side his head is whipping left, the other whipping right. Both are satisfying to watch each and of themselves, but together its pure heaven
	@3:48 -Ken: Song list is updating very gracefully on W7, Chrome 79.0
	@3:49 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Test here
	@3:49 Ken From Hyde Park: OK, sent over a picture from Windows 10 and the Edge browser. I don't usually use that, but fired it up to see how it worked.
	@3:51 Phillippe Bastille: Not sure if this is relevant or just interesting, but on Firefox kenzo's name is in white, Ken from HP and mine are in red, everyone else's is green. On Opera, everybody's green.
	@3:55 still b/p: Commenter names turn red in Chrome after you have clicked on them to look at listener profile. Didja look? Didjaaaaa..?
	@3:55 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Visited profile link color is different from non-visited.
	@3:56 Rich in Washington: Dammit. I missed the twin shatner heads!
	@3:57 Rich in Washington: I never noticed the name color changing thing before. This is not new, is it?
	@3:58 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Not new
	@3:59 Ken From Hyde Park: In the previous version, I could make the comments column wider or narrower. It seems to be at a fixed width now. Similar for the "Post comment!" box. Can't make it taller or shorter. It's a fixed height.
	@4:00 Rich in Washington: Funny. I'd long noted that some people's names were differently colored but never knew why. Pathologically, just thought to myself that's it's because everyone is better than me. I possessed the ability to change my name color all along.
	@4:02 Rich in Washington: Is it significantly different under the hood for programmers, Kenzo?
	@4:03 still b/p: Everyone must now click on alternate names in the whole comment stack -- A, not B, then C, not D. Making red/green. Because Christmas.
	@4:03 Phillippe Bastille: Hmm, don't think I ever looked at Ken's profile. Pretty sure I looked at Rich's and it is green (Rich, are you the guy who started a show on Sheena, or was that someone else's profile I looked at?). Looked at still b/p on Opera and it is red but is still green on Firefox. I need to close one of these before I go crazy.
	@4:04 Rich in Washington: I did start a show on Sheena's! I'm still starting it every week!
	@4:05 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @Rich, what are you asking?
	@4:05 Rich in Washington: I see now that people's names/profile links just follow visited link behaviors.
	@4:06 Phillippe Bastille: Then I DID look at your profile. But your name is still green (sigh). Ken from HP, you don't have a show, do you?
	@4:06 Rich in Washington: Oh, just curious what the programmer side of the playlist will look like, if it's significantly different, etc. I can take my answers off the air.
	@4:06 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I mean about programmers
	@4:07 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): You mean for DJ's, ah. No changes there.
	@4:08 Mr Fab: Doesn't seem much different on desktop PC/Google, but agreed on the Android phone - MUCH improved, thank you, good sir!
	@4:08 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Hmm I can make mobile zoom-inable but not zoom-outable.
	@4:10 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): On mobile, I'm finding this new way where you might have to scroll left and right on the songs list if it's very detailed to be far better than the old way.
	@4:12 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP Thanks for screenshot about the W10 Edge Browser issue. Serious...happening consistently, comments are always getting overlaid?
	@4:14 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP If you reload your page, wait for one comment to come, and then show me that screenshot, I could better understand what on earth is happening there.
	@4:19 Ken From Hyde Park: Out for a quick walk. Will make another screenshot when I get back. Emoji test: ♥️ ☠️
	@4:21 Ken From Hyde Park: Santa and football emojis and text that followed did not appear.
	@4:24 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): That's probably not a new problem. Some newer unicode doesn't work here yet.
	@4:28 Ike: Greetings, humans!
	@4:28 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Hi Ike! Watch the songs list for a sec
	@4:37 Ike: Oops, sorry, I may have missed something in the songs list because I was working.
	@4:39 still b/p: Quite unrelated to important visual and technical assessments, but a thin degree of fun: When I grab any edge of the browser window to adjust size, Shatner slows down and gets haltingly slappy while the adjustment is active, like his paw's taking a dramatic pause.
	@4:42 Ike: In Chrome it seems even harder than usual to adjust the frame size. It's always a pain in Chrome (I prefer Firefox, but there are work issues).
	@4:43 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Which frame size...be specific?
	@4:44 Ike: When trying to grab the vertical line between the comments and the main playlist window and move it left or right.
	@4:44 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Is it even possible anymore?
	@4:49 Ike: Not as far as I can tell, but I haven't been able to devote much time to it.
	@4:49 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Yeah, can't do it anymore, although I'd like to restore that ability. Thanks for mentioning!
	@4:53 Ken From Hyde Park: I minimized the Edge browser window before taking my break and it seems to be behaving normally now. Going to try closing the window and opening a new one.
	@4:54 Ken From Hyde Park: And that comment broke it again. I have a fresh screengrab to send.
	@4:55 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Is this an otherwise normal computer and normal-working browser?
	@4:56 Ken From Hyde Park: Yes, up-to-date Windows 10 and as far as I know Edge is up to date. I normally use Firefox.
	@4:57 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I look forward to seeing if others have Edge issues today too.
	@4:58 still b/p: Don't know if this matters or you already covered it: When adjusting browser window size horizontally to be smaller, going from either left or right, everything at the top and the comments area adapts with line-breaks, etc. to stay "whole" and visible, but the actual playlist grid stays same size/layout and gets covered up by the comments stack as it slides across. Eventually, at the max horiz adjustment it'll let me do, the left section of the playlist is only visible to half the "Format" column. On Irwin's now-active playlist, his 3 columns do reduce themselves horizontally to stay visible. On David W now-active playlist, the horizontal adjustment will have comment area moving over to cover just his far-right DJ comment column. Make sense?
	@4:59 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @still, which browser and OS?
	@5:02 still b/p: Chrome Version 79.0.3945.79 on an old Mac, OS X El Capitan 10.11.6
	@5:03 fred: Hello Kenzo and all
	@5:06 chresti: Looking with a chrome browser on a windows 10 laptop, I don't see much difference except the fade-in when a new track or image appears
	@5:06 ParUbi: Re-joining, hello everyone.
	@5:10 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): The fact that each new song is fading in twice instead of once is not a sign of a problem...it only has to do with a very unusual thing I have to do with today's playlist.
	@5:11 chresti: I like the fade-in effect
	@5:13 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Test in a mobile or tablet browser if you can! wfmu.org...
	@5:14 fred: Looks good to me, now that I know the second fade-in is intentional. Should I be looking at anything special?
	@5:15 Ken From Hyde Park: Observation on Android / Chrome: with the phone vertical, you must choose either the song playlist grid or the comments. Turn the phone sideways and in landscape mode, you see both.
	@5:16 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP: That's by design. Do you see the button to switch back and forth?
	@5:17 Ken From Hyde Park: Yes, it works well.
	@5:19 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Someone try favoriting new songs if you haven't yet.
	@5:21 Ike: Favoriting seems OK on an iPhone Ghostery browser.
	@5:21 fred: The timestamp in the rightmost column only appears on the second fade-in, but I guess that's intentional Also, the font in the comment box looks bigger than usual
	@5:21 Mr Fab: I favorited a song. Got the yellow star.
	@5:21 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I'll have to increase the frequency of favorites data updates, so you aren't disturbed by the disappearance of your star for 30 seconds before it comes back.
	@5:22 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): When a song gets updated, star might go away and then come back on its own, which isn't a new issue, always confuses some people, but will happen more now with the frequent song updates...will adjust soon.
	@5:24 Rich in Washington: The stars are coming out. There's a voice saying 'the stars are coming out'.
	@5:25 Ken From Hyde Park: At some point, will there be "thumbs down" boxes for Felder tracks?
	@5:27 fred: Very minor detail: when a new comment comes up, the last line is not completely visible, I have to scroll down a little (this doesn't happen on Irwin's playlist (Firefox 71.0, Windows 10 1903/18362.535)
	@5:29 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @fred Yeah for me too and others... Is auto-scroll/arrow thing working for you? It's supposed to auto-scroll to next comment if you're already at the bottom, or fade the arrow into view if you're not at the bottom, and then arrow disappear after you scroll to bottom or after you click it, which also scrolls to bottom.
	@5:29 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Oh yeah I forgot I can play with colors
	@5:30 still b/p: A pumpkin spice seizure!
	@5:31 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Reload the page once, and then I can play with background colors subsequently.
	@5:35 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Anyone have a good idea for a font? And I wonder if different font make comment space at bottom go away.
	@5:35 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Nope it doesn't.
	@5:36 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Can't believe my phone doesn't support comic sans
	@5:36 fred: The auto-scroll arrow did appear and worked as described
	@5:37 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Anyone else using Edge? Seems problematic from one report... Anyone else have an iPad or other tablet to test on?
	@5:37 Ken From Hyde Park: What was that one? Comic Sans? It went to the separator line for that one. Otherwise, it seems to be the bottom-most pixel of the text.
	@5:39 still b/p: I x n a y o n i s t h a y o n t f a y.
	@5:39 chresti: The font is different
	@5:40 Dave In St Albans UK: I am using the "unofficial" Woof Moo WFMU app on Android. Everything on all streams working perfectly. Like a dream!
	@5:40 chresti: now it's better
	@5:40 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): The app is unaffected. I'm looking for people to test from mobile browsers.
	@5:42 Ken From Hyde Park: I notice that on the phone, I can make the page reload by swiping down. Couldn't do that on the old version. Had to navigate to the refresh icon.
	@5:42 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I really want to automate the rapid changing of colors. It'll be such a hit
	@5:44 Rich in Washington: oh, that's crazy. I keep thinking there's something wrong with my monitors
	@5:45 Ken From Hyde Park: Dͨ͗̇ͥͩ̇ͥo͗͐ͣe̲̖̤̗ͨͣͭ̃s̖͇͒̃ t̠̼̣͓̘̱̃ͩ̑̓͛͒h͉̯̳̰͙̼͋͆ͤ̉̎̋i͒͒s̘̗̫̭̹̝̓͊͐ͫ̃̂ ̖͇̦̘͖̳̆̋̓̿̈̉me̥̬͓͈͉̗͑̈́ͥ͆̉̄s̝̯͍̤s̱̫̬͂͆̾ up͐̌̽͊ ͭ̄ͮ̋̀a̜̪̳̯̩̲͇ͫ͊ͯ̉̆̍ͩn̎̄ͧ̇̐y͒̈́̀ṭ̼̗̞̰̒̈̊ͤ͋h̺̮͓̯̜ͅi̥̫̞̭̲̝̓ͦ͛ͬ͗̀n̘̼͂̒ġ͗̎͋̓̒̌?
	@5:46 Ike: Auto-color change would be hilarious.
	@5:48 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP: Actually, it DOES mess up some things! How interesting.
	@5:49 Dave in St Alban's UK: Using Edge on Android. Comments section displaying nicely with the background colour changing. Fun! I can't shrink the playlist to fit my screen though.
	@5:49 Ken From Hyde Park: www.zalgogenerator.com
	@5:49 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @Dave Yeah, I can't find a way to allow mobile shrinking...
	@5:52 tester: Not sure if I'm the only one experiencing this, but the comments & posting parts of the page are empty on Safari (version 12 on iPad, version 13 on Mac/Catalina)
	@5:52 still b/p: iPhone 8 v 13.1.2 When I go sideways, I get playlist and it makes some right-side space for comment column but there's nothing there in that column, just bg color without any text, lines, boxes, borders. I can do the back and forth full-screen from list to comments if holding phone in vertical orientation.
	@5:52 Martinibomb: awesome looking!
	@5:52 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Hi, tester. Can you be more specific? A screenshot would be really nice, too. Send to kenzo at wfmu.org
	@5:53 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): It sounds like tablet responsive view isn't working right, or maybe it's iOS specific...
	@5:54 tester: OK (BTW it's ok on iOS for iPhone)
	@5:54 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I wonder if an arrow-like effect is needed for the songs list as well, so you know there's something at the bottom to scroll to see. I keep forgetting to scroll.
	@5:55 Dave in St Alban's UK: Really like the crazy background and text colour changes. Some combinations are easier on the eyes. :-)
	@5:55 Rich in Washington: Oh man! My cones and rods! I am bleeding from the eyeholes.
	@5:55 ParUbi: This is a pretty unreadable combination :D
	@5:56 ParUbi: well, it was
	@5:57 Rich in Washington: uh oh! Someone left the playlist out in the sun or washed it in warm water or both.
	@5:57 northguineahills: The comments overlaying on each other reflect the lyrical content of the show.
	@5:58 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I want to do a BPM-synched color changing effect.
	@5:59 fred: A playlist arrow might be useful for your show, but maybe not many others
	@6:00 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Yeah I was thinking that. But maybe....
	@6:00 Ken From Hyde Park: Image observation: with the old version, if you click on an image to enlarge it, you could use the up- or down-arrow key to go to the next one and enlarge it. With this version, they keys scroll the page up/down and the enlarged image moves with along with the page.
	@6:00 ParUbi: Karate means "empty hand" right? So where isn't karate? When you're holding something. Bam!
	@6:01 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP Lemme add more images and see
	@6:01 still b/p: T-Mobile will sue you if you use magenta. They've sued others.
	@6:02 Ken From Hyde Park: I should amend that. The up/down arrow makes the image go back to its embedded state.
	@6:02 fred: Well, if you have the code for the arrow and it doesn't mess up the rest, why not?
	@6:02 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I think a song arrow is needed for anyone. It's awkward scrolling to top and bottom over and over, you don't know where to sit on the page.
	@6:04 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP: The arrow issue goes away if you reload the page after there are multiple images. So the issue is that when I dynamically add an image to the page, it doesn't get added to the list of arrow-reachable images. Will add to my list...
	@6:05 Rich in Washington: I had to look that up, still b/p. That's nuts.
	@6:05 Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): oooh, fancy!
	@6:05 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @fred It's awkward because there's other junk below the playlist.
	@6:05 Ken From Hyde Park: <Spock voice> Fascinating.
	@6:06 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Color show for Tuna...
	@6:07 Rand al'Thor: Ooh, new playlist stuff!
	@6:07 Ken From Hyde Park: OK, yeah. I reload the page and now I can embiggen Kirk or the disco colors using the arrows.
	@6:07 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Welcome to a new world ish
	@6:07 Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): WOW!
	@6:08 Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): ouch!
	@6:08 Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): that fade is so fancy
	@6:09 Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): is it white on white??!!
	@6:09 Phillippe Bastille: Came back for the music, staying for the test.
	@6:09 Phillippe Bastille: Also the other way around
	@6:09 Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): or i guess it's called a dissolve?
	@6:09 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): All the worst colors, all at once. The inside joke is that all color changing abilities will be going away site-wide before long.
	@6:10 Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): whatever it is, fun!
	@6:10 still b/p: Filling it softly with his tracks, Filling it softly....with his tracks...
	@6:13 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP Now I have two separate cursor key worlds, one for new image and one for prior imageS.
	@6:15 Phillippe Bastille: Ok, was scrolling the playlist and when I hovered over the comments they would not scroll. When I clicked in the comments window it would then scroll. The playlist scrolled whether I clicked in it or not
	@6:15 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @PB Hovered? Hard to follow what you're saying.
	@6:16 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): FYI streamers: Bodega Pop live will be starting about 30 minutes late today. Gary stuck in a tunnel...
	@6:20 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): That Star Trek writer woman who died recently disavowed herself of having written the first version of this episode.
	@6:20 Phillippe Bastille: Yeah, when I put my cursor over the playlist and used the scroll wheel the playlist window scrolled. When I put my cursor over the comments window and used the scroll wheel, the comments window did not scroll. After I clicked within the comments window and used the scroll wheel, the comments window scrolled. When I moved the cursor back over the playlist window and used the scroll mouse the playlist window scrolled without having to click inside it.
	@6:22 Phillippe Bastille: Seems to be a non-replicatable issue
	@6:23 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @PB I get it. Hard one to address.
	@6:23 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): How the hell can you listen to four pieces of music at the same time?
	@6:25 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I'm working on crazy software that does some fun and some useful things and takes 19 years.
	@6:25 Phillippe Bastille: I'm sure. I'm still trying to figure out how urls work
	@6:26 Phillippe Bastille: This is fun! Can we do it every week?
	@6:26 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I picked a pretty big playlist to test this on.
	@6:28 Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Always a unique experience even more than one time.
	@6:30 fred: "test insert" showed up in the middle, then to the left, then gone, now four times to the left
	@6:30 Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 19 years ~ eclipse cycles - called 'Saros'.
	@6:30 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Thanks Fred! All as intended.
	@6:31 fred: Now the extra line is gone
	@6:32 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Need a feature to greyscale the avatar images
	@6:35 chresti: Ah..grey is easier on the eyeballs
	@6:36 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Charlie Kaufman has written a book
	@6:37 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Totally need songs auto scroll
	@6:39 Phillippe Bastille: @kenzo agreed
	@6:40 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): New system isn't even making a blip on CPU or disks or DB
	@6:42 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): 112 things on this playlist. Probably a wee bit above WFMU average.
	@6:42 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Gotta get iPad and Edge working for comments
	@6:43 fred: Ken could probably also use song auto scroll, with all the GIFs taking up space
	@6:43 WR: Just connected. Android with chrome.
	@6:44 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @WR What's it like?
	@6:45 WR: Ok so far. Getting acclimated
	@6:46 Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Pay no attention to that Kenzo behind the curtain. Quite a Composition indeed.
	@6:47 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I should paste the source code with each song
	@6:48 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): But it might all look like var a={i:function(){return $("div.comments").scrollTop()+$("div.comments").height()+1>=$("div.comments")[0].scrollHeight},b:function(){var b=a.B("#body","html");$(b).animate({scrollTop:$("div.comments")[0].scrollHeight+15},2E3,function(){a.a()})},a:function(){a.i()&&($("#body").stop(),$("#downarrow").fadeOut(500))},m:function(){$.ajax({url:a.A,dataType:"json",data:{t:a.l},success:function(b){a.s(b)},error:function(){a.f()}})},s:function(b){if(null!=b)if("token"in b&&(a.l=b.token),"reload"in b)a.j(); else if("newframe"in b)$("#body").append(b.newframe),$("#downarrow").fadeOut(0);else if("newcomments"in b){var e=a.i();$("table#comments-table").append(b.newcomments);a.g()&&(e?a.b():$("#downarrow").fadeIn(1E3))}a.f()},f:function(){window.setTimeout(a.m,a.w)},j:function(){$("span#comments_table_replaceable").load(window.location.pathname+" #comments-table")},v:function(b,e,c,g,d){a.A=b;a.w=e;a.l=c;a.h=g;a.o=d;a.c(1);a.f()},c:function(b){a.u\|\|($("div.comments").on("scroll",a.a),a.g()&&(a.b(),a.a()), a.u=b?0:1)},B:function(b,e){for(var c=0,g=arguments.length;c<g;c++){var d=arguments[c],f=$(d);if(0<f.scrollTop())return d;f.scrollTop(1);var h=0<f.scrollTop();f.scrollTop(0);if(h)return d}return[]},F:function(){$("div.comments,div.post").toggleClass("overlay");$("div.songs_except_comments").toggleClass("under");a.c(0)},D:function(b){$("link#noframes_style").attr("href",b?a.h:a.o);b&&(a.b(),a.a())},C:function(b){b?$("div.post").show():$("div.post").hide()},g:function(){return $("link#noframes_style").attr("href")== a.h}};window.KDBPComm=a;a.scrollToBottom=a.b;a.initialize=a.v;a.initCommSec=a.c;a.view_switch=a.F;a.set_style_live_comments=a.D;a.set_comment_form_visibility=a.C;a.reloadCommentsSection=a.j;
	@6:49 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Someone should edit that to fix W10 Edge
	@6:53 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Thanks everyone for the listening and presence and testing and talking and thinking and helping. Any ideas at all, please send them on. Watch how you can even keep typing comments after the show is over and they'll show up right away! You won't lose that last comment you were typing, either. Look, I can throw you all to the bottom temporarily and we can see...
	@6:53 WR: Now stop that Ken. Let the guts be on the inside where the guts are supposed to be. Regarding the update. Ya done good. Not sure why others saying something about auto scroll for the playlist. I'm ok without that. The now playing at the top updated and if I scroll to the bottom the entry is there.
	@6:54 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @WR Maybe so. But now the bottom is a more fun and updated place to be looking than the now playing at the top.
	@6:55 WR: I like being in control so the auto scroll ever time now playing updates has been an irritant to me.
	@6:55 Rand al'Thor: I like the new playlist.
	@6:56 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @WR Well maybe an arrow that leads you to the bottom if you press it, and auto-scroll if you're already at the bottom that keeps you there. i.e. Like I do with the comments already.
	@6:56 northguineahills: Thanks, Ken!
	@6:56 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Here I'm going to pretend to end the playlist and then start it back up and you should all not be affected at all.
	@6:57 Rand al'Thor: Thank you for the show and the playlists, Kenzo!
	@6:57 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Uh oh it didn't resume me automatically on my phone browser
	@6:57 Phillippe Bastille: Thanks Ken. Once both the comments and playlist windows scroll, it will make my listening experience much better when I'm listening while working. With the current format, I have to stop what I'm doing to scroll to see what others are saying or what song is playing. With the new and improved interface, I just have to look up
	@6:57 tester: Update on Safari: toggling 'overflow: scroll' off (in dev tools) on div.songs_except_comments makes it work again.
	@6:58 WR: now on w10 with firefox
	@6:58 chresti: Thanks Kenzo!
	@6:58 Phillippe Bastille: *autoscroll
	@6:58 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): By the way everyone, Gary is stuck on a train and so Bodega Pop Live will be delayed by about half an hour today.
	@6:58 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @PB Auto scroll comments doesn't work for you? Remind me which OS/browser...
	@6:59 WR: LOL. I gotta go get on a train now.
	@6:59 Rand al'Thor: What's filling in the half hour until then?
	@6:59 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @tester Makes which work again? And feel free to let me know who you are, helpful tester!
	@6:59 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Random selections from Doug's Drummersome song collection.
	@7:02 WR: On FF on w10 all looks same. Change was more noticable on the android, and having the chat and song list not showing at same time on the phone is OK design choice. Maybe even definitely better once people use it a couple times
	@7:02 Phillippe Bastille: @Kenzo comments do. I thought I saw somewhere that the playlist autoscrolling would be a nice enhancement
	@7:03 WR: Duh, by same I mean on FF on w10 it looks very much like as before the change.
	@7:04 tester: It makes the comments and posting box divs appear again on iPad and Mac Safari. Previously they were empty boxes. I assume the same would happen on plus sized iPhone in landscape as well.
	@7:06 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @WR Great. The real changes are that the songs section updates itself super dynamically, and that the page never does any full page reloading...
	@7:06 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @tester Thanks for the tip. These are up-to-date iPad's and Mac's, or non-updated?
	@7:08 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @WR On mobile, I want to make it have a visual indicator when there's new comments or song, so you know you should flip over.
	@7:13 Ken From Hyde Park: Bye, see you next time. o͡͡͡╮༼ . •́ _ʖ •̀ . ༽╭o͡͡͡
	@7:14 WR: On the android the playlist page changed as usual for when it is "closed". The W10 FF playlist still says playlist is still being updated.
	@7:17 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Oh yeah I forgot to switch it to closed while you were all still here and test the post-show comment updating that now happens. Anyone still here?
	@7:17 WR: Or maybe not.... Unless you are still tweaking it I some how got confused. I went back to the page on the phone and back to playlist is still being updated.
	@7:18 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): OK, well, I'm going to switch it to "finished" mode and we can continue to add comments at the bottom without needing to reload page! Let's try...
	@7:19 WR: go for it.
	@7:19 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): It took me right to the bottom on one browser, but to the top on another. But here I am commenting..
	@7:20 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I will be excited if I see a reply from you show up...
	@7:20 WR: confused but commenting. W10 FF
	@7:21 Ken From Hyde Park: Example comment with the finished page.
	@7:21 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Hooraaaaaay
	@7:21 WR: Yes, the comment list updated without manual refreshed.
	@7:22 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I wish I could figure out how to allow mobile to zoom out.
	@7:25 WR: Yes, I noticed that mobile zoom went away, for some playlists I have to zoom in to read the tiny print. And I hope you just "re-opened" the playlist because thats what I see now.
	@7:26 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Zoom in should work. It's just that you can't zoom out further than the initial view, i.e. if you'd rather the wide playlist all fit on one little screen.
	@7:26 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Yeah I moved us back into in-progress view so as not to discourage further comments despite that those would still be live updated.
	@7:30 WR: Zoom only did a little bit, maybe because it is near the max? I dunno, but yes, cannot zoom out to make the playlist width small enough to fit into the screen.
	@7:30 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I can increase the allowable zoom in...will do some more now..
	@7:31 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Reload the page, should allow more zoom-in now.
	@7:32 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I could allow a ton more zoom-in but I was worried about people getting lost. Your feedback helps.
	@7:34 WR: yes, that is good. It is enough to feel like it is responding.
	@7:36 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Thanks for all your help today. Walking away from this now...
	@7:36 WR: I'm heading into Manhattan now, laters

Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza: Playlist from December 18, 2019

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December 18, 2019: Dynamic playlists 2020 debut! Emptying Our Boxes (What's he doing in there?) (Show #647, from May)

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Contains musically magical rearranged fragments of:

LOOPS: Camper Van Beethoven, John Lennon, Kate Bush, Lemon Jelly, Jeff Lynne, Linda Draper, Bob Seger, Mark Mothersbaugh, the Mountain Goats, Nada Surf, Niki & The Dove, Nine Inch Nails, OutKast, Pink Floyd, R.E.M., Royskopp, The War On Drugs

MUSIC: Alice in Wonderland, Clem Leek, dj BC, Roots, Radiohead, Simon & Garfunkel, Jim of Seattle, John Carpenter, Jon Brion, Mark Mothersbaugh, Ole Jensen, Bach, Tom Waits

WORDS: Albert Brooks, Kathryn Beaumont, Andre Gregory, Charlie Kaufman, Christian Bale, David Lynch, Joseph Fiennes, Ray Winstone, Alan Rudolph, Garry Shandling, Sharon Stone, Harlan Ellison, Alan Watts, Pat Morita, Matt Frewer, Brent Spiner, Donald Sutherland, Julie Andrews, Richard Dreyfuss, Sesame Street, Stanley Kubrick, Leonard Nimoy, Skip Homeier, Boyd Gaines, John Lawrence, Sarah Jessica Parker, David Warner, Jerold Wells, Tom Cruise, Tony Robbins, Walter Murch, Wayne Dyer, Negativland/Wobbly, phone, Ken

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Artist	Track	Album	Year	Comments	Images	New / Special	Approx. start time
Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza	Emptying Our Boxes		2019		What's he building in there? What's he building in there?		0:00:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Stanley Kubrick's Boxes	Boxes "Boxes" by "Stanley Kubrick's Boxes"	Stanley Kubrick's Boxes					0:04:04 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ken	We'll open some of the boxes "We'll open some of the boxes" by "Ken"		2019			* ***	0:04:38 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Jon Brion	Jimmy's Breakdown "Jimmy's Breakdown" by "Jon Brion"	Magnolia	1999				0:08:05 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
OutKast	B.O.B. loops "B.O.B. loops" by "OutKast"						0:08:29 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Jon Brion	Jimmy's Breakdown "Jimmy's Breakdown" by "Jon Brion"	Magnolia					0:10:04 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ole Jensen and his Music	Exotica "Exotica" by "Ole Jensen and his Music"	Chappell Recorded Music (LPC 1047)	1972				0:10:50 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ole Jensen and his Music	Bach-Style	Chappell Recorded Music (LPC 1047)	1972				0:11:56 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Jeff Lynne	Every Little Thing (remix) loop						0:12:24 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
War on Drugs	Pile of Tires loop "Pile of Tires loop" by "War on Drugs"						0:14:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Wobbly, Negativland	Over the Edge 3/15/19: With Your Permission		2019				0:16:15 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Stanley Kubrick's Boxes	Years went by, what was he doing in there? The boxes have the answer	Stanley Kubrick's Boxes					0:17:47 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Wobbly, Negativland	Over the Edge 3/15/19: With Your Permission		2019				0:18:09 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Clem Leek	Burleson, TX "Burleson, TX" by "Clem Leek"						0:18:23 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Clem Leek	The Lights of New York "The Lights of New York" by "Clem Leek"						0:18:36 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
John Carpenter	Out of Time (unused)	Escape from LA					0:18:57 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Sarah Jessica Parker	How long have you lived here? You should unpack. You can't unpack, bc that would mean you really live here.	'Til There Was You					0:19:32 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Pat Morita, Ralph Macchio	Miyagi-isms	Karate Kid	1984				0:21:17 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Kathryn Beaumont	My world would be a wonderland	Alice in Wonderland	1951				0:23:02 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Polly Draper	I want to terminate "I want to terminate" by "Polly Draper"	thirtySomething					0:24:02 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Mel Harris	Don't have to do things exactly right. If you make a teeny mistake, who cares?	thirtySomething					0:25:10 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
thirtySomething	You can be right, or you can be happy	thirtySomething					0:25:53 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Paul Simon	The Sound of Silence (without Garfunkel)						0:26:22 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Art Garfunkel	The Sound of Silence (without Simon)						0:27:35 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Simon and Garfunkel	The Sound of Silence (bass only)						0:31:18 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Sarah Jessica Parker	I'd buy you a piano, you'd hate it, 'cause you'd prefer to dream of some future piano	'Til There Was You					0:32:07 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Camper Van Beethoven	Sweethearts loops	Key Lime Pie					0:32:33 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
John Lennon	Mother loops "Mother loops" by "John Lennon"						0:40:32 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Camper Van Beethoven	Sweethearts loops	Key Lime Pie					0:42:06 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
John Lennon	Mother "Mother" by "John Lennon"						0:44:12 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Jonsi and Alex	Happiness loops "Happiness loops" by "Jonsi and Alex"						0:45:18 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Kate Bush	Hounds of Love loops "Hounds of Love loops" by "Kate Bush"						0:45:40 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Sesame Street	Two men with ideas "Two men with ideas" by "Sesame Street"			(Brief)			0:46:29 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Bob Seger	Living Inside My Heart loops						0:47:03 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ken	Assignment: Deliver a monologue. Keep speaking until you're done. Interrupt the next monologue you hear.		2019			* ***	0:49:42 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Phone caller (Ken)	Practice: You're never going to call again		2019			* ***	0:53:14 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ken	More vulnerable, less vulnerable, identification		2019			* ***	0:54:18 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Bob Seger	Living Inside My Heart loops						0:56:10 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Pat Morita, Ralph Macchio	Miyagi wisdom	Karate Kid	1984				0:56:25 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Pat Morita	Walk right side, safe, walk left side, safe, walk middle, sooner or later, get squished, just like grape	Karate Kid	1984				0:57:07 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Bob Seger	Living Inside My Heart loops						0:57:55 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Stanley Kubrick's Boxes	Staying in a lot more, so the outside world no longer knew what he looked like	Stanley Kubrick's Boxes					0:58:40 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Stanley Kubrick's Boxes	What was he doing in there	Stanley Kubrick's Boxes					0:58:51 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Stanley Kubrick's Boxes	House is amazingly full of boxes. Some of these boxes haven't been opened for decades	Stanley Kubrick's Boxes					0:59:05 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Tom Waits	What's He Building? "What's He Building?" by "Tom Waits"	Mule Variations	1999				0:59:35 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Stanley Kubrick's Boxes	Not too tight, not too loose (it's a lovely box)	Stanley Kubrick's Boxes					1:00:08 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Kathryn Beaumont	My world would be a wonderland	Alice in Wonderland	1951				1:00:58 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Kathryn Beaumont	In my world, everything would be what it isn't	Alice in Wonderland	1951				1:01:18 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Christian Bale	A sheen of conssumate professionalism	American Psycho					1:01:37 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Kathryn Beaumont	In my world, you wouldn't say meow, you'd say, yes, Miss Alice	Alice in Wonderland	1951				1:02:26 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Lemon Jelly	Page One loops "Page One loops" by "Lemon Jelly"	Lemonjelly.ky	2000				1:03:25 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
OutKast	B.O.B. loops "B.O.B. loops" by "OutKast"						1:04:12 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Lemon Jelly	Page One "Page One" by "Lemon Jelly"	Lemonjelly.ky	2000				1:05:19 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Tom Waits	What's He Building? "What's He Building?" by "Tom Waits"	Mule Variations	1999	I'll tell you one thing: He's not building a playhouse for the children			1:05:58 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Lemon Jelly	Page One "Page One" by "Lemon Jelly"	Lemonjelly.ky	2000				1:06:31 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Pat Morita, Ralph Macchio	First learn stand, then learn fly	Karate Kid	1984				1:07:39 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Pat Morita	Balance good, everything good	Karate Kid	1984				1:08:15 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Lemon Jelly	Page One "Page One" by "Lemon Jelly"	Lemonjelly.ky	2000				1:08:45 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
dj BC (Roots, Radiohead)	Nothing In Its Right Place				Everything in its right place Everything in its right place		1:09:40 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Wobbly, Negativland	Over the Edge 3/15/19: With Your Permission		2019				1:10:54 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Jim of Seattle	Welcome to Windows			Jim Owen, Windows 95			1:11:56 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Bill Withers	Oh Yeah "Oh Yeah" by "Bill Withers"						1:13:32 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Brendan Maclean	Stupid "Stupid" by "Brendan Maclean"	Population EP	2014				1:14:16 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Jim of Seattle	Welcome to Windows			Jim Owen, Windows 95			1:14:36 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
HAL 9000	I'm constantly occupied. I'm putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I think any conscious entity can ever hope to do	2001: A Space Odyssey					1:16:50 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Brendan Maclean	Stupid "Stupid" by "Brendan Maclean"	Population EP	2014				1:17:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Leonard Nimoy	There are many who are uncomfortable with what we have created, it is almost a biological rebellion. The programming, the sterilzed, artfully balanced atmospheres. They hunger for an Eden	Star Trek TOS-The Way to Eden (Season 3 episode 20)					1:18:09 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Mark Mothersbaugh	Snowflake Music loops	Bottle Rocket					1:19:55 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Skip Homeier	this is poison,layers of shields,computers that run your lives,you've infected me	Star Trek TOS-The Way to Eden (Season 3 episode 20)					1:20:33 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Bill Ehrhart	Found ways of keeping your thoughts well within the environment you were in	Vietnam interviews					1:21:15 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Tony Robbins	Breathing exercise "Breathing exercise" by "Tony Robbins"						1:21:35 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Donald Sutherland	What you've done is all right	Little Murders					1:21:45 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Brent Spiner, Matt Frewer	How the hell can you listen to four pieces of music at the same time?	Star Trek TNG					1:21:52 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Mark Mothersbaugh	Royal Tenenbaums opening theme	Royal Tenenbaums					1:22:05 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Boyd Gaines	You know how we feel about parties	The Sure Thing					1:23:30 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Albert Brooks	While being a very nice guy	Broadcast News					1:24:02 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ken	Be open about your life. You will find the people who respond to what it is to what you are doing, and you will let them love you by doing so		2015			* ***	1:24:06 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Nada Surf	Blizzard of 77 loop "Blizzard of 77 loop" by "Nada Surf"						1:24:59 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Niki & the Dove	So Much It Hurts loops						1:25:35 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Nine Inch Nails	Hurt (instrumental) loops						1:26:29 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Pink Floyd	One of These Days loops	Meddle					1:27:22 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ken	It has been said that I usually end on an optimistic note. Do you feel empowered to make changes? Someone is going to change you.		2019			* ***	1:28:15 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Nine Inch Nails	Hurt (instrumental) loops						1:32:33 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
R.E.M.	Daysleeper loop "Daysleeper loop" by "R.E.M."						1:33:15 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Jeff Lynne	Every Little Thing (remix) loop						1:33:56 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Royksopp	Royksopp Forever loops "Royksopp Forever loops" by "Royksopp"						1:34:23 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Sharon Stone with Garry Shandling	If you're not in your vulnerability, nothing is interesting	Garry Shandling meets Sharon Stone			rip garry larry rip garry larry		1:35:15 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Charlie Kaufman	I wanted to do something that I don't know how to do, and offer you the experience of watching someone fumble						1:36:06 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Andre Gregory	There's got to be another way	Some Girls					1:36:30 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Albert Brooks	i feel like i'm slipping,but do people who are slipping feel that way,or only bc my standards are so high	Broadcast News					1:36:46 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
John Lawrence, John Carpenter	They are dismantling the sleeping middle class. We are being bred for slavery	They Live					1:37:01 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Julie Andrews	In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun	Mary Poppins					1:37:53 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Wayne Dyer	You don't blame your parents. You didn't know how to deal effectively with them						1:38:21 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
David Lynch	I started selling out even before we started shooting. It was making me physically sick		2014	Totally absurd to be working on something that you can't say how it should be.			1:39:45 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Richard Dreyfuss	Audiences know what to expect, and that is all that they are prepared to believe in						1:40:31 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Tom Cruise	I will not apologize for who I am, I will not apologize for what I need, I will not apologize for what I want	Magnolia					1:40:51 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Walter Murch	Li: You get things you would be unlikely to get except by chance						1:41:06 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
David Lynch	Business is run on money						1:41:55 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ralph Richardson, Peter Vaughan	I will be free, and the world will be different. i will have knowledge of computers,supreme being created slugs,lunatic,i would've started with lasers	Time Bandits			Are we not in the hands of a lunatic? Are we not in the hands of a lunatic?		1:42:09 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Harlan Ellison	TV on in restaurants, and nobody watching. People are stupid. They feel imposed upon if you remove that giant tit from their mouth (radio is wonderful)			You've got to have a good thumb, and that's about it.			1:43:05 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Garry Shandling	Stand-up allowed me to find out who I authentically am						1:44:37 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Alan Watts	It's incredibly important to unthink at least once a day						1:45:25 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ray Winstone, Joseph Fiennes	You have a decision to make. Every day we make hundreds of thousands of decisions. Decisions are easy	The Very Thought of You (aka "Martha - Meet Frank, Daniel and Laurence")		Time's up!			1:45:35 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Nada Surf	Blizzard of 77 loop "Blizzard of 77 loop" by "Nada Surf"						1:47:22 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Royksopp	Royksopp Forever loops "Royksopp Forever loops" by "Royksopp"						1:47:44 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Bob Seger	Living Inside My Heart loops						1:48:33 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ken	A blank piece of paper in front of you, waiting for your monologue to emerge. You wondered when you'd know. How would you know when it was finished?		2019	Variation of Last Ever Feedback Page		* ***	1:49:08 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
	The end "The end"						1:57:32 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	@2:59 Ken From Hyde Park: Testing?
	@3:00 mb: 1-2, 1-2?
	@3:00 Phillippe Bastille: The link worked! That's a good start, right?
	@3:00 Rich in Washington: Hello. Did I pass the test?
	@3:00 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Hi Ken. Comments will look the sameish. The bigger changes will be on the songs side. But comments will be different on a phone mobile browser!
	@3:01 Mary Wing: Dynamic!
	@3:01 Rich in Washington: I feel weird. Kind of dizzy. Is that normal?
	@3:01 chris: very nice.
	@3:02 Mr Fab: Hi Kenzo, how is this "dynamic" Any special bells and whistles in store? Free balloons for the kids?
	@3:03 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Everything about the songs listing is super live. No more flashing page reloads once a minute.
	@3:04 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I can even throw you all out to the bottom and then immediately welcome you back in...here comes that...
	@3:04 Phillippe Bastille: @Kenzo the no flashing will make me VERY happy.
	@3:05 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): The page should look a lot better on a phone browser. (No effect on the apps...) wfmu.org...
	@3:06 Rich in Washington: Ooo! Fancy!
	@3:06 Rich in Washington: There's no delay once you hit 'update'?
	@3:06 Phillippe Bastille: The one thing that's a little weird for me is that when the comments autoscroll, the bottom line is half cutoff horizontally (PC, Firefox)
	@3:07 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @Philllllllppe Yeah, I'm seeing that too right now. And the auto-scroll/arrow thing isn't always kicking in.
	@3:07 mb: I kind of like the flashing page. It has snapped me out of many cannabis induced hazes.
	@3:08 Phillippe Bastille: The autoscroll rarely worked for me
	@3:08 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Well instead of flashing you're going to get sea sick from all the fading in and out of song changes.
	@3:08 Rich in Washington: It seems to have eliminated the persistent 'down' arrow at the bottom of the comments that I encounter w/Mac - Chrome. It actually prevents one from highlighting text - like if you wanna copy someone's name to reply. I don't see thathere, which is nice.
	@3:09 Phillippe Bastille: Dramamine, cannabis, all kind of the same
	@3:09 mb: Autoscroll rarely worked and sometimes the arrow stayed lit indicating there was a new post BUT there was not a new post.
	@3:09 Rich in Washington: I could see me getting used to the fading in playlist entries.
	@3:09 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Yeah, the comments arrow/scroll thing didn't work right on some browsers and I think that's still the case. Maybe the persistent arrow will happen less, but I want to get that whole thing working better.
	@3:09 Rich in Washington: Yeah, mb. That's exactly what I meant. It was sort of a pain.
	@3:11 Phillippe Bastille: I think the down arrow was some kind of sophisticated AI/machine learner that knew someone was thinking about posting
	@3:13 Rich in Washington: Now I'm listening to two shows AND the House of Representatives hearing at the same time.
	@3:14 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): If anyone wants to try it on a mobile browser I'd love to hear about it...
	@3:15 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): One comments change is that if you keep commenting after the show ends and things are at the bottom, the comments will keep updating for a while; so, that last bit of convo won't be lost.
	@3:16 Ken From Hyde Park: ˙ʇsǝʇ ɹǝɥʇouɐ sᴉ ǝɹǝH
	@3:17 Rich in Washington: I'm on my Android phone now.
	@3:19 Rich in Washington: Hmmm. Honestly I don't know what the difference is, as I rarely visit playlists on my phone, but it seems a bit easier than I remember it. Definitely better than the app and unofficial app.
	@3:20 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): The text is more of a normal size rather than a crazy desktop page zoom, plus the comments and songs are kept separate (if your screen is narrow enough).
	@3:21 Rich in Washington: Yeah. I'm definitely going to read and comment this way on my phone.
	@3:22 Rich in Washington: Yeah. Much better than I remember it. The app is really awful for commenting.
	@3:22 Rich in Washington: Sorry if you had anything to do with the app.
	@3:23 Ken From Hyde Park: On Windows Firefox browser, as comments come in, I have to move the scroll bar down to see them. The floating arrow thingie isn't appearing like in the previous version (when you click it, it would zoom you down to the bottom of the comments).
	@3:23 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Not a thing (well, it interacts with my server backend of course) and yeah it's awful. There's a new one from a new dev right around the corner, though!
	@3:24 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP If you reload the page once, does that keep being the case?
	@3:26 chris: in duck duck go ios, i can't submit comments because the submit button is cut off
	@3:26 chris: same for safari
	@3:27 Rich in Washington: The preview/submit button works for me on Android.
	@3:28 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @chris Thanks for that feedback. Any chance you can send me a screenshot? To kenzo at wfmu.org
	@3:28 Ken From Hyde Park: Reloaded and now the new comments appear at the bottom automatically.
	@3:28 chresti: testing testing..
	@3:28 chris: also can't resize page in either browser (ios), so there's a lot of scrolling
	@3:28 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP Yeah there seems to be a sometimes-bug on first page load but I haven't tracked it down.
	@3:29 mb: Test Sent by iPhone from the webpage not the app
	@3:29 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @chris What kind of resizing do you mean? If I remove the image (doing that in a sec), does it all fit?
	@3:30 BH: on Chrome, the auto-scroll to the most recent comments might take some getting used to (as opposed to opening the page and the bar being at the bottom already)
	@3:30 mb: ^Safari browser on iPhone
	@3:32 chris: no comments at all in safari on old crappy ipad running ios 10.3.4
	@3:32 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @BH Do you mean, it's not auto scrolling? Or on first load it's not at the bottom?
	@3:33 chris: oh let me check, Kenzo
	@3:33 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @chris Oh I'd love to know what you're seeing there on your ipad...
	@3:34 chris: yeah, much better when narrower artist/tracklist. i mean resizing window with finger gestures, just bounces back to whatever the page width is
	@3:34 Ken From Hyde Park: Hello from Microsoft Edge browser. Nothing unusual to report.
	@3:34 Phillippe Bastille: When I scroll up to read the comments I missed when I was on a call, the floating arrow appears, so that's good, right?
	@3:35 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Does anyone still see "Changing stuff at the top..." at the top of the page?
	@3:35 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @Phill Yes, that's good!
	@3:35 chris: Kenzo, on ipad, empty comments column - no comments, no post comment box
	@3:35 Phillippe Bastille: Nope
	@3:36 ParUbi: IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING
	@3:36 chris: actually on iphone, looks like the width is defined by size of artist/tracklist table
	@3:36 Phillippe Bastille: Test song pop-ups are working
	@3:37 chris: yes on iphone and ipad to the changing stuff at top... line. not on chrome, tho
	@3:37 BH: Kenzo, I mean, it appears to be working. Open site, the comments bar starts at the top and scrolls to the most recent comments. As opposed to opening and already being at the most recent.
	@3:38 Ken From Hyde Park: I take that back about M.E. browser. It's not repainting the comments. The comment at 3:33 is at the bottom and it's overlaying new comments as they arrive. Will try sending a picture.
	@3:38 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Who sees "Do you only see this" and also sees "Changing stuff at the top..." below it?
	@3:38 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP Eeek, it's writing new comments on top of old comments?
	@3:39 chris: after page reload, the changing stuff at top line went away everywhere
	@3:39 Ken From Hyde Park: Raises hand ... I see that.
	@3:40 ParUbi: I see Max from Pi
	@3:40 Phillippe Bastille: I only see the this but not the also. Viewing on Firefox and Opera (talent!)
	@3:40 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Yeah, it'll def go away after page reload, but it shouldn't have been there...
	@3:40 Martinibomb: Tes test.. is this thing on?
	@3:41 chris: love, love, love the way the table rebuilds itself!
	@3:42 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Yeah I've gotta make this a bit resizeable in mobile view.
	@3:44 Phillippe Bastille: Not that any sane person would be viewing the playlist on two different browsers at the same time, but the dynamic changes happen at different times on the two browsers, sometimes first on Firefox, sometimes first on Opera
	@3:44 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Now a whole redraw of the comments section will happen...
	@3:45 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @PB Heh, that's OK.
	@3:45 Phillippe Bastille: Redraw worked on Firefox, couldn't tell on Opera
	@3:45 ParUbi: Everything is active.
	@3:47 Phillippe Bastille: Funny watching the two Shatners at the same time. On one side his head is whipping left, the other whipping right. Both are satisfying to watch each and of themselves, but together its pure heaven
	@3:48 -Ken: Song list is updating very gracefully on W7, Chrome 79.0
	@3:49 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Test here
	@3:49 Ken From Hyde Park: OK, sent over a picture from Windows 10 and the Edge browser. I don't usually use that, but fired it up to see how it worked.
	@3:51 Phillippe Bastille: Not sure if this is relevant or just interesting, but on Firefox kenzo's name is in white, Ken from HP and mine are in red, everyone else's is green. On Opera, everybody's green.
	@3:55 still b/p: Commenter names turn red in Chrome after you have clicked on them to look at listener profile. Didja look? Didjaaaaa..?
	@3:55 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Visited profile link color is different from non-visited.
	@3:56 Rich in Washington: Dammit. I missed the twin shatner heads!
	@3:57 Rich in Washington: I never noticed the name color changing thing before. This is not new, is it?
	@3:58 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Not new
	@3:59 Ken From Hyde Park: In the previous version, I could make the comments column wider or narrower. It seems to be at a fixed width now. Similar for the "Post comment!" box. Can't make it taller or shorter. It's a fixed height.
	@4:00 Rich in Washington: Funny. I'd long noted that some people's names were differently colored but never knew why. Pathologically, just thought to myself that's it's because everyone is better than me. I possessed the ability to change my name color all along.
	@4:02 Rich in Washington: Is it significantly different under the hood for programmers, Kenzo?
	@4:03 still b/p: Everyone must now click on alternate names in the whole comment stack -- A, not B, then C, not D. Making red/green. Because Christmas.
	@4:03 Phillippe Bastille: Hmm, don't think I ever looked at Ken's profile. Pretty sure I looked at Rich's and it is green (Rich, are you the guy who started a show on Sheena, or was that someone else's profile I looked at?). Looked at still b/p on Opera and it is red but is still green on Firefox. I need to close one of these before I go crazy.
	@4:04 Rich in Washington: I did start a show on Sheena's! I'm still starting it every week!
	@4:05 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @Rich, what are you asking?
	@4:05 Rich in Washington: I see now that people's names/profile links just follow visited link behaviors.
	@4:06 Phillippe Bastille: Then I DID look at your profile. But your name is still green (sigh). Ken from HP, you don't have a show, do you?
	@4:06 Rich in Washington: Oh, just curious what the programmer side of the playlist will look like, if it's significantly different, etc. I can take my answers off the air.
	@4:06 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I mean about programmers
	@4:07 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): You mean for DJ's, ah. No changes there.
	@4:08 Mr Fab: Doesn't seem much different on desktop PC/Google, but agreed on the Android phone - MUCH improved, thank you, good sir!
	@4:08 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Hmm I can make mobile zoom-inable but not zoom-outable.
	@4:10 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): On mobile, I'm finding this new way where you might have to scroll left and right on the songs list if it's very detailed to be far better than the old way.
	@4:12 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP Thanks for screenshot about the W10 Edge Browser issue. Serious...happening consistently, comments are always getting overlaid?
	@4:14 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP If you reload your page, wait for one comment to come, and then show me that screenshot, I could better understand what on earth is happening there.
	@4:19 Ken From Hyde Park: Out for a quick walk. Will make another screenshot when I get back. Emoji test: ♥️ ☠️
	@4:21 Ken From Hyde Park: Santa and football emojis and text that followed did not appear.
	@4:24 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): That's probably not a new problem. Some newer unicode doesn't work here yet.
	@4:28 Ike: Greetings, humans!
	@4:28 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Hi Ike! Watch the songs list for a sec
	@4:37 Ike: Oops, sorry, I may have missed something in the songs list because I was working.
	@4:39 still b/p: Quite unrelated to important visual and technical assessments, but a thin degree of fun: When I grab any edge of the browser window to adjust size, Shatner slows down and gets haltingly slappy while the adjustment is active, like his paw's taking a dramatic pause.
	@4:42 Ike: In Chrome it seems even harder than usual to adjust the frame size. It's always a pain in Chrome (I prefer Firefox, but there are work issues).
	@4:43 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Which frame size...be specific?
	@4:44 Ike: When trying to grab the vertical line between the comments and the main playlist window and move it left or right.
	@4:44 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Is it even possible anymore?
	@4:49 Ike: Not as far as I can tell, but I haven't been able to devote much time to it.
	@4:49 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Yeah, can't do it anymore, although I'd like to restore that ability. Thanks for mentioning!
	@4:53 Ken From Hyde Park: I minimized the Edge browser window before taking my break and it seems to be behaving normally now. Going to try closing the window and opening a new one.
	@4:54 Ken From Hyde Park: And that comment broke it again. I have a fresh screengrab to send.
	@4:55 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Is this an otherwise normal computer and normal-working browser?
	@4:56 Ken From Hyde Park: Yes, up-to-date Windows 10 and as far as I know Edge is up to date. I normally use Firefox.
	@4:57 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I look forward to seeing if others have Edge issues today too.
	@4:58 still b/p: Don't know if this matters or you already covered it: When adjusting browser window size horizontally to be smaller, going from either left or right, everything at the top and the comments area adapts with line-breaks, etc. to stay "whole" and visible, but the actual playlist grid stays same size/layout and gets covered up by the comments stack as it slides across. Eventually, at the max horiz adjustment it'll let me do, the left section of the playlist is only visible to half the "Format" column. On Irwin's now-active playlist, his 3 columns do reduce themselves horizontally to stay visible. On David W now-active playlist, the horizontal adjustment will have comment area moving over to cover just his far-right DJ comment column. Make sense?
	@4:59 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @still, which browser and OS?
	@5:02 still b/p: Chrome Version 79.0.3945.79 on an old Mac, OS X El Capitan 10.11.6
	@5:03 fred: Hello Kenzo and all
	@5:06 chresti: Looking with a chrome browser on a windows 10 laptop, I don't see much difference except the fade-in when a new track or image appears
	@5:06 ParUbi: Re-joining, hello everyone.
	@5:10 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): The fact that each new song is fading in twice instead of once is not a sign of a problem...it only has to do with a very unusual thing I have to do with today's playlist.
	@5:11 chresti: I like the fade-in effect
	@5:13 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Test in a mobile or tablet browser if you can! wfmu.org...
	@5:14 fred: Looks good to me, now that I know the second fade-in is intentional. Should I be looking at anything special?
	@5:15 Ken From Hyde Park: Observation on Android / Chrome: with the phone vertical, you must choose either the song playlist grid or the comments. Turn the phone sideways and in landscape mode, you see both.
	@5:16 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP: That's by design. Do you see the button to switch back and forth?
	@5:17 Ken From Hyde Park: Yes, it works well.
	@5:19 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Someone try favoriting new songs if you haven't yet.
	@5:21 Ike: Favoriting seems OK on an iPhone Ghostery browser.
	@5:21 fred: The timestamp in the rightmost column only appears on the second fade-in, but I guess that's intentional Also, the font in the comment box looks bigger than usual
	@5:21 Mr Fab: I favorited a song. Got the yellow star.
	@5:21 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I'll have to increase the frequency of favorites data updates, so you aren't disturbed by the disappearance of your star for 30 seconds before it comes back.
	@5:22 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): When a song gets updated, star might go away and then come back on its own, which isn't a new issue, always confuses some people, but will happen more now with the frequent song updates...will adjust soon.
	@5:24 Rich in Washington: The stars are coming out. There's a voice saying 'the stars are coming out'.
	@5:25 Ken From Hyde Park: At some point, will there be "thumbs down" boxes for Felder tracks?
	@5:27 fred: Very minor detail: when a new comment comes up, the last line is not completely visible, I have to scroll down a little (this doesn't happen on Irwin's playlist (Firefox 71.0, Windows 10 1903/18362.535)
	@5:29 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @fred Yeah for me too and others... Is auto-scroll/arrow thing working for you? It's supposed to auto-scroll to next comment if you're already at the bottom, or fade the arrow into view if you're not at the bottom, and then arrow disappear after you scroll to bottom or after you click it, which also scrolls to bottom.
	@5:29 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Oh yeah I forgot I can play with colors
	@5:30 still b/p: A pumpkin spice seizure!
	@5:31 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Reload the page once, and then I can play with background colors subsequently.
	@5:35 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Anyone have a good idea for a font? And I wonder if different font make comment space at bottom go away.
	@5:35 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Nope it doesn't.
	@5:36 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Can't believe my phone doesn't support comic sans
	@5:36 fred: The auto-scroll arrow did appear and worked as described
	@5:37 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Anyone else using Edge? Seems problematic from one report... Anyone else have an iPad or other tablet to test on?
	@5:37 Ken From Hyde Park: What was that one? Comic Sans? It went to the separator line for that one. Otherwise, it seems to be the bottom-most pixel of the text.
	@5:39 still b/p: I x n a y o n i s t h a y o n t f a y.
	@5:39 chresti: The font is different
	@5:40 Dave In St Albans UK: I am using the "unofficial" Woof Moo WFMU app on Android. Everything on all streams working perfectly. Like a dream!
	@5:40 chresti: now it's better
	@5:40 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): The app is unaffected. I'm looking for people to test from mobile browsers.
	@5:42 Ken From Hyde Park: I notice that on the phone, I can make the page reload by swiping down. Couldn't do that on the old version. Had to navigate to the refresh icon.
	@5:42 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I really want to automate the rapid changing of colors. It'll be such a hit
	@5:44 Rich in Washington: oh, that's crazy. I keep thinking there's something wrong with my monitors
	@5:45 Ken From Hyde Park: Dͨ͗̇ͥͩ̇ͥo͗͐ͣe̲̖̤̗ͨͣͭ̃s̖͇͒̃ t̠̼̣͓̘̱̃ͩ̑̓͛͒h͉̯̳̰͙̼͋͆ͤ̉̎̋i͒͒s̘̗̫̭̹̝̓͊͐ͫ̃̂ ̖͇̦̘͖̳̆̋̓̿̈̉me̥̬͓͈͉̗͑̈́ͥ͆̉̄s̝̯͍̤s̱̫̬͂͆̾ up͐̌̽͊ ͭ̄ͮ̋̀a̜̪̳̯̩̲͇ͫ͊ͯ̉̆̍ͩn̎̄ͧ̇̐y͒̈́̀ṭ̼̗̞̰̒̈̊ͤ͋h̺̮͓̯̜ͅi̥̫̞̭̲̝̓ͦ͛ͬ͗̀n̘̼͂̒ġ͗̎͋̓̒̌?
	@5:46 Ike: Auto-color change would be hilarious.
	@5:48 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP: Actually, it DOES mess up some things! How interesting.
	@5:49 Dave in St Alban's UK: Using Edge on Android. Comments section displaying nicely with the background colour changing. Fun! I can't shrink the playlist to fit my screen though.
	@5:49 Ken From Hyde Park: www.zalgogenerator.com
	@5:49 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @Dave Yeah, I can't find a way to allow mobile shrinking...
	@5:52 tester: Not sure if I'm the only one experiencing this, but the comments & posting parts of the page are empty on Safari (version 12 on iPad, version 13 on Mac/Catalina)
	@5:52 still b/p: iPhone 8 v 13.1.2 When I go sideways, I get playlist and it makes some right-side space for comment column but there's nothing there in that column, just bg color without any text, lines, boxes, borders. I can do the back and forth full-screen from list to comments if holding phone in vertical orientation.
	@5:52 Martinibomb: awesome looking!
	@5:52 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Hi, tester. Can you be more specific? A screenshot would be really nice, too. Send to kenzo at wfmu.org
	@5:53 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): It sounds like tablet responsive view isn't working right, or maybe it's iOS specific...
	@5:54 tester: OK (BTW it's ok on iOS for iPhone)
	@5:54 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I wonder if an arrow-like effect is needed for the songs list as well, so you know there's something at the bottom to scroll to see. I keep forgetting to scroll.
	@5:55 Dave in St Alban's UK: Really like the crazy background and text colour changes. Some combinations are easier on the eyes. :-)
	@5:55 Rich in Washington: Oh man! My cones and rods! I am bleeding from the eyeholes.
	@5:55 ParUbi: This is a pretty unreadable combination :D
	@5:56 ParUbi: well, it was
	@5:57 Rich in Washington: uh oh! Someone left the playlist out in the sun or washed it in warm water or both.
	@5:57 northguineahills: The comments overlaying on each other reflect the lyrical content of the show.
	@5:58 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I want to do a BPM-synched color changing effect.
	@5:59 fred: A playlist arrow might be useful for your show, but maybe not many others
	@6:00 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Yeah I was thinking that. But maybe....
	@6:00 Ken From Hyde Park: Image observation: with the old version, if you click on an image to enlarge it, you could use the up- or down-arrow key to go to the next one and enlarge it. With this version, they keys scroll the page up/down and the enlarged image moves with along with the page.
	@6:00 ParUbi: Karate means "empty hand" right? So where isn't karate? When you're holding something. Bam!
	@6:01 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP Lemme add more images and see
	@6:01 still b/p: T-Mobile will sue you if you use magenta. They've sued others.
	@6:02 Ken From Hyde Park: I should amend that. The up/down arrow makes the image go back to its embedded state.
	@6:02 fred: Well, if you have the code for the arrow and it doesn't mess up the rest, why not?
	@6:02 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I think a song arrow is needed for anyone. It's awkward scrolling to top and bottom over and over, you don't know where to sit on the page.
	@6:04 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP: The arrow issue goes away if you reload the page after there are multiple images. So the issue is that when I dynamically add an image to the page, it doesn't get added to the list of arrow-reachable images. Will add to my list...
	@6:05 Rich in Washington: I had to look that up, still b/p. That's nuts.
	@6:05 Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): oooh, fancy!
	@6:05 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @fred It's awkward because there's other junk below the playlist.
	@6:05 Ken From Hyde Park: <Spock voice> Fascinating.
	@6:06 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Color show for Tuna...
	@6:07 Rand al'Thor: Ooh, new playlist stuff!
	@6:07 Ken From Hyde Park: OK, yeah. I reload the page and now I can embiggen Kirk or the disco colors using the arrows.
	@6:07 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Welcome to a new world ish
	@6:07 Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): WOW!
	@6:08 Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): ouch!
	@6:08 Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): that fade is so fancy
	@6:09 Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): is it white on white??!!
	@6:09 Phillippe Bastille: Came back for the music, staying for the test.
	@6:09 Phillippe Bastille: Also the other way around
	@6:09 Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): or i guess it's called a dissolve?
	@6:09 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): All the worst colors, all at once. The inside joke is that all color changing abilities will be going away site-wide before long.
	@6:10 Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them): whatever it is, fun!
	@6:10 still b/p: Filling it softly with his tracks, Filling it softly....with his tracks...
	@6:13 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @KenFHP Now I have two separate cursor key worlds, one for new image and one for prior imageS.
	@6:15 Phillippe Bastille: Ok, was scrolling the playlist and when I hovered over the comments they would not scroll. When I clicked in the comments window it would then scroll. The playlist scrolled whether I clicked in it or not
	@6:15 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @PB Hovered? Hard to follow what you're saying.
	@6:16 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): FYI streamers: Bodega Pop live will be starting about 30 minutes late today. Gary stuck in a tunnel...
	@6:20 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): That Star Trek writer woman who died recently disavowed herself of having written the first version of this episode.
	@6:20 Phillippe Bastille: Yeah, when I put my cursor over the playlist and used the scroll wheel the playlist window scrolled. When I put my cursor over the comments window and used the scroll wheel, the comments window did not scroll. After I clicked within the comments window and used the scroll wheel, the comments window scrolled. When I moved the cursor back over the playlist window and used the scroll mouse the playlist window scrolled without having to click inside it.
	@6:22 Phillippe Bastille: Seems to be a non-replicatable issue
	@6:23 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @PB I get it. Hard one to address.
	@6:23 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): How the hell can you listen to four pieces of music at the same time?
	@6:25 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I'm working on crazy software that does some fun and some useful things and takes 19 years.
	@6:25 Phillippe Bastille: I'm sure. I'm still trying to figure out how urls work
	@6:26 Phillippe Bastille: This is fun! Can we do it every week?
	@6:26 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I picked a pretty big playlist to test this on.
	@6:28 Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Always a unique experience even more than one time.
	@6:30 fred: "test insert" showed up in the middle, then to the left, then gone, now four times to the left
	@6:30 Revolution Rabbit Nov63: 19 years ~ eclipse cycles - called 'Saros'.
	@6:30 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Thanks Fred! All as intended.
	@6:31 fred: Now the extra line is gone
	@6:32 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Need a feature to greyscale the avatar images
	@6:35 chresti: Ah..grey is easier on the eyeballs
	@6:36 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Charlie Kaufman has written a book
	@6:37 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Totally need songs auto scroll
	@6:39 Phillippe Bastille: @kenzo agreed
	@6:40 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): New system isn't even making a blip on CPU or disks or DB
	@6:42 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): 112 things on this playlist. Probably a wee bit above WFMU average.
	@6:42 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Gotta get iPad and Edge working for comments
	@6:43 fred: Ken could probably also use song auto scroll, with all the GIFs taking up space
	@6:43 WR: Just connected. Android with chrome.
	@6:44 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @WR What's it like?
	@6:45 WR: Ok so far. Getting acclimated
	@6:46 Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Pay no attention to that Kenzo behind the curtain. Quite a Composition indeed.
	@6:47 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I should paste the source code with each song
	@6:48 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): But it might all look like var a={i:function(){return $("div.comments").scrollTop()+$("div.comments").height()+1>=$("div.comments")[0].scrollHeight},b:function(){var b=a.B("#body","html");$(b).animate({scrollTop:$("div.comments")[0].scrollHeight+15},2E3,function(){a.a()})},a:function(){a.i()&&($("#body").stop(),$("#downarrow").fadeOut(500))},m:function(){$.ajax({url:a.A,dataType:"json",data:{t:a.l},success:function(b){a.s(b)},error:function(){a.f()}})},s:function(b){if(null!=b)if("token"in b&&(a.l=b.token),"reload"in b)a.j(); else if("newframe"in b)$("#body").append(b.newframe),$("#downarrow").fadeOut(0);else if("newcomments"in b){var e=a.i();$("table#comments-table").append(b.newcomments);a.g()&&(e?a.b():$("#downarrow").fadeIn(1E3))}a.f()},f:function(){window.setTimeout(a.m,a.w)},j:function(){$("span#comments_table_replaceable").load(window.location.pathname+" #comments-table")},v:function(b,e,c,g,d){a.A=b;a.w=e;a.l=c;a.h=g;a.o=d;a.c(1);a.f()},c:function(b){a.u\|\|($("div.comments").on("scroll",a.a),a.g()&&(a.b(),a.a()), a.u=b?0:1)},B:function(b,e){for(var c=0,g=arguments.length;c<g;c++){var d=arguments[c],f=$(d);if(0<f.scrollTop())return d;f.scrollTop(1);var h=0<f.scrollTop();f.scrollTop(0);if(h)return d}return[]},F:function(){$("div.comments,div.post").toggleClass("overlay");$("div.songs_except_comments").toggleClass("under");a.c(0)},D:function(b){$("link#noframes_style").attr("href",b?a.h:a.o);b&&(a.b(),a.a())},C:function(b){b?$("div.post").show():$("div.post").hide()},g:function(){return $("link#noframes_style").attr("href")== a.h}};window.KDBPComm=a;a.scrollToBottom=a.b;a.initialize=a.v;a.initCommSec=a.c;a.view_switch=a.F;a.set_style_live_comments=a.D;a.set_comment_form_visibility=a.C;a.reloadCommentsSection=a.j;
	@6:49 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Someone should edit that to fix W10 Edge
	@6:53 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Thanks everyone for the listening and presence and testing and talking and thinking and helping. Any ideas at all, please send them on. Watch how you can even keep typing comments after the show is over and they'll show up right away! You won't lose that last comment you were typing, either. Look, I can throw you all to the bottom temporarily and we can see...
	@6:53 WR: Now stop that Ken. Let the guts be on the inside where the guts are supposed to be. Regarding the update. Ya done good. Not sure why others saying something about auto scroll for the playlist. I'm ok without that. The now playing at the top updated and if I scroll to the bottom the entry is there.
	@6:54 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @WR Maybe so. But now the bottom is a more fun and updated place to be looking than the now playing at the top.
	@6:55 WR: I like being in control so the auto scroll ever time now playing updates has been an irritant to me.
	@6:55 Rand al'Thor: I like the new playlist.
	@6:56 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @WR Well maybe an arrow that leads you to the bottom if you press it, and auto-scroll if you're already at the bottom that keeps you there. i.e. Like I do with the comments already.
	@6:56 northguineahills: Thanks, Ken!
	@6:56 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Here I'm going to pretend to end the playlist and then start it back up and you should all not be affected at all.
	@6:57 Rand al'Thor: Thank you for the show and the playlists, Kenzo!
	@6:57 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Uh oh it didn't resume me automatically on my phone browser
	@6:57 Phillippe Bastille: Thanks Ken. Once both the comments and playlist windows scroll, it will make my listening experience much better when I'm listening while working. With the current format, I have to stop what I'm doing to scroll to see what others are saying or what song is playing. With the new and improved interface, I just have to look up
	@6:57 tester: Update on Safari: toggling 'overflow: scroll' off (in dev tools) on div.songs_except_comments makes it work again.
	@6:58 WR: now on w10 with firefox
	@6:58 chresti: Thanks Kenzo!
	@6:58 Phillippe Bastille: *autoscroll
	@6:58 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): By the way everyone, Gary is stuck on a train and so Bodega Pop Live will be delayed by about half an hour today.
	@6:58 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @PB Auto scroll comments doesn't work for you? Remind me which OS/browser...
	@6:59 WR: LOL. I gotta go get on a train now.
	@6:59 Rand al'Thor: What's filling in the half hour until then?
	@6:59 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @tester Makes which work again? And feel free to let me know who you are, helpful tester!
	@6:59 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Random selections from Doug's Drummersome song collection.
	@7:02 WR: On FF on w10 all looks same. Change was more noticable on the android, and having the chat and song list not showing at same time on the phone is OK design choice. Maybe even definitely better once people use it a couple times
	@7:02 Phillippe Bastille: @Kenzo comments do. I thought I saw somewhere that the playlist autoscrolling would be a nice enhancement
	@7:03 WR: Duh, by same I mean on FF on w10 it looks very much like as before the change.
	@7:04 tester: It makes the comments and posting box divs appear again on iPad and Mac Safari. Previously they were empty boxes. I assume the same would happen on plus sized iPhone in landscape as well.
	@7:06 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @WR Great. The real changes are that the songs section updates itself super dynamically, and that the page never does any full page reloading...
	@7:06 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @tester Thanks for the tip. These are up-to-date iPad's and Mac's, or non-updated?
	@7:08 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): @WR On mobile, I want to make it have a visual indicator when there's new comments or song, so you know you should flip over.
	@7:13 Ken From Hyde Park: Bye, see you next time. o͡͡͡╮༼ . •́ _ʖ •̀ . ༽╭o͡͡͡
	@7:14 WR: On the android the playlist page changed as usual for when it is "closed". The W10 FF playlist still says playlist is still being updated.
	@7:17 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Oh yeah I forgot to switch it to closed while you were all still here and test the post-show comment updating that now happens. Anyone still here?
	@7:17 WR: Or maybe not.... Unless you are still tweaking it I some how got confused. I went back to the page on the phone and back to playlist is still being updated.
	@7:18 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): OK, well, I'm going to switch it to "finished" mode and we can continue to add comments at the bottom without needing to reload page! Let's try...
	@7:19 WR: go for it.
	@7:19 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): It took me right to the bottom on one browser, but to the top on another. But here I am commenting..
	@7:20 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I will be excited if I see a reply from you show up...
	@7:20 WR: confused but commenting. W10 FF
	@7:21 Ken From Hyde Park: Example comment with the finished page.
	@7:21 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Hooraaaaaay
	@7:21 WR: Yes, the comment list updated without manual refreshed.
	@7:22 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I wish I could figure out how to allow mobile to zoom out.
	@7:25 WR: Yes, I noticed that mobile zoom went away, for some playlists I have to zoom in to read the tiny print. And I hope you just "re-opened" the playlist because thats what I see now.
	@7:26 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Zoom in should work. It's just that you can't zoom out further than the initial view, i.e. if you'd rather the wide playlist all fit on one little screen.
	@7:26 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Yeah I moved us back into in-progress view so as not to discourage further comments despite that those would still be live updated.
	@7:30 WR: Zoom only did a little bit, maybe because it is near the max? I dunno, but yes, cannot zoom out to make the playlist width small enough to fit into the screen.
	@7:30 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I can increase the allowable zoom in...will do some more now..
	@7:31 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Reload the page, should allow more zoom-in now.
	@7:32 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): I could allow a ton more zoom-in but I was worried about people getting lost. Your feedback helps.
	@7:34 WR: yes, that is good. It is enough to feel like it is responding.
	@7:36 Kenzo (Ken's Last Ever): Thanks for all your help today. Walking away from this now...
	@7:36 WR: I'm heading into Manhattan now, laters

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