WFMU: If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from December 16, 2019

Listener comments!
	9:10pm northguineahills: Gotta admit, I've never heard Somali reggae....
	9:17pm coelacanth∅: hey Sam and ngh and invisible horse-people
	9:18pm Sam Segal: NGH! Welcome! There have been several excellent archival compilations of Somali music that have come out over the last few years. Such a rich musical culture.
	9:18pm Sam Segal: Coel, welcome back to the Horse Zone!
	9:19pm coelacanth∅: i'm supposed to be over there (>) until 10 but you ruined my plan
	9:24pm chresti: Hello horse gold!
	9:25pm fleep: Howdy, listening from the top, been doing cat things
	9:26pm Dean: Visited a neighborhood record store yesterday. Walked away with a handful of $1 LPs, including Leo Kottke's Greenhouse, which is a truly lovely album, top to bottom.
	9:31pm Dean: I swear, WFMU's schedule changes are way more complicated than any LSAT word problem.
	9:35pm Sam Segal: Hahaha, I should've warned you that you might need to grab your scratch paper to draw a diagram, Dean!
	9:36pm Sam Segal: Cat things! I know them well, Fleep!
	9:36pm Sam Segal: Hello, Gilded Chresti!
	9:42pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, I saw Leo at the Yoshies in Oakland, in I think 2012. He's always been a talker, but that time it was more talk than playing the guitar.
	9:47pm Dean: Greenhouse is 1972, the early years. I love some of his later stuff, e.g., the live album from Denver, in which he performs a version of the Sutherland Bros. & Quiver's "Arms of Mary" not to be bettered, but for the most part, it's the early stuff that grabs me. Way the hell back in, I dunno, 1990?, I saw a Kottke acolyte at the Fret Shop in Covina. Was wonderful. Wish I could remember his name!
	9:49pm Ike: My cats are taking a break from chasing each other around the place and knocking things over.
	9:50pm Sam Segal: Ha! My cats were just doing the same thing, Ike. Felt like they were trying to start a mosh pit,
	9:51pm Ike: Cat mosh pit, ROTFL
	9:55pm Franco Twinkie: Yeah, I was totally smitten with Leo Kottke when I saw Pacific Vibrations in 1970. They passed out programs with the movie that had a list of all the musical performers. That was the first time I ever heard Beaver and Krause as well.
	9:58pm still b/p: As if cats weren't unusual enough...last night I saw an animated version of Beatrix Potter's The Tale of Samuel Whiskers or, The Roly-Poly Pudding. The cats and the rats and the story all weird AF. Seeing it in certain states would be wonderful or mind-shaking.
	10:01pm Dean: Dee RYE-uh
	10:02pm Dean: My German is perfect, because I studied the language for exactly zero seconds over the course of my multiple decades.
	10:03pm Dean: But I spent some time in Frankfurt, Linz, and Vienna, so there's that.
	10:04pm Dean: A Clean Feed band!
	10:04pm coelacanth∅: okay, now i'm committed ...as i should be
	10:06pm Sam Segal: Immensely helpful, Dean. I'll hit that one next time.
	10:06pm Sam Segal: SBP! I am intrigued!
	10:07pm chresti: I learned German from watching Hogan's Heroes
	10:10pm Dean: I learned American watching Hogan's Heroes. "I know nothing!"
	10:11pm Dean: Another of the $1 LPs I picked up was Joe Pass and Oscar Peterson (on clavichord!), a Pablo recital of tunes from Porgy & Bess. Exquisite.
	10:20pm Dean: Just noticing the chiasmus of vowel combinations across Clean Feed and Green Leaf.
	10:21pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, a friend of mines father was shot down over the English Channel by the Germans, and thrown into a POW camp. He really liked Hogan's Heroes, which my friend thought was kind of odd.
	10:24pm coelacanth∅: Franco @9.42 as the 1 time i saw Lee Scratch Perry. i could tell the band was used to it but after a while (a loooong while) they were obviously frustrated and even talking while he ranted on
	10:24pm Dean: Hogan's Heroes brings to mind two points of trivia: Colonel Klink was portrayed by Otto Klemperer's kid, and Bob Crane had issues.
	10:25pm Dean: Still another of the $1 LPs was the first (only?) Copperhead album, featuring John Cipollina.
	10:27pm Dean: Two Keith Jarrett "American Quartet" albums, a Bill Mays/Red Mitchell album, and a partridge in a pear tree. That was the take.
	10:28pm Sam Segal: Man, I love those American Quartet records, Dean. Incredible find for a dollar bin.
	10:29pm Dean: During the '90s I worked for a city one of whose council members was Red Mitchell's biological son. The resemblance was stunning. Agreed. Dewey Redman, Charlie Haden, and Paul Motian: solid noise.
	10:35pm Franco Twinkie: It's good to remember who you don't ever have to see again. For me, Lee Scratch Perry and Leo Kottke are both worthy contenders.
	10:38pm Dean: I'm not so sure it's good. I was thinking of stuff I wouldn't want to see again. Amy Grant (don't tell my wife!) and movies came to mind. Now I'm just pissed off.
	10:42pm Dean: Oh, and Johnny Cougar. He was awful.
	10:42pm Franco Twinkie: Well I suppose if I was in front of my house raking the leaves and someone I truly detested walked by singing or playing the saxophone, I wouldn't stop what I was doing and go in the house.
	10:43pm coelacanth∅: yeah i wouldn't go see Perry again. it's a bonus when a friend goes and finds out for you. i never considered seeing Dylan -even when he wasn't abominable; or public image limited...
	10:45pm Dean: I'm pleased I'll never have to see Kim Gordon again, but this is because the one and only show of hers I saw was at Victo in the late '90s, maybe '00 or '01. It was a notoriously bad performance with Jim O'Rourke and a cast of notables. I appreciated its crappiness, not least because one journalist was so obviously offended by it -- at a Victo show! But I was predisposed not to like it, because I think Sonic Youth is way overrated.
	10:47pm coelacanth∅: i quite enjoyed sonic youth when i saw them - even if it is overrated. (overrated doesn't = not good)
	10:48pm Franco Twinkie: I like Bob Dylan but I doubt I will go see him at this point. PIL I saw, but went only because....well I can't remember the logic in that one.
	10:49pm Dean: Saw PIL at Olympic Auditorium, first trip to LA. Effing amazing.
	10:51pm Franco Twinkie: Well there you go. That's the PIL show I saw. The blind man describes an elephant.
	10:51pm Dean: Now, see, here's where things get strained. I admire Lard Free, but think little of Nurse with Wound. What to do?
	10:52pm northguineahills: I saw Lee Perry in '99. Dj Spooky and Kool Keith also played....
	10:52pm Sam Segal: Well, you may not be a Nurse with Wound fan, but it seems you might have some overlap in taste with the band.
	10:52pm Dean: The 12YO kid? Los Lobos? Kipper Kids? You kidding me? That wasn't something to celebrate? Oh, yeah. PIL, too, were delivering exactly what we paid to hear.
	10:53pm Dean: Yeah, it's like Laswell. I generally don't admire his work. He's sloppy, in a word. But my tastes overlap with his.
	10:56pm Franco Twinkie: Yes. All those bands were terrific. It was a carnival of epic scale. So?
	10:57pm coelacanth∅: ngh i saw Perry c. '97-'98 don't remember who was with him but some heavies from ja. they were great! all3-4 songs!
	10:57pm northguineahills: If someone bought me tix to Dylan, I go (rather stoned), just to say I saw him. Who know, it might be good. I saw Ray Davies on a lark, and really didn't know much about the Kinks at the time, and it had some good moments I'd cherish.
	11:00pm Dean: So? You're not a fan of Rabelais, I take it. I dug Lydon's elaborate "fuck you." He wasn't the most elegant of communicators, and he demanded more attention than we needed to pay, but the band and the music were great. I also admired the choice of venue.
	11:01pm Sam Segal: I've seen Dylan maybe three times in the last ten years. All incredible performances. But I really enjoy late-period Dylan, which isn't for everyone I guess.
	11:02pm Franco Twinkie: Okay, I admit seen Los Lobos baptism of fire was pretty memorable, and The Kipper Kids throwing flour at all the people giving them shit was funny, AND it was a the motherfucking Olympic, and PIL were a good band....but John Lydon!?!
	11:03pm Dean: I've never seen Dylan, but I imagine that I would treasure even a bad performance by him. Lydon is the price we pay.
	11:04pm Franco Twinkie: I did once, but never again.
	11:08pm Dean: Sondheim?
	11:08pm coelacanth∅: i can just as well imagine a "Fuck You"; or read about it -or in my case hear about it.
	11:08pm Sam Segal: Good ear, Dean!
	11:10pm coelacanth∅: i don't need to pay for a "Fuck you" and it's pretty laughable that someone would - just so you can say you were there.
	11:11pm Dean: I generally despise Broadway musicals, and in many respects Sondheim's are the worst, but I do love his talent. Sweeney Todd is, for me, formative, and that was late into his career. I'm a huge fan of early 20th century recordings of Broadway shows, too.
	11:15pm Dean: Lydon was giving the "fuck you" to the industry that had begun to co-opt punk. He wasn't telling the (in the know) audience to fuck off.
	11:15pm coelacanth∅: when my friend Kevin saw pil c. 1980 lydon was such a scumbag that he had a screen come down to protect him and the band from the hurling bottles he justifiably expected. according to Kevin they half-heartedly jammed for a little while while lydon provoked the audience. then they just stopped (20 minutes?) and lydon mocked on the audience for wasting their money. why would i ever consider giving this (nearly talentless) asshole my money?
	11:19pm coelacanth∅: and by all accounts Dylan sometimes gives a shit and sometimes doesn't. for like $200. 3-4 decades ago why would i take that chance? he's a legend but he doesn't deserve my money. (that and i haven't liked anything he's done since blood on the tracks)
	11:20pm coelacanth∅: ...as northguineahills i'd go see Dylan if it was free (and fairly local) hell i'd even pay 5 bucks!
	11:22pm Franco Twinkie: Well I was really interested in the social upheaval that was promised at shows from that period, but sometimes the critical estimation of what was been presented was a little bit of a stretch. Just this evening I was saying to Chresti, tonight there is a great band playing an easy drive from here, but we are going to miss it, because it's to late, to loud, and I don't like standing on cement for a long time.
	11:24pm coelacanth∅: (semi-correction: desire is mostly good [not great] and basement tapes very good but that was from years before...so blood on the tracks, last great Dylan album)
	11:25pm Franco Twinkie: Agreed, agreed, agreed.
	11:26pm northguineahills: The Maneris w/ Barre Phillips, Yes!
	11:26pm coelacanth∅: there's a lot of over-estimation in music and scenes now too. in fact it's mostly over-estimation!
	11:30pm northguineahills: @Dean: I mostly agree w/ your assessment of Broadway musicals. Bronwyn does seems to find a few gems here and there. But the weird thing is, I find myself sometimes whistling musicals I can't recall remembering or listening to quite often....
	11:30pm northguineahills: Digging this Ecker/Meulyzer…..
	11:30pm Dean: I don't recall social upheaval ever being on the agenda of LA's punk scene. That's what I loved about it. I myself am a fan of social upheaval, but as scenes go, LA was chill. That's what attracted me.
	11:31pm Franco Twinkie: Now when I read about these supposed seismic shifts in pop-anti pop, I think: Who believes that this means anything?
	11:32pm northguineahills: what about the seismic shifts in the Antipop Consortium (once Beans left....)?
	11:32pm Sam Segal: This Ecker & Meulyzer was recorded at the Svalbard Global Seed Vault inside of a sandstone mountain on Spitsbergen Island in Norway.
	11:34pm Franco Twinkie: I agree, Dean. L.A. was just a rowdy good time, and I had the energy to enjoy it.
	11:35pm coelacanth∅: people do. people , at least in the us, will buy nearly everything the corporations/government wants to sell to them.
	11:36pm Dean: "A rowdy good time." Damn. On the money.
	11:36pm chresti: Well, I hope you'll still have time to play some junk in your new time slot, Sam, thank you and goodnight for now.
	11:37pm coelacanth∅: new time slot?
	11:38pm Dean: Yeah, coel, the shows are shifting around. It's shit like this that makes me appreciate conservatism.
	11:40pm northguineahills: I believe Spitsbergen is the 'capital' (only real town of any size w/ a permanent population in the Svalbard archipelago.
	11:42pm Dean: Love James Tenney.
	11:42pm Franco Twinkie: If You Lose Your Horse is going to be replaced with The Boiling Macaroni Hour, right? Oy! I'm just going to smoke some hash and go to bed.
	11:44pm coelacanth∅: so, first of all, 3 hours is a long hour... 2ndly, an hour is a long boiling of macaroni.
	11:47pm Dean: So we're going to lose our lose your horse?
	11:48pm Sam Segal: No, no, no one's losing any lost horse! Just sliding over to Wednesdays from 10 pm - Midnight ET!
	11:48pm northguineahills: Waddada Leo Smith!
	11:48pm coelacanth∅: seriously? i thought it was just moving to a different time Sam?
	11:48pm Sam Segal: Not going anywhere!
	11:48pm doctorjazz: Catching up with the chat, is there a new Drummer Stream schedule somewhere?
	11:49pm coelacanth∅: okay, good...but where's Larry going?
	11:49pm northguineahills: Damn, stepped out and missed james Tenney
	11:49pm Sam Segal: Larry is going to move to Thursdays from 3-5 pm.
	11:51pm doctorjazz: What show will be on Wednesday at 10? Who's on first?
	11:52pm coelacanth∅: 3-5?! that sucks! why can't he move to thursdays from 10-noon? ...fuckin' -Fabio's on between 3&5 on thursdays.
	11:52pm Sam Segal: Big Planet Noise will be on Mondays from 9-11 PM ET. @Doc, I don't think we've got a new schedule created yet. This news is hot off the press.
	11:53pm pf: this gossamer
	11:54pm Sam Segal: Sorry, Coel. I think the idea was the fill the 3-5 gap on Thursdays to create a lengthier block of back-to-back live shows.
	11:54pm doctorjazz: Saw Dylan in the mid 80s, which was exciting because, well, it was Dylan. Saw him come out to do the encores with the Band at their New Years Eve concert, 1971...lousy my mind at that one.
	11:55pm Sam Segal: Whole Hawkins record is beautiful, PF.
	11:55pm doctorjazz: Lost my mind, that is...
	11:55pm doctorjazz: This is lovely.
	11:56pm coelacanth∅: there are so many ...not great... shows on the main fmu now -more than ever... yet really good drummer stream shows keep moving to the same time periods as good shows on the main and the ichiban.
	11:59pm pf: thanks for the tip, Sam
	12:00am doctorjazz: Still Haven't checked out ichiban, not enough time to catch all these shows (and for squeezing other living in). Short but sweet, thanks, Sam!
	12:01am Franco Twinkie: All this schedule disruption in going to start a lot of hair pulling and higher blood pressure for us folks who live in their pajamas.
	12:03am coelacanth∅: dr.j there are a few really great shows on the ichiban. (3, especially)
	12:04am coelacanth∅: Thanks Sam! 'nightall
	12:05am doctorjazz: What should I try out, Coel(
	12:06am Franco Twinkie: Nighty night, Sam and company.
	12:26am David Foster Wallace: What the hell is water?
	🥁 8:31am WR: Saturday morning archive listen. I think you show following Bodega will be a good flow. Probably listen IRT more often.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Nimco Jamac	Buuraha U Dheer (The Highest Mountains)	Sweet As Broken Dates: Lost Somali Tapes from the Horn of Africa	Ostinato	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Bakaka Band	Gobonimada Jira (Choose Freedom)	Mogadisco - Dancing Mogadishu (Somalia 1972-1991)	Analog Africa	0:13:59 (Pop-up)
Dur Dur Band	Salkudhigey "Salkudhigey" by "Dur Dur Band"	Dur Dur Band of Somalia	Analog Africa	0:15:26 (Pop-up)

Malaria!	Geh Duschen "Geh Duschen" by "Malaria!"	Compiled 1981-1984	Moabit Musik	0:32:47 (Pop-up)
Itchy Bugger	Fooled by the Song "Fooled by the Song" by "Itchy Bugger"	Double Bugger	Low Company	0:36:55 (Pop-up)
Ween	Polka Dot Tail "Polka Dot Tail" by "Ween"	The Mollusk	Elektra	0:38:55 (Pop-up)
Insides	Distractions "Distractions" by "Insides"	Euphoria	4AD	0:41:49 (Pop-up)
Haruomi Hosono	Koiwa Momoiro (New Ver.)	Hochono House	Victor Entertainment	0:47:38 (Pop-up)
Die Reihe	Vocoder (Morgan Jefferson's Slew Hype Mix)	Vocoder	Anòmia	0:51:00 (Pop-up)

Angles 9	Mali "Mali" by "Angles 9"	Beyond Us	Clean Feed	1:05:05 (Pop-up)
Greg Ward Presents Rogue Parade	Let Him Live	Stomping Off From Greenwood	Green Leaf	1:16:02 (Pop-up)
Antoine Berjeaut & Makaya McCraven	Lost and Found	Moving Cities	I See Colors	1:18:06 (Pop-up)
Valentina Magaletti & Julian Sartorius	Sobaka	Sulla Pelle	Marionette	1:23:39 (Pop-up)
Gerald Cleaver & Violet Hour	Silly One	Live at Firehouse 12	Sunnyside	1:29:55 (Pop-up)

Robin Kenyatta	We'll Be So Happy "We'll Be So Happy" by "Robin Kenyatta"	Girl From Martinique	ECM	1:43:51 (Pop-up)
Lard Free	Warinobaril "Warinobaril" by "Lard Free"	Strain Crack & Break: Music from the Nurse With Wound List Volume 1	Finders Keepers	1:48:22 (Pop-up)
Duster	Letting Go "Letting Go" by "Duster"	Duster	Muddguts	1:52:34 (Pop-up)
Terry Allen & The Panhandle Mystery Band	Pedal Steal: Chapter 4	Pedal Steal + 4 Corners	Paradise of Bachelors	1:55:38 (Pop-up)
Arthur Russell	Just Regular People	Iowa Dream	Audika	2:02:32 (Pop-up)
Dean Jones	Being Alive "Being Alive" by "Dean Jones"	Company: Original Broadway Cast Recording	Columbia Masterworks	2:07:52 (Pop-up)
Pat Stanley	I Love a Cop "I Love a Cop" by "Pat Stanley"	Fiorello! Original Broadway Cast	Capitol	2:10:27 (Pop-up)

Joe Maneri / Barre Phillips / Mat Maneri	Number Two	Angles of Repose	ECM	2:21:08 (Pop-up)
Ecker & Meulyzer	Metabolic Rift "Metabolic Rift" by "Ecker & Meulyzer"	Carbon	Subtext	2:28:05 (Pop-up)
Félicia Atkinson	Un Ovale Vert "Un Ovale Vert" by "Félicia Atkinson"	The Flower and the Vessel	Shelter Press	2:34:10 (Pop-up)
Ayankoko	Tebu Sauyun Voc "Tebu Sauyun Voc" by "Ayankoko"	Kia Sao		2:38:06 (Pop-up)
James Tenney	Study 21 "Study 21" by "James Tenney"	Changes - 64 Studies for 6 Harps	New World	2:41:04 (Pop-up)
Renaldo & the Loaf	Bali Whine "Bali Whine" by "Renaldo & the Loaf"	Songs for Swinging Larvae		2:43:36 (Pop-up)
Wadada Leo Smith	Fire-Sticks, Chrysanthemums and Moonlight (For Harumi)	Kulture Jazz	ECM	2:46:12 (Pop-up)
Alexander Hawkins	Gossamer Like a Ghost Tree	Iron Into Wind	Intakt	2:50:15 (Pop-up)
Stan Tracey	Starless and Bible Black	Under Milk Wood	Columbia	2:54:00 (Pop-up)
Joachim Kühn	Tears That Cry "Tears That Cry" by "Joachim Kühn"	Melodic Ornette Coleman - Piano Works XIII	ACT Music	2:57:00 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:10pm northguineahills: Gotta admit, I've never heard Somali reggae....
	9:17pm coelacanth∅: hey Sam and ngh and invisible horse-people
	9:18pm Sam Segal: NGH! Welcome! There have been several excellent archival compilations of Somali music that have come out over the last few years. Such a rich musical culture.
	9:18pm Sam Segal: Coel, welcome back to the Horse Zone!
	9:19pm coelacanth∅: i'm supposed to be over there (>) until 10 but you ruined my plan
	9:24pm chresti: Hello horse gold!
	9:25pm fleep: Howdy, listening from the top, been doing cat things
	9:26pm Dean: Visited a neighborhood record store yesterday. Walked away with a handful of $1 LPs, including Leo Kottke's Greenhouse, which is a truly lovely album, top to bottom.
	9:31pm Dean: I swear, WFMU's schedule changes are way more complicated than any LSAT word problem.
	9:35pm Sam Segal: Hahaha, I should've warned you that you might need to grab your scratch paper to draw a diagram, Dean!
	9:36pm Sam Segal: Cat things! I know them well, Fleep!
	9:36pm Sam Segal: Hello, Gilded Chresti!
	9:42pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, I saw Leo at the Yoshies in Oakland, in I think 2012. He's always been a talker, but that time it was more talk than playing the guitar.
	9:47pm Dean: Greenhouse is 1972, the early years. I love some of his later stuff, e.g., the live album from Denver, in which he performs a version of the Sutherland Bros. & Quiver's "Arms of Mary" not to be bettered, but for the most part, it's the early stuff that grabs me. Way the hell back in, I dunno, 1990?, I saw a Kottke acolyte at the Fret Shop in Covina. Was wonderful. Wish I could remember his name!
	9:49pm Ike: My cats are taking a break from chasing each other around the place and knocking things over.
	9:50pm Sam Segal: Ha! My cats were just doing the same thing, Ike. Felt like they were trying to start a mosh pit,
	9:51pm Ike: Cat mosh pit, ROTFL
	9:55pm Franco Twinkie: Yeah, I was totally smitten with Leo Kottke when I saw Pacific Vibrations in 1970. They passed out programs with the movie that had a list of all the musical performers. That was the first time I ever heard Beaver and Krause as well.
	9:58pm still b/p: As if cats weren't unusual enough...last night I saw an animated version of Beatrix Potter's The Tale of Samuel Whiskers or, The Roly-Poly Pudding. The cats and the rats and the story all weird AF. Seeing it in certain states would be wonderful or mind-shaking.
	10:01pm Dean: Dee RYE-uh
	10:02pm Dean: My German is perfect, because I studied the language for exactly zero seconds over the course of my multiple decades.
	10:03pm Dean: But I spent some time in Frankfurt, Linz, and Vienna, so there's that.
	10:04pm Dean: A Clean Feed band!
	10:04pm coelacanth∅: okay, now i'm committed ...as i should be
	10:06pm Sam Segal: Immensely helpful, Dean. I'll hit that one next time.
	10:06pm Sam Segal: SBP! I am intrigued!
	10:07pm chresti: I learned German from watching Hogan's Heroes
	10:10pm Dean: I learned American watching Hogan's Heroes. "I know nothing!"
	10:11pm Dean: Another of the $1 LPs I picked up was Joe Pass and Oscar Peterson (on clavichord!), a Pablo recital of tunes from Porgy & Bess. Exquisite.
	10:20pm Dean: Just noticing the chiasmus of vowel combinations across Clean Feed and Green Leaf.
	10:21pm Franco Twinkie: Dean, a friend of mines father was shot down over the English Channel by the Germans, and thrown into a POW camp. He really liked Hogan's Heroes, which my friend thought was kind of odd.
	10:24pm coelacanth∅: Franco @9.42 as the 1 time i saw Lee Scratch Perry. i could tell the band was used to it but after a while (a loooong while) they were obviously frustrated and even talking while he ranted on
	10:24pm Dean: Hogan's Heroes brings to mind two points of trivia: Colonel Klink was portrayed by Otto Klemperer's kid, and Bob Crane had issues.
	10:25pm Dean: Still another of the $1 LPs was the first (only?) Copperhead album, featuring John Cipollina.
	10:27pm Dean: Two Keith Jarrett "American Quartet" albums, a Bill Mays/Red Mitchell album, and a partridge in a pear tree. That was the take.
	10:28pm Sam Segal: Man, I love those American Quartet records, Dean. Incredible find for a dollar bin.
	10:29pm Dean: During the '90s I worked for a city one of whose council members was Red Mitchell's biological son. The resemblance was stunning. Agreed. Dewey Redman, Charlie Haden, and Paul Motian: solid noise.
	10:35pm Franco Twinkie: It's good to remember who you don't ever have to see again. For me, Lee Scratch Perry and Leo Kottke are both worthy contenders.
	10:38pm Dean: I'm not so sure it's good. I was thinking of stuff I wouldn't want to see again. Amy Grant (don't tell my wife!) and movies came to mind. Now I'm just pissed off.
	10:42pm Dean: Oh, and Johnny Cougar. He was awful.
	10:42pm Franco Twinkie: Well I suppose if I was in front of my house raking the leaves and someone I truly detested walked by singing or playing the saxophone, I wouldn't stop what I was doing and go in the house.
	10:43pm coelacanth∅: yeah i wouldn't go see Perry again. it's a bonus when a friend goes and finds out for you. i never considered seeing Dylan -even when he wasn't abominable; or public image limited...
	10:45pm Dean: I'm pleased I'll never have to see Kim Gordon again, but this is because the one and only show of hers I saw was at Victo in the late '90s, maybe '00 or '01. It was a notoriously bad performance with Jim O'Rourke and a cast of notables. I appreciated its crappiness, not least because one journalist was so obviously offended by it -- at a Victo show! But I was predisposed not to like it, because I think Sonic Youth is way overrated.
	10:47pm coelacanth∅: i quite enjoyed sonic youth when i saw them - even if it is overrated. (overrated doesn't = not good)
	10:48pm Franco Twinkie: I like Bob Dylan but I doubt I will go see him at this point. PIL I saw, but went only because....well I can't remember the logic in that one.
	10:49pm Dean: Saw PIL at Olympic Auditorium, first trip to LA. Effing amazing.
	10:51pm Franco Twinkie: Well there you go. That's the PIL show I saw. The blind man describes an elephant.
	10:51pm Dean: Now, see, here's where things get strained. I admire Lard Free, but think little of Nurse with Wound. What to do?
	10:52pm northguineahills: I saw Lee Perry in '99. Dj Spooky and Kool Keith also played....
	10:52pm Sam Segal: Well, you may not be a Nurse with Wound fan, but it seems you might have some overlap in taste with the band.
	10:52pm Dean: The 12YO kid? Los Lobos? Kipper Kids? You kidding me? That wasn't something to celebrate? Oh, yeah. PIL, too, were delivering exactly what we paid to hear.
	10:53pm Dean: Yeah, it's like Laswell. I generally don't admire his work. He's sloppy, in a word. But my tastes overlap with his.
	10:56pm Franco Twinkie: Yes. All those bands were terrific. It was a carnival of epic scale. So?
	10:57pm coelacanth∅: ngh i saw Perry c. '97-'98 don't remember who was with him but some heavies from ja. they were great! all3-4 songs!
	10:57pm northguineahills: If someone bought me tix to Dylan, I go (rather stoned), just to say I saw him. Who know, it might be good. I saw Ray Davies on a lark, and really didn't know much about the Kinks at the time, and it had some good moments I'd cherish.
	11:00pm Dean: So? You're not a fan of Rabelais, I take it. I dug Lydon's elaborate "fuck you." He wasn't the most elegant of communicators, and he demanded more attention than we needed to pay, but the band and the music were great. I also admired the choice of venue.
	11:01pm Sam Segal: I've seen Dylan maybe three times in the last ten years. All incredible performances. But I really enjoy late-period Dylan, which isn't for everyone I guess.
	11:02pm Franco Twinkie: Okay, I admit seen Los Lobos baptism of fire was pretty memorable, and The Kipper Kids throwing flour at all the people giving them shit was funny, AND it was a the motherfucking Olympic, and PIL were a good band....but John Lydon!?!
	11:03pm Dean: I've never seen Dylan, but I imagine that I would treasure even a bad performance by him. Lydon is the price we pay.
	11:04pm Franco Twinkie: I did once, but never again.
	11:08pm Dean: Sondheim?
	11:08pm coelacanth∅: i can just as well imagine a "Fuck You"; or read about it -or in my case hear about it.
	11:08pm Sam Segal: Good ear, Dean!
	11:10pm coelacanth∅: i don't need to pay for a "Fuck you" and it's pretty laughable that someone would - just so you can say you were there.
	11:11pm Dean: I generally despise Broadway musicals, and in many respects Sondheim's are the worst, but I do love his talent. Sweeney Todd is, for me, formative, and that was late into his career. I'm a huge fan of early 20th century recordings of Broadway shows, too.
	11:15pm Dean: Lydon was giving the "fuck you" to the industry that had begun to co-opt punk. He wasn't telling the (in the know) audience to fuck off.
	11:15pm coelacanth∅: when my friend Kevin saw pil c. 1980 lydon was such a scumbag that he had a screen come down to protect him and the band from the hurling bottles he justifiably expected. according to Kevin they half-heartedly jammed for a little while while lydon provoked the audience. then they just stopped (20 minutes?) and lydon mocked on the audience for wasting their money. why would i ever consider giving this (nearly talentless) asshole my money?
	11:19pm coelacanth∅: and by all accounts Dylan sometimes gives a shit and sometimes doesn't. for like $200. 3-4 decades ago why would i take that chance? he's a legend but he doesn't deserve my money. (that and i haven't liked anything he's done since blood on the tracks)
	11:20pm coelacanth∅: ...as northguineahills i'd go see Dylan if it was free (and fairly local) hell i'd even pay 5 bucks!
	11:22pm Franco Twinkie: Well I was really interested in the social upheaval that was promised at shows from that period, but sometimes the critical estimation of what was been presented was a little bit of a stretch. Just this evening I was saying to Chresti, tonight there is a great band playing an easy drive from here, but we are going to miss it, because it's to late, to loud, and I don't like standing on cement for a long time.
	11:24pm coelacanth∅: (semi-correction: desire is mostly good [not great] and basement tapes very good but that was from years before...so blood on the tracks, last great Dylan album)
	11:25pm Franco Twinkie: Agreed, agreed, agreed.
	11:26pm northguineahills: The Maneris w/ Barre Phillips, Yes!
	11:26pm coelacanth∅: there's a lot of over-estimation in music and scenes now too. in fact it's mostly over-estimation!
	11:30pm northguineahills: @Dean: I mostly agree w/ your assessment of Broadway musicals. Bronwyn does seems to find a few gems here and there. But the weird thing is, I find myself sometimes whistling musicals I can't recall remembering or listening to quite often....
	11:30pm northguineahills: Digging this Ecker/Meulyzer…..
	11:30pm Dean: I don't recall social upheaval ever being on the agenda of LA's punk scene. That's what I loved about it. I myself am a fan of social upheaval, but as scenes go, LA was chill. That's what attracted me.
	11:31pm Franco Twinkie: Now when I read about these supposed seismic shifts in pop-anti pop, I think: Who believes that this means anything?
	11:32pm northguineahills: what about the seismic shifts in the Antipop Consortium (once Beans left....)?
	11:32pm Sam Segal: This Ecker & Meulyzer was recorded at the Svalbard Global Seed Vault inside of a sandstone mountain on Spitsbergen Island in Norway.
	11:34pm Franco Twinkie: I agree, Dean. L.A. was just a rowdy good time, and I had the energy to enjoy it.
	11:35pm coelacanth∅: people do. people , at least in the us, will buy nearly everything the corporations/government wants to sell to them.
	11:36pm Dean: "A rowdy good time." Damn. On the money.
	11:36pm chresti: Well, I hope you'll still have time to play some junk in your new time slot, Sam, thank you and goodnight for now.
	11:37pm coelacanth∅: new time slot?
	11:38pm Dean: Yeah, coel, the shows are shifting around. It's shit like this that makes me appreciate conservatism.
	11:40pm northguineahills: I believe Spitsbergen is the 'capital' (only real town of any size w/ a permanent population in the Svalbard archipelago.
	11:42pm Dean: Love James Tenney.
	11:42pm Franco Twinkie: If You Lose Your Horse is going to be replaced with The Boiling Macaroni Hour, right? Oy! I'm just going to smoke some hash and go to bed.
	11:44pm coelacanth∅: so, first of all, 3 hours is a long hour... 2ndly, an hour is a long boiling of macaroni.
	11:47pm Dean: So we're going to lose our lose your horse?
	11:48pm Sam Segal: No, no, no one's losing any lost horse! Just sliding over to Wednesdays from 10 pm - Midnight ET!
	11:48pm northguineahills: Waddada Leo Smith!
	11:48pm coelacanth∅: seriously? i thought it was just moving to a different time Sam?
	11:48pm Sam Segal: Not going anywhere!
	11:48pm doctorjazz: Catching up with the chat, is there a new Drummer Stream schedule somewhere?
	11:49pm coelacanth∅: okay, good...but where's Larry going?
	11:49pm northguineahills: Damn, stepped out and missed james Tenney
	11:49pm Sam Segal: Larry is going to move to Thursdays from 3-5 pm.
	11:51pm doctorjazz: What show will be on Wednesday at 10? Who's on first?
	11:52pm coelacanth∅: 3-5?! that sucks! why can't he move to thursdays from 10-noon? ...fuckin' -Fabio's on between 3&5 on thursdays.
	11:52pm Sam Segal: Big Planet Noise will be on Mondays from 9-11 PM ET. @Doc, I don't think we've got a new schedule created yet. This news is hot off the press.
	11:53pm pf: this gossamer
	11:54pm Sam Segal: Sorry, Coel. I think the idea was the fill the 3-5 gap on Thursdays to create a lengthier block of back-to-back live shows.
	11:54pm doctorjazz: Saw Dylan in the mid 80s, which was exciting because, well, it was Dylan. Saw him come out to do the encores with the Band at their New Years Eve concert, 1971...lousy my mind at that one.
	11:55pm Sam Segal: Whole Hawkins record is beautiful, PF.
	11:55pm doctorjazz: Lost my mind, that is...
	11:55pm doctorjazz: This is lovely.
	11:56pm coelacanth∅: there are so many ...not great... shows on the main fmu now -more than ever... yet really good drummer stream shows keep moving to the same time periods as good shows on the main and the ichiban.
	11:59pm pf: thanks for the tip, Sam
	12:00am doctorjazz: Still Haven't checked out ichiban, not enough time to catch all these shows (and for squeezing other living in). Short but sweet, thanks, Sam!
	12:01am Franco Twinkie: All this schedule disruption in going to start a lot of hair pulling and higher blood pressure for us folks who live in their pajamas.
	12:03am coelacanth∅: dr.j there are a few really great shows on the ichiban. (3, especially)
	12:04am coelacanth∅: Thanks Sam! 'nightall
	12:05am doctorjazz: What should I try out, Coel(
	12:06am Franco Twinkie: Nighty night, Sam and company.
	12:26am David Foster Wallace: What the hell is water?
	🥁 8:31am WR: Saturday morning archive listen. I think you show following Bodega will be a good flow. Probably listen IRT more often.

If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from December 16, 2019

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