WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from May 20, 2019

Listener comments!
	6:00pm listener james from westwood: If I saw correctly, there is a Flat Earther cruise coming up. Steer clear of the edge!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Hello Mark, Techerrtonariumites
	🤖 6:01pm chresti: Hello Techtonites
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark!
	6:02pm geezerette: L. James, there be monsters!
	6:02pm melinda: Hi Techtonicers! Watched the doc last night, ready for class.
	6:02pm annie: yay!
	🤖 6:03pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello to the Techtoflatulent!
	🤖 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: The world is definitely flat! <tm TV commercial of the past>
	6:03pm geezerette: Howdy, Mark and technophobes!
	6:03pm annie: i actually DID watch the movie.
	6:04pm βrian: We sailed over the edge twice this past week. (Crossed Lake Michigan twice.)
	6:04pm geezerette: ...maybe their heads are flat.
	6:04pm ultradamno: With a dish cover and lights on a flimsy tone arm!
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: Earth aM CUbe ShaPed! -- Bizzarro
	🤖 6:04pm Folsom: this movie is messed up
	6:04pm Dave Miss: Going to need a techgin & tonic for this conversation.
	🤖 6:04pm herb.nyc: flat earth? holy bizarro world, batman!
	6:05pm dale: shortwave radio station i listen to in maine is gettin ahhuge influx of cash from a flat earth religious group. swling.com...
	6:05pm Claire from Montclair: I did my homework!
	6:05pm northguineahills: A reference to Discworld? ;)
	6:05pm ultradamno: It's what happens when you spend too much time watching The Truman Show high.
	6:06pm Greg from ZONE 5: Evening, Mark & all!
	6:06pm northguineahills: I don't think anyone educated has thought the Earth was flat since before 4c BCE.
	🤖 6:07pm Folsom: David Dayen had an interview with Google's chief economist, saying big tech isn't dominant, search is a tough business, data doesn't get more valuable with accumulation. David then asked if said the same thing to investors.
	6:07pm Sam: I can’t believe anybody actually thinks the earth is round. It’s 2019 and we’re still having this conversation. Take a bowling ball, people. Put a LEGO guy on top. Then move him to different parts of the ball. What happens? Oops he falls off. These round earth conspiracists must have never played with toys as kids.
	6:07pm Fredericks: Destroy Truth; Rule by Spectacle -- Putin's M.O..
	6:07pm geezerette: Webham, ha ha! Me love Bizzaro Superman.
	6:07pm βrian: NY'ker article, just in case it hasn't already been covered here: Can “Indie” Social Media Save Us? www.newyorker.com...
	6:08pm melinda: The film makes clear how it is an internet phenomenon.
	🤖 6:08pm herb.nyc: youtube videos are involved? one would think cats ruled the earth if we are guided by youtube.
	6:08pm northguineahills: lultz, herb!
	🤖 6:08pm tim from champaign: Techtonic and Music For Mind Control meet with this episode.
	6:08pm ultradamno: My favorite part of the movie is where a woman named Patricia is accused of being a federal plant on the basis of the last three letters of her name being CIA. Kind of says it all.
	6:09pm Sam: Herb, cats were considered sacred by the ancient Egyptians.
	🤖 6:09pm herb.nyc: (excuse me, webmaster Henry, I didn't see yr BIZARRO post when I first posted)
	🤖 6:10pm Webhamster Henry: Back in High school, we spent a week in introduction to physics working out the physics or earth, water, fire, and air (and occasionally aether, the quintessence). It works up to a point. You reach that point pretty fast, but you can do something with that theory!
	6:10pm ultradamno: As they (cats) should have been! Just ask them
	🤖 6:10pm herb.nyc: cats ride on a Roomba. then fall off the edge. dogs applaud.
	🤖 6:10pm Folsom: @tim maybe tomorrow Micah can play some flat earth music
	6:11pm geezerette: Cats are from space.
	🤖 6:11pm Webhamster Henry: @herb.nyc GrEAt MiNds tHinK SAme!
	6:11pm John from Florham Park: d@Dale WBCQ right
	6:12pm Sam: If the earth were really round, wouldn’t the space cats be batting it around like yarn?
	🤖 6:12pm Folsom: @geezerette Ken Berry and Sandy Duncan agree with you
	6:12pm geezerette: Mark is herding cats.
	🤖 6:12pm herb.nyc: growth at any cost! isn't that on the agenda of WFMU board of directors meeting? Andy breckman said this.
	6:13pm geezerette: Folsom! :D
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: Cue the Ernie Kovacs Mr. Answer Man bit!
	6:13pm Sam: Cost at any growth!
	6:14pm annie: i thought the end bit covering the laser experiment was a teller! i would love to be a fly on the wall of the ship that heads to the edge
	6:14pm ultradamno: And Patricia (from my earlier post), a flat earther herself who has cast all manner of entirely uncooked aspersions on others, having been so accused has a moment of near self-awareness in which entertains and rejects the idea that she has done the same thing to others.
	6:15pm Sean d: There is probably a pancake planet out there somewhere....hopefully covered in syrup
	6:15pm annie: youtube is the modern day shortwave radio..
	6:16pm melinda: I liked Patricia’s cats. One of them looked just like my kitty Olive who passed in 2016.
	6:16pm John from Florham Park: @Annie I stay away from the conspiracy type vids on Facebook
	🤖 6:16pm herb.nyc: nicely said, mark - full court press by the tech companies against (yr) proper reasoning. yes, it is indeed heinous.
	6:17pm ultradamno: @Melinda They were the most endearing thing about her, for sure.
	🤖 6:18pm herb.nyc: oh Joe mcgasko, he's so naive (uh, me too).
	6:19pm chris: answering a question in that way shows how low on the totem pole one is. proper preparation for that appearance, by anyone in authority, would have an immediate answer to that question (albeit, it would be a bs answer anyway).
	6:19pm John from Florham Park: Wonder if we can blame this on trump with the anti vaxxers
	6:19pm chris: and, hi, Mark and folks.
	6:19pm annie: i want to know how deep is earth if it's flat.... @JfFPark: my friends list is full of "truthers", i like to think i can sift through who is full of hot air... i know many of them personally
	6:20pm northguineahills: Even better, an old HS fave of mine, the book, "Flatland".
	🤖 6:20pm herb.nyc: annie, the earth is as deep as your basement. no more, no less.
	6:21pm annie: hah!!!
	6:21pm Sam: But isn’t this the logical conclusion of the “free, open internet?”
	6:21pm βrian: Ooh, that's some cheesy audio editing.
	6:21pm northguineahills: "Information noise" is a good way to cast doubt on empiricism. Just look at my native country.
	6:22pm ultradamno: I also love when Mark and Patricia go to the NASA museum and she loudly announces THE EARTH IS FLAT and is so proud of herself. It's adorably ignorant.
	6:22pm βrian: I hear they don't have basements in Texas ...
	6:22pm John from Florham Park: @Annie I am not one of those truthers like Alex Jones
	6:22pm dale: john from fp - alan weiner, owner of wbcq used to be a man of science and logic but has gone total religious zealot in the last few years. he gives brother stair and his overcomer ministry tons of free air time.
	6:23pm northguineahills: what is this basement you speak of, herb (there are very few basements in FL, as you hit ground water w/in a few meters of the surface.
	🤖 6:23pm herb.nyc: gotta check out BEHIND THE CURVE. (not to be confused with ...THE GREEN DOOR movie)
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: In short, the processes that order search results and friends' or sponsored content not only are interested in floating content that causes engagement, but they actually do choose among instances of that engaging content and can certainly suppress or promote posts and results based on content as well as the reaction to it.
	6:23pm northguineahills: βrian: Only where Pee-Wee's bike was stored....
	6:24pm John from Florham Park: @Dale you mean brother scare, and your right about Allen he has gone around the bend
	6:24pm Sam: I bet none of those folks at the conference actually believe it.
	6:24pm John from Florham Park: I mean Alan sorry
	6:24pm ultradamno: By the way, the price range for one of those domed flat earth models runs from $250 to 5K flatearthmodels.com
	6:25pm listener james from westwood: The flat earth cruise: www.theguardian.com...
	🤖 6:25pm herb.nyc: ahem, movie "arsenic and old lace" shows that basements exist. it is a FLAT BASEMENT EARTH. can we move on now?
	6:26pm Sam: No crazier than believing in heaven really
	6:26pm ultradamno: And he sells a FEPE clock (WHAT is this?) flatearthmodels.com...
	🤖 6:26pm Folsom: I was on airliners.net and the pilots were laughing about all the proof that the earth is flat, like no flights over the South pole from South America to Australia.
	🤖 6:26pm herb.nyc: charismatic? gregarious? hi mark hurst!
	6:26pm βrian: Where are the flat birthers?
	6:26pm ultradamno: The FEPE sticker from the movie I posted: twitter.com...
	6:27pm annie: oh, well... poor alex, he really has some issues..the sad thing is that there are valid questions with a myriad collection of wacky answers..."truthers" hate that description,btw..
	6:27pm geezerette: No wish to offend anyone but the ghost of Ayn Rand haunts Silicon Valley Industry. Greed is good, regulations are an infringement on the freedom of billionaires to exploit without responsibility for disastrous consequences.
	🤖 6:27pm Ken From Hyde Park: Are they claiming that a flat earth is made of flat atoms?
	6:28pm geezerette: ...It's the elephant in the room.
	🤖 6:28pm herb.nyc: patricia has a history in radio? does she have a face for radio?
	6:29pm ultradamno: When Mark Met Pat is the worst romcom in history.
	🤖 6:29pm herb.nyc: was Guided By Voices' "I am a scientist" a hit on this flat earth?
	6:29pm annie: i love that idea Ken FHP... it's so obtuse
	6:29pm ultradamno: @herb Well, the eyebrows for radio for sure.
	6:30pm dale: sooo, what is the purpose of a round earth conspiracy? how would you profit from such a radical theory?
	🤖 6:30pm herb.nyc: these 2 must have a really good webcam!
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: A national movement based on a falsehood? WHO KNEW!
	6:31pm Rich in Washington: I think the internet and most recently social media has made it easy for the really stupid people to find one another.
	6:31pm Sam: How do they account for the fact that you can easily fly around the world and end up where you started? You don’t even have to be a scientist. Are all the airlines in on the coverup? And the travelers who have done it?
	6:31pm dale: a flat earth is full of flatworms/flukes
	6:31pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for the good comments tonight. @Rich, I agree!
	🤖 6:32pm herb.nyc: nasa, ha! cia implant, ha! facts, ha!
	6:32pm Mark Hurst: (though I'd call them "misdirected," not stupid)
	6:32pm Rich in Washington: remember when we thought the World Wide Web was going to usher in a golden age of knowledge, community and empathy?
	6:32pm βrian: I don't know anything about the earth being flat, but I do know that electricity comes from other planets.
	6:32pm ultradamno: @dale That sort of gets raised, but I've never heard a compelled pretext, except that we're all living in an artificial environment and that would just blow our minds, or something.
	6:33pm ultradamno: Flat earth posts from around the globe: www.thethings.com...
	🤖 6:34pm herb.nyc: pres* trump: "some really good people have told me about the earth being flat...", as many in his staff nod.
	6:35pm Sam: The only thing scarier than flat-earthers is YouTube deciding which ideas are unacceptable.
	6:36pm Amanda: @dale, I totally agree. the curvature or non-curvature of the earth doesn't really affect my day to day life. so why is there a big coverup then? where is the profit there? at least reptilians and "new world order" seems to have some personal stakes.
	6:36pm ultradamno: This says FEPE stands for flat earth people everywhere, though I'd still like to know why they're using the alt-right frog www.acronymfinder.com...
	🤖 6:36pm Webhamster Henry: @Mark did you ask him about In Search Of... ?
	6:36pm northguineahills: True dat, Amanda!
	6:37pm βrian: Empirical data conspires against us!
	6:38pm HuskLife: What about a direct photo taken from a satellite in outer space of the round or
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: @WH No, missed that one
	6:39pm Fredericks: Who benefits from hiding the truth about the flatness of the Earth?
	6:40pm βrian: Theatre in the Flat will surely have it's own resurgence.
	6:40pm Mark Hurst: @Fredericks I don't think the conspiracy is fully thought-out... more like an easy answer to throw out there when needed
	🤖 6:40pm Ken From Hyde Park: They should have the vice-president of the Rand McNally globe division come talk at one of their gatherings.
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: @Mark I didn't see it, but I think he tool the old Nimoy subjects and revisited them with Zachary Quinto. I don't know if it's some what more credible.
	6:41pm ultradamno: I like the guy who questions the Hubble photo because it must be the telescope taking a picture of itself like there aren't people doing maintenance from outside.
	6:41pm annie: i love it when a documentarian treats the subjects with compassion...
	6:43pm HuskLife: I’m pretty sure where we have wrinkles and grooves on our brains. Flat earthers have very smooth ones
	6:43pm melinda: I was struck by their sense of community too, it makes sense that people would be drawn to that.
	6:43pm listener james from westwood: There's always room in those patriot groups that clung to the Bundys like pilot fish.
	6:44pm TDK60: Hi, getting here late so should probably listen.
	6:44pm ultradamno: This isolation issue brings up the flat earth dating app, which I think should be discouraged.
	🤖 6:44pm chresti: I'm a mis-shapen earther
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: Some of this goes back to innumeracy; lacking the basic tools to make sensible estimates and extrapolate from the data you trust.
	6:44pm Fredericks: I used to think "free your mind and your ass will follow" was good advice. Maybe some minds get too free.
	6:44pm Choggie: !"The world, she's a round luka the apple! "No, the world shes a flat,, likka the pancake!"
	🤖 6:45pm Ken From Hyde Park: Counterpoint: Where are the spherical Oreos?
	6:45pm John from Florham Park: This is a very interesting conversation
	6:45pm annie: my son made a doc about a man who knew how to read crop circles; one of them had directions on how to build a flying space ship...it was a sensitive portrayal ..
	6:46pm ultradamno: Oreo cookie balls: www.allrecipes.com...
	6:46pm βrian: Dipense with your mind, and your ass will be President.
	🤖 6:47pm herb.nyc: good one, there's no gravity. maybe it's wire, and velcro, that's keeping us tethered.
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: Cue Stan Freberg's "It's a Round, Round World" and Weill/Gershwin's "Columbus".
	6:47pm Jeff Moore: Mark... I hate to be negative, but I sure wish you hadn't kept saying "round" (implying something two-dimensional but with a circular border, indeed just like the model held in your playlist picture) instead of "spherical".
	6:47pm ultradamno: They don't say Tyson's name. Like gravity, he doesn't exist.
	6:47pm melinda: I was really impressed by the scientists too. The film reinforced my belief that empathy is better than mockery and snark when communicating with people whose beliefs seem whack.
	6:47pm Mark Hurst: Jefffff
	6:49pm geezerette: That was a great interview!
	🤖 6:50pm Folsom: I'm surprised the flat earthers talked to Daniel Clark, his last name rhymes with Arthur Clarke
	6:50pm jane: NdeG mic drop demo of gravity was not snark. It was wit. And a science lesson for general public. Learning is fun.
	6:51pm Rich in Washington: That WAS really good. I need to revisit that doc again. My wife and I started watching it in full on snark mode and then finally switched it off. Not really a date night movie.
	6:51pm βrian: DJ Pair-of-Ducks?
	6:52pm JakeGould: There should be some rom-com where a flat-Earther and scientist go on a journey to the edge of the world… And then fall in love… As the fall off the edge of the Earth.
	6:52pm ultradamno: As it's brought up in the movie, identity is all wrapped up in it, which renders contradictory facts irrelevant (or counterrevolutionary).
	🤖 6:53pm Folsom: that gyroscope cost around $20000
	6:53pm TDK60: (I am saving some snarkiness for other issues.)
	6:53pm Rich in Washington: I mean, I watched that entire Netflix Price is Right doc, so I should probably give Behind the Curve a proper viewing.
	6:53pm βrian: @JakeGould: Blockbuster, for sure!
	6:53pm geezerette: Rich, I do remember that hope for the web. And also, slack! :)
	🤖 6:53pm herb.nyc: gyroscope, a spinning device that also makes for a great lunch from the food truck.
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: Clay Pigeon was a sympathetic interviewer too. Look up his old Dusty Show!
	6:55pm Nate in Wisconsin: Sam and Mark:Regarding the scariness of You Tube deciding what is acceptable. Be clear the cencorship and removing algorithms that promote certain content is not the same thing.
	6:55pm melinda: @Henry indeed, that's one of his talents.
	🤖 6:55pm herb.nyc: ahem, try Clay Pigeon outtakes. that guy can curse like a sailor. (I hope clay isn't listening. he's probably sleeping)
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: Clay is multi talented and contains multitudes.
	🤖 6:56pm herb.nyc: in math, irrational numbers are treated with utmost respect
	6:56pm melinda: @herb one of the treats for me of visiting FMU is hearing DJs curse
	6:56pm Bic Lighter: I'm thinking that traditional shaming is the only way. A long time Truther I knew recently recanted after years of being shunned.
	6:57pm βrian: I'm an oblate-spheroid-er.
	🤖 6:57pm herb.nyc: Joe mcgasko has been mentioned 4,5x - is he paying you, mark?
	6:57pm Rich in Washington: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Mark!
	6:57pm Nate in Wisconsin: Agreed. Clay interviews great. https://oneoctoberfilm.com/
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: Visit the WFMU streams for occasional uncensoredness!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm northguineahills: happy thanks, mark and Daniel! The earth is obloid
	6:58pm annie: love this show mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: The Earth looks like comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko.
	6:58pm Rich in Washington: people aren't really shunned or shamed anymore. It seems like the more loathsome the belief, there's a community out there to be found on the web.
	6:59pm geezerette: what everyone said!
	🤖 6:59pm Folsom: @ βrian I'm more of a hyperbolic geometry-er. Triangles have less than 180 degrees!
	6:59pm ultradamno: But why is a stationary diorama easier to believe than a moving sphere?
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Ultima Thule is kind of flat.
	7:00pm ultradamno: @Rich Because it's defiant. You can't shame that.
	7:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: People unite over being shunned - like InCel & all of them...
	7:00pm melinda: People shame because it is more satisfying, not because it is necessarily more effective. If you want people to return to your point of view it makes sense to leave the door open rather than closed.
	7:01pm melinda: @Rabbit exactly
	7:01pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...or FMUvians...
	7:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's gratifying, tho', that the 'Left' is finally getting - maybe - that's it's not about 'logic'...
	🤖 7:02pm Webhamster Henry: People need to be led through their own prejudices. That's hard to do.
	7:03pm βrian: @melinda: Smells like compassion. I'm with you on that.
	7:04pm βrian: Wait: is there such a thing as Tough Compassion ....?
	7:07pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from May 20, 2019

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May 20, 2019: Daniel J. Clark, director of "Behind the Curve," on Flat Earthers

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This week: Daniel J. Clark, director, "Behind the Curve," a documentary about Flat Earthers.

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Daniel J. Clark, director of "Behind the Curve," on making a movie about Flat Earthers (without making fun of them) - a small but devoted community, brought together by YouTube conspiracy videos.
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"
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Listener comments!
	6:00pm listener james from westwood: If I saw correctly, there is a Flat Earther cruise coming up. Steer clear of the edge!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Hello Mark, Techerrtonariumites
	🤖 6:01pm chresti: Hello Techtonites
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark!
	6:02pm geezerette: L. James, there be monsters!
	6:02pm melinda: Hi Techtonicers! Watched the doc last night, ready for class.
	6:02pm annie: yay!
	🤖 6:03pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello to the Techtoflatulent!
	🤖 6:03pm Webhamster Henry: The world is definitely flat! <tm TV commercial of the past>
	6:03pm geezerette: Howdy, Mark and technophobes!
	6:03pm annie: i actually DID watch the movie.
	6:04pm βrian: We sailed over the edge twice this past week. (Crossed Lake Michigan twice.)
	6:04pm geezerette: ...maybe their heads are flat.
	6:04pm ultradamno: With a dish cover and lights on a flimsy tone arm!
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: Earth aM CUbe ShaPed! -- Bizzarro
	🤖 6:04pm Folsom: this movie is messed up
	6:04pm Dave Miss: Going to need a techgin & tonic for this conversation.
	🤖 6:04pm herb.nyc: flat earth? holy bizarro world, batman!
	6:05pm dale: shortwave radio station i listen to in maine is gettin ahhuge influx of cash from a flat earth religious group. swling.com...
	6:05pm Claire from Montclair: I did my homework!
	6:05pm northguineahills: A reference to Discworld? ;)
	6:05pm ultradamno: It's what happens when you spend too much time watching The Truman Show high.
	6:06pm Greg from ZONE 5: Evening, Mark & all!
	6:06pm northguineahills: I don't think anyone educated has thought the Earth was flat since before 4c BCE.
	🤖 6:07pm Folsom: David Dayen had an interview with Google's chief economist, saying big tech isn't dominant, search is a tough business, data doesn't get more valuable with accumulation. David then asked if said the same thing to investors.
	6:07pm Sam: I can’t believe anybody actually thinks the earth is round. It’s 2019 and we’re still having this conversation. Take a bowling ball, people. Put a LEGO guy on top. Then move him to different parts of the ball. What happens? Oops he falls off. These round earth conspiracists must have never played with toys as kids.
	6:07pm Fredericks: Destroy Truth; Rule by Spectacle -- Putin's M.O..
	6:07pm geezerette: Webham, ha ha! Me love Bizzaro Superman.
	6:07pm βrian: NY'ker article, just in case it hasn't already been covered here: Can “Indie” Social Media Save Us? www.newyorker.com...
	6:08pm melinda: The film makes clear how it is an internet phenomenon.
	🤖 6:08pm herb.nyc: youtube videos are involved? one would think cats ruled the earth if we are guided by youtube.
	6:08pm northguineahills: lultz, herb!
	🤖 6:08pm tim from champaign: Techtonic and Music For Mind Control meet with this episode.
	6:08pm ultradamno: My favorite part of the movie is where a woman named Patricia is accused of being a federal plant on the basis of the last three letters of her name being CIA. Kind of says it all.
	6:09pm Sam: Herb, cats were considered sacred by the ancient Egyptians.
	🤖 6:09pm herb.nyc: (excuse me, webmaster Henry, I didn't see yr BIZARRO post when I first posted)
	🤖 6:10pm Webhamster Henry: Back in High school, we spent a week in introduction to physics working out the physics or earth, water, fire, and air (and occasionally aether, the quintessence). It works up to a point. You reach that point pretty fast, but you can do something with that theory!
	6:10pm ultradamno: As they (cats) should have been! Just ask them
	🤖 6:10pm herb.nyc: cats ride on a Roomba. then fall off the edge. dogs applaud.
	🤖 6:10pm Folsom: @tim maybe tomorrow Micah can play some flat earth music
	6:11pm geezerette: Cats are from space.
	🤖 6:11pm Webhamster Henry: @herb.nyc GrEAt MiNds tHinK SAme!
	6:11pm John from Florham Park: d@Dale WBCQ right
	6:12pm Sam: If the earth were really round, wouldn’t the space cats be batting it around like yarn?
	🤖 6:12pm Folsom: @geezerette Ken Berry and Sandy Duncan agree with you
	6:12pm geezerette: Mark is herding cats.
	🤖 6:12pm herb.nyc: growth at any cost! isn't that on the agenda of WFMU board of directors meeting? Andy breckman said this.
	6:13pm geezerette: Folsom! :D
	🤖 6:13pm Webhamster Henry: Cue the Ernie Kovacs Mr. Answer Man bit!
	6:13pm Sam: Cost at any growth!
	6:14pm annie: i thought the end bit covering the laser experiment was a teller! i would love to be a fly on the wall of the ship that heads to the edge
	6:14pm ultradamno: And Patricia (from my earlier post), a flat earther herself who has cast all manner of entirely uncooked aspersions on others, having been so accused has a moment of near self-awareness in which entertains and rejects the idea that she has done the same thing to others.
	6:15pm Sean d: There is probably a pancake planet out there somewhere....hopefully covered in syrup
	6:15pm annie: youtube is the modern day shortwave radio..
	6:16pm melinda: I liked Patricia’s cats. One of them looked just like my kitty Olive who passed in 2016.
	6:16pm John from Florham Park: @Annie I stay away from the conspiracy type vids on Facebook
	🤖 6:16pm herb.nyc: nicely said, mark - full court press by the tech companies against (yr) proper reasoning. yes, it is indeed heinous.
	6:17pm ultradamno: @Melinda They were the most endearing thing about her, for sure.
	🤖 6:18pm herb.nyc: oh Joe mcgasko, he's so naive (uh, me too).
	6:19pm chris: answering a question in that way shows how low on the totem pole one is. proper preparation for that appearance, by anyone in authority, would have an immediate answer to that question (albeit, it would be a bs answer anyway).
	6:19pm John from Florham Park: Wonder if we can blame this on trump with the anti vaxxers
	6:19pm chris: and, hi, Mark and folks.
	6:19pm annie: i want to know how deep is earth if it's flat.... @JfFPark: my friends list is full of "truthers", i like to think i can sift through who is full of hot air... i know many of them personally
	6:20pm northguineahills: Even better, an old HS fave of mine, the book, "Flatland".
	🤖 6:20pm herb.nyc: annie, the earth is as deep as your basement. no more, no less.
	6:21pm annie: hah!!!
	6:21pm Sam: But isn’t this the logical conclusion of the “free, open internet?”
	6:21pm βrian: Ooh, that's some cheesy audio editing.
	6:21pm northguineahills: "Information noise" is a good way to cast doubt on empiricism. Just look at my native country.
	6:22pm ultradamno: I also love when Mark and Patricia go to the NASA museum and she loudly announces THE EARTH IS FLAT and is so proud of herself. It's adorably ignorant.
	6:22pm βrian: I hear they don't have basements in Texas ...
	6:22pm John from Florham Park: @Annie I am not one of those truthers like Alex Jones
	6:22pm dale: john from fp - alan weiner, owner of wbcq used to be a man of science and logic but has gone total religious zealot in the last few years. he gives brother stair and his overcomer ministry tons of free air time.
	6:23pm northguineahills: what is this basement you speak of, herb (there are very few basements in FL, as you hit ground water w/in a few meters of the surface.
	🤖 6:23pm herb.nyc: gotta check out BEHIND THE CURVE. (not to be confused with ...THE GREEN DOOR movie)
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: In short, the processes that order search results and friends' or sponsored content not only are interested in floating content that causes engagement, but they actually do choose among instances of that engaging content and can certainly suppress or promote posts and results based on content as well as the reaction to it.
	6:23pm northguineahills: βrian: Only where Pee-Wee's bike was stored....
	6:24pm John from Florham Park: @Dale you mean brother scare, and your right about Allen he has gone around the bend
	6:24pm Sam: I bet none of those folks at the conference actually believe it.
	6:24pm John from Florham Park: I mean Alan sorry
	6:24pm ultradamno: By the way, the price range for one of those domed flat earth models runs from $250 to 5K flatearthmodels.com
	6:25pm listener james from westwood: The flat earth cruise: www.theguardian.com...
	🤖 6:25pm herb.nyc: ahem, movie "arsenic and old lace" shows that basements exist. it is a FLAT BASEMENT EARTH. can we move on now?
	6:26pm Sam: No crazier than believing in heaven really
	6:26pm ultradamno: And he sells a FEPE clock (WHAT is this?) flatearthmodels.com...
	🤖 6:26pm Folsom: I was on airliners.net and the pilots were laughing about all the proof that the earth is flat, like no flights over the South pole from South America to Australia.
	🤖 6:26pm herb.nyc: charismatic? gregarious? hi mark hurst!
	6:26pm βrian: Where are the flat birthers?
	6:26pm ultradamno: The FEPE sticker from the movie I posted: twitter.com...
	6:27pm annie: oh, well... poor alex, he really has some issues..the sad thing is that there are valid questions with a myriad collection of wacky answers..."truthers" hate that description,btw..
	6:27pm geezerette: No wish to offend anyone but the ghost of Ayn Rand haunts Silicon Valley Industry. Greed is good, regulations are an infringement on the freedom of billionaires to exploit without responsibility for disastrous consequences.
	🤖 6:27pm Ken From Hyde Park: Are they claiming that a flat earth is made of flat atoms?
	6:28pm geezerette: ...It's the elephant in the room.
	🤖 6:28pm herb.nyc: patricia has a history in radio? does she have a face for radio?
	6:29pm ultradamno: When Mark Met Pat is the worst romcom in history.
	🤖 6:29pm herb.nyc: was Guided By Voices' "I am a scientist" a hit on this flat earth?
	6:29pm annie: i love that idea Ken FHP... it's so obtuse
	6:29pm ultradamno: @herb Well, the eyebrows for radio for sure.
	6:30pm dale: sooo, what is the purpose of a round earth conspiracy? how would you profit from such a radical theory?
	🤖 6:30pm herb.nyc: these 2 must have a really good webcam!
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: A national movement based on a falsehood? WHO KNEW!
	6:31pm Rich in Washington: I think the internet and most recently social media has made it easy for the really stupid people to find one another.
	6:31pm Sam: How do they account for the fact that you can easily fly around the world and end up where you started? You don’t even have to be a scientist. Are all the airlines in on the coverup? And the travelers who have done it?
	6:31pm dale: a flat earth is full of flatworms/flukes
	6:31pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for the good comments tonight. @Rich, I agree!
	🤖 6:32pm herb.nyc: nasa, ha! cia implant, ha! facts, ha!
	6:32pm Mark Hurst: (though I'd call them "misdirected," not stupid)
	6:32pm Rich in Washington: remember when we thought the World Wide Web was going to usher in a golden age of knowledge, community and empathy?
	6:32pm βrian: I don't know anything about the earth being flat, but I do know that electricity comes from other planets.
	6:32pm ultradamno: @dale That sort of gets raised, but I've never heard a compelled pretext, except that we're all living in an artificial environment and that would just blow our minds, or something.
	6:33pm ultradamno: Flat earth posts from around the globe: www.thethings.com...
	🤖 6:34pm herb.nyc: pres* trump: "some really good people have told me about the earth being flat...", as many in his staff nod.
	6:35pm Sam: The only thing scarier than flat-earthers is YouTube deciding which ideas are unacceptable.
	6:36pm Amanda: @dale, I totally agree. the curvature or non-curvature of the earth doesn't really affect my day to day life. so why is there a big coverup then? where is the profit there? at least reptilians and "new world order" seems to have some personal stakes.
	6:36pm ultradamno: This says FEPE stands for flat earth people everywhere, though I'd still like to know why they're using the alt-right frog www.acronymfinder.com...
	🤖 6:36pm Webhamster Henry: @Mark did you ask him about In Search Of... ?
	6:36pm northguineahills: True dat, Amanda!
	6:37pm βrian: Empirical data conspires against us!
	6:38pm HuskLife: What about a direct photo taken from a satellite in outer space of the round or
	6:38pm Mark Hurst: @WH No, missed that one
	6:39pm Fredericks: Who benefits from hiding the truth about the flatness of the Earth?
	6:40pm βrian: Theatre in the Flat will surely have it's own resurgence.
	6:40pm Mark Hurst: @Fredericks I don't think the conspiracy is fully thought-out... more like an easy answer to throw out there when needed
	🤖 6:40pm Ken From Hyde Park: They should have the vice-president of the Rand McNally globe division come talk at one of their gatherings.
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: @Mark I didn't see it, but I think he tool the old Nimoy subjects and revisited them with Zachary Quinto. I don't know if it's some what more credible.
	6:41pm ultradamno: I like the guy who questions the Hubble photo because it must be the telescope taking a picture of itself like there aren't people doing maintenance from outside.
	6:41pm annie: i love it when a documentarian treats the subjects with compassion...
	6:43pm HuskLife: I’m pretty sure where we have wrinkles and grooves on our brains. Flat earthers have very smooth ones
	6:43pm melinda: I was struck by their sense of community too, it makes sense that people would be drawn to that.
	6:43pm listener james from westwood: There's always room in those patriot groups that clung to the Bundys like pilot fish.
	6:44pm TDK60: Hi, getting here late so should probably listen.
	6:44pm ultradamno: This isolation issue brings up the flat earth dating app, which I think should be discouraged.
	🤖 6:44pm chresti: I'm a mis-shapen earther
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: Some of this goes back to innumeracy; lacking the basic tools to make sensible estimates and extrapolate from the data you trust.
	6:44pm Fredericks: I used to think "free your mind and your ass will follow" was good advice. Maybe some minds get too free.
	6:44pm Choggie: !"The world, she's a round luka the apple! "No, the world shes a flat,, likka the pancake!"
	🤖 6:45pm Ken From Hyde Park: Counterpoint: Where are the spherical Oreos?
	6:45pm John from Florham Park: This is a very interesting conversation
	6:45pm annie: my son made a doc about a man who knew how to read crop circles; one of them had directions on how to build a flying space ship...it was a sensitive portrayal ..
	6:46pm ultradamno: Oreo cookie balls: www.allrecipes.com...
	6:46pm βrian: Dipense with your mind, and your ass will be President.
	🤖 6:47pm herb.nyc: good one, there's no gravity. maybe it's wire, and velcro, that's keeping us tethered.
	🤖 6:47pm Webhamster Henry: Cue Stan Freberg's "It's a Round, Round World" and Weill/Gershwin's "Columbus".
	6:47pm Jeff Moore: Mark... I hate to be negative, but I sure wish you hadn't kept saying "round" (implying something two-dimensional but with a circular border, indeed just like the model held in your playlist picture) instead of "spherical".
	6:47pm ultradamno: They don't say Tyson's name. Like gravity, he doesn't exist.
	6:47pm melinda: I was really impressed by the scientists too. The film reinforced my belief that empathy is better than mockery and snark when communicating with people whose beliefs seem whack.
	6:47pm Mark Hurst: Jefffff
	6:49pm geezerette: That was a great interview!
	🤖 6:50pm Folsom: I'm surprised the flat earthers talked to Daniel Clark, his last name rhymes with Arthur Clarke
	6:50pm jane: NdeG mic drop demo of gravity was not snark. It was wit. And a science lesson for general public. Learning is fun.
	6:51pm Rich in Washington: That WAS really good. I need to revisit that doc again. My wife and I started watching it in full on snark mode and then finally switched it off. Not really a date night movie.
	6:51pm βrian: DJ Pair-of-Ducks?
	6:52pm JakeGould: There should be some rom-com where a flat-Earther and scientist go on a journey to the edge of the world… And then fall in love… As the fall off the edge of the Earth.
	6:52pm ultradamno: As it's brought up in the movie, identity is all wrapped up in it, which renders contradictory facts irrelevant (or counterrevolutionary).
	🤖 6:53pm Folsom: that gyroscope cost around $20000
	6:53pm TDK60: (I am saving some snarkiness for other issues.)
	6:53pm Rich in Washington: I mean, I watched that entire Netflix Price is Right doc, so I should probably give Behind the Curve a proper viewing.
	6:53pm βrian: @JakeGould: Blockbuster, for sure!
	6:53pm geezerette: Rich, I do remember that hope for the web. And also, slack! :)
	🤖 6:53pm herb.nyc: gyroscope, a spinning device that also makes for a great lunch from the food truck.
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: Clay Pigeon was a sympathetic interviewer too. Look up his old Dusty Show!
	6:55pm Nate in Wisconsin: Sam and Mark:Regarding the scariness of You Tube deciding what is acceptable. Be clear the cencorship and removing algorithms that promote certain content is not the same thing.
	6:55pm melinda: @Henry indeed, that's one of his talents.
	🤖 6:55pm herb.nyc: ahem, try Clay Pigeon outtakes. that guy can curse like a sailor. (I hope clay isn't listening. he's probably sleeping)
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: Clay is multi talented and contains multitudes.
	🤖 6:56pm herb.nyc: in math, irrational numbers are treated with utmost respect
	6:56pm melinda: @herb one of the treats for me of visiting FMU is hearing DJs curse
	6:56pm Bic Lighter: I'm thinking that traditional shaming is the only way. A long time Truther I knew recently recanted after years of being shunned.
	6:57pm βrian: I'm an oblate-spheroid-er.
	🤖 6:57pm herb.nyc: Joe mcgasko has been mentioned 4,5x - is he paying you, mark?
	6:57pm Rich in Washington: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Mark!
	6:57pm Nate in Wisconsin: Agreed. Clay interviews great. https://oneoctoberfilm.com/
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: Visit the WFMU streams for occasional uncensoredness!
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm northguineahills: happy thanks, mark and Daniel! The earth is obloid
	6:58pm annie: love this show mark!
	🤖 6:58pm Webhamster Henry: The Earth looks like comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko.
	6:58pm Rich in Washington: people aren't really shunned or shamed anymore. It seems like the more loathsome the belief, there's a community out there to be found on the web.
	6:59pm geezerette: what everyone said!
	🤖 6:59pm Folsom: @ βrian I'm more of a hyperbolic geometry-er. Triangles have less than 180 degrees!
	6:59pm ultradamno: But why is a stationary diorama easier to believe than a moving sphere?
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Ultima Thule is kind of flat.
	7:00pm ultradamno: @Rich Because it's defiant. You can't shame that.
	7:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: People unite over being shunned - like InCel & all of them...
	7:00pm melinda: People shame because it is more satisfying, not because it is necessarily more effective. If you want people to return to your point of view it makes sense to leave the door open rather than closed.
	7:01pm melinda: @Rabbit exactly
	7:01pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...or FMUvians...
	7:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It's gratifying, tho', that the 'Left' is finally getting - maybe - that's it's not about 'logic'...
	🤖 7:02pm Webhamster Henry: People need to be led through their own prejudices. That's hard to do.
	7:03pm βrian: @melinda: Smells like compassion. I'm with you on that.
	7:04pm βrian: Wait: is there such a thing as Tough Compassion ....?
	7:07pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!

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