WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from September 17, 2018

Listener comments!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Hello Mark, Techtometers!
	6:01pm listener james from westwood: How do, Mark, Jessamyn, and all!
	6:01pm TDK60: Hello Mark, been a while.
	6:01pm geezerette: I am a partial Cretin. :)
	🤖 6:02pm herb.nyc: hi mark & all, you can't spell TECHMOLOGY without EMO.
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Techtonic time! Hi Mark & Techtonauts!
	6:03pm Michael 98145: we love visiting libraries. and real post offices ...
	🤖 6:03pm herb.nyc: more power to Jessamyn - I hope it's good news we're hearing.
	6:03pm Crudbringer: ZOMG, MeFi's Jessamyn!
	6:05pm northguineahills: @Michael: A brand new public library branch just opened two blocks away from my house last month.
	6:05pm Rich in Washington: I always show up after roll call.
	🤖 6:05pm Bas NL: Durrrr...
	6:05pm Michael 98145: some newer libraries are really quite inviting
	6:05pm dale: I AM STILL A TOTAL DULLARD.
	6:06pm geezerette: Rich, you rebel!
	6:06pm melinda: Hi all
	6:06pm dale: ....THE INTERNET MADE ME THAT WAY.
	🤖 6:06pm herb.nyc: so cute, mark said EN-WE. ain't it pronounced AAWN-WE?
	🤖 6:07pm Folsom: Mark, any chance of you having Michael Chertoff on the show? He just put out a book about getting rid of social media, pretty big change from someone who helped write the Patriot act.
	6:07pm JakeGould: Learned helplessness is the core of the plot of every Woody Allen movie.
	6:08pm TDK60: Thought of a funny band name: Ennui & the Enthusiasts, but I digress.
	6:08pm ultradamno: In fairness "Don't Be Evil" was really holding Google back from being it's true self.
	6:09pm geezerette: I'm wearing a class ACTION-SUIT !
	🤖 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: Hi 'tonics
	6:10pm geezerette: Google overcame its learned helplessness.
	6:11pm BigCat: Have these PLATFIRMS bought any small countries yet??
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: But Duck Duck Go works in China, right? Who needs Google?
	6:12pm listener james from westwood: Clint Eastwood had to be physically restrained from addressing the chair.
	6:14pm BigCat: do we know the names of the 7 who left Goggle on principle? re transparency
	6:16pm chris: the little engine that could (keep track of what you do online) hi, Mark and tonicians.
	6:16pm BigCat: "circular logic" = "you shouldn't buy these apps that we sell"
	6:17pm ultradamno: We didn't tell you that you should let your kids get in our van, that's on you.
	🤖 6:17pm herb.nyc: helpless? only Neil Young is helpless. wait, mark used word HEGEMONIC. I feel helpless with 4syllable words.
	6:17pm Michael 98145: many agencies are abandoning their internal email servers and forcing employees onto gmail and outlook "services"
	6:17pm Sid: With Google and Android, you are the product. The advertisers are the customer.
	6:21pm geezerette: The New York Times digital subscriptions are connected to Facebook and Google. You are pushed by their graphic design to log in with either of those rather than NYT. It's a racket.
	🤖 6:23pm Folsom: @geezerette I use a separate login for NYT digital, it does take more clicks to do that though
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: Oh god the crap I go through to not end up getting a job! And how about needing a credit score to rent an apartment? I predate that!
	6:24pm Beast of Boonton: tracking how long you are interacting with a urinal
	6:24pm northguineahills: I'm being very unproductive at work currently (no one monitors me, I'm judged by the work I do).
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: I'm very productive at my non work currently.
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: Hi everyone, thanks for tuning in this evening!
	6:27pm geezerette: Words like Nation, citizen, person, others I can't think of right now, are fairly drained of meaning. Actually horrifying.
	6:28pm Beast of Boonton: seems they skipped the phone part of interview
	6:29pm Epz: Sorry Mark, tonight's guest sounds like a moronic social justice warrior. Additionally, she is cryptic at best with the details of her sob story. Surprised you take her seriously.
	🤖 6:29pm herb.nyc: @geezerette. right right right. add privacy to the list.
	6:30pm gw: Wacky ass employee .
	6:30pm Mark Hurst: Have to respectfully disagree with you there, Epz. My sense is that her experience is indicative of where hiring/management is going in the digital economy, hence the relevance
	6:31pm JakeGould: Well, I think calling the guest a “Social Justice Warrior” is harsh and trollish, but will say I am having very hard time understanding what any of her story is about. Valid or invalid, I’m quite confused by the way she’s explaining this.
	6:32pm Mark Hurst: And yeah, no need for harsh language.
	6:32pm northguineahills: The gig economy is why I left NYC and took a pay cut to work in a more intimate and secure environment.
	6:32pm Beast of Boonton: has anyone checked her Facebook page yet?
	6:33pm JakeGould: FWIW, I get that she stood up against Equifax in smalls claims court. But I really don’t get utterly anything else that she is elaborating on.
	6:34pm listener james from westwood: Like her all the more for her use of the verb "kvetched."
	6:35pm βrian: My cat loves to play kvetch.
	6:36pm geezerette: NGH, a definite win. Maybe you're avant garde and that will become a giant trend.
	6:36pm Carmichael: I am a luddite.
	6:37pm Linda Lee: yes, know the terms & conditions prompts very well. likely purposefully difficult to wade through.
	🤖 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: I really want to put a T&C on my website that has a nice fee in the middle. Many of these documents are legally unenforcible.
	6:38pm BigCat: there will be little TRAPS added in to the T& C ha!
	6:38pm Linda Lee: of course we don't read this shit! we want what we want & we want it now.
	6:39pm Carmichael: I'm waiting for a restaurant server to hand me my meal and a set of terms and conditions.
	6:39pm BigCat: "I Agree" to offer my wife and children to Megafuk Inc. upon submitting this form.
	6:39pm Linda Lee: not too bad if they're nourishing..
	6:40pm Garden Variety Lurker: Isn't Uber already doing the terms and conditions thing with employees... Or to put it another way isn't the relationship to Uber that an employee has basically a software user sort of relationship?
	6:40pm TDK60: Have you read all of the WFMU comments board Etiquette Manual? I just clicked "agree".
	6:41pm Linda Lee: & no one ventures out to look for this child? helpless!
	🤖 6:41pm Webhamster Henry: You laugh; check out these pre-nup agreements!
	6:42pm Linda Lee: if it was always the same i'd think technology.
	6:42pm Linda Lee: i was offered a pre-nup agreement once & i laughed my ass off.
	🤖 6:42pm Ken From Hyde Park: The official WFMU terms of service, for your reading pleasure: www.wfmu.org...
	6:43pm listener james from westwood: HOLY SHIT THIS SAMPLE IS SOME BLACK MIRROR SOUNDING STUFF
	6:43pm Linda Lee: that kid is so clearly a techno-child! there's no echo in a field, people! :-)
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: This Vehicle is protected by VIPER!
	6:43pm northguineahills: My pre-nup was me signing my marriage license, and the ceremony in town halll....
	6:43pm geezerette: Mark, that is so creepy...
	6:43pm WFMU listener WADE: that is creepy; awesome.
	6:43pm ultradamno: I've seen too many horror movies to ever investigate children singing plaintively in a field at night.
	6:44pm geezerette: L. James, yes!
	6:44pm Linda Lee: you go out in a group with pitchforks.
	6:44pm WFMU listener WADE: that song has a place in American Horror Story.
	6:45pm Linda Lee: helpless? no! pull the damn plug!
	🤖 6:45pm Webhamster Henry: I am Webhamster Ennui.
	6:46pm geezerette: Linda Lee, and torches, which has unfortunate connotations these days.
	6:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - & because of spiders on lenses. Too perfect! HappyHalloween...
	6:46pm Linda Lee: Chertoff! skeletor himself!
	6:46pm TDK60: Ken fHP: Thanks for posting that. I did read that but sort of skimmed/glanced. I should read all the fine print.
	6:46pm BigCat: oops -- everyone on this chat forgot the adbusters.org #occupysiliconvalley
	6:47pm Linda Lee: torches are good. very nice optics.
	6:47pm βrian: Keep calm and carry ennui.
	6:47pm geezerette: L.L., exactly!
	6:48pm BigCat: snarky: "China works in Google" the whole country
	🤖 6:48pm herb.nyc: OP-OP-HEUI, is how to say DUCKDUCKGO in cantonese.
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: Mark predicts: Duck Duck Go will be forced to be Peking Duck Duck Go.
	6:48pm Linda Lee: i fear there is no 'tuchus' in China.
	6:49pm geezerette: ...regarding Chertoff,(heh, shirt off...)
	6:49pm Sid: re the FMU regulations: TL; DR. Except for the kibosh part. Can they really do that?
	6:49pm geezerette: shudder...
	🤖 6:49pm herb.nyc: spk'ng of SPIDERS, there's a funny about this guy's spider art in book "the internet is a playground"
	6:49pm Beast of Boonton: Wake n Bake banned roll call
	6:49pm Michael 98145: US of A: E Pluribus Profit
	6:49pm Serpent Strike: Hello, Mark! Just finishing up some homework while listening to your show! And yes, indeed, Duck Duck go does work in china. P.S. Duck duck go is my search browser on my laptop!
	6:50pm Linda Lee: & this is why i hang with animals for a living. :-D
	6:50pm melinda: My favorite part of the terms of service: "WFMU is located in the state of New Jersey, USA. If you really screw things up somehow, you’re going to have to answer to New Jersey."
	🤖 6:51pm herb.nyc: New York public library uses google as well. in their internet classes, Microsoft and google are often products that are shilled.
	6:51pm geezerette: Melinda, :D!
	6:52pm melinda: hi geeze
	6:52pm JP: Re: Gmail in schools. I work at a k-8 school district, our students are already on Google with faculty/staff being transitioned as I type.
	6:52pm Linda Lee: sure, of course, using google etc is all about cutting costs. we're cutting costs so faithfully across the business community that we're cutting our own throats.
	6:52pm Fredericks: Equifax is compulsory without asking.
	6:53pm Linda Lee: let's not forget, kids: addiction wins by default, when there's not much else happening.
	6:53pm Michael 98145: if you outsource your email to cloud services, you outsource your responsibility regarding records retention. this is especially concerning in the health care industry.
	6:54pm geezerette: L.L., needlessly building a global dystopia for decades already.
	6:54pm hello!: At my (adult ed) school, personal gmail is not compulsory; however, we do use Google classrooms, and those require a gmail address (access to drive). We give students a new address, and I tell them they should only use it for school work.
	🤖 6:54pm Ken From Hyde Park: @JP - The school district here is immersed in Google.
	🤖 6:54pm Folsom: Here's the privacy page for the web player that WFMU has farmed out www.radiorethink.com... mixpanel.com seems to track a lot
	6:54pm Linda Lee: you betcha!
	6:54pm βrian: I have an iphone now. No apps. I won't get another.
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: iPhone Tennis and iPhone Tenner! Actually the new Apple watch is almost worth having.
	6:54pm listener james from westwood: IIRC WFMU switched to Gmail some years back from one of those old-old text-based email clients.
	6:55pm hello!: It’s just an FYI because we can use the tools without giving up all your personal information. Bests!
	6:55pm Sid: Flip phone, bah! I still use my Nokia 6010 candy bar.
	6:56pm Linda Lee: isn't a creepy line what any female person under 70 in any social gathering will generally get?
	6:56pm Carmichael: I have an iphone 8 and series 3 Apple watch. I ... uh ... "under-use" them.
	6:57pm geezerette: Thanks, Mark! Buddies!
	6:57pm Michael 98145: thanks from the left coast
	6:57pm northguineahills: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm Linda Lee: i have a string & a coupla cans.
	6:57pm JP: @Ken From Hyde Park - Google Apps, Classroom, etc. I work in IT and was hired on due to my experience with student technology programs. I often wonder what the hell I'm doing in this field.
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: @hello, I suggest everyone get a domain with a catch all email forward in it; that way every service or person you give "your" email to gets an unique address, which can be leaked or compromised without much damage to the rest of your online life.
	6:57pm Linda Lee: thanks again Mark!
	6:59pm Beast of Boonton: Mark - Your show is a great service!
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: Shows about the gig economy in any of its aspects make my blood boil.
	7:00pm listener james from westwood: Many thanks, Mark! Jessamyn would make a great semi-regular. MeFi is one of the few online communities not yet run rancid by trolls.
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone - appreciate you listening tonight. See you next week!
	🤖 7:03pm Webhamster Henry: I just though I'd put in a post-show comment that CVL tokens go on sale tomorrow. I hope to be participating in the Civil process; there's a local newsroom down the street from me. civil.co

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from September 17, 2018

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September 17, 2018: What happened when Jessamyn West sued Equifax

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This week: Jessamyn West on digital hiring-and-firing, and what happened when she sued Equifax.

Jessamyn's story:

• Losing (July 28), her account of the hiring-and-firing experience.

• Image of the offer letter (July 2), "The offer letter I got from a tech company you have definitely heard of is an 813 x 6318 px jpg."

• The Waking, by Theodore Roethke

Recent Tech News

• Google and the ennui of learned helplessness (Neil Turkewitz, July 18): "Google seeds and funds some of its most loyal academic and nonprofit allies by payments . . . Those recipients, in turn, have formally and informally supported or taken up Google’s causes . . . [this] simply compounds the ennui of learned helplessness that artists feel in dealing with the company."

• Google’s Dragonfly abandons “don’t be evil” (Matthew Yglesias writing in Vox today, Sept 17): "While normal people like us live in a morality-supporting social context where if I told people, 'I’m going to make some extra cash by helping autocratic regimes spy on their citizens,' they’d be appalled, Google exists in the opposite kind of context." [To be fair, Facebook supports its own autocratic regimes. -mark] Along the same lines, Google Employees Are Quitting Over The Company’s Secretive China Search Project (BuzzFeed News, Sept 13) about a list of "seven employees who say they quit their jobs at Google over a lack of corporate transparency."

• New Mexico sues Google, Twitter for illegally collecting data on children (UPI, Sept 16): The lawsuit comes after a University of California, Berkeley study analyzed nearly 6,000 children's apps and found that the majority of them appeared to violate COPPA. "These apps can track where children live, play, and go to school with incredible precision." See also the NYT story.

• Where in the World Is Larry Page? (Bloomberg, Sept 13): "Until the Senate hearing, Google had ducked much of the scorn heaped on the social media behemoths, especially Facebook Inc. Yet Google, more than any other tech company, set us on this path to unprecedented data mining and a world in which corporations track us online and off. . . . What’s occupying Page’s time today? People who know him say he’s disappearing more frequently to his private, white-sand Caribbean island."

...and from the Uncanny Valley:

• "It's Raining, It's Pouring" story from Boing Boing

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Artist	Track	Album	Approx. start time
Jessamyn West sued Equifax - and won. A hopeful case study in taking action against Big Tech.
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"	Machinarium Soundtrack
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Interview with Jessamyn West "Interview with Jessamyn West"		0:15:07 (Pop-up)
	Uncanny Valley "Uncanny Valley"		0:31:58 (Pop-up)
	Your calls and comments 201-209-9368 "Your calls and comments 201-209-9368"		0:40:35 (Pop-up)
Cult Fantastic	Screens "Screens" by "Cult Fantastic"		0:54:58 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:01pm ultradamno: Hello Mark, Techtometers!
	6:01pm listener james from westwood: How do, Mark, Jessamyn, and all!
	6:01pm TDK60: Hello Mark, been a while.
	6:01pm geezerette: I am a partial Cretin. :)
	🤖 6:02pm herb.nyc: hi mark & all, you can't spell TECHMOLOGY without EMO.
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Techtonic time! Hi Mark & Techtonauts!
	6:03pm Michael 98145: we love visiting libraries. and real post offices ...
	🤖 6:03pm herb.nyc: more power to Jessamyn - I hope it's good news we're hearing.
	6:03pm Crudbringer: ZOMG, MeFi's Jessamyn!
	6:05pm northguineahills: @Michael: A brand new public library branch just opened two blocks away from my house last month.
	6:05pm Rich in Washington: I always show up after roll call.
	🤖 6:05pm Bas NL: Durrrr...
	6:05pm Michael 98145: some newer libraries are really quite inviting
	6:05pm dale: I AM STILL A TOTAL DULLARD.
	6:06pm geezerette: Rich, you rebel!
	6:06pm melinda: Hi all
	6:06pm dale: ....THE INTERNET MADE ME THAT WAY.
	🤖 6:06pm herb.nyc: so cute, mark said EN-WE. ain't it pronounced AAWN-WE?
	🤖 6:07pm Folsom: Mark, any chance of you having Michael Chertoff on the show? He just put out a book about getting rid of social media, pretty big change from someone who helped write the Patriot act.
	6:07pm JakeGould: Learned helplessness is the core of the plot of every Woody Allen movie.
	6:08pm TDK60: Thought of a funny band name: Ennui & the Enthusiasts, but I digress.
	6:08pm ultradamno: In fairness "Don't Be Evil" was really holding Google back from being it's true self.
	6:09pm geezerette: I'm wearing a class ACTION-SUIT !
	🤖 6:09pm Webhamster Henry: Hi 'tonics
	6:10pm geezerette: Google overcame its learned helplessness.
	6:11pm BigCat: Have these PLATFIRMS bought any small countries yet??
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: But Duck Duck Go works in China, right? Who needs Google?
	6:12pm listener james from westwood: Clint Eastwood had to be physically restrained from addressing the chair.
	6:14pm BigCat: do we know the names of the 7 who left Goggle on principle? re transparency
	6:16pm chris: the little engine that could (keep track of what you do online) hi, Mark and tonicians.
	6:16pm BigCat: "circular logic" = "you shouldn't buy these apps that we sell"
	6:17pm ultradamno: We didn't tell you that you should let your kids get in our van, that's on you.
	🤖 6:17pm herb.nyc: helpless? only Neil Young is helpless. wait, mark used word HEGEMONIC. I feel helpless with 4syllable words.
	6:17pm Michael 98145: many agencies are abandoning their internal email servers and forcing employees onto gmail and outlook "services"
	6:17pm Sid: With Google and Android, you are the product. The advertisers are the customer.
	6:21pm geezerette: The New York Times digital subscriptions are connected to Facebook and Google. You are pushed by their graphic design to log in with either of those rather than NYT. It's a racket.
	🤖 6:23pm Folsom: @geezerette I use a separate login for NYT digital, it does take more clicks to do that though
	🤖 6:23pm Webhamster Henry: Oh god the crap I go through to not end up getting a job! And how about needing a credit score to rent an apartment? I predate that!
	6:24pm Beast of Boonton: tracking how long you are interacting with a urinal
	6:24pm northguineahills: I'm being very unproductive at work currently (no one monitors me, I'm judged by the work I do).
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: I'm very productive at my non work currently.
	6:25pm Mark Hurst: Hi everyone, thanks for tuning in this evening!
	6:27pm geezerette: Words like Nation, citizen, person, others I can't think of right now, are fairly drained of meaning. Actually horrifying.
	6:28pm Beast of Boonton: seems they skipped the phone part of interview
	6:29pm Epz: Sorry Mark, tonight's guest sounds like a moronic social justice warrior. Additionally, she is cryptic at best with the details of her sob story. Surprised you take her seriously.
	🤖 6:29pm herb.nyc: @geezerette. right right right. add privacy to the list.
	6:30pm gw: Wacky ass employee .
	6:30pm Mark Hurst: Have to respectfully disagree with you there, Epz. My sense is that her experience is indicative of where hiring/management is going in the digital economy, hence the relevance
	6:31pm JakeGould: Well, I think calling the guest a “Social Justice Warrior” is harsh and trollish, but will say I am having very hard time understanding what any of her story is about. Valid or invalid, I’m quite confused by the way she’s explaining this.
	6:32pm Mark Hurst: And yeah, no need for harsh language.
	6:32pm northguineahills: The gig economy is why I left NYC and took a pay cut to work in a more intimate and secure environment.
	6:32pm Beast of Boonton: has anyone checked her Facebook page yet?
	6:33pm JakeGould: FWIW, I get that she stood up against Equifax in smalls claims court. But I really don’t get utterly anything else that she is elaborating on.
	6:34pm listener james from westwood: Like her all the more for her use of the verb "kvetched."
	6:35pm βrian: My cat loves to play kvetch.
	6:36pm geezerette: NGH, a definite win. Maybe you're avant garde and that will become a giant trend.
	6:36pm Carmichael: I am a luddite.
	6:37pm Linda Lee: yes, know the terms & conditions prompts very well. likely purposefully difficult to wade through.
	🤖 6:38pm Webhamster Henry: I really want to put a T&C on my website that has a nice fee in the middle. Many of these documents are legally unenforcible.
	6:38pm BigCat: there will be little TRAPS added in to the T& C ha!
	6:38pm Linda Lee: of course we don't read this shit! we want what we want & we want it now.
	6:39pm Carmichael: I'm waiting for a restaurant server to hand me my meal and a set of terms and conditions.
	6:39pm BigCat: "I Agree" to offer my wife and children to Megafuk Inc. upon submitting this form.
	6:39pm Linda Lee: not too bad if they're nourishing..
	6:40pm Garden Variety Lurker: Isn't Uber already doing the terms and conditions thing with employees... Or to put it another way isn't the relationship to Uber that an employee has basically a software user sort of relationship?
	6:40pm TDK60: Have you read all of the WFMU comments board Etiquette Manual? I just clicked "agree".
	6:41pm Linda Lee: & no one ventures out to look for this child? helpless!
	🤖 6:41pm Webhamster Henry: You laugh; check out these pre-nup agreements!
	6:42pm Linda Lee: if it was always the same i'd think technology.
	6:42pm Linda Lee: i was offered a pre-nup agreement once & i laughed my ass off.
	🤖 6:42pm Ken From Hyde Park: The official WFMU terms of service, for your reading pleasure: www.wfmu.org...
	6:43pm listener james from westwood: HOLY SHIT THIS SAMPLE IS SOME BLACK MIRROR SOUNDING STUFF
	6:43pm Linda Lee: that kid is so clearly a techno-child! there's no echo in a field, people! :-)
	🤖 6:43pm Webhamster Henry: This Vehicle is protected by VIPER!
	6:43pm northguineahills: My pre-nup was me signing my marriage license, and the ceremony in town halll....
	6:43pm geezerette: Mark, that is so creepy...
	6:43pm WFMU listener WADE: that is creepy; awesome.
	6:43pm ultradamno: I've seen too many horror movies to ever investigate children singing plaintively in a field at night.
	6:44pm geezerette: L. James, yes!
	6:44pm Linda Lee: you go out in a group with pitchforks.
	6:44pm WFMU listener WADE: that song has a place in American Horror Story.
	6:45pm Linda Lee: helpless? no! pull the damn plug!
	🤖 6:45pm Webhamster Henry: I am Webhamster Ennui.
	6:46pm geezerette: Linda Lee, and torches, which has unfortunate connotations these days.
	6:46pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: - & because of spiders on lenses. Too perfect! HappyHalloween...
	6:46pm Linda Lee: Chertoff! skeletor himself!
	6:46pm TDK60: Ken fHP: Thanks for posting that. I did read that but sort of skimmed/glanced. I should read all the fine print.
	6:46pm BigCat: oops -- everyone on this chat forgot the adbusters.org #occupysiliconvalley
	6:47pm Linda Lee: torches are good. very nice optics.
	6:47pm βrian: Keep calm and carry ennui.
	6:47pm geezerette: L.L., exactly!
	6:48pm BigCat: snarky: "China works in Google" the whole country
	🤖 6:48pm herb.nyc: OP-OP-HEUI, is how to say DUCKDUCKGO in cantonese.
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: Mark predicts: Duck Duck Go will be forced to be Peking Duck Duck Go.
	6:48pm Linda Lee: i fear there is no 'tuchus' in China.
	6:49pm geezerette: ...regarding Chertoff,(heh, shirt off...)
	6:49pm Sid: re the FMU regulations: TL; DR. Except for the kibosh part. Can they really do that?
	6:49pm geezerette: shudder...
	🤖 6:49pm herb.nyc: spk'ng of SPIDERS, there's a funny about this guy's spider art in book "the internet is a playground"
	6:49pm Beast of Boonton: Wake n Bake banned roll call
	6:49pm Michael 98145: US of A: E Pluribus Profit
	6:49pm Serpent Strike: Hello, Mark! Just finishing up some homework while listening to your show! And yes, indeed, Duck Duck go does work in china. P.S. Duck duck go is my search browser on my laptop!
	6:50pm Linda Lee: & this is why i hang with animals for a living. :-D
	6:50pm melinda: My favorite part of the terms of service: "WFMU is located in the state of New Jersey, USA. If you really screw things up somehow, you’re going to have to answer to New Jersey."
	🤖 6:51pm herb.nyc: New York public library uses google as well. in their internet classes, Microsoft and google are often products that are shilled.
	6:51pm geezerette: Melinda, :D!
	6:52pm melinda: hi geeze
	6:52pm JP: Re: Gmail in schools. I work at a k-8 school district, our students are already on Google with faculty/staff being transitioned as I type.
	6:52pm Linda Lee: sure, of course, using google etc is all about cutting costs. we're cutting costs so faithfully across the business community that we're cutting our own throats.
	6:52pm Fredericks: Equifax is compulsory without asking.
	6:53pm Linda Lee: let's not forget, kids: addiction wins by default, when there's not much else happening.
	6:53pm Michael 98145: if you outsource your email to cloud services, you outsource your responsibility regarding records retention. this is especially concerning in the health care industry.
	6:54pm geezerette: L.L., needlessly building a global dystopia for decades already.
	6:54pm hello!: At my (adult ed) school, personal gmail is not compulsory; however, we do use Google classrooms, and those require a gmail address (access to drive). We give students a new address, and I tell them they should only use it for school work.
	🤖 6:54pm Ken From Hyde Park: @JP - The school district here is immersed in Google.
	🤖 6:54pm Folsom: Here's the privacy page for the web player that WFMU has farmed out www.radiorethink.com... mixpanel.com seems to track a lot
	6:54pm Linda Lee: you betcha!
	6:54pm βrian: I have an iphone now. No apps. I won't get another.
	🤖 6:54pm Webhamster Henry: iPhone Tennis and iPhone Tenner! Actually the new Apple watch is almost worth having.
	6:54pm listener james from westwood: IIRC WFMU switched to Gmail some years back from one of those old-old text-based email clients.
	6:55pm hello!: It’s just an FYI because we can use the tools without giving up all your personal information. Bests!
	6:55pm Sid: Flip phone, bah! I still use my Nokia 6010 candy bar.
	6:56pm Linda Lee: isn't a creepy line what any female person under 70 in any social gathering will generally get?
	6:56pm Carmichael: I have an iphone 8 and series 3 Apple watch. I ... uh ... "under-use" them.
	6:57pm geezerette: Thanks, Mark! Buddies!
	6:57pm Michael 98145: thanks from the left coast
	6:57pm northguineahills: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:57pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm Linda Lee: i have a string & a coupla cans.
	6:57pm JP: @Ken From Hyde Park - Google Apps, Classroom, etc. I work in IT and was hired on due to my experience with student technology programs. I often wonder what the hell I'm doing in this field.
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: @hello, I suggest everyone get a domain with a catch all email forward in it; that way every service or person you give "your" email to gets an unique address, which can be leaked or compromised without much damage to the rest of your online life.
	6:57pm Linda Lee: thanks again Mark!
	6:59pm Beast of Boonton: Mark - Your show is a great service!
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: Shows about the gig economy in any of its aspects make my blood boil.
	7:00pm listener james from westwood: Many thanks, Mark! Jessamyn would make a great semi-regular. MeFi is one of the few online communities not yet run rancid by trolls.
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone - appreciate you listening tonight. See you next week!
	🤖 7:03pm Webhamster Henry: I just though I'd put in a post-show comment that CVL tokens go on sale tomorrow. I hope to be participating in the Civil process; there's a local newsroom down the street from me. civil.co

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