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Favoriting April 30, 2018: Corey Pein on his new book, "Live Work Work Work Die: A Journey Into the Savage Heart of Silicon Valley"

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This week: Corey Pein, author of the new book Live Work Work Work Die: A Journey Into the Savage Heart of Silicon Valley

Pointers to Corey's work:

Corey's homepage

@coreypein on Twitter

‘Like Selling Crack to Children’: A Peek Inside the Silicon Valley Grift Machine, by Corey Pein (New York magazine, April 2018)

Salon's review of Corey's book, by Keith Spencer

...but first, as usual, we'll start with...

Tech News

Silicon Valley Can't Be Trusted With Our History, by Evan Hill. "We create almost everything on the internet, but we control almost none of it."

Megan McArdle's thread explaining "just how bad the economics of the media industry are" (see also the unrolled thread). "Subtitle: why you can't have all the awesome free journalism you want and have come to expect."

There will be little privacy in the workplace of the future, from The Economist’s March 2018 issue. Excerpt: “‘Every aspect of business is becoming more data-driven. There’s no reason the people side of business shouldn’t be the same,’ says Ben Waber, Humanyze’s boss. The company’s staff are treated much the same way as its clients. Data from their employees’ badges are integrated with information from their e-mail and calendars to form a full picture of how they spend their time at work. Clients get to see only team-level statistics, but Humanyze’s employees can look at their own data, which include metrics such as time spent with people of the same sex, activity levels and the ratio of time spent speaking versus listening.”

Code Red: Organizing the tech sector, by Alex Press in the spring 2018 issue of n+1, surveying the state of union-organizing in the tech space.

The Internet’s ‘Original Sin’ Endangers More Than Privacy, by Brendan Eich and Brian Brown (who run the privacy-minded Brave browser). "As much as half the data consumed on mobile plans goes to downloading ads and trackers, adding significantly to fixed mobile data plans. . . As much as 50% of mobile battery life is consumed by ads while browsing. . . The internet need not be characterized by predation and parasitism. It can once again be a place of infinite possibility. Innovation got us into this situation; it can get us out."

• ...oh, and Facebook had its earnings call. Here's the summary, below, from Jason Kint:



More on that consent decree: NPR, March 2018: "The Federal Trade Commission is looking into whether Facebook violated a [2011] consent decree by enabling third parties to access users' information without their permission." ($40,000 per violation.)

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Listener comments!

  6:02pm
Zetti:

Hey!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Nice Titanic image! :)
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Linda Lee:

bravo! hi Mark!
  6:03pm
melinda:

Hi folks
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Folsom:

Mark, I see that the pop up player is now hosted by a third party radiorethink.com. I looked at their privacy policy, and there are some trackers on the site. Do you know if we are being tracked by the player? I see links to buy music from amazon. Maybe only use the mp3 stream to be safe?
Avatar 6:04pm
TDK60:

Hello Mark, been a few weeks since I've been here. I'm just as tech-skeptical as I was...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:06pm
queems:

HELLO
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Linda Lee:

queems, did you get any good photos at the rec fair you could share with us? hint?
  6:06pm
melinda:

Wish I could have attended the record fair
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geezerette:

Damn, I LOVE this show!
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TDK60:

Melinda, you still at work?
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queems:

@linda i only took a couple, but i can upload them! mostly of this one band that was playing and of some windows
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Linda Lee:

we'd love seeing 'em!
who was the band?
(yes i am glad you were busy being there instead of taking pictures!)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
queems:

i also took one of my boyfriend standing in front of a record that said "drinkin my own sperm"
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Linda Lee:

ha! wow! he must be an interesting guy :-D
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:09pm
queems:

he was an unwilling participant but i got a kick out of it
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Linda Lee:

good for you! :-)
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TDK60:

Love the illustration today. It says a lot.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...what are my offers for my identity this evening...
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Linda Lee:

i like it too, TDK60. brilliant.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...reminds me of this Moby video :
www.youtube.com...
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TDK60:

I'm glad you laughed Mark. I would have cried or screamed.
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geezerette:

Ditto the illustration.
Howdy buddies!
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queems:

i don't think i want to live in the future
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northguineahills:

Considering I'm technically the IT guy for my company, that shit ain't happening (outside what big data already tracts).
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:15pm
ultradamno:

Useless without detailed bathroom behavior data, Humanyze,
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I can steal yer DNA profile & 3Dprint a better you every Monday punk...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
Bas NL:

My battery level???
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TDK60:

I'm pro-union but very critical of their coziness with the bosses. I'm Wobbly in spirit. (Right-on to the recent teacher uprisings.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:16pm
dale:

when you can't leave a relationship that's domestic abuse.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:17pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Let me guess ... workers at Humanyze swap their badges with other random employees when they arrive at work?
  6:17pm
melinda:

@TDK about to head home
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Linda Lee:

time to delineate an identity divorced from tech in order to spiritually survive the future!
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northguineahills:

@TFK60: The collagist Wobly who has collaborated w/ Matmos and People Like US.

Feel better melinda, we're w/ you!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Take care, melinda. We're thinking of you.
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geezerette:

We're living in a brave new world. Craven seems more accurate than brave, but whatever.
Avatar 6:19pm
northguineahills:

errr....@TDK60: ...PLU?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:19pm
queems:

i clicked on the link about humanyze and was greeted with a warning about agreeing to the site using my cookies for marketing and i was like huh how appropriate
Avatar 6:20pm
geezerette:

I'm drinking a tech tonic right now.
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TDK60:

NGH: Don't know "Wobly," I mean the I.W.W. union of the early 20th Century, still around but small. (They were nicknamed Wobblies)
  6:21pm
own crabapplesatellite Johnzon:

Great show today
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geezerette:

Kurtzweil is nuts.
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geezerette:

You can't organize libertarians.
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Linda Lee:

love hearing this stuff articulated so well.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Move The Goalposts...I Win - !!...
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TedfromOakland:

Yes! This interviewee is Speaking Truth.
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Linda Lee:

honestly, i'm so bored with the USA.
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TDK60:

Linda Lee, you must have heard The Clash at one point.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

....flamingo hedgehog croquet...
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Linda Lee:

my secret theme song since they put it out :-D
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geezerette:

Linda Lee, it's weirdly comforting. Misery loves...
Avatar 6:26pm
Linda Lee:

you mean discussion of our doom, geezerette? :-)
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northguineahills:

I know, TDK60, I was being tongue-in-cheek since this is WFMU. ;)
  6:27pm
jess:

Linda Lee for prez!
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TDK60:

That 1rst album is so abrasive, I love it.
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Linda Lee:

god no!! pleases no!! :-D
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geezerette:

Yes Linda Lee, exactly.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...the World Wide Web was supposed to Decentralize everything...
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Linda Lee:

@TDK60 ~ yes lovely album.
  6:29pm
jess:

no Clay for prez and you as vice president of secretary of state.
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Linda Lee:

get ready for anarchy, jess :-D
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Top20s: www.20albums.com...
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TDK60:

No prez! Linda Lee for recallable/mandatable delegate. (hee.)
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geezerette:

We're being disassembled so fast it's almost imperseptable.
  6:30pm
jess:

hell yeah @LL!
  6:31pm
jess:

ha ha TDK60!
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Linda Lee:

:-)
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geezerette:

...imperceptible...jeez...!
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Linda Lee:

my god, do believe the privacy horse has left the barn, hasn't it?
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Own our own data ?!?!?!
: O < !!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:33pm
Mark Hurst:

Hi everyone! Thanks for joining in tonight. Here's the battery-level thing - it was actually about Instagram: twitter.com...
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TDK60:

The Europeans came up with a term (back in the 90s I think): the precarious or precariat.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

The Bill of Rights did not translate into Digital...
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

(...it were written by white landowning male slaverapers anyhow who just didn't wanna pay tax...)
  6:34pm
exile-on-hicks-st:

@Linda Lee - yes.
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Linda Lee:

Rev ~ correct. civil rights for me, but not for thee. & we only build on that basic idea.
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Linda Lee:

good one, TDK60.
let's have the brand on those dumbphones & cheap tablets!
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Linda Lee:

there we go. el katel?
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TDK60:

They call it "casual" labor here. What's so casual about working more?
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Linda Lee:

possible business idea: manufacture new dumb phones!
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geezerette:

Scott Pruit woke me up to the reality that these people no longer bother to even pretend they care about citizens or Constitution.
Last straw. Shocking, horrifying, how fast the tent communities are appearing on sidewalks everywhere. Tragic.
Avatar 6:38pm
Linda Lee:

@TDK60 ~ relaxed dress code?
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:38pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

There used to be little sound-proof chambers where there was a public phone that you could use. Something-booth, they called them.
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TDK60:

LL: Oh yeah, that's about it, dress code. You can be hip as you help the 1%.
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Linda Lee:

@geezerette ~ www.independent.co.uk...
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queems:

spoiler alert: my battery is almost always close to empty because i don't want to spent $1000 on a new phone that works better
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
queems:

good luck advertising to me- i don't like to buy stuff
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Oh hell. NewHampshuh here is a 'Right to Work' state - which means no right to Unions ...the right to be fired & have no Rights @ all as a Worker...& this is a 'Blue' state...I am a Temp worker w/ no benefits, job security - 'cetera...
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:40pm
Bas NL:

My battery is 98%.. I charge too often? Use my phone to little?
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Linda Lee:

i don't have a 'smart phone' & do believe if i get one it'll be dumb!
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:41pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

Alcatel phones in the US - us.alcatelmobile.com
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queems:

i'm a millennial- i only understand something if i see it on a smart phone screen
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Linda Lee:

thanks Ken! yay!
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TDK60:

Is it possible we could eventually make a cooperatively- run ecologically-leaning tech system? It might be like a food co-op federation or some such.
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northguineahills:

I think I effed up an interview which was going swimmingly beforehand when I said, "I don't want to be a code monkey" since I don't mind coding, I just don't like doing it all the time. I think the interviewer probably started out as a code monkey.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...hell - time for 'smart' homes...'smart' didloes...data-tracking toasters & ladybots...
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Linda Lee:

(( however, we don't want a modern type phone with all the tracked bells & whistles ..))
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northguineahills:

Leaving in 5 mins to do laundry (forgot to do so yesterday). Thanks Mark and Corey!
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TDK60:

NGH, get those "casuals" clean.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
ultradamno:

Uber and Lyft drivers rallying in Portland www.oregonlive.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
TedfromOakland:

I just read a piece on Coachella and the modern era of surveillance festivals: that wristband they give upon entry has a chip in it--they know where each festival attendee is at all times!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:44pm
queems:

@ted that's messed up
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TDK60:

There are good things -- DNA tests getting innocent folks outta jail is obviously good.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:45pm
Bas NL:

My work suggested i'd install Whatsapp. I said no. they summed up all the good it would provide. I said my phone had no internet. Would i like internet on my phone? No.
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Linda Lee:

there you go Bas.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...When I heard about face-recognition utilized in arenas (as for concerts or sports) - i made a note of that...everything in 'Minority Report' from 2002 has basically happened...
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geezerette:

Linda Lee, thanks for the link! Yep.
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Linda Lee:

the old fashioned word for what we're growing here is: dystopia.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:47pm
ultradamno:

Well, it's because you're creating something they can box up, i.e. contents.
Avatar 6:49pm
Linda Lee:

planning a line of t shirts inspired by our relationship to tech. latest design says, in block letters:
CONTENT
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:49pm
Ken From Hyde Park:

I hear George ... phone success!
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geezerette:

Rev Rab, which makes the film a statement of intentions.
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northguineahills:

I saw the radio rethink when looking at the code this weekend, and noticed the same. I use the popup when both my phone and iTunes are both borked.
  6:50pm
kevlicki:

Hey TDK60
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TDK60:

Clay Pigeon has a term for his listeners: "glisteners"...Do we need a term for the listeners to this show, or not?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:51pm
Tommy in Neversink:

You mean we're not having a sing along this week ?
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TDK60:

Kev. what's up?
  6:51pm
kevlicki:

Does everybody know that the wfmu comments board is searchable in google? I’ve found my handle in searches...
Everything you say online is recorded
  6:51pm
kevlicki:

Tdk60 Im trying to make birdhouses
  6:52pm
Ghoffman:

duckduckgo is good. Startpage is better
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queems:

@kevlicki yeah, i've noticed that
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Linda Lee:

@kevlicki ~ this is why i warned our glisteners today: your comments are international forever, so don't be an asshole.
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Linda Lee:

(heads up, in other words.)
  6:53pm
Ghoffman:

are there any alternatives to facebook and instagram? I’m a professional musician and it has become near impossible to promote without those two services
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TDK60:

I'm already doomed, having mentioned the Wobs.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:53pm
queems:

is the mobile data usage thing still true if you use an ad blocker?
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Linda Lee:

i'll say it again: the key to our survival as human beings in future is to develop personhood outside tech.
Avatar 🤖 Swag For Life Member 6:54pm
Bas NL:

Do trackers track trackers?
  6:54pm
kevlicki:

I’m mostly concerned with my contributions to shut up weirdo!
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geezerette:

Linda Lee, that's brilliant.
We're a banana republic but Banana Republic won't sell your shirt.
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Linda Lee:

Mark calls our fmu comments board some of the best social media going, in terms of signal to noise ratio. but of course as long as we're online at all right now, we're data & we'll be used as data.
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Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

As an Astrology enthusiast...you wanted the Age of Aquarius ??
Here it is folks. Hope you like it...Genies out of Bottles all around...
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TDK60:

Bring back that '70s term: "appropriate tech"?
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Linda Lee:

good one, geezerette.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
queems:

i took all of the identifying info out of my profile
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:56pm
melinda:

@TDK I suggested Techtons but it hasn't caught on.
@kevlicki yes. It's there forever. I was once involved in an online health support group that was public and when I did google searches on certain specific topics I found my own questions to the group. At least I had a fake name there.
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geezerette:

Pandora's box, now open.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
ultradamno:

It's like Silicon Valley is all people who read 1984 and Brave New World and walked away with all the wrong messages
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:57pm
queems:

it was very nice to meet you, mark! thanks for the card trick
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Jeff Moore:

@Folsom, @NGH: whatever other concerns there may be, I recommend using the bare live streams in a standalone "real" audio player whenever possible just for optimal reliability and sound quality. If you dislike iTunes or it's in a state of disrepair, that's fine, because VLC is in my opinion a more pleasing lightweight all-around Swiss Army knife of an audio player:

www.videolan.org...
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Linda Lee:

i vote for 1 positive show for every horrifying show.
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TDK60:

Great show...could it go to 90 min. someday?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
queems:

i love uncle michael's show
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Bas NL:

Pheww! This hour goes fast.. Thanks Mark & all!
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geezerette:

Ultradamno,yep!
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Rich in Washington:

Thanks for a great show! Informative. Infuriating.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
Smokestack:

Great show again, Mark
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Linda Lee:

Agree, TDK!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:58pm
queems:

oh man this song is my jam!!!
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Linda Lee:

80s hit right there.
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Jeff Moore:

...and to play in VLC, for live WFMU use I recommend the 128k AAC stream:

stream0.wfmu.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Rich in Washington:

I'm a hinky dinky listener too. Love that show.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 6:59pm
Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Really appreciate the kind words & your tuning in. See you next week.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Rockwell!
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Linda Lee:

thanks Mark!
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βrian:

Ach! This is the worst time *ever* for a discussion/call-in show! I really try to make it, but it's like a salmon swimming against a tsunami!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
queems:

so many uncredited jacksons on this track
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Linda Lee:

yep .. this was a hit in 1984! true!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 7:00pm
melinda:

Thanks for the tips Jeff, I just downloaded.
Avatar 7:00pm
geezerette:

Such great people here,
Thanks, Mark!
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