WFMU: Strength Through Failure with Fabio: Playlist from February 8, 2018

Listener comments!
	3:04pm chocolate monk: gurps!
	3:04pm Cecile: Oh, I think I know this one.
	👻 3:04pm Rev. Turnip Druid: peace be witchaw.
	3:05pm glenn: who is this and what do you want?
	3:05pm Cheri Pi: this rings a bell too
	3:05pm Michael 98145: haven't heard this for awhile :)
	3:06pm nic: still love this !!!
	👻 3:06pm Ken From Hyde Park: Party time in Giant Land!
	3:07pm James Black: I need a Black-eye!
	3:09pm saintMichael: omg what is this?
	3:09pm sphere: hello folks
	3:09pm Cecile: match.com really works!
	3:09pm sphere: James Chance and Lydia Lunch, right?
	3:09pm βrian: Fibrillating epiglottis!
	3:11pm βrian: It would make sense that James Chance follows James Last.
	3:12pm Michael 98145: Masculine Inadequacies Drive Women Nuts - blogfiles.wfmu.org...
	3:17pm common: good Thursday!
	3:20pm BronwynB: hey fabio and everyone!
	👻 3:21pm Rev. Turnip Druid: vigorously approving.
	3:23pm northguineahills: subtle title....
	3:23pm J Gilly: Sexy show today ha
	3:24pm khd: could someone give that lady a hand with her groceries?
	3:26pm Nellie: Haha
	3:26pm Orgasmatron 3000: 'did ya git any on ya?'
	3:27pm Boy in Boston: play some music with guys getting fucked please
	3:28pm northguineahills: Bob Ashley!
	3:28pm nic: love this !!!
	3:29pm Ike: @khd, I think someone was already giving that lady a hand! (Sorry, couldn't resist.) Has Fabio ever done a premium called Fabio's Pervy Moaning-Lady Extravaganza?!
	3:29pm Michael 98145: dental hygiene
	3:30pm ?: First post ever, been listening for years. Glad to post listening to this perved out stuff Fab. i'm a little uncomfortable now
	3:31pm BronwynB: i agree with our boy in boston
	3:31pm Dean: Mary Wing is seeking suggestions of songs in which the lyrics include the spelling of a word, e.g., G-L-O-R-I-A. It occurred to me that Robert Ashley's lyrics must include an instance or two of this phenomenon, but I can't think of one.
	3:31pm Dean: Songs with guys getting fucked? You mean like "I Fought the Law"?
	3:31pm rw: Gross!
	3:32pm BronwynB: @dean: no, like whole lotta love
	3:32pm Bill Main: I heard this track years ago and have been trying to remember the composer (Robert Ashley) ever since! Thanks for playing.
	3:34pm bill: yikes, where's FUV?
	3:34pm northguineahills: The Soft Pink Truth do some samples of guys getting fucked.
	3:34pm J: Ok this is a bit much
	3:34pm -Ken: My college station WCBN got into big trouble for airing this Ashley piece back in 1980 or so.
	3:34pm khd: intense...
	3:34pm dale: was this on a carnival cruise?
	3:35pm northguineahills: If think this is intense, read the backstory of this recording... (of the monologue).
	3:35pm khd: @ken - SOUND THE GOAT ALARM
	3:35pm pnuthead: hot stuff. 2nd post (forgot my name before). trigger warning fab, omg need a xanax.
	3:35pm Boy in Boston: is this just more male bullshit couched as avant garde..... ??
	3:36pm Mark Williams: a critique, which I found just now. I've not formed my own opinion yet, so this is purely fyi: https://www.waggish.org/2003/purposeful-lady-slow-afternoon-robert-ashley/
	3:36pm J: Airhorn
	3:36pm Debt Collector: description of rape
	3:36pm Dean: Stooges, "Loose"? Or am I not adequately respecting the passive construction of "getting fucked"?
	3:37pm Boy in Boston: i do love that iggy song!
	3:37pm Michael 98145: (feat. Cynthia Liddell)
	3:37pm Brown eye winking: listen to more Butthole Surfers.
	3:37pm J: Yeah this is pretty fucking rapey Fab
	3:38pm rsj: Fabio must have disabled Ken's alarm before his show
	3:38pm northguineahills: @Boy in Boston: if it was anyone else but Robert Ashley, I'd agree w/ you.
	3:38pm J: @BostonBoy YUUUUUUP
	3:39pm Boy in Boston: context is everything
	3:40pm Dean: All of Ashley takes some work. We'll be extracting meaning from those operas and other pieces for a long time.
	3:40pm nic: i've always loved it !!!
	3:41pm rsj: the ashley opera about the extra man, and the genesis of catsup, is awesome
	3:41pm P: I saw Robert Ashley at a performance of one of his works at Roulette in late 2013. Most of it was in Romansh. He sat in the front row and took time to talk to everyone in crowd. He was in good spirits despite his health.
	3:42pm Lixiviated Life: JC & the contortions no doubt
	3:43pm Dean: During law school I had hoped to have occasional evenings of comparative listening to, e.g., various recordings of classical works. Ex.: an evening listening to Schubert's final piano sonata. Managed to have only one such evening, and it wasn't comparative. We listened to Ashley's "Improvement."
	3:45pm joe mulligan: wow Ashely was in 1968! still timely. made me think of that NYT article going around about how porn is affecting teens these days
	3:46pm dale: yes, that was pre-big sausage pizza.
	3:46pm Devin B.: Ashley re-used some lines from the "Purposeful Lady" monologue in a later opera - El Aficionado, maybe?
	3:47pm pcnyc: Ok, agree with @Boy in Boston and @J that the Ashley monolgoue was uncomfortable, triggering and exploitative. Not "beautiful" as you suggested, Fabio.
	3:47pm Mark Williams: I just played my copy of this Crescent 10" the other day. Crackly for some reason. It always disturbs me. Not an easy throw down, especially when the keyboards come in.
	👻 3:48pm Ken From Hyde Park: The good part is we didn't have to sit through a bunch of loud, pointless commercials before the show started. Not like they do in the movie theaters.
	3:49pm J: No matter how anyone felt about it, that's the beauty of free form radio. I almost tuned out though. Lame piece
	3:49pm βrian: Apropos of nothing I wonder how often Ruth Bader Ginsburg is triggered.
	3:49pm Mark Williams: the Jones brothers who were in Movietone were in Crescent, btw.
	3:50pm Chris from DC: Yay, Crescent. Good to hear this.
	3:51pm sexism: get over it/like music anything interesting is a mixture of greatness.
	3:52pm pcnyc: It's just as creepy as that Dr. Bootygrabber gross-out that @-Ken likes to revisit.
	3:54pm Boy in Boston: ...a mixture of greatness and....... what?
	3:55pm ⓔⓘⓚ: It is creepy but at least it focuses more on the woman's perception of the act rather than the man's POV...? Though the woman seems impassive and blanked-out like a pr0n lady, so I don't like that. Very confusing....
	3:57pm βrian: Yes, it's that almost out-of-body recollection that gives it such an unsettling tinge.
	3:58pm -Ken: Ashley wrote the words for that piece, so it's a man imagining rape from a woman's perspective. I've been hearing that piece for decades and it always gets a huge reaction from people.
	3:58pm Love is how you make it: Do not take this personal/everything is not about your sexual preference.
	3:58pm nic: this is great !!!
	3:58pm Devin B.: According to Kyle Gann's book on him, Ashley based the text on interviews with female friends about their real experiences with men. The idea was to present the facts of what happened without emotion.
	3:59pm northguineahills: Man, loving this Crescent, how have I not heard it!
	3:59pm dale: my take is if art doesn't make you squirm a little it isn't working.
	4:00pm Dean: By that criterion, @dale, The Police produce art, and I just won't stand for that.
	4:00pm βrian: Baby Animal makes me squirm a bit.
	4:01pm Boy in Boston: wait, is there something about love happening here? sexual preference? did I miss something?
	4:01pm Dean: Or perhaps you intended squirming as a necessary, but not sufficient, criterion.
	4:02pm ⓔⓘⓚ: @Dean, you don't like "Message in a Bottle" and "De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da"?!?
	4:03pm Dean: @ⓔⓘⓚ, not in public, no.
	4:03pm rw: I hadn't known that work but have been generally a fan of Ashley. The fact that he wrote the monologue himself as Ken points out seems a little disingenuous and makes me question that particular work.
	4:04pm Boy in Boston: i like When The World Keeps Running Down ...
	4:05pm Chris from DC: Going to track down the full Bernier piece. Really like this.
	4:05pm pcnyc: Impassively conveyed, like she's recounting to her therapist or something, and we're eavesdropping on a highly-sensitive and personal dialogue of confidences. For what purpose? And how can there be a bodily violation of another person accurately conveyed without emotion?
	4:06pm dale: don't over analyze it - it's a piece of theater.
	4:09pm Dean: My memory could be playing games, but Ashley's conceit reminds me of some of Peter Handke's work, its clinical accounts of crises and deep anxiety. Handke famously wrote a play, "Offending the Audience," aimed at doing just that.
	4:10pm Devin B.: Purposeful Lady grew out of a larger piece called "That Morning Thing," inspired by three friends of Ashley's, three women who didn't know each other and who each committed suicide. He says it "was an attempt to come to grips with that, to get rid of it, so you don't have to keep thinking about it all the time. It becomes something outside of you, a shield between you and whatever you think about it."
	4:12pm khd: as a critique of Robert Ashley, "impassively conveyed" makes me laugh
	4:13pm northguineahills: Thanks Devin, it's been awhile since I read that, I couldn't recount it,
	4:13pm βrian: The Seventh Seal (and her multicolored ball)
	4:15pm dale: i saw that bergman film on my local pbs station late at night back in the 70s, channel 17 in buffalo.
	4:15pm J: People know this but Last House On The Left was based on Virgin Spring, to give any indication to its brutality
	4:15pm pcnyc: "Art" that provokes and then disavows a predictable reaction? Go fuck yourself, @Dale.
	4:15pm Pink Military: If it was up your ass you would know.
	4:16pm Boy in Boston: Rock ON, pcnyc!
	4:17pm Carmichael: I'm glad this is a healthy discussion of art.
	4:17pm coelacanth∅: olá Fabio e falhas bonitas
	4:18pm glenn: who the fuck needs to buy a bible? steal one from a hotel, for christsake.
	4:19pm Boy in Boston: Oh, God.... don't get me started on the Bible....
	4:19pm coelacanth∅: ...and just plain failures
	4:20pm dale: if you don't like the music you hear on this show or a musician's process then turn the dial. problem solved.
	4:21pm joe mulligan: At first I thought the Ashley was a court stenographer transcription from a molestation/rape trial
	4:21pm Devin B.: @northguinea: Great book! I wish there was more writing on him.
	4:21pm coelacanth∅: haha glenn or just...why read a bible?
	4:21pm βrian: "There I was, sitting on a bench beside myself. Whatever that means."
	4:23pm Brendan: I went to a radio station and a hockey game broke out.
	4:23pm Saltonstall: Is the estate of James Last engaging in a payola scheme with WFMU DJs. I've heard that tune so much I can't get it out of me 'ead.
	4:24pm Boy in Boston: Shutup, dale, I'm trying to make myself uncomfortable for art. da dee dah deee dahhhh
	4:25pm βrian: @Saltonstall: Oh, you don't want to come around at 10 a.m. on Tuesdays, then.
	4:25pm Boy in Boston: ...and youre helping!!
	4:25pm glenn: having played many, many games of hockey in my yute, i can say that the chirping going on here pales in comparison.
	4:27pm Beastie Banter: fight for your right to party
	4:27pm Saltonstall: Last is first in my book. Only problem is I gotta work Tuesday morn.
	4:28pm pcnyc: I jumped into this because a woman's POV was important to the dialogue. And thanks for more mansplaining and a patronizing get-out-if-you-can't-handle-it comment, @dale. Let's see, how many women are present in this dialogue right now?
	4:29pm Saltonstall: I uncovered about 2 dozen James Last lps at a thrift in Victoria, BC back in the day. That man was a dapper dude.
	4:29pm northguineahills: @joe mulligan: me too, until I read an article that had Ashley's interview where he gave his intent as Devin recounted above. It makes it darker, as there you know there was a reason her friend committed suicide, and she might have told him of the encounter. I've had friends take their lives, I wish I was talented enough the sweep that pain a little further away.
	4:30pm J: The only thing that would have made that Ashley piece any worse is if people starting lining up in protest outside of the station
	4:31pm Boy in Boston: alas, I am a dude
	4:31pm northguineahills: err...talented enough to sweep...
	4:31pm dale: it's freeform radio pcnyc. fabio plays what HE wants to play. whether you like it or not is irrelevant.
	4:32pm Boy in Boston: we are all equally irrelevant
	4:32pm βrian: A friend mentioned to her husband that she felt really cranky, but didn't know why. He replied, "I'll tell you why you feel cranky: mansplaining."
	4:32pm BronwynB: i'm a woman and was present earlier at least
	4:33pm dale: i'm not "mansplainin'" anytthing. i didn't bring gender into it.
	4:34pm Mark Williams: @dale. I don't think to say that a person's point of view on these comment boards is irrelevant is, well, relevant. The music plays and we all get that. The discussion in here can exist simultaneously as well as independent of that.
	4:35pm Brendan: Hey Fab i really like this - thanks, man.
	4:36pm glenn: geez, i'm usually the guy pissing people off. go get 'em, dale.
	4:37pm Luke in PDX: You're blowin' my mind. Great stuff Fab!
	4:37pm Boy in Boston: ...a musican's process... that's heavy
	4:38pm dale: let's gather every copy of that ashley piece and burn them in the town square. that'll show everyone!! that piece was just as valid and deserving of an ear as anything played on this station or k rock or the latin station or npr. mark - true. i didn't get personal though by telling her to go fuck herself like she did with me. yet.
	👻 4:38pm chris: i just had lunch, although not as tasty as this electric sandwich... i see i've missed alot.
	4:39pm Boy in Boston: well, there ya have it!
	4:39pm Boy in Boston: This song is cool!
	4:41pm βrian: Turboprop drones. Nice.
	4:41pm northguineahills: oh, and per my earlier comment near the beginning of ths show. The Soft Pink Truth is a Matmos gay house side project (they got their start doing soundtracks for gay porn in grad school in cali)
	4:43pm Boy in Boston: Groovy
	4:44pm Mark Williams: that Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs is an absolute fave of mine. One side features Youngs' inimitable and wonderful voice, the other not. It's so good. I predict a reissue for that some day.
	4:45pm Lixiviated Life: Some failures are easier to face than others
	4:46pm Devin B.: @pcnyc: Totally agree w/r/t the fallacy of removing emotion from such a charged scenario. It creeps me the hell out too. For what it's worth, Ashley also says that vision for the piece was a failure. Hope it didn't feel like I was arguing with you. It's not often I'm able to contribute relevant knowledge on these boards - particularly on this show!
	4:50pm Mark Williams: @Devin B - it's interesting what you say Ashley said about it. Because a critique that I linked to earlier (scroll up) suggested that the Liddell's delivery (vocalist) started to stray into "performance," and whether or not he asked this of her or not is one of the things I'm not clear on. But in doing so, it went into very difficult and arguably shock-value territory. And these days, we're just not in need of that anymore (if we ever were).
	4:50pm pcnyc: Being more aware and sensitive of how others sense and interpret events is what #metoo is about. How about you all practice more care?
	4:51pm Prog Porn: Bring on the sax.
	4:53pm steveo: ...and violins
	4:53pm βrian: ... get it? Mansplaining?
	4:56pm melinda: hi people!
	4:58pm Rich in Washington: Did you hear about the mansplainer who died?
	4:58pm Boy in Boston: Devin B √ pcnyc √ Mark Williams √
	4:58pm Rich in Washington: They say he walked into an open manhole...
	4:58pm βrian: @Rich: Why, no!
	4:59pm Rich in Washington: ...but it was a well, actually.
	5:00pm glenn: huh. i thought metoo was about women not accepting harassment any more, but what do i know?
	5:00pm βrian: Ah, I see.
	5:01pm Jack: I don't get it! Can you explain?
	5:01pm βrian: @glen: Well, actually ...
	5:02pm Brendan: Careful of fusion - it can lead to smooth jazz
	5:03pm Rich in Washington: ugh. came back from a long meeting. was totally unaware of what was going on in the comment board.
	5:03pm Zetti: Hi Fabio ;)
	5:03pm joe mulligan: @NGH wow that is heavier context!
	5:03pm steveo: was the meeting about Robert Ashley?
	5:04pm glenn: see? you go away and all hell breaks loose.
	👻 5:04pm Rev. Turnip Druid: Who has carrot cake?
	5:05pm MUWFInMA: and careful of confusion it hides in all read words
	5:08pm rw: Fucking Valentines day. Did somebody say carrot cake?
	5:08pm melinda: @Rich that was funny
	👻 5:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Ooh...capital idea. I should bring carrot cake to the meet-up on Saturday.
	👻 5:10pm Ken From Hyde Park: Also, how do you make carrot cake?
	5:10pm TDK60: Sorry I'm late, failed to get here in time, was at a film.
	5:10pm northguineahills: I leave my house to go back to work after lunch, and Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs was playing, get back to work, Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs is playing.
	5:10pm khd: the failure of promptness
	5:11pm Dean: [Well, actually,] Being aware and sensitive of how others sense and interpret events is what many human enterprises are about: education, anti-discrimination struggles, literature and other arts... Not being on Twitter, I don't know how the #metoo discussion is progressing, though I read bits and pieces in the news, usually related to the (to my mind not surprising, but still shocking) stories of abuses by (relatively) powerful men of women with whom they work. If that's so, then #metoo is also about abuses of power, male entitlement, and patriarchy, pace Andrea Dworkin. Dworkin confronted the problems she saw head-on. Her book Pornography meticulously, graphically, and painfully analyzes common tropes of hatred and intimidation in porn. Like many of her works, it is unsettling. How would Dworkin have heard the Ashley piece? I don't know.
	5:11pm northguineahills: (And yes, I'm on EDT, I just eat late)
	5:12pm Devin B.: @Mark W: Missed that link earlier! I think the critique is pretty on point although I think the author’s tone is unnecessarily combative.
	5:13pm TDK60: Guess I missed some controversy, will have to go back and read but can't right away.
	👻 5:17pm Rev. Turnip Druid: Carrot Cake is the great peacemaker. #revsplaining
	5:25pm northguineahills: I can take some revsplaining...
	5:26pm TDK60: The film? "In The Intense Now." Okay I suppose. Just for the record, I am pro-feminist.
	5:28pm northguineahills: Sounds like Jim O'Rourke's "Happy Days".
	5:29pm northguineahills: Verdun, new to me and makes my eye holes spangle-dancey! same w/ Seht!
	5:31pm northguineahills: Moar info on Seht, Proszę!
	5:32pm nic: love this show +++
	5:32pm pcnyc: I am satisfied in having raised my concern of "art" that reconstructs violent and tragic scenarios. Proceed at your own level of understanding and interest. Happy to dialogue more with those individuals who have a genuine interest. There is no "silly" "bickering", Fabio. I've art to go see. Peace out.
	5:34pm glenn: all righty then.
	5:35pm northguineahills: it's all good pcnyc, a good conversation is always needed in discussing these issues. It's better then going w/ one's pre-determined feelings and gut instinct.
	5:36pm northguineahills: (dialogue is always important)
	5:37pm CarrotHead: more Faust&Porn soundtracks.less political correctness?
	5:39pm TDK60: "Political correctness?" Maybe you really mean sexism is okay?
	5:43pm dale: wow - the sh*t is being flung in EVERY direction. glad gig talk is coming up cuz i gotta tune out.
	👻 5:44pm Rev. Turnip Druid: That ol'Bob Ashley; quite the uniter of the people, no?
	5:45pm queems: when people complain about political correctness all i hear is "i'm mad that i can't be a total piece of shit and get away with it"
	5:47pm dale: a comment board for the ages fabio.
	5:48pm Philthy woman: Good show Fabio. Diggin a lot of this stuff. Especially current drone. I thought that Ashley piece was intense and it made me wonder what the process of making it was. As someone who has been raped I did not assume however that it was necessarily intentionally harmful or sexist just because the piece came from a man and involved explicit violent content. We don't know how or why people make art and just because it is hard to stomach doesn't mean intentions are neccisarily bad or that they are intending to use violence in a salacious way. I really wonder though and will have to research the making of that one...
	👻 5:48pm chris: i'm one of those who believes in freedom of expression and in the US, the first amendment applies. i'm thoroughly disgusted with recent decisions with institutions in Berkeley, for instance, to stifle expression and therefore stifle open dialogue, which is also under increasing attack. we might say there's a dark side to "politicial correctness" if it stifles dialogue. art is a very useful tool, in my opinion, for fostering dialogue. yes, someone who is picking on someone or stereotyping someone or being bigoted is an asshole. should we not be able to dialogue with them? at the very least, can we not use that opportunity to understand why they think what they think? it may help reach common ground, though not always easy.
	5:49pm TDK60: Sorry Dale, I'm not an ostrich.
	5:49pm fake george W: 'I'm a uniter not divider'
	👻 5:51pm Rev. Turnip Druid: Better to strive to be a unider, i reckon.
	5:51pm Dean: Erwin Chemerinsky & Howard Gillman, Free Speech on Campus https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300226560/free-speech-campus
	5:52pm Brendan: Thanks Fabio?
	👻 5:52pm chris: oooo, thanks, Dean!
	5:53pm TDK60: "Free speech" on campus, while they quietly fire the leftist profs.
	5:54pm northguineahills: Well, it looks like I clicky starred this already! I need some more Catherine Christer Hennix (i have none, I need to remedy that!) true, queems...
	👻 5:54pm chris: thanks, Fabio! always outstanding tunes. and great comments board!
	5:55pm dale: no one was being sexist on the board that i could see TDK. however my opinion as to what art might encompass got me told to go fuck myself - rude, insulting and disparaging. she inserted the gender bias into the conversation.
	5:55pm coelacanth∅: exactly what chris said. - and,"political correctness" is not always correct and reduced freedom to "protect" others from feeling or dealing with the harshness that is the reality of this world is just another step toward total control by a government that will be oppressive and otherwise malevolent far beyond most people's imaginations.
	5:55pm northguineahills: Fabio has been carrying this around..., yeah, for like 5 years (you played this in 2013!) Thank you Fabio!
	5:56pm northguineahills: I didn't understand that comment directed at you either, dale.
	5:56pm coelacanth∅: (i say this though i did not hear that robert ashley piece, and wont go out of my way to listen to it)
	5:57pm Fabio: @ Philthy woman: Thanks for your thoughtful and measured comment on this. It's my understanding that Ashley interview a number of women for their views on sexual encounters of varying degrees. He wanted to present the woman's point of view in a way that was't emotionally weighted. It is a tough piece amnd I have aired it many times, but I also think it is quite beautiful and powerful and gives the woman a voice that she might not have had otherwise. I don't normally "defend" anything I play on the air but your comment I thought warranted my input. Someone else pointed out that Ashley himself thought this was not a successful piece. I'm am uncertain as to where this comes from but I will have to do some digging myself on that... thanks again...
	5:58pm Michael 98145: thanks again, Fabio. for thought-provoking radio.
	5:58pm coelacanth∅: ...and Philthy, i'm sorry to hear you went through that.
	5:58pm duke: Great show
	5:58pm nic: beautiful !!!
	5:59pm dale: i just came for some atonal droning. didn't want a black eye.
	5:59pm BronwynB: @coel: with all due respect (for real- i always enjoy your contributions) i think political correctness at this point in time is not a step towards control by a malevolent government, at least in the us, because the malevolent government currently in power is actually headed by people who like to bray about their opposition to political correctness. so a PC-related government takeover is probably the least of our worries right now
	👻 5:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: This was quite the emotional support hamster kind of a show today. Thankfully, without the flushing.
	5:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Fabio
	6:00pm Dean: I like the Ashley. I understand how it might shock, even repulse, others. I don't understand how "willing suspension of disbelief" works for horror movies or Wagner, but not for Ashley, when it comes to "reconstruct[ion of] violent and tragic scenarios." But I can empathize with anybody who finds something so "creepy" that it crosses a line for them. I do not agree that by virtue of crossing that line, art becomes "art" in scare quotes.
	6:01pm coelacanth∅: Bronwyn, you are correct. i mean that in an indirect route....but this is a lot to get into.
	6:05pm Devin B.: Great show as always, Fabio. I think you were referring to my comment earlier that Ashley thought he had been unsuccessful at capturing the scene absent of emotion. I’m taking this from a quick re-read of what Kyle Gann’s book says on the origin of the piece. Your recollection of Ashley’s method and purpose is pretty much the same as what Gann says.
	6:06pm Devin B.: Gann book: https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/67qrm8wc9780252035494.html
	12:21am pcnyc: This remark of yours, @dale, is what provoked my ire: "don't over analyze it - it's a piece of theater." I am entitled to stand in my own truth..and you've no business discounting how i respond to a description of sexual violence. I would have messaged you directly about this, but didn't want to hear you have an issue with that, either, somewhere down the line. This piece is offensive and needs to be rethought as being fully acceptable for broadcast, in the same way other exploitative work is. These are changing times and I, for one, will -- in no uncertain terms -- speak out against such insensitivity.
	10:33am Joel St. Germain: Fabio is a king!!

Strength Through Failure with Fabio: Playlist from February 8, 2018

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The Failure of Noise
The Failure of Sound
The Failure of Rock
The Failure of the Avant Garde
The Failure of the Space Age
The Failure of Jazz
The Failure of Psychedelia
The Failure of Krautrock
The Failure of Electronic
The Failure of Pop
The Failure of Free-form
The Failure of the 20th Century

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February 8, 2018

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Format	Comments	Approx. start time
James Last	Mr. Giant Man "Mr. Giant Man" by "James Last"	Voodoo Party	polydor			0:00:00 (Pop-up)
James White & The Blacks	Stained Sheets	Off White	ZE Records		with Stella Rico on Vocals	0:15:18 (Pop-up)
Tony Iglio	Jungla "Jungla" by "Tony Iglio"	Drugstore	Cinedelic			0:15:57 (Pop-up)
Ensemble Economique	Shacks Built From Plyboard	Psychical	Not Not Fun			0:16:40 (Pop-up)
Heroin in Tahiti	Blood Before Dawn	black vacation/no highway split 12"	No Fire		Split with Ensemble Economique	0:18:36 (Pop-up)
Pierre Raph	Crotch Batterie "Crotch Batterie" by "Pierre Raph"	Requiem for a Vampire	Finders Keepers			0:23:08 (Pop-up)
Gintas K	episode 4 "episode 4" by "Gintas K"	Acousma Light	GK			0:24:21 (Pop-up)
Robert Ashley	Purposeful Lady Slow Afternoon	Automatic Writing	Lovely Music			0:28:03 (Pop-up)

Crescent	Unit System "Unit System" by "Crescent"	Crescent	Atavistic			0:46:18 (Pop-up)
Nicolas Bernier	Frequencies (a / fragments) (excerpt)	Frequencies (a / fragments)	Line			1:01:15 (Pop-up)

Mogadishow	MAntra I "MAntra I" by "Mogadishow"	Voyage: Facing The History of French Modern Psychedelic Music	Kemado			1:25:35 (Pop-up)
Alpha Beta	Astral Abuse "Astral Abuse" by "Alpha Beta"		BYG	7"		1:27:41 (Pop-up)
Electric Sandwich	China "China" by "Electric Sandwich"	Electric Sandwich	Brain			1:34:49 (Pop-up)
Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs	Samain "Samain" by "Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs"	Belsayer Time	Time-Lag			1:40:38 (Pop-up)
Decibel	El Fin de los dodos "El Fin de los dodos" by "Decibel"	Fiat Lux	Mio Records			1:45:11 (Pop-up)
Ennio Morricone	Passaggio terzo "Passaggio terzo" by "Ennio Morricone"	Macchie Solari	Digitmovies			1:49:27 (Pop-up)
Ennio Morricone	Preannuncio - Multipla II Pezzo	Macchie Solari	Digitmovies			1:49:46 (Pop-up)

Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs	Coral "Coral" by "Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs"	Belsayer Time	Time-Lag			2:03:25 (Pop-up)
Insiememusicadiversa	Momento "Momento" by "Insiememusicadiversa"	Insiememusicadiversa	PATEAN Records			2:13:43 (Pop-up)
Verdun	Saudades do Verdun (excerpt)	Two Archipelagos	Eyland			2:20:39 (Pop-up)
Seht	Requiem For John Fahey "Requiem For John Fahey" by "Seht"	The Voice Of The Taniwha	Last Visible Dog			2:28:31 (Pop-up)
Seht	Homage to Abbas Kiarostami's "The Runner"	The Voice Of The Taniwha	Last Visible Dog			2:36:02 (Pop-up)

Catherine Christer Hennix	The Electric Harpsichord	The Electric Harpsichord	Die Schachtel			2:50:24 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	3:04pm chocolate monk: gurps!
	3:04pm Cecile: Oh, I think I know this one.
	👻 3:04pm Rev. Turnip Druid: peace be witchaw.
	3:05pm glenn: who is this and what do you want?
	3:05pm Cheri Pi: this rings a bell too
	3:05pm Michael 98145: haven't heard this for awhile :)
	3:06pm nic: still love this !!!
	👻 3:06pm Ken From Hyde Park: Party time in Giant Land!
	3:07pm James Black: I need a Black-eye!
	3:09pm saintMichael: omg what is this?
	3:09pm sphere: hello folks
	3:09pm Cecile: match.com really works!
	3:09pm sphere: James Chance and Lydia Lunch, right?
	3:09pm βrian: Fibrillating epiglottis!
	3:11pm βrian: It would make sense that James Chance follows James Last.
	3:12pm Michael 98145: Masculine Inadequacies Drive Women Nuts - blogfiles.wfmu.org...
	3:17pm common: good Thursday!
	3:20pm BronwynB: hey fabio and everyone!
	👻 3:21pm Rev. Turnip Druid: vigorously approving.
	3:23pm northguineahills: subtle title....
	3:23pm J Gilly: Sexy show today ha
	3:24pm khd: could someone give that lady a hand with her groceries?
	3:26pm Nellie: Haha
	3:26pm Orgasmatron 3000: 'did ya git any on ya?'
	3:27pm Boy in Boston: play some music with guys getting fucked please
	3:28pm northguineahills: Bob Ashley!
	3:28pm nic: love this !!!
	3:29pm Ike: @khd, I think someone was already giving that lady a hand! (Sorry, couldn't resist.) Has Fabio ever done a premium called Fabio's Pervy Moaning-Lady Extravaganza?!
	3:29pm Michael 98145: dental hygiene
	3:30pm ?: First post ever, been listening for years. Glad to post listening to this perved out stuff Fab. i'm a little uncomfortable now
	3:31pm BronwynB: i agree with our boy in boston
	3:31pm Dean: Mary Wing is seeking suggestions of songs in which the lyrics include the spelling of a word, e.g., G-L-O-R-I-A. It occurred to me that Robert Ashley's lyrics must include an instance or two of this phenomenon, but I can't think of one.
	3:31pm Dean: Songs with guys getting fucked? You mean like "I Fought the Law"?
	3:31pm rw: Gross!
	3:32pm BronwynB: @dean: no, like whole lotta love
	3:32pm Bill Main: I heard this track years ago and have been trying to remember the composer (Robert Ashley) ever since! Thanks for playing.
	3:34pm bill: yikes, where's FUV?
	3:34pm northguineahills: The Soft Pink Truth do some samples of guys getting fucked.
	3:34pm J: Ok this is a bit much
	3:34pm -Ken: My college station WCBN got into big trouble for airing this Ashley piece back in 1980 or so.
	3:34pm khd: intense...
	3:34pm dale: was this on a carnival cruise?
	3:35pm northguineahills: If think this is intense, read the backstory of this recording... (of the monologue).
	3:35pm khd: @ken - SOUND THE GOAT ALARM
	3:35pm pnuthead: hot stuff. 2nd post (forgot my name before). trigger warning fab, omg need a xanax.
	3:35pm Boy in Boston: is this just more male bullshit couched as avant garde..... ??
	3:36pm Mark Williams: a critique, which I found just now. I've not formed my own opinion yet, so this is purely fyi: https://www.waggish.org/2003/purposeful-lady-slow-afternoon-robert-ashley/
	3:36pm J: Airhorn
	3:36pm Debt Collector: description of rape
	3:36pm Dean: Stooges, "Loose"? Or am I not adequately respecting the passive construction of "getting fucked"?
	3:37pm Boy in Boston: i do love that iggy song!
	3:37pm Michael 98145: (feat. Cynthia Liddell)
	3:37pm Brown eye winking: listen to more Butthole Surfers.
	3:37pm J: Yeah this is pretty fucking rapey Fab
	3:38pm rsj: Fabio must have disabled Ken's alarm before his show
	3:38pm northguineahills: @Boy in Boston: if it was anyone else but Robert Ashley, I'd agree w/ you.
	3:38pm J: @BostonBoy YUUUUUUP
	3:39pm Boy in Boston: context is everything
	3:40pm Dean: All of Ashley takes some work. We'll be extracting meaning from those operas and other pieces for a long time.
	3:40pm nic: i've always loved it !!!
	3:41pm rsj: the ashley opera about the extra man, and the genesis of catsup, is awesome
	3:41pm P: I saw Robert Ashley at a performance of one of his works at Roulette in late 2013. Most of it was in Romansh. He sat in the front row and took time to talk to everyone in crowd. He was in good spirits despite his health.
	3:42pm Lixiviated Life: JC & the contortions no doubt
	3:43pm Dean: During law school I had hoped to have occasional evenings of comparative listening to, e.g., various recordings of classical works. Ex.: an evening listening to Schubert's final piano sonata. Managed to have only one such evening, and it wasn't comparative. We listened to Ashley's "Improvement."
	3:45pm joe mulligan: wow Ashely was in 1968! still timely. made me think of that NYT article going around about how porn is affecting teens these days
	3:46pm dale: yes, that was pre-big sausage pizza.
	3:46pm Devin B.: Ashley re-used some lines from the "Purposeful Lady" monologue in a later opera - El Aficionado, maybe?
	3:47pm pcnyc: Ok, agree with @Boy in Boston and @J that the Ashley monolgoue was uncomfortable, triggering and exploitative. Not "beautiful" as you suggested, Fabio.
	3:47pm Mark Williams: I just played my copy of this Crescent 10" the other day. Crackly for some reason. It always disturbs me. Not an easy throw down, especially when the keyboards come in.
	👻 3:48pm Ken From Hyde Park: The good part is we didn't have to sit through a bunch of loud, pointless commercials before the show started. Not like they do in the movie theaters.
	3:49pm J: No matter how anyone felt about it, that's the beauty of free form radio. I almost tuned out though. Lame piece
	3:49pm βrian: Apropos of nothing I wonder how often Ruth Bader Ginsburg is triggered.
	3:49pm Mark Williams: the Jones brothers who were in Movietone were in Crescent, btw.
	3:50pm Chris from DC: Yay, Crescent. Good to hear this.
	3:51pm sexism: get over it/like music anything interesting is a mixture of greatness.
	3:52pm pcnyc: It's just as creepy as that Dr. Bootygrabber gross-out that @-Ken likes to revisit.
	3:54pm Boy in Boston: ...a mixture of greatness and....... what?
	3:55pm ⓔⓘⓚ: It is creepy but at least it focuses more on the woman's perception of the act rather than the man's POV...? Though the woman seems impassive and blanked-out like a pr0n lady, so I don't like that. Very confusing....
	3:57pm βrian: Yes, it's that almost out-of-body recollection that gives it such an unsettling tinge.
	3:58pm -Ken: Ashley wrote the words for that piece, so it's a man imagining rape from a woman's perspective. I've been hearing that piece for decades and it always gets a huge reaction from people.
	3:58pm Love is how you make it: Do not take this personal/everything is not about your sexual preference.
	3:58pm nic: this is great !!!
	3:58pm Devin B.: According to Kyle Gann's book on him, Ashley based the text on interviews with female friends about their real experiences with men. The idea was to present the facts of what happened without emotion.
	3:59pm northguineahills: Man, loving this Crescent, how have I not heard it!
	3:59pm dale: my take is if art doesn't make you squirm a little it isn't working.
	4:00pm Dean: By that criterion, @dale, The Police produce art, and I just won't stand for that.
	4:00pm βrian: Baby Animal makes me squirm a bit.
	4:01pm Boy in Boston: wait, is there something about love happening here? sexual preference? did I miss something?
	4:01pm Dean: Or perhaps you intended squirming as a necessary, but not sufficient, criterion.
	4:02pm ⓔⓘⓚ: @Dean, you don't like "Message in a Bottle" and "De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da"?!?
	4:03pm Dean: @ⓔⓘⓚ, not in public, no.
	4:03pm rw: I hadn't known that work but have been generally a fan of Ashley. The fact that he wrote the monologue himself as Ken points out seems a little disingenuous and makes me question that particular work.
	4:04pm Boy in Boston: i like When The World Keeps Running Down ...
	4:05pm Chris from DC: Going to track down the full Bernier piece. Really like this.
	4:05pm pcnyc: Impassively conveyed, like she's recounting to her therapist or something, and we're eavesdropping on a highly-sensitive and personal dialogue of confidences. For what purpose? And how can there be a bodily violation of another person accurately conveyed without emotion?
	4:06pm dale: don't over analyze it - it's a piece of theater.
	4:09pm Dean: My memory could be playing games, but Ashley's conceit reminds me of some of Peter Handke's work, its clinical accounts of crises and deep anxiety. Handke famously wrote a play, "Offending the Audience," aimed at doing just that.
	4:10pm Devin B.: Purposeful Lady grew out of a larger piece called "That Morning Thing," inspired by three friends of Ashley's, three women who didn't know each other and who each committed suicide. He says it "was an attempt to come to grips with that, to get rid of it, so you don't have to keep thinking about it all the time. It becomes something outside of you, a shield between you and whatever you think about it."
	4:12pm khd: as a critique of Robert Ashley, "impassively conveyed" makes me laugh
	4:13pm northguineahills: Thanks Devin, it's been awhile since I read that, I couldn't recount it,
	4:13pm βrian: The Seventh Seal (and her multicolored ball)
	4:15pm dale: i saw that bergman film on my local pbs station late at night back in the 70s, channel 17 in buffalo.
	4:15pm J: People know this but Last House On The Left was based on Virgin Spring, to give any indication to its brutality
	4:15pm pcnyc: "Art" that provokes and then disavows a predictable reaction? Go fuck yourself, @Dale.
	4:15pm Pink Military: If it was up your ass you would know.
	4:16pm Boy in Boston: Rock ON, pcnyc!
	4:17pm Carmichael: I'm glad this is a healthy discussion of art.
	4:17pm coelacanth∅: olá Fabio e falhas bonitas
	4:18pm glenn: who the fuck needs to buy a bible? steal one from a hotel, for christsake.
	4:19pm Boy in Boston: Oh, God.... don't get me started on the Bible....
	4:19pm coelacanth∅: ...and just plain failures
	4:20pm dale: if you don't like the music you hear on this show or a musician's process then turn the dial. problem solved.
	4:21pm joe mulligan: At first I thought the Ashley was a court stenographer transcription from a molestation/rape trial
	4:21pm Devin B.: @northguinea: Great book! I wish there was more writing on him.
	4:21pm coelacanth∅: haha glenn or just...why read a bible?
	4:21pm βrian: "There I was, sitting on a bench beside myself. Whatever that means."
	4:23pm Brendan: I went to a radio station and a hockey game broke out.
	4:23pm Saltonstall: Is the estate of James Last engaging in a payola scheme with WFMU DJs. I've heard that tune so much I can't get it out of me 'ead.
	4:24pm Boy in Boston: Shutup, dale, I'm trying to make myself uncomfortable for art. da dee dah deee dahhhh
	4:25pm βrian: @Saltonstall: Oh, you don't want to come around at 10 a.m. on Tuesdays, then.
	4:25pm Boy in Boston: ...and youre helping!!
	4:25pm glenn: having played many, many games of hockey in my yute, i can say that the chirping going on here pales in comparison.
	4:27pm Beastie Banter: fight for your right to party
	4:27pm Saltonstall: Last is first in my book. Only problem is I gotta work Tuesday morn.
	4:28pm pcnyc: I jumped into this because a woman's POV was important to the dialogue. And thanks for more mansplaining and a patronizing get-out-if-you-can't-handle-it comment, @dale. Let's see, how many women are present in this dialogue right now?
	4:29pm Saltonstall: I uncovered about 2 dozen James Last lps at a thrift in Victoria, BC back in the day. That man was a dapper dude.
	4:29pm northguineahills: @joe mulligan: me too, until I read an article that had Ashley's interview where he gave his intent as Devin recounted above. It makes it darker, as there you know there was a reason her friend committed suicide, and she might have told him of the encounter. I've had friends take their lives, I wish I was talented enough the sweep that pain a little further away.
	4:30pm J: The only thing that would have made that Ashley piece any worse is if people starting lining up in protest outside of the station
	4:31pm Boy in Boston: alas, I am a dude
	4:31pm northguineahills: err...talented enough to sweep...
	4:31pm dale: it's freeform radio pcnyc. fabio plays what HE wants to play. whether you like it or not is irrelevant.
	4:32pm Boy in Boston: we are all equally irrelevant
	4:32pm βrian: A friend mentioned to her husband that she felt really cranky, but didn't know why. He replied, "I'll tell you why you feel cranky: mansplaining."
	4:32pm BronwynB: i'm a woman and was present earlier at least
	4:33pm dale: i'm not "mansplainin'" anytthing. i didn't bring gender into it.
	4:34pm Mark Williams: @dale. I don't think to say that a person's point of view on these comment boards is irrelevant is, well, relevant. The music plays and we all get that. The discussion in here can exist simultaneously as well as independent of that.
	4:35pm Brendan: Hey Fab i really like this - thanks, man.
	4:36pm glenn: geez, i'm usually the guy pissing people off. go get 'em, dale.
	4:37pm Luke in PDX: You're blowin' my mind. Great stuff Fab!
	4:37pm Boy in Boston: ...a musican's process... that's heavy
	4:38pm dale: let's gather every copy of that ashley piece and burn them in the town square. that'll show everyone!! that piece was just as valid and deserving of an ear as anything played on this station or k rock or the latin station or npr. mark - true. i didn't get personal though by telling her to go fuck herself like she did with me. yet.
	👻 4:38pm chris: i just had lunch, although not as tasty as this electric sandwich... i see i've missed alot.
	4:39pm Boy in Boston: well, there ya have it!
	4:39pm Boy in Boston: This song is cool!
	4:41pm βrian: Turboprop drones. Nice.
	4:41pm northguineahills: oh, and per my earlier comment near the beginning of ths show. The Soft Pink Truth is a Matmos gay house side project (they got their start doing soundtracks for gay porn in grad school in cali)
	4:43pm Boy in Boston: Groovy
	4:44pm Mark Williams: that Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs is an absolute fave of mine. One side features Youngs' inimitable and wonderful voice, the other not. It's so good. I predict a reissue for that some day.
	4:45pm Lixiviated Life: Some failures are easier to face than others
	4:46pm Devin B.: @pcnyc: Totally agree w/r/t the fallacy of removing emotion from such a charged scenario. It creeps me the hell out too. For what it's worth, Ashley also says that vision for the piece was a failure. Hope it didn't feel like I was arguing with you. It's not often I'm able to contribute relevant knowledge on these boards - particularly on this show!
	4:50pm Mark Williams: @Devin B - it's interesting what you say Ashley said about it. Because a critique that I linked to earlier (scroll up) suggested that the Liddell's delivery (vocalist) started to stray into "performance," and whether or not he asked this of her or not is one of the things I'm not clear on. But in doing so, it went into very difficult and arguably shock-value territory. And these days, we're just not in need of that anymore (if we ever were).
	4:50pm pcnyc: Being more aware and sensitive of how others sense and interpret events is what #metoo is about. How about you all practice more care?
	4:51pm Prog Porn: Bring on the sax.
	4:53pm steveo: ...and violins
	4:53pm βrian: ... get it? Mansplaining?
	4:56pm melinda: hi people!
	4:58pm Rich in Washington: Did you hear about the mansplainer who died?
	4:58pm Boy in Boston: Devin B √ pcnyc √ Mark Williams √
	4:58pm Rich in Washington: They say he walked into an open manhole...
	4:58pm βrian: @Rich: Why, no!
	4:59pm Rich in Washington: ...but it was a well, actually.
	5:00pm glenn: huh. i thought metoo was about women not accepting harassment any more, but what do i know?
	5:00pm βrian: Ah, I see.
	5:01pm Jack: I don't get it! Can you explain?
	5:01pm βrian: @glen: Well, actually ...
	5:02pm Brendan: Careful of fusion - it can lead to smooth jazz
	5:03pm Rich in Washington: ugh. came back from a long meeting. was totally unaware of what was going on in the comment board.
	5:03pm Zetti: Hi Fabio ;)
	5:03pm joe mulligan: @NGH wow that is heavier context!
	5:03pm steveo: was the meeting about Robert Ashley?
	5:04pm glenn: see? you go away and all hell breaks loose.
	👻 5:04pm Rev. Turnip Druid: Who has carrot cake?
	5:05pm MUWFInMA: and careful of confusion it hides in all read words
	5:08pm rw: Fucking Valentines day. Did somebody say carrot cake?
	5:08pm melinda: @Rich that was funny
	👻 5:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Ooh...capital idea. I should bring carrot cake to the meet-up on Saturday.
	👻 5:10pm Ken From Hyde Park: Also, how do you make carrot cake?
	5:10pm TDK60: Sorry I'm late, failed to get here in time, was at a film.
	5:10pm northguineahills: I leave my house to go back to work after lunch, and Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs was playing, get back to work, Galbraith/Nielson/Youngs is playing.
	5:10pm khd: the failure of promptness
	5:11pm Dean: [Well, actually,] Being aware and sensitive of how others sense and interpret events is what many human enterprises are about: education, anti-discrimination struggles, literature and other arts... Not being on Twitter, I don't know how the #metoo discussion is progressing, though I read bits and pieces in the news, usually related to the (to my mind not surprising, but still shocking) stories of abuses by (relatively) powerful men of women with whom they work. If that's so, then #metoo is also about abuses of power, male entitlement, and patriarchy, pace Andrea Dworkin. Dworkin confronted the problems she saw head-on. Her book Pornography meticulously, graphically, and painfully analyzes common tropes of hatred and intimidation in porn. Like many of her works, it is unsettling. How would Dworkin have heard the Ashley piece? I don't know.
	5:11pm northguineahills: (And yes, I'm on EDT, I just eat late)
	5:12pm Devin B.: @Mark W: Missed that link earlier! I think the critique is pretty on point although I think the author’s tone is unnecessarily combative.
	5:13pm TDK60: Guess I missed some controversy, will have to go back and read but can't right away.
	👻 5:17pm Rev. Turnip Druid: Carrot Cake is the great peacemaker. #revsplaining
	5:25pm northguineahills: I can take some revsplaining...
	5:26pm TDK60: The film? "In The Intense Now." Okay I suppose. Just for the record, I am pro-feminist.
	5:28pm northguineahills: Sounds like Jim O'Rourke's "Happy Days".
	5:29pm northguineahills: Verdun, new to me and makes my eye holes spangle-dancey! same w/ Seht!
	5:31pm northguineahills: Moar info on Seht, Proszę!
	5:32pm nic: love this show +++
	5:32pm pcnyc: I am satisfied in having raised my concern of "art" that reconstructs violent and tragic scenarios. Proceed at your own level of understanding and interest. Happy to dialogue more with those individuals who have a genuine interest. There is no "silly" "bickering", Fabio. I've art to go see. Peace out.
	5:34pm glenn: all righty then.
	5:35pm northguineahills: it's all good pcnyc, a good conversation is always needed in discussing these issues. It's better then going w/ one's pre-determined feelings and gut instinct.
	5:36pm northguineahills: (dialogue is always important)
	5:37pm CarrotHead: more Faust&Porn soundtracks.less political correctness?
	5:39pm TDK60: "Political correctness?" Maybe you really mean sexism is okay?
	5:43pm dale: wow - the sh*t is being flung in EVERY direction. glad gig talk is coming up cuz i gotta tune out.
	👻 5:44pm Rev. Turnip Druid: That ol'Bob Ashley; quite the uniter of the people, no?
	5:45pm queems: when people complain about political correctness all i hear is "i'm mad that i can't be a total piece of shit and get away with it"
	5:47pm dale: a comment board for the ages fabio.
	5:48pm Philthy woman: Good show Fabio. Diggin a lot of this stuff. Especially current drone. I thought that Ashley piece was intense and it made me wonder what the process of making it was. As someone who has been raped I did not assume however that it was necessarily intentionally harmful or sexist just because the piece came from a man and involved explicit violent content. We don't know how or why people make art and just because it is hard to stomach doesn't mean intentions are neccisarily bad or that they are intending to use violence in a salacious way. I really wonder though and will have to research the making of that one...
	👻 5:48pm chris: i'm one of those who believes in freedom of expression and in the US, the first amendment applies. i'm thoroughly disgusted with recent decisions with institutions in Berkeley, for instance, to stifle expression and therefore stifle open dialogue, which is also under increasing attack. we might say there's a dark side to "politicial correctness" if it stifles dialogue. art is a very useful tool, in my opinion, for fostering dialogue. yes, someone who is picking on someone or stereotyping someone or being bigoted is an asshole. should we not be able to dialogue with them? at the very least, can we not use that opportunity to understand why they think what they think? it may help reach common ground, though not always easy.
	5:49pm TDK60: Sorry Dale, I'm not an ostrich.
	5:49pm fake george W: 'I'm a uniter not divider'
	👻 5:51pm Rev. Turnip Druid: Better to strive to be a unider, i reckon.
	5:51pm Dean: Erwin Chemerinsky & Howard Gillman, Free Speech on Campus https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300226560/free-speech-campus
	5:52pm Brendan: Thanks Fabio?
	👻 5:52pm chris: oooo, thanks, Dean!
	5:53pm TDK60: "Free speech" on campus, while they quietly fire the leftist profs.
	5:54pm northguineahills: Well, it looks like I clicky starred this already! I need some more Catherine Christer Hennix (i have none, I need to remedy that!) true, queems...
	👻 5:54pm chris: thanks, Fabio! always outstanding tunes. and great comments board!
	5:55pm dale: no one was being sexist on the board that i could see TDK. however my opinion as to what art might encompass got me told to go fuck myself - rude, insulting and disparaging. she inserted the gender bias into the conversation.
	5:55pm coelacanth∅: exactly what chris said. - and,"political correctness" is not always correct and reduced freedom to "protect" others from feeling or dealing with the harshness that is the reality of this world is just another step toward total control by a government that will be oppressive and otherwise malevolent far beyond most people's imaginations.
	5:55pm northguineahills: Fabio has been carrying this around..., yeah, for like 5 years (you played this in 2013!) Thank you Fabio!
	5:56pm northguineahills: I didn't understand that comment directed at you either, dale.
	5:56pm coelacanth∅: (i say this though i did not hear that robert ashley piece, and wont go out of my way to listen to it)
	5:57pm Fabio: @ Philthy woman: Thanks for your thoughtful and measured comment on this. It's my understanding that Ashley interview a number of women for their views on sexual encounters of varying degrees. He wanted to present the woman's point of view in a way that was't emotionally weighted. It is a tough piece amnd I have aired it many times, but I also think it is quite beautiful and powerful and gives the woman a voice that she might not have had otherwise. I don't normally "defend" anything I play on the air but your comment I thought warranted my input. Someone else pointed out that Ashley himself thought this was not a successful piece. I'm am uncertain as to where this comes from but I will have to do some digging myself on that... thanks again...
	5:58pm Michael 98145: thanks again, Fabio. for thought-provoking radio.
	5:58pm coelacanth∅: ...and Philthy, i'm sorry to hear you went through that.
	5:58pm duke: Great show
	5:58pm nic: beautiful !!!
	5:59pm dale: i just came for some atonal droning. didn't want a black eye.
	5:59pm BronwynB: @coel: with all due respect (for real- i always enjoy your contributions) i think political correctness at this point in time is not a step towards control by a malevolent government, at least in the us, because the malevolent government currently in power is actually headed by people who like to bray about their opposition to political correctness. so a PC-related government takeover is probably the least of our worries right now
	👻 5:59pm Ken From Hyde Park: This was quite the emotional support hamster kind of a show today. Thankfully, without the flushing.
	5:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Fabio
	6:00pm Dean: I like the Ashley. I understand how it might shock, even repulse, others. I don't understand how "willing suspension of disbelief" works for horror movies or Wagner, but not for Ashley, when it comes to "reconstruct[ion of] violent and tragic scenarios." But I can empathize with anybody who finds something so "creepy" that it crosses a line for them. I do not agree that by virtue of crossing that line, art becomes "art" in scare quotes.
	6:01pm coelacanth∅: Bronwyn, you are correct. i mean that in an indirect route....but this is a lot to get into.
	6:05pm Devin B.: Great show as always, Fabio. I think you were referring to my comment earlier that Ashley thought he had been unsuccessful at capturing the scene absent of emotion. I’m taking this from a quick re-read of what Kyle Gann’s book says on the origin of the piece. Your recollection of Ashley’s method and purpose is pretty much the same as what Gann says.
	6:06pm Devin B.: Gann book: https://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/67qrm8wc9780252035494.html
	12:21am pcnyc: This remark of yours, @dale, is what provoked my ire: "don't over analyze it - it's a piece of theater." I am entitled to stand in my own truth..and you've no business discounting how i respond to a description of sexual violence. I would have messaged you directly about this, but didn't want to hear you have an issue with that, either, somewhere down the line. This piece is offensive and needs to be rethought as being fully acceptable for broadcast, in the same way other exploitative work is. These are changing times and I, for one, will -- in no uncertain terms -- speak out against such insensitivity.
	10:33am Joel St. Germain: Fabio is a king!!

Strength Through Failure with Fabio: Playlist from February 8, 2018

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