WFMU: World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from September 15, 2013

Listener comments!
	9:05pm Dave Mandl: Evening, all.
	9:07pm Droll: Childrenof Bodom is a melodic death metal band, that was very out of step with the rest of their stuff.
	9:08pm davex: Hey Dave - very interesting start...
	9:08pm David L.B. is RRN63: Eddie - what have you done for me lately - ?!?!
	9:08pm Dave Mandl: Here there Droll, davex, DLBRRN63.
	9:10pm David L.B. is RRN63: THX1138 ! ...the shortest distance from PinkDots to EddieMurphy is - a RRN63 Comment...& it's still too long...
	9:10pm Dave Mandl: Droll: You never know with these death metal bands.
	9:14pm Dave Mandl: Should have been "Hey there," not "Here there," but that was probably obvious.
	9:14pm David L.B. is RRN63: ⚑ DAVES ☠ DAVES ⚑ DAVES ☠ DAVES ⚑
	9:15pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...Here There Be...Daves.
	9:17pm Dave Mandl: Always!
	9:18pm Jeezy: Sorry! Was late getting back from dinner in the city. COuld you please start the show from the top again, Dave. Thanks.
	9:19pm Dave Mandl: Jeezy: Sure thing. I kind of got off on the wrong foot anyway.
	9:19pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...I told my story I saw Eddie Harris shame a pick-up drummer by just clacking the keys of his sax...
	9:23pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...& then just a few years later - he was struggling but carrying on - & then soon deceased from illness.
	9:29pm Droll: "It's always [CDs shuffling] nice [CDs shuffling] to play music for you [CDs shuffling]." I come for the mic breaks. I think you've almost got the hang of it now.
	9:30pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...he's shamed pick-up drummers by just clacking CDs...
	9:31pm Dave Mandl: Droll: Thanks. Just another 10 years or so and I'll have it down.
	9:33pm duke: Hi Dave...the other Dave, Dave M.
	9:36pm Dave Mandl: Greetings, duke.
	9:37pm HollyT: Hi Dave!
	9:37pm Dave Mandl: Greetings, Holly.
	9:39pm Dave Mandl: BTW, Friendship Society friends: I have the details on my Jet FM (Nantes) rebroadcasts, as mentioned last week.
	9:40pm Dave Mandl: It's every Sunday 9 p.m. to midnight local time, so I guess 3 p.m. here on the east coast. Today was the first one, though I didn't hear it.
	9:40pm Dave Mandl: www.jetfm.asso.fr...
	9:41pm bloopy: sup dave.. good vibes
	9:41pm Richard from Venezuela: Hello Dave and all the listeners.
	9:41pm trish: There it is. Hey hey. http://www.jetfm.asso.fr/site/-World-Of-Echo-le-dimanche-a-21h-.html
	9:42pm Dave Mandl: Evening bloopy, Richard. How's it going?
	9:42pm Dave Mandl: Hey, trish.
	9:43pm Richard from Venezuela: Enjoying the new wfmu mobile app. Looks and works amazing.
	9:45pm Dave Mandl: Yeah, it's got some nice improvements. I use the app all the time.
	9:46pm trish: Hey Dave. A show for la grille. Excellente.
	9:47pm Dave Mandl: @trish: Merci bien.
	9:48pm davex: Is that a retransmission of the WFMU show? How did that come about?
	9:49pm trish: 'Trois heures de radio hors-pistes'
	9:50pm trish: Like skiing outside the lines.
	9:51pm HollyT: Hey Dave, that's a good pic of you!
	9:51pm HollyT: Big, yes. Impressive, I'm not so sure about. Maybe if they ever finished repairing it.
	9:52pm HollyT: (The pic on Jetfm.com)
	9:55pm Richard from Venezuela: Scrobbling the music is also good.
	9:58pm Dave Mandl: Holly: Why, thanks. It was the only photo I had.
	9:59pm Dave Mandl: @davex: Yeah, it's a week behind the FMU broadcasts, so today should have been a rebroadcast of last Sunday's show, and next week will be tonight's show.
	10:01pm Dave Mandl: The program director approached me and said he'd be interested in a rebroadcast of my show, and I said yes. Pretty simple. They've been running DJ/Rupture's show for a while, but since he's stopped doing it for now I guess they wanted an FMU replacement.
	10:03pm Droll: I had to look up "Scrobbling". What does one do with lists of what other people listen to?
	10:03pm Dave Mandl: @trish: Ha, yeah, I didn't see that. "Hors-pistes." That's exactly what it means.
	10:04pm AzulLunitta: Sounds...
	10:08pm Dave Mandl: @Droll: I know what scrobbling is, but I haven't done much of it so I'm far from an expert. Most people who listen to web stations can probably explain it better.
	10:09pm Dave Mandl: Last.FM is big on scrobbling.
	10:10pm jeanli: oh The Star. Could have listened to that track all night!
	10:12pm Dave Mandl: @jeanli: Yeah, agreed. But it was 8+ minutes, and I start to get antsy after that long.
	10:13pm Dave Mandl: And good evening, AzulLunitta.
	10:14pm davex: Dave M.: Sounds like a nice extension of the show. Glad to hear that there are innovative stations out there.
	10:20pm Dave Mandl: @davex: Thanks. It's nice that they're doing it.
	10:25pm Marmalade Kitty: I had my suspicions of scrobbling.. 1/wtf is "scrobbling" 2/are they stealing my music? 3/..wtf??
	10:29pm pacific standard simon: Working, then shopping, now cooking -- but here at last! Hi Dave.
	10:31pm Dave Mandl: Welcome MK, pss.
	10:32pm pacific standard simon: Dug this version of Crimso so much -- it's a shame Jamie Muir couldn't stay longer, too.
	10:33pm Marmalade Kitty: Hello Dave!
	10:37pm Marmalade Kitty: Scrobble: 1/ to waylay, kidnap or steal 2/a datum or the aggregate data collected by this means
	10:38pm Droll: There are some utterly blistering live bootlegs of '74 KC setting the bar with this song. Still, it's the Belew lineup that really bakes my noodle. DM, Aren't you afraid of an international culture war playing prog now that you're internationally syndicated?
	10:39pm Dave Mandl: Droll: Nah, I think they can handle it. I'm not sure I'd call this prog anyway. I don't know what it is.
	10:40pm Droll: [saucer eyed] King Crimson, 1974, Fracture... not... prog?!
	10:41pm Droll: Classy -- leaving lots of time for the listeners to applaud at the end like that.
	10:45pm Dave Mandl: It's a tricky label. I wouldn't put '74 King Crimson in exactly the same bucket as (say) Yes. But that's a much longer discussion, and I'd probably put people to sleep.
	10:47pm Droll: Oh no you wouldn't, they're already gone because you just played 11 minutes of it.
	10:48pm fleep: [checks] Nope. Not gone.
	10:48pm 12539: I'm still awake!
	10:50pm Dave Mandl: Thanks fleep, 12539. And my mother's probably still listening. She would never change the station.
	10:52pm trish: That was a stereo seque if ever I've heard one. And I've never heard one.
	10:56pm Dave Mandl: @trish: Yeah, that's, um, exactly the way I planned it.
	11:00pm j: Make the Kaiser WLS go away! it just did, thanks!
	11:06pm Dave Mandl: @j: It's gone. You're safe now.
	11:16pm 12539: Care o/the cow! I haven't heard this in decades!
	11:17pm Dave Mandl: Yeah, it's an oooold favorite around here. I haven't heard this in ages either.
	11:18pm Droll: There's got to be a word for when you hear something remarkable on WFMU so you Google it and all you can find are links back to WFMU.
	11:19pm fleep: Like an interview with Dave Mandl, yes.
	11:19pm pacific standard simon: I had to go away because the stew was burning. Prog is one of those things squirt away when you try to pin it down. But I know exactly where to fit King Crimson from '72-'75 -- right next to Mahavishnu, which is jazz/rock, not prog.
	11:20pm Droll: fleep, If we spoke German, we'd have the word for it. We need a loanword.
	11:21pm pacific standard simon: The best thing is when you do a search on an artist, and find an in-studio performance in the FMU archives.
	11:21pm david_: care of the cow = the roches * the native hipsters
	11:22pm Dave Mandl: @pss: I'll buy that (Mahavishnu comparison). And Fripp was a big admirer of John McLaughlin.
	11:28pm pacific standard simon: I saw something on the web once about Dave Brock auctioning off one of his original stomp boxes from the glory years of Hawkwind. Doubt that it still worked, after all that.
	11:30pm pacific standard simon: His drummer was pretty big, too!
	11:34pm jeanli: TWIZZLERS!!!!!!!
	11:35pm Dave Mandl: @jeanli: Yup.
	11:36pm Dave Mandl: @pss: Do you mean Lee Michaels's drummer?
	11:37pm pacific standard simon: @Dave - yeah, I think Frosty was his name -- dead, now.
	11:39pm pacific standard simon: A real man-mountain. Twizzler is what you call someone who does The Twizzle -- a dance on a Dick Van Dyke episode (twist+sizzle=twizzle).
	11:39pm Dave Mandl: Interesting. I don't know much about Lee Michaels. My sister used to listen to him when I was very young. That's where I discovered him.
	11:42pm pacific standard simon: Michaels was ubiquitous on the San Francisco music scene in the late '60s, before his big radio hit, "Do You Know What I Mean?" You're right, he would often perform with just his keyboards and a drummer.
	11:45pm Droll: Holy crap! He's not kidding: www.imdb.com... Is that like The Dougie or The Humpty? Maybe the Sacroiliac?
	11:48pm pacific standard simon: Would I kid? And Freddie Blassie is in that episode. I'm wrong about Frosty, though. Bartholomew Eugene Smith-Frost, AKA Frosty, is still with us, according to the internet.
	11:51pm Droll: pss, Trust, but verify.
	11:53pm pacific standard simon: And don't forget to tie up your camel.
	11:54pm trish: No trace of my favourite counter licorice growing up - long before nibs - the Billy stick. It had engraved lettering I read before I could read.
	11:54pm jeanli: jeez i never get any work done when listening to Dave, i keep checking the playlist every three songs...
	11:57pm pacific standard simon: Black Jack gum made a comeback, so keep the faith, baby!
	11:58pm 12539: Thanks, Dave (M).
	11:59pm Droll: Great show DM, and nice work re-categorizing KC as not-Prog Rock so the 11 minutes didn't count against the 2% limit. Don't be surprised if you're still questioned in the parking lot.
	12:00am pacific standard simon: You're all the fun I can handle on Sunday night, Dave.
	12:00am Dave Mandl: Thanks, folks. Have a great week!
	12:01am trish: Bassetti comes close in appearance. Pretty sure it was 'BILLY' http://www.oldtimesweetshop.co.uk/images/uploads/licquorice.jpg Licquorishh

World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from September 15, 2013

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September 15, 2013

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
C.O.B.	Music of the Ages "Music of the Ages" by "C.O.B."	Spirit of Love	BGO	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Edward Ka-Spel	The Shadow Mask "The Shadow Mask" by "Edward Ka-Spel"	Khataclimici China Doll	Streamline	0:04:00 (Pop-up)
Circle	Andexelt "Andexelt" by "Circle"	Andexelt	Tumult	0:08:08 (Pop-up)
Eddie Harris	Freedom Jazz Dance "Freedom Jazz Dance" by "Eddie Harris"	V/A: Essence of Funk	Hip Bop Essence	0:15:05 (Pop-up)

Noah Creshevsky	Summer "Summer" by "Noah Creshevsky"	The Four Seasons	Tzadik	0:26:33 (Pop-up)
Jonathan Kane	BQE "BQE" by "Jonathan Kane"	I Looked at the Sun	Table of the Elements	0:38:39 (Pop-up)
Rob Crow	Who Takes My Recyclables?	Lactose Adept	Cargo Records	0:43:51 (Pop-up)

Bérangère Maximin	Der Stern "Der Stern" by "Bérangère Maximin"	Infinitesimal	Sub Rosa	0:54:03 (Pop-up)
Vacuum Tree Head	Sighed Waves Mary	Excel (Eye Eye)	Megaphone	1:06:42 (Pop-up)
International Live Electronic Music Inc.	Deck Pulse	Field Recordings	X-OR	1:11:50 (Pop-up)

King Crimson	Fracture "Fracture" by "King Crimson"	Starless and Bible Black	EG Records	1:27:21 (Pop-up)
Pege Quintet	Baby Car "Baby Car" by "Pege Quintet"	V/A: Hungarian Jazz Anthology	Cosmic Sounds London	1:38:53 (Pop-up)
Henry Kaiser/Wadada Leo Smith	Black Satin	Yo Miles!	Shanachie	1:49:25 (Pop-up)

APM	Close Shredder Engine/Sprint Mill Mix 2	Sprint Mill	ICR	2:02:36 (Pop-up)
Yma Sumac	Montana Mama "Montana Mama" by "Yma Sumac"	Recital	ESP-Disk	2:09:07 (Pop-up)
Care of the Cow	Conversation Piece	I Still Don't Know Your Style	Fame & Fortune Records	2:12:34 (Pop-up)
Lee Michaels	If I Lose You "If I Lose You" by "Lee Michaels"	Recital		2:18:59 (Pop-up)
Hawkwind	Opa-Loka "Opa-Loka" by "Hawkwind"	Warrior on the Edge of Time	Cherry Red	2:21:16 (Pop-up)

Unbecoming	Problems 101 "Problems 101" by "Unbecoming"	Cooked on Twizzlers	Palmeadow	2:31:34 (Pop-up)
Land of Marigold	Tree "Tree" by "Land of Marigold"	Land of Marigold	Bug Incision	2:35:36 (Pop-up)
Peter Blegvad	Improv Tune/Crumb de la Crumb	Live at WFMU (Jim Price)	WFMU	2:41:53 (Pop-up)
Valet	April 6 "April 6" by "Valet"	Blood Is Clean	Kranky	2:45:59 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:05pm Dave Mandl: Evening, all.
	9:07pm Droll: Childrenof Bodom is a melodic death metal band, that was very out of step with the rest of their stuff.
	9:08pm davex: Hey Dave - very interesting start...
	9:08pm David L.B. is RRN63: Eddie - what have you done for me lately - ?!?!
	9:08pm Dave Mandl: Here there Droll, davex, DLBRRN63.
	9:10pm David L.B. is RRN63: THX1138 ! ...the shortest distance from PinkDots to EddieMurphy is - a RRN63 Comment...& it's still too long...
	9:10pm Dave Mandl: Droll: You never know with these death metal bands.
	9:14pm Dave Mandl: Should have been "Hey there," not "Here there," but that was probably obvious.
	9:14pm David L.B. is RRN63: ⚑ DAVES ☠ DAVES ⚑ DAVES ☠ DAVES ⚑
	9:15pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...Here There Be...Daves.
	9:17pm Dave Mandl: Always!
	9:18pm Jeezy: Sorry! Was late getting back from dinner in the city. COuld you please start the show from the top again, Dave. Thanks.
	9:19pm Dave Mandl: Jeezy: Sure thing. I kind of got off on the wrong foot anyway.
	9:19pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...I told my story I saw Eddie Harris shame a pick-up drummer by just clacking the keys of his sax...
	9:23pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...& then just a few years later - he was struggling but carrying on - & then soon deceased from illness.
	9:29pm Droll: "It's always [CDs shuffling] nice [CDs shuffling] to play music for you [CDs shuffling]." I come for the mic breaks. I think you've almost got the hang of it now.
	9:30pm David L.B. is RRN63: ...he's shamed pick-up drummers by just clacking CDs...
	9:31pm Dave Mandl: Droll: Thanks. Just another 10 years or so and I'll have it down.
	9:33pm duke: Hi Dave...the other Dave, Dave M.
	9:36pm Dave Mandl: Greetings, duke.
	9:37pm HollyT: Hi Dave!
	9:37pm Dave Mandl: Greetings, Holly.
	9:39pm Dave Mandl: BTW, Friendship Society friends: I have the details on my Jet FM (Nantes) rebroadcasts, as mentioned last week.
	9:40pm Dave Mandl: It's every Sunday 9 p.m. to midnight local time, so I guess 3 p.m. here on the east coast. Today was the first one, though I didn't hear it.
	9:40pm Dave Mandl: www.jetfm.asso.fr...
	9:41pm bloopy: sup dave.. good vibes
	9:41pm Richard from Venezuela: Hello Dave and all the listeners.
	9:41pm trish: There it is. Hey hey. http://www.jetfm.asso.fr/site/-World-Of-Echo-le-dimanche-a-21h-.html
	9:42pm Dave Mandl: Evening bloopy, Richard. How's it going?
	9:42pm Dave Mandl: Hey, trish.
	9:43pm Richard from Venezuela: Enjoying the new wfmu mobile app. Looks and works amazing.
	9:45pm Dave Mandl: Yeah, it's got some nice improvements. I use the app all the time.
	9:46pm trish: Hey Dave. A show for la grille. Excellente.
	9:47pm Dave Mandl: @trish: Merci bien.
	9:48pm davex: Is that a retransmission of the WFMU show? How did that come about?
	9:49pm trish: 'Trois heures de radio hors-pistes'
	9:50pm trish: Like skiing outside the lines.
	9:51pm HollyT: Hey Dave, that's a good pic of you!
	9:51pm HollyT: Big, yes. Impressive, I'm not so sure about. Maybe if they ever finished repairing it.
	9:52pm HollyT: (The pic on Jetfm.com)
	9:55pm Richard from Venezuela: Scrobbling the music is also good.
	9:58pm Dave Mandl: Holly: Why, thanks. It was the only photo I had.
	9:59pm Dave Mandl: @davex: Yeah, it's a week behind the FMU broadcasts, so today should have been a rebroadcast of last Sunday's show, and next week will be tonight's show.
	10:01pm Dave Mandl: The program director approached me and said he'd be interested in a rebroadcast of my show, and I said yes. Pretty simple. They've been running DJ/Rupture's show for a while, but since he's stopped doing it for now I guess they wanted an FMU replacement.
	10:03pm Droll: I had to look up "Scrobbling". What does one do with lists of what other people listen to?
	10:03pm Dave Mandl: @trish: Ha, yeah, I didn't see that. "Hors-pistes." That's exactly what it means.
	10:04pm AzulLunitta: Sounds...
	10:08pm Dave Mandl: @Droll: I know what scrobbling is, but I haven't done much of it so I'm far from an expert. Most people who listen to web stations can probably explain it better.
	10:09pm Dave Mandl: Last.FM is big on scrobbling.
	10:10pm jeanli: oh The Star. Could have listened to that track all night!
	10:12pm Dave Mandl: @jeanli: Yeah, agreed. But it was 8+ minutes, and I start to get antsy after that long.
	10:13pm Dave Mandl: And good evening, AzulLunitta.
	10:14pm davex: Dave M.: Sounds like a nice extension of the show. Glad to hear that there are innovative stations out there.
	10:20pm Dave Mandl: @davex: Thanks. It's nice that they're doing it.
	10:25pm Marmalade Kitty: I had my suspicions of scrobbling.. 1/wtf is "scrobbling" 2/are they stealing my music? 3/..wtf??
	10:29pm pacific standard simon: Working, then shopping, now cooking -- but here at last! Hi Dave.
	10:31pm Dave Mandl: Welcome MK, pss.
	10:32pm pacific standard simon: Dug this version of Crimso so much -- it's a shame Jamie Muir couldn't stay longer, too.
	10:33pm Marmalade Kitty: Hello Dave!
	10:37pm Marmalade Kitty: Scrobble: 1/ to waylay, kidnap or steal 2/a datum or the aggregate data collected by this means
	10:38pm Droll: There are some utterly blistering live bootlegs of '74 KC setting the bar with this song. Still, it's the Belew lineup that really bakes my noodle. DM, Aren't you afraid of an international culture war playing prog now that you're internationally syndicated?
	10:39pm Dave Mandl: Droll: Nah, I think they can handle it. I'm not sure I'd call this prog anyway. I don't know what it is.
	10:40pm Droll: [saucer eyed] King Crimson, 1974, Fracture... not... prog?!
	10:41pm Droll: Classy -- leaving lots of time for the listeners to applaud at the end like that.
	10:45pm Dave Mandl: It's a tricky label. I wouldn't put '74 King Crimson in exactly the same bucket as (say) Yes. But that's a much longer discussion, and I'd probably put people to sleep.
	10:47pm Droll: Oh no you wouldn't, they're already gone because you just played 11 minutes of it.
	10:48pm fleep: [checks] Nope. Not gone.
	10:48pm 12539: I'm still awake!
	10:50pm Dave Mandl: Thanks fleep, 12539. And my mother's probably still listening. She would never change the station.
	10:52pm trish: That was a stereo seque if ever I've heard one. And I've never heard one.
	10:56pm Dave Mandl: @trish: Yeah, that's, um, exactly the way I planned it.
	11:00pm j: Make the Kaiser WLS go away! it just did, thanks!
	11:06pm Dave Mandl: @j: It's gone. You're safe now.
	11:16pm 12539: Care o/the cow! I haven't heard this in decades!
	11:17pm Dave Mandl: Yeah, it's an oooold favorite around here. I haven't heard this in ages either.
	11:18pm Droll: There's got to be a word for when you hear something remarkable on WFMU so you Google it and all you can find are links back to WFMU.
	11:19pm fleep: Like an interview with Dave Mandl, yes.
	11:19pm pacific standard simon: I had to go away because the stew was burning. Prog is one of those things squirt away when you try to pin it down. But I know exactly where to fit King Crimson from '72-'75 -- right next to Mahavishnu, which is jazz/rock, not prog.
	11:20pm Droll: fleep, If we spoke German, we'd have the word for it. We need a loanword.
	11:21pm pacific standard simon: The best thing is when you do a search on an artist, and find an in-studio performance in the FMU archives.
	11:21pm david_: care of the cow = the roches * the native hipsters
	11:22pm Dave Mandl: @pss: I'll buy that (Mahavishnu comparison). And Fripp was a big admirer of John McLaughlin.
	11:28pm pacific standard simon: I saw something on the web once about Dave Brock auctioning off one of his original stomp boxes from the glory years of Hawkwind. Doubt that it still worked, after all that.
	11:30pm pacific standard simon: His drummer was pretty big, too!
	11:34pm jeanli: TWIZZLERS!!!!!!!
	11:35pm Dave Mandl: @jeanli: Yup.
	11:36pm Dave Mandl: @pss: Do you mean Lee Michaels's drummer?
	11:37pm pacific standard simon: @Dave - yeah, I think Frosty was his name -- dead, now.
	11:39pm pacific standard simon: A real man-mountain. Twizzler is what you call someone who does The Twizzle -- a dance on a Dick Van Dyke episode (twist+sizzle=twizzle).
	11:39pm Dave Mandl: Interesting. I don't know much about Lee Michaels. My sister used to listen to him when I was very young. That's where I discovered him.
	11:42pm pacific standard simon: Michaels was ubiquitous on the San Francisco music scene in the late '60s, before his big radio hit, "Do You Know What I Mean?" You're right, he would often perform with just his keyboards and a drummer.
	11:45pm Droll: Holy crap! He's not kidding: www.imdb.com... Is that like The Dougie or The Humpty? Maybe the Sacroiliac?
	11:48pm pacific standard simon: Would I kid? And Freddie Blassie is in that episode. I'm wrong about Frosty, though. Bartholomew Eugene Smith-Frost, AKA Frosty, is still with us, according to the internet.
	11:51pm Droll: pss, Trust, but verify.
	11:53pm pacific standard simon: And don't forget to tie up your camel.
	11:54pm trish: No trace of my favourite counter licorice growing up - long before nibs - the Billy stick. It had engraved lettering I read before I could read.
	11:54pm jeanli: jeez i never get any work done when listening to Dave, i keep checking the playlist every three songs...
	11:57pm pacific standard simon: Black Jack gum made a comeback, so keep the faith, baby!
	11:58pm 12539: Thanks, Dave (M).
	11:59pm Droll: Great show DM, and nice work re-categorizing KC as not-Prog Rock so the 11 minutes didn't count against the 2% limit. Don't be surprised if you're still questioned in the parking lot.
	12:00am pacific standard simon: You're all the fun I can handle on Sunday night, Dave.
	12:00am Dave Mandl: Thanks, folks. Have a great week!
	12:01am trish: Bassetti comes close in appearance. Pretty sure it was 'BILLY' http://www.oldtimesweetshop.co.uk/images/uploads/licquorice.jpg Licquorishh

World of Echo with Dave Mandl: Playlist from September 15, 2013

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