WFMU RADIO: Give The Drummer Some 01/15/13

Listener comments!

5:49pm Holly in NC:

Another fave MLK photo:
http://pinterest.com/pin/121526889916538537/

5:50pm Doug Schulkind:

Never seen that one. Wow.

5:52pm kat330:

Hiya, Doug, and thanks for what's to come. Hi, Holly and thanks for the link! Will be rejoining later after I prepare dinner.

5:54pm listener james from westwood:

got back too late for tony, but happy to be here now. good tuesday all!

5:54pm Doug Schulkind:

@kat330
Happy dinnertime.

5:56pm glenn:

the boogie will continue.

5:57pm Doug Schulkind:

No Tony Award for you, LJFW. (Good thing we've still got some Dougies.)

5:58pm ndbob:

evening Doug and everyone!

5:59pm Matt from Springfield:

The man of the month!
Hiya Doug, Holly, kat, LJFW, glenn, ndbob and all!!

5:59pm Philo Gristle:

Greets everyone! Will be eating & listening, so not typing... for a bit!

5:59pm ndbob:

@Doug@kat Thanks for the bday wishes!

6:00pm Doug Schulkind:

Please pronounce that BOO-ghee, Glenn.

Good evening Matt from Springfield & ndbob!

6:01pm Holly in NC:

Hi everybody! @kat & @philo - what's for dinner?

6:02pm Matt from Springfield:

@Holly: Thanks for that photo! Incredible dignity and composure the Rev. Dr. has when facing an object of hate directed at him.

6:03pm Matt from Springfield:

Hi Philo! Happy dinner to you!

6:04pm kat330:

@Holly: A "fusion" dish of pad thai chicken (usual peanuts & scallions) with eggplant and over rice rather than noodles. I'll let Philo write the review. :)

6:04pm kat330:

Hiya, Matt and Birthday Bob! :)

6:04pm Doug Schulkind:

Hey hey Philo Gristle. I am mollusked to see ya!

6:06pm kat330:

And warm greets to LJFW and glenn, too!

6:06pm ndbob:

@kat sounds yummy!

6:07pm kat330:

I think Geoff Muldaur was inspired by Thomas Shaw -- or vice versa.

6:07pm Philo Gristle:

Doug! Matt! Bob! Holly! James! Glenn!

Succulently savory, aromatically flavor-full, superbly textured, melts on the tongue, spicy just enough to whiff up the nostrils but not too strong to numb the palate. Yum.

6:08pm glenn:

evening, somers.

6:09pm Doug Schulkind:

@kat330
Nice tidbit there!

6:09pm listener james from westwood:

i've got some of mom's meatloaf here. missed out the first night due to the record fair, but she made me an extra mini-loaf.

6:09pm Matt from Springfield:

Sounds excellent Philo! I'm sure there's a Thai way of describing that dish exactly--I'm not so suave with the language to come up with that offhand, though! :)

6:09pm kat330:

TY, Philo! Very generous of you. But I'll agree it's a hit. Sometimes when cobbling together whatever's in the fridge or pantry and needs to be used, it doesn't work out this well.

6:10pm Holly in NC:

Oh happy birthday ndbob!

I have very heroes, and MLK may very well top the list.

6:11pm ndbob:

@Holly Thanks!

6:12pm kat330:

@James: Mom's meatloaf is always a must!
@Holly: Is it true what I heard today from last night's Colbert that today has been designated as "gun appreciation day" by the NRA or somesuch? :/ That's macabre.

6:13pm Matt from Springfield:

@Holly: Martin Luther King is a "personal saint" of mine--great people of spirit that the Catholic Church would probably never make saints (like MLK, Kahlil Gibran amongst others) but who are exemplary souls in my eyes.

6:16pm Philo Gristle:

We did get to go and see the Lorraine Hotel and national civil rights museum when we stopped by on the way back from NOLA in 2007. Like Clay would say, "Always remember."

6:16pm Holly in NC:

@kat - I don't know, but this JUST hit my mailbox:

"Two new bills to defund Planned Parenthood. A "personhood" measure too extreme even for voters in Mississippi and North Dakota. Not one, but two bills to end the designation of schools as gun-free zones. That's just some of the legislation Republicans rolled out in the first 48 hours of the new Congress."

6:18pm Matt from Springfield:

@LJFW: Extremely kind of your Mom! Time-delayed mini-loaves, for when life and good food conflict!

@Philo: Isn't that a museum now in Memphis people can see?

6:19pm Matt from Springfield:

Calypso tribute! Almost thought this was Mighty Sparrow or Sir Lancelot or the like.

6:19pm Philo Gristle:

@Matt Yep -- i guess I should have said Lorraine Hotel, which now is the National Civil Rights Museum.

6:19pm Doug Schulkind:

Topical quiz: What prominent American called what other prominent American "Martin Luther Queen" ??

6:21pm ndbob:

hmm Doug - George Wallace said it maybe? Strom Thurmond? Lester Maddox?

6:21pm kat330:

@Holly: It's been weirdly noticeable locally there is a seriously vigorous anti-PP campaign on television. So depressing, so regressive, especially coming on the heels of our annual pledge to PP.

6:21pm Matt from Springfield:

@Doug: Wild estimate, but was it Adam Clayton Powell?

6:23pm Doug Schulkind:

ndbob is...wrong, wrong, wrong

Matt from Springfield is...wrong

6:23pm Matt from Springfield:

Sounds like the Dutch language?

6:24pm glenn:

oh, those wacky republicans. what batshit crazy stuff will they come out with next? how about this - http://solchrom.tumblr.com/post/40555834599/look-at-that-smile-isnt-he-adorable-folks

6:25pm glenn:

the second one is j. edgar hoover. the first is lyndon johnson?

6:26pm Holly in NC:

@glenn -
oh. my. god.

6:26pm Doug Schulkind:

glenn is...close on the second name, but wrong and wrong

6:26pm Matt from Springfield:

Wow, even Google turning up no immediate leads. Who was it?

6:28pm Doug Schulkind:

John F. Kennedy (and his brother Robert) referred to the writer James Baldwin, who was pushing for a Civil Rights Act, early in the Kennedy administration, as "Martin Luther Queen."

6:29pm kat330:

@Bob: First off, the man should grow a pair of lips before mouthing off such nonsense.

6:30pm kat330:

Ooooops! (still chopsticking in-between typing here!) SORRY, my last was meant for glenn, not Bob.

6:30pm Doug Schulkind:

Senator Kennedy voted against an attempt civil rights legislation during the Eisenhower era. Lyndon Johnson saved the Kennedy legacy on civil rights big time.

6:32pm Matt from Springfield:

@Doug: Not surprising for the time, RFK wasn't as hostile to MLK as J. Edgar Hoover and most of the political/security establishment, but he still feared Dr. King's influence, and had his phones bugged.

Considering James Baldwin was gay as well, there wasn't any nice word for them back then.

6:33pm ndbob:

@Doug Have you read Caro's books on LBJ?

6:33pm Doug Schulkind:

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6:35pm Matt from Springfield:

@Doug: Johnson almost certainly voted against the same legislation! At least the political pressure on Kennedy from the March on Washington forced him to put the issue on the front burner, but was assassinated before the legislation went through. LBJ, call me a cynic but I'm not sure if he ever really had a change of heart--he signed the civil rights bills because there was no other political option for him by '64.

6:35pm Doug Schulkind:

@ndbob
I am, it is no hyperbole to state, the world's HUGEST Robert Caro fan. Waiting the 10 years between Volumes 3 and 4 of the LBJ books left me unhinged.

6:36pm ndbob:

@Doug - I've read Volume 4 - which I loved - need to go back and read the others

6:37pm ndbob:

@Matt read Vol 4 of the Caro bio and you may change your mind

6:39pm Doug Schulkind:

@Matt from Springfield
You could not be more wrong about LBJ and the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts. And as the Majority Leader of the Senate in 1956, he rammed thought a Civil Rights bill for the first time in the country's history. He was a flawed man and he was a southern senator with all the attendant complexities, but he was a bullwark on civil rights.

After the slaughter in Selma, Johnson delivered a speech to the joint session of congress pushing for the Civil Rights Act. From the lecturn, before the nation and the world, he used the words of the movement, "We shall overcome." Dr. King, watching on television, broke down and wept.

6:40pm kat330:

I have this dream of various politicians experiencing epiphanies, backtracking, apologizing, and righting so many wrongs they assisted in perpetrating.

6:41pm northguineahills:

Arggghhh, I always forget Doug on Tuesday evenings!

6:42pm kat330:

Guess it's more of a fantasy than a dream.

Hi, ngh!

6:42pm Matt from Springfield:

@NDBob/Doug: Well I'm sure any 4 (soon to be 5) volumes of biography can convince anyone otherwise, I admit that was more stereotype and speculation on my part than a thorough knowledge of LBJ's deliberations. I'll see any excerpts from those, see if I get what Caro's saying.

That said, I'm reading his Wiki and I like the description of his book "The Power Broker".

6:43pm glenn:

but kat, that would involve self awareness and courage.

6:43pm kat330:

Ah, DrummerSomertime!

6:44pm listener james from westwood:

i have a friend who has worked in legal recruiting in the miami area for 15ish years. he says hr people and others still need to be reminded that they cannot discriminate based on race. this is _law firms_ doing the hiring, now. when people talk about repealing the civil rights act or eliminating equal opportunity/affirmative action laws & policies he gets livid.

6:45pm kat330:

@glenn: Well, whatever Warren Buffett took -- ate? drank? -- let's give it to everyone in a leadership position.

6:45pm Matt from Springfield:

Robert Moses was a legendary tyrant of urban planning in NYC.

"They were talking one day about highways and where they got built...and here were these mathematical formulas about traffic density and population density and so on, and all of a sudden I said to myself: "This is completely wrong. This isn't why highways get built. Highways get built because Robert Moses wants them built there. If you don't find out and explain to people where Robert Moses gets his power, then everything else you do is going to be dishonest."

That sounds like an interesting read. I rec you look up Robert Moses if you don't know of him already. (He was an institutional (and prob. personal) racist, so there's a MLK Day correlation for yas).

6:46pm listener james from westwood:

lbj and robt moses: two people who contained multitudes.

6:48pm Matt from Springfield:

@kat: Oh, I don't think Mr. Buffett took anything--he merely is a RATIONAL rich investor, with a MODICUM of decency as a human being and an awareness of how people live and where he came from. Amazing how nice you can be, simply from not fucking over everyone weaker than yourself!

6:48pm Doug Schulkind:

@NGH
Are you on my mailing list? I send out an email alert about 30 minutes before each show...

6:49pm Holly in NC:

Robert Moses was an evil prick. EVIL.

6:49pm northguineahills:

Howdy kat! I was jamming to some Chrome when I realized Doug was on, and was able to catch the last third of the show.

In Mexico, you have to provide a photo w/ your resume. It insures the lighter skinned and more photogenic candidates are likely to get the better jobs.

Doug, I only check my email maybe thrice a day.

6:50pm glenn:

the unbelievable (to me, anyway) vitriol and just flat out hatred towards aboriginals here at the moment is shocking.

6:50pm Doug Schulkind:

Robert Caro's book on Robert Moses is phenomenal.

@LJFW
I am not at all surprised.

6:52pm Matt from Springfield:

@LJFW: It appears that Robert Caro likes to study very complex power figures of history.

6:53pm Doug Schulkind:

Robert Moses designed the stone bridges over the Long Island expressways to be so low as to keep buses from using them. Buses that would be bringing black folk from the city out to the beaches he designed for the white folk of Long Island. True story. It is alleged but not 100% proven that Moses mandated that the water in NYC public swimming pools be kept extra cold because African Americans were known to dislike cold water.

6:54pm kat330:

@Matt: Precisely. I am hoping the greedy nitwidiots will get it through their thick skulls that they can often actually *profit* from doing the right thing. That's the tack that will work best on the corporate world, which in turn is the puppetmaster for politicians.

6:54pm Matt from Springfield:

Good Folkaways recording--this is why field collecting continues to be relevant, into the present day. A window into that community.

Incidentally, how come we never sang this in MY elementary school commemorations of MLK??...

6:54pm glenn:

ummm, known by who?

6:55pm Doug Schulkind:

Caro is fascinated by complicated individuals who's abundant good acts are virtually nullified by their awful acts. Amazing.

6:55pm ndbob:

The entire Nancy Dupree LP is great

6:55pm kat330:

@ngh: Good, non-Wimpy news this Tuesday???

6:55pm Doug Schulkind:

Quiz #2: Try to guess the song on the flip side of this Big Maybelle record...

6:55pm northguineahills:

Although Robert Moses was most likely a racist, he just didn't like poor people in general.

6:56pm northguineahills:

I have to wait until Friday to see if I get any verification for this job. It's moving faster then almost any other job I've received.

6:57pm Doug Schulkind:

@NGH
You said it.

6:57pm Matt from Springfield:

@NGH: An attitude still very pervasive in oligarchs to this day. Those who may exhibit traits of racism, but really just despise the poor in general.

6:57pm ndbob:

Abraham martin and john?

6:57pm Doug Schulkind:

Wonderful piece of research/writing on school teacher Nancy Dupree, here:

snoreandguzzle.com...

6:58pm ndbob:

you should hear Big Maybelle's cover of The Eggplant That Ate Chicago

6:58pm glenn:

paris had a mayor who tore down complete neighbourhoods, so it's not unusual.

6:58pm Doug Schulkind:

@ndbob
Almost played a Clara Ward version of "Abraham Martin and John" but the quality was too yucky.

6:59pm northguineahills:

I enjoy snoring and guzzling (although, I usually don't snore)

6:59pm Philo Gristle:

"Hell Will Welcome You James Earl Ray"?

6:59pm kat330:

Oooh, we are the New Albanians who ate eggplant moments ago.

6:59pm Matt from Springfield:

Wow, thanks Doug! I look forward to snoring and guzzling this article soon!

The picture: her clothes, hair, decor of room, color-fade of photograph...yep, she looks legit!

7:00pm ndbob:

excellent show Doug!

7:00pm kat330:

Bye and thanks, Doug! Sweet dreams you all!

7:00pm listener james from westwood:

many thanks, doug. be well, all!

7:01pm Matt from Springfield:

This was a musically great, and VERY intellectually stimulating episode! Lot of stuff to look back on tonight.

Thanks Doug! Goodnight everyone!

7:01pm Philo Gristle:

Thanks for a great show, Doug!

7:02pm Matt from Springfield:

"Eleanor Rigby"...shoulda known! :)

7:02pm Doug S.:

Had a ball, friends. See you Friday.

8:47am Van in DC:

One great & wonderful benefit of archive listening to GTDS is pop-up player, I must say.

Living Tuesday evening on Wednesday morning.

Wanted to go to MLK Memorial yesterday but way too busy at work :(

Glad you are home safe & sound Doug!

Johnnie Lewis	You Gonna Miss Me (about Dr. Martin Luther King)	Alabama Slide Guitar (Arhoolie )
Thomas Shaw	Martin Luther King	Blind Lemon's Buddy (Blue Goose 1972)
Big Joe Williams	The Death of Dr. Martin Luther King	Shake Your Boogie (Arhoolie 1969)
Otis Spann w/Muddy Waters & His Band	Tribute to Martin Luther King	Live the Life (Testament )
Canary	Tribute to Martin Luther King	This Is Calypso! (RA 1968)

Johnny Hoes	Martin Luther King	Trashcan Records, Volume 9
Rochereau & Afr. Fiesta Nationale le Peuple	Martin Luther King	Success d'Hier
South Land Singers & Odell Knox	The Faith of Martin Luther King
Norm Burns & the Five Stars	Martin Luther King
Swan Mellarks	A Tribute to Dr. Martin Luther King

Max Roach	I Have a Dream	Duet w/Martin Luther King
James Chapman	In Memory of Martin Luther King	Lost Deep Soul Treasures, Volume 2
Nancy Dupree and a Group of Rochester, NY Youngsters	Docta King	Ghetto Reality (Folkways 1969)
Big Maybelle	Heaven Will Welcome You Dr. King	b/w Eleanor Rigby (Rojac 1968)

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