WFMU: Sunrise Lamentations with Jeremiah: Playlist from November 23, 2024

Listener comments!
	3:02am Listener Jonny in MA: ↳ Song: "Know Your Shadow" by "36" Love this! Hi Jer!
	🎷 3:03am tom tom the pipers son: hello jeremiah and all....
	🎷 3:12am Don in Tampere: Hi Jeremiah, Jonny, tomtom! perfect music for a sunny, wintry morning.
	3:14am Hubig Pie: Nice
	3:16am Jeremiah: Morning all. Glad you are enjoying it. I think it will be a pretty good show.
	🎷 3:18am tom tom the pipers son: hello don...you must be back in finland...
	3:18am Stanley: I'm listening early today I'm going to take the smooth with the smooth
	3:18am Hubig Pie: I like how the pumpkin face icon is eclipsing the sun in my comment.
	3:19am coelacanth∅: Greetings Jeremiah
	3:21am Jeremiah: Oh you ARE early Stanley. Hey Coel. I wonder how long we get to keep the punkins.
	🎷 3:23am tom tom the pipers son: having some good tea for a change... the medicinal properties of good tea is really noticeable ...having ginger /turmeric tea
	3:26am Destroit: Hi Jeremiah and crew. Nice n mellow in here as usual.
	3:27am Hubig Pie: This music is sonic therapy.
	🎷 3:31am Don in Tampere: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:18 Hi Tom, indeed I am, got back Thursday last week, so this is already my second lamentations since getting back. last weekend I headed after the shor to the west coast for a weekend on the snowy beach with a friend before going to see Gong play in Pori, which was mind-blowing. Today I'll have to practice some before the show's over because my band has a gig tonight and I haven't fully recovered from three weeks without a banjo.
	3:31am Jeremiah: Yes. Music is absolutely medicine
	🎷 3:36am tom tom the pipers son: sounds great don...you are an ex-pat...right? did any interesting landscape in the southwest here? i've never been there... "three weeks without a banjo" i think you have a song topic there.... ; )
	🎷 3:37am tom tom the pipers son: did you see
	3:38am slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "Dawn Frost" by "State Azure" beautiful 💚💙 yes, definitely therapeutic
	3:38am fred: Good morning Jeremiah and listeners
	3:40am coelacanth∅: ↳ Jeremiah @3:21 usually 'till a week or 2 before the main fundraiser begins, as i remember
	🎷 3:41am tom tom the pipers son: hello fred , coelacanth, slugluv and others
	3:42am Jeremiah: Morning Fred and Slug and all.
	🎷 3:42am Don in Tampere: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:36 i was only in the US southwest countryside once, in 1968 as a kid, and otherwise only in LA, SF and seattle for work trips, but I remember some pretty spectacular landscapes. Last weekend i was at yyteri beach, which a relaively rare phenomoenon of a sandy beach so far north.However, I didn't swim in it like I did in the Atlantc two weeks earlier while visiting my brother near Charleston, SC.
	3:46am fred: @Don: I saw a dance show that featured a Finland based artist's music that I really liked, Cucina Povera. Have you heard of her?
	3:48am Jeremiah: Kitchen Power!
	3:51am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:41 hey tom tom
	🎷 3:51am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Don in Tampere @3:42 swimming in the atlantic in november is polar bear club material in northeast, although it was unusually warm here up until a couple of days ago... it was probably temperate in carolina... i guess you are saying the beaches in finland are rocky....even not that far north, was surprised to see brighton beach in uk all covered in rounded stones
	3:58am Eric the Hat: ↳ Song: "Dawn Frost" by "State Azure" Hey Jeremiah! So dope yo played State Azure. Love his work. Randomly discovered him on YouTube way back at a point while searching for generative drone examples. Dude definitely oughta press some slabs in my humble opinion… Fantastic
	3:59am Eric the Hat: Also Whattup coel, fred, tom… Happy Saturnday
	4:04am Eric the Hat: Hubig, slug and Destroit… cheers
	4:04am Jeremiah: ↳ Eric the Hat @3:58 Oh cool! I just ran across him on bandcamp and was like oh this makes sense for the show obvs.
	🎷 4:06am Don in Tampere: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:36 BTW, yes, I'm an ex-pat, emigré, maahaanmuuttoja etc. I grew up in SC, did bachelors in NC and Ph.D. in Indiana, then left for Switzerland early 1984 after defending my thesis. From there it was a zig-zag course north through Europe, mostly in Germany, where I became a citizen in 2007, then since 2010 in Finland.
	🎷 4:08am Don in Tampere: ↳ fred @3:46 I had not heard of her, and when I first started looking I only found Italian cooking pages, and apparently she names herself after the cooking style. I'll see if I can find some of her music after the show. IT seems that she is no longer active.
	4:09am Jeremiah: I am trying to write a short paper on the psychology of American expats as opposed to immigrants to this country. There is not much literature about it that I can find.
	4:09am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:04 Love when my youtube chooses to head in his direction for me to wake up to… very inspiring
	4:10am LiXiviated Life: It’s now o’clocki
	4:10am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:09 Mad jazz musicians in this category. Musicians in general.
	🎷 4:12am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Eric the Hat @3:59 hello eric... hA! i'm half asleep....forgot to post since 4am... hi eric...
	🎷 4:13am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:06 thanks don...i am recalling some if this...
	🎷 4:14am tom tom the pipers son: of this..
	4:15am Toothgrinder Tom: I read that it was learning Finnish that inspired Tolkien to invent Elvish (which then lead to Lord Of The Rings as an exercise in giving the language and its variants their proper world).
	4:16am Jeremiah: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:10 Yeah but I want to talk about regular joes more than creative types I think. I dunno. I don't have a proper thesis yet tbh.
	4:19am fred: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:08 According to her bandcamp (cucinapovera.bandcamp.com) her last release was two years ago, so maybe it just takes time
	4:19am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:16 Word. Seems not so much a regular joe thing though. Besides for actual joes. Like soldiers who never came home…no?
	🎷 4:21am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:19 maybe for corporate joes
	4:22am Jeremiah: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:19 Yeah I dunno. There might be nothing there. I was just reading about psychoanalysis for immigrants to this country and wondering why immigration in the other direction is never examined because I'm sure the experience is very different for both the immigrant and the locals.
	🎷 4:24am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeremiah @4:22 the economic road that each emigrate on are very different i'd guess
	4:25am Eric the Hat: Yeah. I was thinking, regular joe is definitely relative I guess. To some, a regular joe may have degrees or specific skills and to others, a regular joe might be a broke laborer. I dunno
	🎷 4:28am tom tom the pipers son: bet there is not much information coming out of saudi arabia pertaining to immigrant psychoanalysis
	4:29am Jeremiah: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @4:24 Yeah well it's supposed to be about psychoanalysis so it would be about differences in the effect on the unconscious and exploring their attachment to their homeland. My theory is that Americans who immigrate are not nearly as attached to America as most people who immigrate to America are attached their motherland.
	4:29am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:22 Totally. Nobody’s really inviting our tired, poor wretched masses yearning to breathe free. Could be the reason. We were supposed to be the last stop. Lol
	4:30am Eric the Hat: Otherwise, I’d be on that shit. And would happily be analyzed for your cause.
	4:31am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:29 I think usually because they had to leave, as coming here was their only hope
	4:32am LiXiviated Life: It seems to me that no one understands themselves as regular Do they?
	4:32am fred: BTW, that choreographer could have a guest show on WFMU (some people couldn't stand the music and left, I felt right at home) There are two spotify playlists on the show's page (one for those that made it, one for shortlisted tracks) www.grip.house... (scroll down a bit)
	4:33am Eric the Hat: ↳ LiXiviated Life @4:32 I mean, if I’ve had my fiber…lol. Or when I walk into the bar and my drink is sitting at my seat by the time I get there.
	4:34am Jeremiah: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:31 That's why I want to look at people who just chose to immigrate and weren't forced out by economics or a war or persecution. And definitely after WWII when America became what it is. It might be weak tea though. i will think about it over the holiday.
	🎷 4:34am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeremiah @4:29 i think that's true, but isn't there an economic element to that in the way the poor frame theior communities where the middle classes would frame it differently, not having as close ties to their communities
	4:35am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:34 Ah. But I guess what I’m thinking is that if someone here chooses to leave, they’re in a position of privilege greater than the normal joe. But maybe I’m putting too much thought into it.
	4:37am Jeremiah: No it's true, but also most people who are getting psychoanalysis are in a position of privilege because they can afford psychoanalysis. So the immigrants to this country that I've read about are generally professionals with some money as well.
	🎷 4:38am Don in Tampere: ↳ Jeremiah @4:09 One thing that always annoys me is that people talk of ex-pats when it's about, mostly white, people from wealthy countries, and immigrants if they are from anywhere else.
	🎷 4:38am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Two Of You" by "Souled American" this has a weird melodicism i like
	🎷 4:40am Don in Tampere: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:51 The water temperature at Isle of Palms was 71 F, which people there think is too cold to swim, but which is about as warm as the lakes get here in the summer and felt great to me for a little round of body surfing. Most of the beaches here are either rocky or trees and grass pretty much up to the shore.
	🎷 4:41am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeremiah @4:37 i was assuming there were therapist at least to deal with the influx of immigration...it would have been wise for the government to do that...not gonna happen now
	4:41am Eric the Hat: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:38 Unless we’re talking about Irish Italian Slavs coming to America. Any time I hear expat, I think of Americans who’ve left here. Also, ex patriot implies one with nationalistic values in a weird way?
	4:43am Jeremiah: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:38 Right. This is what I mean as well-they only really study migrants moving from brown spaces into white spaces and rarely go the other way. Specifically with Americans as well. I think Americans are unique in that it's such a new country with such an outsize influence and presence as well as being such a hodgepodge of peoples with nothing like a stable national identity.
	4:43am Eric the Hat: I’m definitely overthinking this. Lol
	🎷 4:44am Don in Tampere: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @4:15 I read that too, but haven't gonre back to the books to see if I can identify any structural similarities. I think I read that he was really into the Kalevala (the national epic, compiled from folk tales by Elias Lönnrot in the 1800s - and by the way John Fahey referenced it in some of his liner notes too). I love the fact that the heroes of the national epic here are primarily magicians and musicians rather than warriors.
	🎷 4:44am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:40 oh 71 not too bad... interesting about the finish shore....i've been spotting posts of edvard munch's work who did a fair amount of painting of the norweigian landscape...i've recently become a fan of his work
	4:47am fred: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:41 I thought expat stood for expatriate originally and that "ex patriot" was a later derogative formation
	4:47am Jeremiah: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @4:41 I think it's very hard to get therapy as an indigent person in this country unless you are in florid violent psychosis and need to be taken off the street.
	🎷 4:47am tom tom the pipers son: i'd take a guess that the term ex-pat was coined in the 1920's... a la hemingway
	🎷 4:47am Don in Tampere: ↳ Jeremiah @4:16 I think that one of the most important things is that you view your home with different eyes. And sometimes ask yourself "how did I ever think that this is normal?"I'm happy to discuss with you if you want to. Just ping me.
	4:48am Eric the Hat: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @4:41 I think there were, but at a time when the science was not legit. I’ve read old papers about the lascivious nature of Slavic immigrants, from Ellis island. All kinds of weird shit. Back then they’d just drill a hole in yr head and water board you for a few months, then bury you on that other island…in those mass graves for the unknown.
	🎷 4:48am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ fred @4:47 i think you are correct
	4:48am Eric the Hat: ↳ fred @4:47 Yes. I m sure yr correct. That makes perfect sense.
	🎷 4:49am tom tom the pipers son: verb (used with object) , pa·tri·at·ed, pa·tri·at·ing. to transfer (legislation) to the authority of an autonomous country from its previous mother country.
	4:49am Toothgrinder Tom: In my experience ex-pats refer to people who have the freedom to come and go between their home and host countries as they please whereas immigrants maybe are more constrained by their finances or work obligations? Although there are certainly shades of gray here - it was not unusual for Italian ‘immigrant’ workers in the 1920s and 1930s in the US to return to Italy after making money here for a time.
	🎷 4:50am Don in Tampere: ↳ Jeremiah @4:29 That could be. Most Americans who move abroad do it by choice (though that could change in the next 4 years). That implies a certain degree of detachment. many who come to the US are leaving because of poverty, persecution, lack of opportunity etc. And some Germans I know who moved to the US for career reasons, but could have stayed in Germany comfortably, became super-Americans.
	4:50am Jeremiah: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:41 It's not ex patriot though, it's expatriate and it just means you have left your country of origin. It's the same as immigrating but immigration has taken on an air of refugeeism when deployed.
	4:50am Eric the Hat: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @4:47 Looked it up: The first use of the word “expat” was in a poem of the same name written by British poet D.J. Enright in 1962. The term was used at the time mostly to refer to Brits who were sent by their employees to British colonies for business purposes.
	🎷 4:51am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:50 oh, so recent
	4:52am Jeremiah: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:47 I think the website should have sent you my email if you want to just email me back yours. I would love to talk to you if I can figure out what exactly it is I'm writing about. This is the first academic paper I've written in over 20 years so I have no idea what I'm doing.
	4:54am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:50 For sure. My bad.
	4:55am fred: I think there's a viewpoint element too: someone who refers to themselves as an expat could be seen as an immigrant by people in the country they live in (though there's also a temporary shade to expat)
	🎷 4:55am tom tom the pipers son: @fred... thanks for teaching us english
	4:55am Jeremiah: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:47 Yes this is the impression I get. With distance, the US looks strange and foreign whereas coming from another country to the US there seems to be much more nostalgia and a desire to bring some of the mother country to the US.
	4:55am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:52 Dude! I don’t think the kids write papers anymore! lol
	🎷 4:57am Don in Tampere: ↳ Jeremiah @4:52 It did, and I've replied.
	4:57am Eric the Hat: ↳ Song: "Fuyu" by "Gozu Mezu" Rollah
	🎷 4:58am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeremiah @4:55 its also strange encountering other americans abroad...had the bizarre experience of listening to a father with his family talking on phone about thanksgiving to someone in the states while i was in the berlin zoo
	🎷 4:59am Don in Tampere: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:55 Might depend on the field. In the field I was in, science and engineering, the requirement to publish is stricter than when i was studying. I wrote a monograph from which three papers emerged later. Here they require 3-4 first-author, peer-reviewed publications before they can submit for pre-examination.
	🎷 5:02am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeremiah @4:55 different thing but many americans traveling abroad tend to bring american "culture" with them as a perch to view the country they are visiting
	5:04am Jeremiah: ↳ fred @4:55 Very true.
	5:05am Jeremiah: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:57 Awesome! Thank you! I'll be in touch.
	🎷 5:06am Spikey BXL: Good morning Jeremiah, lamentables
	🎷 5:09am tom tom the pipers son: have to get some sleep... later all
	5:09am Jeremiah: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @4:58 I kept getting mistaken for French in Paris. People kept asking me directions. I spoke enough French, but I never had any idea where I was haha. But speaking of Thanksgiving, I once went to a Thanksgiving in Brooklyn at a Polish friend's house and slowly realized that out of the 2 dozen people there, I was the only American. There were Poles, Tajiks, Russians, Kazakhs, Japanese, etc. But I as the only American at this very American holiday. Surreal moment.
	5:11am Jeremiah: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:02 Exactly-that's part of what I want to explore. It's a very small paper though (5-8 pp) so it will not get super-deep.
	5:12am Jeremiah: Morning Spikey. Night Tom.
	🎷 5:13am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeremiah @5:09 that thanksgiving dinner sounds ideal...i was mistaken for a brit ingermany because when i spoke english to a german i would enunciate very clearly good night jeremiah
	5:14am Toothgrinder Tom: Tying everything up, I wonder what it’s like for a Canadian expat attending an American Thanksgiving (they have their own Thanksgiving holiday a few weeks earlier than ours and it’s supposed to be subtly different).
	🎷 5:15am Don in Tampere: ↳ Spikey BXL @5:06 better lamentable than deplorable.
	🎷 5:17am Spikey BXL: ↳ Don in Tampere @5:15 fully agree, hiya Don
	5:18am TDK60: Good morning, Jeremiah.
	5:19am LiXiviated Life: Turning the corner soon
	5:20am Jeremiah: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @5:14 Lol I'll do you one better-my good friend is a first generation Indian/Pakistani-Canadian living in Brooklyn. She does not care about our Thanksgiving.
	5:20am fred: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:02 There's also a weird mix of patriotism (driven in early I guess) and regionalism in Americans that might make them reluctant to think of themselves as transients anywhere else even after decades (by regionalism I mean referring to themselves as from the state they were born in, even though they left for college to another state and never went back)
	5:20am Jeremiah: Morning TDK
	5:21am ian: Great set
	5:21am Eric the Hat: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:59 It’s comforting to know actual education still exists in the world. The majority of humans don’t even know what peer review means. Everyone is born onto a soapbox these days, their words taken as facts by masses. Of course we know this.
	5:23am Toothgrinder Tom: @Jeremiah Thanksgiving is pretty low key in Canada (from what I’ve heard).
	5:24am Jeremiah: ↳ fred @5:20 Yeah it's huge mess of a country. It's funny, I was in the class this paper is for and we went around the class and talked about our immigration stories. Everyone else in the class is white. We realized at some point that my family, being descended from slaves and Native Americans, has been in this country longer than anyone else's in class. Yet, were I to move abroad, I'm pretty sure I would be considered less American in most places because I'm not white.
	5:25am Jeremiah: ↳ ian @5:21 Thanks! Glad you are enjoying it.
	5:26am TDK60: Ah, American patriotism. I've /never/ been into it.
	5:26am fred: ↳ Eric the Hat @5:21 Good for them about peer review, it's messy in practice (like a reviewer asking why some papers were not cited, blowing his secret identity in the process)
	5:27am Jeremiah: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @5:23 Yeah she did not seem to care that much. She was just recalling growing up and as a kid wanting to eat the "white people food" of Thanksgiving instead of just more Indian food.
	5:28am Eric the Hat: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:59 Corporate interests and ridiculous racism have destroyed the education system here. Straight up. Save for the privileged. Education and health care and housing are commodities. I can’t even keep typing these words.
	5:29am fred: ↳ Jeremiah @5:24 I'm afraid you don't have to move abroad to find people who consider you less American
	5:30am Eric the Hat: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:02 Like clowns on stilts
	5:30am Eric the Hat: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:09 Night tom
	5:32am fred: ↳ Eric the Hat @5:28 We're taking the next step, we are all commodities to the tech oligarchs
	5:32am Jeremiah: ↳ fred @5:29 Facts. I mean it was my teacher who pointed out that I was, in fact, the most American person in the room. Even I have internalized the impulse to think of myself as less American despite the fact that the Blackfeet in my family means I'm the opposite of an immigrant really.
	5:33am Strandlund: Good Morning Jeremiah and everyone tuning in...
	5:34am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @5:09 Sounds rad! There should be a universal day of giving thanks outside of the weird pilgrim shit
	5:35am Jeremiah: Morning Stradlund
	5:38am fred: ↳ Jeremiah @5:32 Good teacher there, doing some extra teaching on the side
	🎷 5:40am Spikey BXL: Hiya Teeds, fred, Lix, Strand, Eric
	5:41am Eric the Hat: Thanks for the wonderful conversation guys. And thanks for the sick sound track Jeremiah.
	5:42am TDK60: ↳ Spikey BXL @5:40 Morning Spikey BXL.
	5:47am Jeremiah: ↳ Eric the Hat @5:41 Cheers! Thanks all for your insights. I will return to this thread as a source of inspiration over the next 3 weeks as I try to re-learn how to write.
	5:54am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @5:47 Word. Didn’t mean to run my mouth, but these subjects are often on the mind…especially with the way shit is going these days. And I guess the way they’ve been going for some time. Thanks again.
	🎷 5:54am Don in Tampere: Thanks for a great show and some interesting discussions to all! I'm off to practice banjo and get my hands back up to speed for our punk version of Bella Ciao.
	5:56am Jeremiah: have a Good show!
	5:57am fred: ↳ Jeremiah @4:50 Going back to an earlier comment, I don't get why refugees are seen as anything but a compliment. I mean, living in a place of refuge means that country is doing something right (though maybe by right I mean left, politics are confusing)
	5:57am Strandlund: Thanks Jeremiah!!
	5:58am Strandlund: ↳ Spikey BXL @5:40 Hello Spikey!!
	5:58am TDK60: Gracias, Jeremiah.
	5:59am Eric the Hat: ↳ fred @5:57 For real

Sunrise Lamentations with Jeremiah: Playlist from November 23, 2024

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November 23, 2024: The Best Laid Plans

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
36	Know Your Shadow "Know Your Shadow" by "36"	Dreamloops	Ba Da Bing!	0:00:00 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
State Azure	Dawn Frost "Dawn Frost" by "State Azure"	Ambient Tape Session One	Bandcamp	0:17:37 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Jason Stein	Holding Breath "Holding Breath" by "Jason Stein"	Anchors	Tao Forms	0:38:36 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

Raymond	Those "Those" by "Raymond"	Those Spaces and Times	Slow Tone Collages	0:55:03 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
M.B. & Sonologyst	Form Farriginosa	Forme	Unexplained Sounds	1:13:26 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Tomoyoshi Date and Bill Seaman	Duet 6	Duet	Quiet Details	1:18:01 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Mark Hjorthoy	A Heart Full Of Hollow Wounds	Anthology of Experimental Music From Canada	Unexplained Sounds Group	1:26:14 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Ezmeralda	El Amor Eficaz "El Amor Eficaz" by "Ezmeralda"	Ruido y Flor	Bandcamp	1:30:52 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Souled American	Two Of You "Two Of You" by "Souled American"	Frozen	Scissor Tail	1:34:54 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Maple Fyshh	君はもう一つの現実僕はこの現実 (判ったよ、もう怖い顔はやめて･･････) (You are the Other Reality and I am This Reality (Okay, Okay, No More Scary Faces)	君がどんどん離れて行く You Are Leaving My Mind: The "Mariko" and "Dokitto Station!!" Era	EM Records	1:38:30 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Isik Kural	Prelude "Prelude" by "Isik Kural"	Moon in Gemini	RVNG Intl	1:41:40 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Supercombo Los Caviares	El Niño De Cobre	Movimientos Oblicuos	Bandcamp	1:44:49 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Mahti	Pala 6 "Pala 6" by "Mahti"	Konsertti 1	VHF	1:48:58 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Gozu Mezu	Fuyu "Fuyu" by "Gozu Mezu"	Ladder	Bandcamp	1:53:38 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

Sigillum S	Radioactive Cockroaches In Tangiers	Cut UP. Deconstructing W. S. Burroughs	Unexplained Sounds Group	2:02:38 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Kioto Aoki x Takashi Shallow	2tons (Turbine Dub)	Paper, Not Plastic Dubs	FPE Records	2:07:23 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Fling II	Tetra "Tetra" by "Fling II"	Fling II	Content Depot	2:18:01 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Elijah Minnelli	Ploughshare Dub "Ploughshare Dub" by "Elijah Minnelli"	Perpetual Musket	Breadminster County Council	2:25:01 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Winter Family	Daughters of Jerusalem	On Beautiful Days	Murailles / Sub Rosa / Hublotone	2:28:46 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Taiko	Oaken Feat. Ed Hodge "Oaken Feat. Ed Hodge" by "Taiko"	Oaken	White Peach	2:33:49 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Sunrise Suite "Sunrise Suite"
Bona Fide	High Street "High Street" by "Bona Fide"	Royal Function	N-Coded Music	2:40:08 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Richard Elliot	Givin' It Up "Givin' It Up" by "Richard Elliot"	Lip Service	Concord Music Group Inc	2:45:56 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Freddie Fox	Still Lovin' You "Still Lovin' You" by "Freddie Fox"	Feelin' It	Foxhole Records	2:48:14 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Vincent Ingala	Just Imagine "Just Imagine" by "Vincent Ingala"	Can't Stop Now	Vincent Ingala	2:56:45 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Bob Baldwin	It's a New Day "It's a New Day" by "Bob Baldwin"	Standing Tall	City Sketches Inc	2:56:50 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	3:02am Listener Jonny in MA: ↳ Song: "Know Your Shadow" by "36" Love this! Hi Jer!
	🎷 3:03am tom tom the pipers son: hello jeremiah and all....
	🎷 3:12am Don in Tampere: Hi Jeremiah, Jonny, tomtom! perfect music for a sunny, wintry morning.
	3:14am Hubig Pie: Nice
	3:16am Jeremiah: Morning all. Glad you are enjoying it. I think it will be a pretty good show.
	🎷 3:18am tom tom the pipers son: hello don...you must be back in finland...
	3:18am Stanley: I'm listening early today I'm going to take the smooth with the smooth
	3:18am Hubig Pie: I like how the pumpkin face icon is eclipsing the sun in my comment.
	3:19am coelacanth∅: Greetings Jeremiah
	3:21am Jeremiah: Oh you ARE early Stanley. Hey Coel. I wonder how long we get to keep the punkins.
	🎷 3:23am tom tom the pipers son: having some good tea for a change... the medicinal properties of good tea is really noticeable ...having ginger /turmeric tea
	3:26am Destroit: Hi Jeremiah and crew. Nice n mellow in here as usual.
	3:27am Hubig Pie: This music is sonic therapy.
	🎷 3:31am Don in Tampere: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:18 Hi Tom, indeed I am, got back Thursday last week, so this is already my second lamentations since getting back. last weekend I headed after the shor to the west coast for a weekend on the snowy beach with a friend before going to see Gong play in Pori, which was mind-blowing. Today I'll have to practice some before the show's over because my band has a gig tonight and I haven't fully recovered from three weeks without a banjo.
	3:31am Jeremiah: Yes. Music is absolutely medicine
	🎷 3:36am tom tom the pipers son: sounds great don...you are an ex-pat...right? did any interesting landscape in the southwest here? i've never been there... "three weeks without a banjo" i think you have a song topic there.... ; )
	🎷 3:37am tom tom the pipers son: did you see
	3:38am slugluv1313: ↳ Song: "Dawn Frost" by "State Azure" beautiful 💚💙 yes, definitely therapeutic
	3:38am fred: Good morning Jeremiah and listeners
	3:40am coelacanth∅: ↳ Jeremiah @3:21 usually 'till a week or 2 before the main fundraiser begins, as i remember
	🎷 3:41am tom tom the pipers son: hello fred , coelacanth, slugluv and others
	3:42am Jeremiah: Morning Fred and Slug and all.
	🎷 3:42am Don in Tampere: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:36 i was only in the US southwest countryside once, in 1968 as a kid, and otherwise only in LA, SF and seattle for work trips, but I remember some pretty spectacular landscapes. Last weekend i was at yyteri beach, which a relaively rare phenomoenon of a sandy beach so far north.However, I didn't swim in it like I did in the Atlantc two weeks earlier while visiting my brother near Charleston, SC.
	3:46am fred: @Don: I saw a dance show that featured a Finland based artist's music that I really liked, Cucina Povera. Have you heard of her?
	3:48am Jeremiah: Kitchen Power!
	3:51am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:41 hey tom tom
	🎷 3:51am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Don in Tampere @3:42 swimming in the atlantic in november is polar bear club material in northeast, although it was unusually warm here up until a couple of days ago... it was probably temperate in carolina... i guess you are saying the beaches in finland are rocky....even not that far north, was surprised to see brighton beach in uk all covered in rounded stones
	3:58am Eric the Hat: ↳ Song: "Dawn Frost" by "State Azure" Hey Jeremiah! So dope yo played State Azure. Love his work. Randomly discovered him on YouTube way back at a point while searching for generative drone examples. Dude definitely oughta press some slabs in my humble opinion… Fantastic
	3:59am Eric the Hat: Also Whattup coel, fred, tom… Happy Saturnday
	4:04am Eric the Hat: Hubig, slug and Destroit… cheers
	4:04am Jeremiah: ↳ Eric the Hat @3:58 Oh cool! I just ran across him on bandcamp and was like oh this makes sense for the show obvs.
	🎷 4:06am Don in Tampere: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:36 BTW, yes, I'm an ex-pat, emigré, maahaanmuuttoja etc. I grew up in SC, did bachelors in NC and Ph.D. in Indiana, then left for Switzerland early 1984 after defending my thesis. From there it was a zig-zag course north through Europe, mostly in Germany, where I became a citizen in 2007, then since 2010 in Finland.
	🎷 4:08am Don in Tampere: ↳ fred @3:46 I had not heard of her, and when I first started looking I only found Italian cooking pages, and apparently she names herself after the cooking style. I'll see if I can find some of her music after the show. IT seems that she is no longer active.
	4:09am Jeremiah: I am trying to write a short paper on the psychology of American expats as opposed to immigrants to this country. There is not much literature about it that I can find.
	4:09am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:04 Love when my youtube chooses to head in his direction for me to wake up to… very inspiring
	4:10am LiXiviated Life: It’s now o’clocki
	4:10am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:09 Mad jazz musicians in this category. Musicians in general.
	🎷 4:12am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Eric the Hat @3:59 hello eric... hA! i'm half asleep....forgot to post since 4am... hi eric...
	🎷 4:13am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:06 thanks don...i am recalling some if this...
	🎷 4:14am tom tom the pipers son: of this..
	4:15am Toothgrinder Tom: I read that it was learning Finnish that inspired Tolkien to invent Elvish (which then lead to Lord Of The Rings as an exercise in giving the language and its variants their proper world).
	4:16am Jeremiah: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:10 Yeah but I want to talk about regular joes more than creative types I think. I dunno. I don't have a proper thesis yet tbh.
	4:19am fred: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:08 According to her bandcamp (cucinapovera.bandcamp.com) her last release was two years ago, so maybe it just takes time
	4:19am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:16 Word. Seems not so much a regular joe thing though. Besides for actual joes. Like soldiers who never came home…no?
	🎷 4:21am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:19 maybe for corporate joes
	4:22am Jeremiah: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:19 Yeah I dunno. There might be nothing there. I was just reading about psychoanalysis for immigrants to this country and wondering why immigration in the other direction is never examined because I'm sure the experience is very different for both the immigrant and the locals.
	🎷 4:24am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeremiah @4:22 the economic road that each emigrate on are very different i'd guess
	4:25am Eric the Hat: Yeah. I was thinking, regular joe is definitely relative I guess. To some, a regular joe may have degrees or specific skills and to others, a regular joe might be a broke laborer. I dunno
	🎷 4:28am tom tom the pipers son: bet there is not much information coming out of saudi arabia pertaining to immigrant psychoanalysis
	4:29am Jeremiah: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @4:24 Yeah well it's supposed to be about psychoanalysis so it would be about differences in the effect on the unconscious and exploring their attachment to their homeland. My theory is that Americans who immigrate are not nearly as attached to America as most people who immigrate to America are attached their motherland.
	4:29am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:22 Totally. Nobody’s really inviting our tired, poor wretched masses yearning to breathe free. Could be the reason. We were supposed to be the last stop. Lol
	4:30am Eric the Hat: Otherwise, I’d be on that shit. And would happily be analyzed for your cause.
	4:31am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:29 I think usually because they had to leave, as coming here was their only hope
	4:32am LiXiviated Life: It seems to me that no one understands themselves as regular Do they?
	4:32am fred: BTW, that choreographer could have a guest show on WFMU (some people couldn't stand the music and left, I felt right at home) There are two spotify playlists on the show's page (one for those that made it, one for shortlisted tracks) www.grip.house... (scroll down a bit)
	4:33am Eric the Hat: ↳ LiXiviated Life @4:32 I mean, if I’ve had my fiber…lol. Or when I walk into the bar and my drink is sitting at my seat by the time I get there.
	4:34am Jeremiah: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:31 That's why I want to look at people who just chose to immigrate and weren't forced out by economics or a war or persecution. And definitely after WWII when America became what it is. It might be weak tea though. i will think about it over the holiday.
	🎷 4:34am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeremiah @4:29 i think that's true, but isn't there an economic element to that in the way the poor frame theior communities where the middle classes would frame it differently, not having as close ties to their communities
	4:35am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:34 Ah. But I guess what I’m thinking is that if someone here chooses to leave, they’re in a position of privilege greater than the normal joe. But maybe I’m putting too much thought into it.
	4:37am Jeremiah: No it's true, but also most people who are getting psychoanalysis are in a position of privilege because they can afford psychoanalysis. So the immigrants to this country that I've read about are generally professionals with some money as well.
	🎷 4:38am Don in Tampere: ↳ Jeremiah @4:09 One thing that always annoys me is that people talk of ex-pats when it's about, mostly white, people from wealthy countries, and immigrants if they are from anywhere else.
	🎷 4:38am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Two Of You" by "Souled American" this has a weird melodicism i like
	🎷 4:40am Don in Tampere: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @3:51 The water temperature at Isle of Palms was 71 F, which people there think is too cold to swim, but which is about as warm as the lakes get here in the summer and felt great to me for a little round of body surfing. Most of the beaches here are either rocky or trees and grass pretty much up to the shore.
	🎷 4:41am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeremiah @4:37 i was assuming there were therapist at least to deal with the influx of immigration...it would have been wise for the government to do that...not gonna happen now
	4:41am Eric the Hat: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:38 Unless we’re talking about Irish Italian Slavs coming to America. Any time I hear expat, I think of Americans who’ve left here. Also, ex patriot implies one with nationalistic values in a weird way?
	4:43am Jeremiah: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:38 Right. This is what I mean as well-they only really study migrants moving from brown spaces into white spaces and rarely go the other way. Specifically with Americans as well. I think Americans are unique in that it's such a new country with such an outsize influence and presence as well as being such a hodgepodge of peoples with nothing like a stable national identity.
	4:43am Eric the Hat: I’m definitely overthinking this. Lol
	🎷 4:44am Don in Tampere: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @4:15 I read that too, but haven't gonre back to the books to see if I can identify any structural similarities. I think I read that he was really into the Kalevala (the national epic, compiled from folk tales by Elias Lönnrot in the 1800s - and by the way John Fahey referenced it in some of his liner notes too). I love the fact that the heroes of the national epic here are primarily magicians and musicians rather than warriors.
	🎷 4:44am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:40 oh 71 not too bad... interesting about the finish shore....i've been spotting posts of edvard munch's work who did a fair amount of painting of the norweigian landscape...i've recently become a fan of his work
	4:47am fred: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:41 I thought expat stood for expatriate originally and that "ex patriot" was a later derogative formation
	4:47am Jeremiah: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @4:41 I think it's very hard to get therapy as an indigent person in this country unless you are in florid violent psychosis and need to be taken off the street.
	🎷 4:47am tom tom the pipers son: i'd take a guess that the term ex-pat was coined in the 1920's... a la hemingway
	🎷 4:47am Don in Tampere: ↳ Jeremiah @4:16 I think that one of the most important things is that you view your home with different eyes. And sometimes ask yourself "how did I ever think that this is normal?"I'm happy to discuss with you if you want to. Just ping me.
	4:48am Eric the Hat: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @4:41 I think there were, but at a time when the science was not legit. I’ve read old papers about the lascivious nature of Slavic immigrants, from Ellis island. All kinds of weird shit. Back then they’d just drill a hole in yr head and water board you for a few months, then bury you on that other island…in those mass graves for the unknown.
	🎷 4:48am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ fred @4:47 i think you are correct
	4:48am Eric the Hat: ↳ fred @4:47 Yes. I m sure yr correct. That makes perfect sense.
	🎷 4:49am tom tom the pipers son: verb (used with object) , pa·tri·at·ed, pa·tri·at·ing. to transfer (legislation) to the authority of an autonomous country from its previous mother country.
	4:49am Toothgrinder Tom: In my experience ex-pats refer to people who have the freedom to come and go between their home and host countries as they please whereas immigrants maybe are more constrained by their finances or work obligations? Although there are certainly shades of gray here - it was not unusual for Italian ‘immigrant’ workers in the 1920s and 1930s in the US to return to Italy after making money here for a time.
	🎷 4:50am Don in Tampere: ↳ Jeremiah @4:29 That could be. Most Americans who move abroad do it by choice (though that could change in the next 4 years). That implies a certain degree of detachment. many who come to the US are leaving because of poverty, persecution, lack of opportunity etc. And some Germans I know who moved to the US for career reasons, but could have stayed in Germany comfortably, became super-Americans.
	4:50am Jeremiah: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:41 It's not ex patriot though, it's expatriate and it just means you have left your country of origin. It's the same as immigrating but immigration has taken on an air of refugeeism when deployed.
	4:50am Eric the Hat: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @4:47 Looked it up: The first use of the word “expat” was in a poem of the same name written by British poet D.J. Enright in 1962. The term was used at the time mostly to refer to Brits who were sent by their employees to British colonies for business purposes.
	🎷 4:51am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:50 oh, so recent
	4:52am Jeremiah: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:47 I think the website should have sent you my email if you want to just email me back yours. I would love to talk to you if I can figure out what exactly it is I'm writing about. This is the first academic paper I've written in over 20 years so I have no idea what I'm doing.
	4:54am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:50 For sure. My bad.
	4:55am fred: I think there's a viewpoint element too: someone who refers to themselves as an expat could be seen as an immigrant by people in the country they live in (though there's also a temporary shade to expat)
	🎷 4:55am tom tom the pipers son: @fred... thanks for teaching us english
	4:55am Jeremiah: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:47 Yes this is the impression I get. With distance, the US looks strange and foreign whereas coming from another country to the US there seems to be much more nostalgia and a desire to bring some of the mother country to the US.
	4:55am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @4:52 Dude! I don’t think the kids write papers anymore! lol
	🎷 4:57am Don in Tampere: ↳ Jeremiah @4:52 It did, and I've replied.
	4:57am Eric the Hat: ↳ Song: "Fuyu" by "Gozu Mezu" Rollah
	🎷 4:58am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeremiah @4:55 its also strange encountering other americans abroad...had the bizarre experience of listening to a father with his family talking on phone about thanksgiving to someone in the states while i was in the berlin zoo
	🎷 4:59am Don in Tampere: ↳ Eric the Hat @4:55 Might depend on the field. In the field I was in, science and engineering, the requirement to publish is stricter than when i was studying. I wrote a monograph from which three papers emerged later. Here they require 3-4 first-author, peer-reviewed publications before they can submit for pre-examination.
	🎷 5:02am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeremiah @4:55 different thing but many americans traveling abroad tend to bring american "culture" with them as a perch to view the country they are visiting
	5:04am Jeremiah: ↳ fred @4:55 Very true.
	5:05am Jeremiah: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:57 Awesome! Thank you! I'll be in touch.
	🎷 5:06am Spikey BXL: Good morning Jeremiah, lamentables
	🎷 5:09am tom tom the pipers son: have to get some sleep... later all
	5:09am Jeremiah: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @4:58 I kept getting mistaken for French in Paris. People kept asking me directions. I spoke enough French, but I never had any idea where I was haha. But speaking of Thanksgiving, I once went to a Thanksgiving in Brooklyn at a Polish friend's house and slowly realized that out of the 2 dozen people there, I was the only American. There were Poles, Tajiks, Russians, Kazakhs, Japanese, etc. But I as the only American at this very American holiday. Surreal moment.
	5:11am Jeremiah: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:02 Exactly-that's part of what I want to explore. It's a very small paper though (5-8 pp) so it will not get super-deep.
	5:12am Jeremiah: Morning Spikey. Night Tom.
	🎷 5:13am tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Jeremiah @5:09 that thanksgiving dinner sounds ideal...i was mistaken for a brit ingermany because when i spoke english to a german i would enunciate very clearly good night jeremiah
	5:14am Toothgrinder Tom: Tying everything up, I wonder what it’s like for a Canadian expat attending an American Thanksgiving (they have their own Thanksgiving holiday a few weeks earlier than ours and it’s supposed to be subtly different).
	🎷 5:15am Don in Tampere: ↳ Spikey BXL @5:06 better lamentable than deplorable.
	🎷 5:17am Spikey BXL: ↳ Don in Tampere @5:15 fully agree, hiya Don
	5:18am TDK60: Good morning, Jeremiah.
	5:19am LiXiviated Life: Turning the corner soon
	5:20am Jeremiah: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @5:14 Lol I'll do you one better-my good friend is a first generation Indian/Pakistani-Canadian living in Brooklyn. She does not care about our Thanksgiving.
	5:20am fred: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:02 There's also a weird mix of patriotism (driven in early I guess) and regionalism in Americans that might make them reluctant to think of themselves as transients anywhere else even after decades (by regionalism I mean referring to themselves as from the state they were born in, even though they left for college to another state and never went back)
	5:20am Jeremiah: Morning TDK
	5:21am ian: Great set
	5:21am Eric the Hat: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:59 It’s comforting to know actual education still exists in the world. The majority of humans don’t even know what peer review means. Everyone is born onto a soapbox these days, their words taken as facts by masses. Of course we know this.
	5:23am Toothgrinder Tom: @Jeremiah Thanksgiving is pretty low key in Canada (from what I’ve heard).
	5:24am Jeremiah: ↳ fred @5:20 Yeah it's huge mess of a country. It's funny, I was in the class this paper is for and we went around the class and talked about our immigration stories. Everyone else in the class is white. We realized at some point that my family, being descended from slaves and Native Americans, has been in this country longer than anyone else's in class. Yet, were I to move abroad, I'm pretty sure I would be considered less American in most places because I'm not white.
	5:25am Jeremiah: ↳ ian @5:21 Thanks! Glad you are enjoying it.
	5:26am TDK60: Ah, American patriotism. I've /never/ been into it.
	5:26am fred: ↳ Eric the Hat @5:21 Good for them about peer review, it's messy in practice (like a reviewer asking why some papers were not cited, blowing his secret identity in the process)
	5:27am Jeremiah: ↳ Toothgrinder Tom @5:23 Yeah she did not seem to care that much. She was just recalling growing up and as a kid wanting to eat the "white people food" of Thanksgiving instead of just more Indian food.
	5:28am Eric the Hat: ↳ Don in Tampere @4:59 Corporate interests and ridiculous racism have destroyed the education system here. Straight up. Save for the privileged. Education and health care and housing are commodities. I can’t even keep typing these words.
	5:29am fred: ↳ Jeremiah @5:24 I'm afraid you don't have to move abroad to find people who consider you less American
	5:30am Eric the Hat: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:02 Like clowns on stilts
	5:30am Eric the Hat: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @5:09 Night tom
	5:32am fred: ↳ Eric the Hat @5:28 We're taking the next step, we are all commodities to the tech oligarchs
	5:32am Jeremiah: ↳ fred @5:29 Facts. I mean it was my teacher who pointed out that I was, in fact, the most American person in the room. Even I have internalized the impulse to think of myself as less American despite the fact that the Blackfeet in my family means I'm the opposite of an immigrant really.
	5:33am Strandlund: Good Morning Jeremiah and everyone tuning in...
	5:34am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @5:09 Sounds rad! There should be a universal day of giving thanks outside of the weird pilgrim shit
	5:35am Jeremiah: Morning Stradlund
	5:38am fred: ↳ Jeremiah @5:32 Good teacher there, doing some extra teaching on the side
	🎷 5:40am Spikey BXL: Hiya Teeds, fred, Lix, Strand, Eric
	5:41am Eric the Hat: Thanks for the wonderful conversation guys. And thanks for the sick sound track Jeremiah.
	5:42am TDK60: ↳ Spikey BXL @5:40 Morning Spikey BXL.
	5:47am Jeremiah: ↳ Eric the Hat @5:41 Cheers! Thanks all for your insights. I will return to this thread as a source of inspiration over the next 3 weeks as I try to re-learn how to write.
	5:54am Eric the Hat: ↳ Jeremiah @5:47 Word. Didn’t mean to run my mouth, but these subjects are often on the mind…especially with the way shit is going these days. And I guess the way they’ve been going for some time. Thanks again.
	🎷 5:54am Don in Tampere: Thanks for a great show and some interesting discussions to all! I'm off to practice banjo and get my hands back up to speed for our punk version of Bella Ciao.
	5:56am Jeremiah: have a Good show!
	5:57am fred: ↳ Jeremiah @4:50 Going back to an earlier comment, I don't get why refugees are seen as anything but a compliment. I mean, living in a place of refuge means that country is doing something right (though maybe by right I mean left, politics are confusing)
	5:57am Strandlund: Thanks Jeremiah!!
	5:58am Strandlund: ↳ Spikey BXL @5:40 Hello Spikey!!
	5:58am TDK60: Gracias, Jeremiah.
	5:59am Eric the Hat: ↳ fred @5:57 For real

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