WFMU: If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from September 25, 2024

Listener comments!
	🥁 10:02pm tom tom the pipers son: howdy sam and all...nice image!
	🥁 10:03pm Bobby: Left my watch with the horse, how late is it?
	10:03pm Sam Segal: Heya, Tom Tom! Thought it was a pretty cool landscape. I like the blue thing in the lower right corner.
	10:03pm Carmichael: Sam, folks <nods head>
	10:04pm coelacanth∅: greetings Sam, centaurs
	10:04pm Sam Segal: ↳ Bobby @10:03 Bobby…I’m not sure how to break this to you…but it might be, well…later than you think.
	10:04pm Sam Segal: ↳ Carmichael @10:03 Nods vigorously
	10:05pm Sam Segal: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:04 Howdy, Coel!
	10:05pm zzz: howdy DJ SS and folks. got me groovin ✌️
	10:09pm Sam Segal: Good to see ya locked in and grooving, zzz!
	🥁 10:10pm Manta: hello!!
	10:12pm Sam Segal: Manta in the house!
	🥁 10:12pm WR: Springfield Ohio in the house. Yes, that is sorta bad taste.
	10:13pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @10:12 It is why Haiti was on my mind. Welcome, WR!
	10:13pm zzz: i was tasked with making a playlist for a party happening saturday afternoon and i might have to hit 'em with some of these here haiti jammers
	🥁 10:14pm Manta: ↳ Sam Segal @10:12 Had to take some Benadryl to deal with some hay fever so definitely locked in for these grooves too.
	10:15pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @10:13 Do it to ‘em, zzz.
	10:16pm Sam Segal: ↳ Manta @10:14 Damn, if I’d known you would be on Benadryl, I would’ve put together a chopped and screwed set.
	🥁 10:20pm tom tom the pipers son: i remember conan o'brien did a bit in haiti that was pretty good with interviews with people who were critical of u.s....obviously, but o'brien let them speak...irc
	🥁 10:21pm WR: ↳ Sam Segal @10:13 A year ago there were articles about cities like Dayton Ohio and Louisville Kentucky (and probably same thing happening in Springfield) where the cities were doing outreach to encourage immigrants, ease them into the community. A needed influx of people wanting and able to work. Set them up to be a target. Sad.
	10:23pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:20 i saw that!
	10:23pm drowsy: SAME! I have no roll game. My Norwegian inlaws try to make me say 'smør' all the time....
	🥁 10:24pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @10:23 pretty good, right....probably better than what cnn would do
	🥁 10:24pm WR: ↳ Manta @10:14 Just took my dose of diphenhydramine HCI and guaifenesin to help me make it through the night.
	10:25pm drowsy: I think the Springfield residents are suing for damages, which is righteous.
	10:25pm zzz: ↳ Song: "Promesa de Monserrate" by "Gato e' Monte & Felipe... reminding me i was so pleased to see a piece on Meridian Brothers in this weeks new yorker. havent read it yet
	10:25pm Sam Segal: ↳ drowsy @10:23 There’s gotta be a way we can train our tongues to do this. There’s GOT TO BE!
	10:25pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @10:25 Oh woah I hadn’t seen that. Gotta check it out. They deserve to be one of the biggest bands in the world!
	10:26pm northguineahills: the pic above is now part of the brooklyn bridge park...
	🥁 10:26pm tom tom the pipers son: i'm taking benedryl also for an allergic reaction to medication
	10:26pm drowsy: ↳ Sam Segal @10:25 I shudder to think.. It probably involves electroconvulsive therapy. I'd do it if there was a money-back guarantee.
	10:27pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @10:25 i came naturally for me, even before i knew spanish....
	10:27pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @10:26 I wonder if they knocked down that building on the right when they built the park.
	10:28pm Sam Segal: ↳ drowsy @10:26 I didn’t know Norwegian involved rolled Rs.
	🥁 10:28pm WR: ↳ Sam Segal @10:25 I bet there are some youtube vids to tutor us lazy tongue folks to roll.
	10:29pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @10:27 nothing is there anymore from back then (just an new condo bldg w/ retail on the bottom floor east of the park)
	10:30pm drowsy: ↳ Sam Segal @10:28 I think the Oslo side does it more than the Bergen side, but I can't even hang with the westies...
	10:31pm drowsy: ↳ northguineahills @10:27 NGH - mad jealous. It's like there's a circuit breaker that popped.
	10:31pm Sam Segal: ↳ drowsy @10:30 What are the Western Norwegians like in your experience?
	10:32pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Sam Segal @10:25 i have no trouble with the tongue roll and it's variations but 've never been able to do that germanic choking-sound thing
	🥁 10:33pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @10:29 almost looks like a penned in area for swimming in the middleground? could that be?
	10:34pm doctorjazz: Quick hi, here for a bit
	10:35pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "No, Don't Follow Fashion" by "African Head Charge" This is cool!
	10:35pm drowsy: ↳ Sam Segal @10:31 Pretty chill, in my small sample size. I'd say Oslo:Bergen :: Boston : Ann Arbor. I say that as a fan of all four
	10:36pm Sam Segal: ↳ doctorjazz @10:34 Doc, good to see ya!
	10:37pm drowsy: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:32 Don't even get me started on ululation or glottal stops. I'm trash tier.
	10:38pm drowsy: Grew up in Boston where you didn't need as many R's, and vowels were also reduced.
	10:39pm Sam Segal: ↳ drowsy @10:38 I grew up in the very Norwegian state of Minnesota, so I’ve got no excuse, apparently.
	🥁 10:40pm tom tom the pipers son: hey adams indicted...yeah
	10:41pm still b/p: ↳ drowsy @10:38 We MA natives did need sufficient Rs on hand, though, for the extra insertions: "Did you see that? I sawrrit."
	10:41pm zzz: ↳ drowsy @10:38 recently saw the Simpson's episode where Mayor Quimby's nephew almost kills someone because they cant "Chowdah"
	10:42pm northguineahills: ↳ zzz @10:41 this one? frinkiac.com...
	10:43pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:33 i think that area is filled in now...
	10:43pm drowsy: ↳ zzz @10:41 I almost got killed when I got to Chicago and all my new and large Nebraska friends got tired of asking me to repeat what I'd said...
	10:43pm coelacanth∅: ↳ drowsy @10:37 haha! i'm a ululator going way back! and used to be an almost passable yodeler but i may've lost that. (i could whistle-yodel too)
	10:43pm zzz: ↳ northguineahills @10:42 hilarious. yesss
	🥁 10:44pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @10:43 yeah sure, but then...swimming in east river?
	10:44pm northguineahills: ↳ drowsy @10:31 i used to roll my tongue as a kid for no reason. not sure why. (not Rs, just for noise)
	🥁 10:44pm tom tom the pipers son: mayor eric adams indicted on corruption charges
	10:44pm drowsy: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:43 I salute all those skills, for real.
	10:45pm Carmichael: He he, try moving from Ireland to California. People didn’t know wtf I was saying.
	🥁 10:45pm WR: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:44 Yes, just saw that he was served but the details are not available yet.
	10:45pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Carmichael @10:45 but they still probably Loved to hear you speak!
	10:45pm Sam Segal: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:44 Oh wow! You just broke this news to me.
	10:46pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Theme De Yoyo" by "Etienne Jaumet" theme de yoyo!
	10:46pm drowsy: yeah tom tom
	10:46pm zzz: ↳ Song: "Theme De Yoyo" by "Etienne Jaumet" HIP!!
	10:47pm doctorjazz: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:44 Just got An email about this from the NY Times
	10:47pm drowsy: ↳ Carmichael @10:45 I would ask you to repeat things bc I'd love it.
	10:47pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @10:46 This record’s great. All avant jazz covers.
	🥁 10:48pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ WR @10:45 he's been investigated for illegal calpaign funding i believe, maybe tied to that
	10:48pm doctorjazz: Bass reminds me of an early Art Ensemble tune
	10:48pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:44 it used to be a series of piers. what you see in the background is part of an L shaped pier for small watercraft.
	🥁 10:49pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:48 campaign
	10:49pm northguineahills: ↳ doctorjazz @10:48 b/c it is an art ensemble cover....
	10:49pm chresti: I used to cross 2 fingers and stick my tongue where the fingers intercept to make it feel like I have a forked tongue
	10:50pm zzz: ↳ Sam Segal @10:47 very cool, bookmarking the bandcamp to revisit etiennejaumet.bandcamp.com...
	🥁 10:50pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @10:48 right... was kinda thinking that too.makes more sense
	10:51pm doctorjazz: ↳ northguineahills @10:49 I didn't remember the name of the tune (Genya Ravan/10 Wheel Drive borrowed the bass line as well)
	10:52pm chresti: ↳ northguineahills @10:44 tongue tricks
	10:52pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "[untitled]" by "Lawrence" l love this album! it sort goes into a post-rock meets minimal techno directions at time..
	10:53pm drowsy: This set is good energy for this hour, thanks Sam.
	10:54pm northguineahills: ↳ doctorjazz @10:51 so did jagga jazzist horns w/ motorpsycho.... (the first version i heard)
	10:54pm Sam Segal: ↳ drowsy @10:53 Glad you’re digging it, drowsy.
	10:54pm coelacanth∅: ↳ chresti @10:52 "Tonight on David Letterman: Stupid Tongue Tricks" ... seems like it might get a bit steamy in the studio
	10:55pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @10:52 Just discovering Lawrence! I really want to dig more into his discography. Love this album.
	10:57pm zzz: ↳ drowsy @10:53 agreed!
	10:57pm spodiodi: greetings, Sam! have been listening and digging since the beginning
	10:58pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:54 french is easy to read, not too hard to pronounce. but hard to understand when spoken. german is easish, but damn, the grammar is very hard!
	🥁 10:58pm tom tom the pipers son: french....german is really difficult to learn
	10:59pm spodiodi: french;
	10:59pm zzz: portuguese
	10:59pm northguineahills: ↳ northguineahills @10:58 (german isn't too hard to understand when spoken imho)
	10:59pm chresti: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:54 my tongue trick would require a close-up of the fingers on the tongue
	10:59pm drowsy: l'ocho?
	11:00pm arlo: huit (8)
	11:00pm coelacanth∅: german! because it's less common in the states -more useless. + it's harder, so more impressive
	11:00pm chresti: whoo-eat
	🥁 11:00pm Bobby: I know I hear the track that got sampled on Meat Grinder!
	11:00pm coelacanth∅: ↳ spodiodi @10:57 aloha spodiodi!
	11:00pm Carmichael: Took 4 years of German in high school. Don’t know a lick of French. I think French is more useful in the world.
	11:00pm Oxidized: Whichever cuisine you like better -- whichever it would be handy to read on a restaurant menu.
	🥁 11:01pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @10:58 and germans are more forgiving with "auslanders" trying to speak the language than the french
	11:01pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:00 it used to be very common in the states. now outside of few places in the midwest and texas, it's rare...
	11:01pm doctorjazz: French is so pretty sounding, German is so harsh sounding...French is my vote.
	11:01pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:01 i found that out firsthand in paris...
	11:02pm drowsy: If your electronics and robotics manuals are all in German, then do that.
	11:02pm chresti: Sam if you speak any Swedish, then German
	11:02pm coelacanth∅: ↳ zzz @10:59 i like zzz's suggestion: portuguese
	11:03pm Sam Segal: ↳ Bobby @11:00 Yessir!
	11:03pm northguineahills: ↳ chresti @11:02 if you know german, you just have to get drunk, and stick a potato in your mouth speak swedish. for danish, two potatos...
	11:03pm Sam Segal: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:00 See, I think this is what’s drawing me to German. The contrarian in me.
	11:04pm coelacanth∅: ↳ northguineahills @11:01 yeah...french seems almost ubiquitous -like spanish
	11:04pm Sam Segal: ↳ chresti @11:00 But then if I learned French, I’d be impressive like Chresti!
	11:04pm northguineahills: ↳ zzz @10:59 for portuguese, if you know spanish, just affect a russian accent (and also get drunk)
	11:04pm Sam Segal: ↳ spodiodi @10:57 Ahoy, Spodi!
	11:05pm arlo: howdy, sam & lost horse folk. lurking on & off in the field
	11:05pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:04 and french is still spoken natively in the US, mostly in northern maine, and if you count cajun and creole dialects.
	11:06pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @10:58 This echoes a lot of sentiment I’ve read online. It’s a tough trade off. I understand German grammar is more systematic (difficult system), whereas French is somewhat easier grammatically but has lots of irregular things happening that you just have to memorize.
	11:06pm northguineahills: ↳ northguineahills @11:05 (not to be confused w/ haitian kreol.
	11:06pm coelacanth∅: learning a chinese language (cantonese, probably?) seems useful for when you buy complicated things made in china, to understand the manuals!
	11:06pm drowsy: ↳ northguineahills @11:05 I was going to say... Canada is right there, might be fun to speak French there.
	11:06pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @10:59 Based on your experience in Portugal…would it be extremely cool to speak Portuguese? I feel like of course it would…
	11:07pm zzz: ↳ northguineahills @11:04 was just in portugal and this captures the accent for a lot of ppl i heard
	11:07pm Sam Segal: ↳ arlo @11:00 Merci, Arlo!
	11:07pm doctorjazz: Still working on my English...
	11:07pm Sam Segal: ↳ Oxidized @11:00 Now based on this advice, I’d have to go with French.
	11:08pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:06 tonal languages are really hard. thankfully, japanese is not a tonal language. its grammar is not too hard, but it's very different from english.
	11:08pm drowsy: New Hampshire has Bienvenue on their signs, it's calling you northwards towards francophonie
	11:08pm northguineahills: ↳ doctorjazz @11:07 as am i!
	11:08pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @11:03 Oh wow…so German is kind of a three-for-one deal. See that’s compelling!
	11:08pm Sam Segal: ↳ arlo @11:05 Thanks for stepping up to the plate, Arlo!
	11:08pm spodiodi: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:00 aloha, coelacanthØ!
	11:09pm northguineahills: ↳ drowsy @11:06 they've spoken french there since before there was a united states... (northern maine)
	11:09pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Sam Segal @11:07 i'm not so sure i like either french or german food much. ...sauerkraut... that's about it!
	11:09pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:06 now, if you really want to twist your mind around something, try a tonal language that uses a latin alphabet (vietnamese)
	11:10pm Sam Segal: ↳ drowsy @11:08 I have been wanting to do a road trip to Quebec…
	11:10pm drowsy: OK, speaking of mouthy sounds, with French you get to use raspberry sounds as legit communication, that's cool.
	11:10pm doctorjazz: Was in Denmark this summer, and watching a danish show (Borgen). Thr language does sound very Germanic.
	11:10pm coelacanth∅: ↳ northguineahills @11:08 i like hearing the japanese language a lot
	11:10pm Sam Segal: This is all very ambitious when I can’t even roll my Rs.
	11:11pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @11:08 (and norweigian [i find that easier than swedish if you know german]) now icelandic, is impenetrable. it's basically old norse w/ a few updates.
	11:11pm coelacanth∅: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:10 (the chinese ones not so much)
	11:11pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @11:11 You speak a lot of languages, NGH.
	🥁 11:12pm WR: Depends on your purpose. If you just want to be able to reasonably pronounce, you should be able to do both. if you want to be conversational or read text, for either, it is a commitment. The choice would then be the one which are you likely to be have the most reinforcement. As a youth, I was thinking of learning German because so many early translations of Asian text, traditions, were done to German first. Also want to see if I could make better progress with Hegel and Heidegger in the original language. Never happened. but anyway, for success, I think you need to consider what conditions you would be able to draw on to help you immerse.
	11:12pm coelacanth∅: ↳ arlo @11:05 'evening arlo
	🥁 11:13pm tom tom the pipers son: @coelacanthe:re: gastric "brain" i think your argument was based on a mind body split which is foundational to artificial intelligence propaghanda which you loathe.....you dropped convo...
	11:13pm coelacanth∅: ↳ northguineahills @11:09 i want to hear extensive samples of every asian language, one after another. this is fascinating
	11:14pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @11:12 I think it would be fun to read German literature…but that does require you to get to a level of mastery that would be tougher than French, where I do think there would be more opportunities to speak the language here in NY. Alternatively, I should probably just learn Spanish.
	11:14pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @11:11 only two fluently. french and german and japanese can be passable. but i can id most languages just by lisening, and i know the vocab of many languages. reading a language (in a latin alphabet/or transliteration thereof) is easy, listening, takes a lot of effort, speaking is very hard for me....
	11:14pm drowsy: ↳ northguineahills @11:09 True. And it lasted a while. I think you could hear Mass in french in Worcester up until the '80s. (I have some Acadian in me somewhere.)
	11:14pm doctorjazz: Missed Sweden this summer (family was there, had my infamous passport snafu), will get there next summer (and visit Copenhagen again, really liked that city)
	🥁 11:14pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Sam Segal @11:14 spanish is a great idea and probably most useful
	11:15pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:13 korean and japanese are closely related, but drifted apart about 2.5k years ago. grammatically similar, but I only know a few words and phrases in korean.
	11:17pm northguineahills: all of the chinese dialects (really, there own languages, there over a dozen), is really hard, as they are not mutually understandable, but since they use the same characters for everything, anyone in china can communicate w/ anyone else.
	🥁 11:17pm tom tom the pipers son: spanish you can get daily use from, not just when you are a tourist
	11:17pm drowsy: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:13 gastric "brain" is the thing to which I assign credit when I find myself at a red light I did not recall stopping for.... what else could it be?
	11:18pm drowsy: oh yeah, totally ready for a Horsey jazz set
	🥁 11:18pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ drowsy @11:17 anal brain...?
	11:18pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Sam Segal @11:14 not to say your wrong, but it seems to me good translations of german writing is easy, common because of the similarities of english & german. for me, personally, it'd be more useful to be able to read spanish and russian - where i think a lot of meaning is lost with poor translations
	11:19pm doctorjazz: Being able to use a language regularly is the only way to become at all fluent. I took Yiddish closed agrees ago, but aside from learning how the alphabetn works, never was able to converse, because people to converse with are few.
	11:19pm drowsy: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:18 the gut, anyways.
	11:20pm Sam Segal: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:18 I could be wrong but I just imagine German as this language where a lot of meaning gets lost in translation. They’ve got all these words that don’t have a direct English counterpart…but may be that’s overstated.
	11:20pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Moveable Do (La-La Bémol)" by "Anna Webber with ... Weber is playing in the NY area soon (I think with this trio, also other configurations)
	🥁 11:20pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ drowsy @11:19 did you see thread on bodega pop?
	11:21pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Sam Segal @11:20 yes... thinking further i think you're absolutely correct.
	11:21pm drowsy: ↳ doctorjazz @11:19 I took ancient Hebrew in college bc 1) really wanted to try a non roman alpha on for size 2) when I stared at Hebrew it did not do the Looney Tunes thing of morphing into English 3) dead language, no oral exams.
	11:21pm Sam Segal: ↳ doctorjazz @11:20 Jazz Gallery tomorrow!
	11:21pm coelacanth∅: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:21 (i think i've been lucky with my Hesse translations)
	11:21pm drowsy: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:20 yep
	11:22pm zzz: ↳ Song: "Moveable Do (La-La Bémol)" by "Anna Webber with ... aaaaahhhh this is killller
	11:22pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @11:22 Killer band.
	🥁 11:22pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Sam Segal @11:20 depends where in germany you go but, in berlin you can get by with rudimentary german and most berliners speak english
	🥁 11:23pm WR: ↳ Sam Segal @11:14 At one point I could read Spanish passibly with some dictionary help. Never got beyond very very basic conversational. It would take some effort to get back to that. And my orientation due to marriage changed to Japanese. After 35 years still very much a beginner with Japanese. Haven't made the needed commitment of one or more hours a day, 6 days a week of study plus regular consumption of movies/tv/music for the extended time it takes to really make progress. My family members lost patience with me years ago.
	11:24pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @11:23 1 hour a day + is quite a commitment. I think going to France made me feel some humiliation about being monolingual. Got me fantasizing…
	🥁 11:25pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Sam Segal @11:24 zee french zay are a funny race...
	11:25pm doctorjazz: Ok, gonna go, night all, thanks Sam!
	11:26pm zzz: gotta jet, loved the show tonight thanks much DJ SS, goodnight ppl
	11:28pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:13 you are incorrect. it wasn't an argument, it was criticism of a doctor using childish and misleading terminology to a patient. i understand the analogy. and i understand that such a statement relieves the patient of any sense of responsibility to what their body is doing. this i consider immoral, if not ill-informed.
	11:28pm coelacanth∅: 'night, zzzzzzzzzz
	🥁 11:29pm WR: ↳ Sam Segal @11:24 That's what it takes to actually learn a language. On the other hand, most places you go, being polite and being able to say some reasonably accurate pronounced catch phrases usually goes a long way as a traveller.
	11:29pm northguineahills: ↳ zzz @11:26 night zzzzz!
	11:31pm northguineahills: Finnish, good luck. I just know how to curse in Finnish....
	11:33pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @11:29 I should stay humble and satisfy myself with that approach perhaps.
	11:33pm Sam Segal: Adios, zzz and Doc!
	🥁 11:34pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:28 i don't see it that way. i think your looking at the body in a mechanistic cartesian way
	11:34pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:34 nope.
	🥁 11:36pm WR: For pronunciation of artists & titles, you can plug the text into an internet tool. It is about 80-90% spot on. Jan Turkenberg on the Sheena stream speaks Dutch, English, basic French (he lived in France a few years) and a smattering of German. He fakes his way with Spanish but with other languages he uses the internet tool. Sometimes he plays the internet tool over the air. Most times he uses it to prep himself before he back announces.
	🥁 11:36pm tom tom the pipers son: by saying the gut has a brain in no way implies that it exempts you from being pro active about your health
	🥁 11:38pm tom tom the pipers son: i think what the doctor was implying was a decentralized functioning of the body akin to holistic medicine
	11:41pm arlo: missed the Tomutonttu ja Lehtisalo! just discovered that record & planning to give beaucoup airtime
	11:42pm Sam Segal: ↳ arlo @11:41 It’s wonderfully fried.
	11:43pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:36 it's a romanticised and 100% incorrect statement. he/she's a doctor, not a poet, and should be communicating in factual terms. i don't see how in any way that statement can be interpreted to imply a holistic approach. quite the contrary, it implies that the gut is it's own entity.
	11:43pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @11:36 I should definitely do this more.
	🥁 11:43pm tom tom the pipers son: well actually, in the first place i just thought it was a fun anecdote, and don't want to be put in a positionwher i'm defending some doctgor
	🥁 11:44pm Bobby: ↳ Sam Segal @11:33 The first time I went to Paris I was totally out of my depth and clueless. The humiliation motivated me to do something like what WR wrote. Now when I travel I try to fight my way through learning a few basic phrases before I go, watch for cues and norms/be polite when I get there, and people have been mostly cool and nice
	11:45pm Sam Segal: ↳ Bobby @11:44 Luckily, my girlfriend put in more effort in advance than I did, so she could lead a lot of interactions in very basic French. Will definitely be joining her in the prep before we travel anywhere else where English isn’t the first language.
	🥁 11:46pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:43 @ 11:43...but i'm beginning to come around to your point of view
	🥁 11:46pm Bobby: ↳ Sam Segal @11:45 Or just travel with her!
	11:47pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @11:45 Luckily, most places in Europe speak English. I tripped over my german a lot in germany. only older people couldn't speak english.
	🥁 11:47pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @11:47 is that in berlin mostly
	11:47pm Sam Segal: ↳ Bobby @11:46 But I did feel slightly odd standing off to the side saying nothing during every interaction.
	11:48pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:47 and frankfurt (and a train ride outside of berline as well). that's the only places in germany i've been
	🥁 11:50pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @11:48 i was in nuremberg... didn't seem like many english speakers
	🥁 11:50pm Bobby: ↳ Sam Segal @11:47 My big wins are hello, goodbye, please, thank you, coffee, and may I speak English. Then I am usually out of moves
	11:50pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:50 even the kurdish/turkish-germans in berlin spoke english.
	11:51pm spodiodi: ↳ Bobby @11:50 haha i love your menu, Bobby
	🥁 11:51pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @11:48 that's frankfurt am, a different frankfurt than the one more west
	🥁 11:51pm Bobby: ↳ spodiodi @11:51 It’s an honest but limited effort haha
	🥁 11:52pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @11:50 right i remember at the doner kebab places
	11:52pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:51 the one in kentucky?
	🥁 11:52pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @11:52 no frankfurt is far from berlin
	11:53pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:52 yeah, it's just a few hours train ride to berlin.
	🥁 11:53pm Manta: Thanks, Sam!!
	🥁 11:53pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks sam....
	11:54pm northguineahills: happy thanks, sam!
	11:54pm spodiodi: thanks, Sam!!
	🥁 11:54pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @11:53 frankfurt am main is just outside berlin
	🥁 11:56pm Bobby: Oh it’s this time already? Thanks for the show, Sam. See you around, fellow listeners
	🥁 11:57pm Bobby: Bonne nuit!
	11:57pm drowsy: thank you Sam, and fellow horseradishes
	🥁 11:57pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:54 when you said "a train ride out of berlin" it confused me
	🥁 11:58pm Bobby: Un café
	11:59pm coelacanth∅: "where's a toilet?" no?
	11:59pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:57 multiple trains different days...
	🥁 12:00am tom tom the pipers son: wo ist the toiletten.... toiletten left over from napoleon in germant
	12:01am coelacanth∅: Thanks Sam!
	12:02am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @12:00 scheiße!
	🥁 12:21am WR: Thank you, Sam. 音楽はありがとうございました。 On-gaku wa arigatougozaimashita. Music, as for, thank you very much.
	12:23am chresti: Thanks Sam!

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September 25, 2024: Horse / Bag / Rose / Bush

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Bossa Combo	Qui Mele'm "Qui Mele'm" by "Bossa Combo"	Te Quiero	Marc	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Les Diables Bleus Du Cap Haitien	Deception	Haiti	Tam Tam	0:08:54 (Pop-up)
Les Leopards	Imprevu "Imprevu" by "Les Leopards"	8° Anniversaire	Hit Parade	0:14:41 (Pop-up)

Gato e' Monte & Felipe Orjuela	Promesa de Monserrate	LA DOSIS MÁXIMA	In Correcto	0:22:36 (Pop-up)
Etienne Jaumet	Unity (DJ Sotofett's Unity Dub)	7"	Versatile	0:26:44 (Pop-up)
African Head Charge	No, Don't Follow Fashion	Drumming Is a Language (1990-2011)	On-U Sound	0:30:03 (Pop-up)
Château Flight	Allô? "Allô?" by "Château Flight"	La Folie Studio	Versatile	0:38:15 (Pop-up)
Palais Schaumburg	Ahoi, Nicht Traurig Sein	Palais Schaumburg	Virgin	0:41:38 (Pop-up)
Etienne Jaumet	Theme De Yoyo "Theme De Yoyo" by "Etienne Jaumet"	8 Regards Obliques	Versatile	0:44:39 (Pop-up)
Lawrence	[untitled] "[untitled]" by "Lawrence"	Teaser	Kompakt	0:50:29 (Pop-up)

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Jan Esbra	Eternally Recurring "Eternally Recurring" by "Jan Esbra"	Temporary Objects	Self-Released	1:02:34 (Pop-up)
H TO O	Inflation "Inflation" by "H TO O"	Cycle	Wisdom Teeth	1:06:47 (Pop-up)
Tomutonttu ja Lehtisalo	Muinaisten vitsausten hylly	Tomutonttu ja Lehtisalo	VHF	1:12:13 (Pop-up)
Anna Webber with Matt Mitchell and John Hollenbeck	Moveable Do (La-La Bémol)	simpletrio2000	Intakt	1:17:45 (Pop-up)
Anni Kiviniemi Trio	Tiu Dropar "Tiu Dropar" by "Anni Kiviniemi Trio"	Eir	We Jazz	1:22:47 (Pop-up)

Johnny Chang & Keir GoGwilt with Celeste Oram	Who Follows Me = Qui Sequitur Me	Hope Lies Fallow	Another Timbre	1:32:38 (Pop-up)
Anthony Cheung, Miranda Cuckson	III. Nocturne. Half-Remembered	Anthony Cheung: All Roads	New Focus	1:43:52 (Pop-up)
Andrew West	Olivier Messiaen: XI Première communion de la Vierge From 20 Regards sur l’Enfant Jesus	Project Paloma IV: Second World War Masterpieces for flute & piano	Zefirrecords	1:49:30 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🥁 10:02pm tom tom the pipers son: howdy sam and all...nice image!
	🥁 10:03pm Bobby: Left my watch with the horse, how late is it?
	10:03pm Sam Segal: Heya, Tom Tom! Thought it was a pretty cool landscape. I like the blue thing in the lower right corner.
	10:03pm Carmichael: Sam, folks <nods head>
	10:04pm coelacanth∅: greetings Sam, centaurs
	10:04pm Sam Segal: ↳ Bobby @10:03 Bobby…I’m not sure how to break this to you…but it might be, well…later than you think.
	10:04pm Sam Segal: ↳ Carmichael @10:03 Nods vigorously
	10:05pm Sam Segal: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:04 Howdy, Coel!
	10:05pm zzz: howdy DJ SS and folks. got me groovin ✌️
	10:09pm Sam Segal: Good to see ya locked in and grooving, zzz!
	🥁 10:10pm Manta: hello!!
	10:12pm Sam Segal: Manta in the house!
	🥁 10:12pm WR: Springfield Ohio in the house. Yes, that is sorta bad taste.
	10:13pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @10:12 It is why Haiti was on my mind. Welcome, WR!
	10:13pm zzz: i was tasked with making a playlist for a party happening saturday afternoon and i might have to hit 'em with some of these here haiti jammers
	🥁 10:14pm Manta: ↳ Sam Segal @10:12 Had to take some Benadryl to deal with some hay fever so definitely locked in for these grooves too.
	10:15pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @10:13 Do it to ‘em, zzz.
	10:16pm Sam Segal: ↳ Manta @10:14 Damn, if I’d known you would be on Benadryl, I would’ve put together a chopped and screwed set.
	🥁 10:20pm tom tom the pipers son: i remember conan o'brien did a bit in haiti that was pretty good with interviews with people who were critical of u.s....obviously, but o'brien let them speak...irc
	🥁 10:21pm WR: ↳ Sam Segal @10:13 A year ago there were articles about cities like Dayton Ohio and Louisville Kentucky (and probably same thing happening in Springfield) where the cities were doing outreach to encourage immigrants, ease them into the community. A needed influx of people wanting and able to work. Set them up to be a target. Sad.
	10:23pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:20 i saw that!
	10:23pm drowsy: SAME! I have no roll game. My Norwegian inlaws try to make me say 'smør' all the time....
	🥁 10:24pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @10:23 pretty good, right....probably better than what cnn would do
	🥁 10:24pm WR: ↳ Manta @10:14 Just took my dose of diphenhydramine HCI and guaifenesin to help me make it through the night.
	10:25pm drowsy: I think the Springfield residents are suing for damages, which is righteous.
	10:25pm zzz: ↳ Song: "Promesa de Monserrate" by "Gato e' Monte & Felipe... reminding me i was so pleased to see a piece on Meridian Brothers in this weeks new yorker. havent read it yet
	10:25pm Sam Segal: ↳ drowsy @10:23 There’s gotta be a way we can train our tongues to do this. There’s GOT TO BE!
	10:25pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @10:25 Oh woah I hadn’t seen that. Gotta check it out. They deserve to be one of the biggest bands in the world!
	10:26pm northguineahills: the pic above is now part of the brooklyn bridge park...
	🥁 10:26pm tom tom the pipers son: i'm taking benedryl also for an allergic reaction to medication
	10:26pm drowsy: ↳ Sam Segal @10:25 I shudder to think.. It probably involves electroconvulsive therapy. I'd do it if there was a money-back guarantee.
	10:27pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @10:25 i came naturally for me, even before i knew spanish....
	10:27pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @10:26 I wonder if they knocked down that building on the right when they built the park.
	10:28pm Sam Segal: ↳ drowsy @10:26 I didn’t know Norwegian involved rolled Rs.
	🥁 10:28pm WR: ↳ Sam Segal @10:25 I bet there are some youtube vids to tutor us lazy tongue folks to roll.
	10:29pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @10:27 nothing is there anymore from back then (just an new condo bldg w/ retail on the bottom floor east of the park)
	10:30pm drowsy: ↳ Sam Segal @10:28 I think the Oslo side does it more than the Bergen side, but I can't even hang with the westies...
	10:31pm drowsy: ↳ northguineahills @10:27 NGH - mad jealous. It's like there's a circuit breaker that popped.
	10:31pm Sam Segal: ↳ drowsy @10:30 What are the Western Norwegians like in your experience?
	10:32pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Sam Segal @10:25 i have no trouble with the tongue roll and it's variations but 've never been able to do that germanic choking-sound thing
	🥁 10:33pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @10:29 almost looks like a penned in area for swimming in the middleground? could that be?
	10:34pm doctorjazz: Quick hi, here for a bit
	10:35pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "No, Don't Follow Fashion" by "African Head Charge" This is cool!
	10:35pm drowsy: ↳ Sam Segal @10:31 Pretty chill, in my small sample size. I'd say Oslo:Bergen :: Boston : Ann Arbor. I say that as a fan of all four
	10:36pm Sam Segal: ↳ doctorjazz @10:34 Doc, good to see ya!
	10:37pm drowsy: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:32 Don't even get me started on ululation or glottal stops. I'm trash tier.
	10:38pm drowsy: Grew up in Boston where you didn't need as many R's, and vowels were also reduced.
	10:39pm Sam Segal: ↳ drowsy @10:38 I grew up in the very Norwegian state of Minnesota, so I’ve got no excuse, apparently.
	🥁 10:40pm tom tom the pipers son: hey adams indicted...yeah
	10:41pm still b/p: ↳ drowsy @10:38 We MA natives did need sufficient Rs on hand, though, for the extra insertions: "Did you see that? I sawrrit."
	10:41pm zzz: ↳ drowsy @10:38 recently saw the Simpson's episode where Mayor Quimby's nephew almost kills someone because they cant "Chowdah"
	10:42pm northguineahills: ↳ zzz @10:41 this one? frinkiac.com...
	10:43pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:33 i think that area is filled in now...
	10:43pm drowsy: ↳ zzz @10:41 I almost got killed when I got to Chicago and all my new and large Nebraska friends got tired of asking me to repeat what I'd said...
	10:43pm coelacanth∅: ↳ drowsy @10:37 haha! i'm a ululator going way back! and used to be an almost passable yodeler but i may've lost that. (i could whistle-yodel too)
	10:43pm zzz: ↳ northguineahills @10:42 hilarious. yesss
	🥁 10:44pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @10:43 yeah sure, but then...swimming in east river?
	10:44pm northguineahills: ↳ drowsy @10:31 i used to roll my tongue as a kid for no reason. not sure why. (not Rs, just for noise)
	🥁 10:44pm tom tom the pipers son: mayor eric adams indicted on corruption charges
	10:44pm drowsy: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:43 I salute all those skills, for real.
	10:45pm Carmichael: He he, try moving from Ireland to California. People didn’t know wtf I was saying.
	🥁 10:45pm WR: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:44 Yes, just saw that he was served but the details are not available yet.
	10:45pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Carmichael @10:45 but they still probably Loved to hear you speak!
	10:45pm Sam Segal: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:44 Oh wow! You just broke this news to me.
	10:46pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Theme De Yoyo" by "Etienne Jaumet" theme de yoyo!
	10:46pm drowsy: yeah tom tom
	10:46pm zzz: ↳ Song: "Theme De Yoyo" by "Etienne Jaumet" HIP!!
	10:47pm doctorjazz: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:44 Just got An email about this from the NY Times
	10:47pm drowsy: ↳ Carmichael @10:45 I would ask you to repeat things bc I'd love it.
	10:47pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @10:46 This record’s great. All avant jazz covers.
	🥁 10:48pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ WR @10:45 he's been investigated for illegal calpaign funding i believe, maybe tied to that
	10:48pm doctorjazz: Bass reminds me of an early Art Ensemble tune
	10:48pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:44 it used to be a series of piers. what you see in the background is part of an L shaped pier for small watercraft.
	🥁 10:49pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:48 campaign
	10:49pm northguineahills: ↳ doctorjazz @10:48 b/c it is an art ensemble cover....
	10:49pm chresti: I used to cross 2 fingers and stick my tongue where the fingers intercept to make it feel like I have a forked tongue
	10:50pm zzz: ↳ Sam Segal @10:47 very cool, bookmarking the bandcamp to revisit etiennejaumet.bandcamp.com...
	🥁 10:50pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @10:48 right... was kinda thinking that too.makes more sense
	10:51pm doctorjazz: ↳ northguineahills @10:49 I didn't remember the name of the tune (Genya Ravan/10 Wheel Drive borrowed the bass line as well)
	10:52pm chresti: ↳ northguineahills @10:44 tongue tricks
	10:52pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "[untitled]" by "Lawrence" l love this album! it sort goes into a post-rock meets minimal techno directions at time..
	10:53pm drowsy: This set is good energy for this hour, thanks Sam.
	10:54pm northguineahills: ↳ doctorjazz @10:51 so did jagga jazzist horns w/ motorpsycho.... (the first version i heard)
	10:54pm Sam Segal: ↳ drowsy @10:53 Glad you’re digging it, drowsy.
	10:54pm coelacanth∅: ↳ chresti @10:52 "Tonight on David Letterman: Stupid Tongue Tricks" ... seems like it might get a bit steamy in the studio
	10:55pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @10:52 Just discovering Lawrence! I really want to dig more into his discography. Love this album.
	10:57pm zzz: ↳ drowsy @10:53 agreed!
	10:57pm spodiodi: greetings, Sam! have been listening and digging since the beginning
	10:58pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:54 french is easy to read, not too hard to pronounce. but hard to understand when spoken. german is easish, but damn, the grammar is very hard!
	🥁 10:58pm tom tom the pipers son: french....german is really difficult to learn
	10:59pm spodiodi: french;
	10:59pm zzz: portuguese
	10:59pm northguineahills: ↳ northguineahills @10:58 (german isn't too hard to understand when spoken imho)
	10:59pm chresti: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:54 my tongue trick would require a close-up of the fingers on the tongue
	10:59pm drowsy: l'ocho?
	11:00pm arlo: huit (8)
	11:00pm coelacanth∅: german! because it's less common in the states -more useless. + it's harder, so more impressive
	11:00pm chresti: whoo-eat
	🥁 11:00pm Bobby: I know I hear the track that got sampled on Meat Grinder!
	11:00pm coelacanth∅: ↳ spodiodi @10:57 aloha spodiodi!
	11:00pm Carmichael: Took 4 years of German in high school. Don’t know a lick of French. I think French is more useful in the world.
	11:00pm Oxidized: Whichever cuisine you like better -- whichever it would be handy to read on a restaurant menu.
	🥁 11:01pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @10:58 and germans are more forgiving with "auslanders" trying to speak the language than the french
	11:01pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:00 it used to be very common in the states. now outside of few places in the midwest and texas, it's rare...
	11:01pm doctorjazz: French is so pretty sounding, German is so harsh sounding...French is my vote.
	11:01pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:01 i found that out firsthand in paris...
	11:02pm drowsy: If your electronics and robotics manuals are all in German, then do that.
	11:02pm chresti: Sam if you speak any Swedish, then German
	11:02pm coelacanth∅: ↳ zzz @10:59 i like zzz's suggestion: portuguese
	11:03pm Sam Segal: ↳ Bobby @11:00 Yessir!
	11:03pm northguineahills: ↳ chresti @11:02 if you know german, you just have to get drunk, and stick a potato in your mouth speak swedish. for danish, two potatos...
	11:03pm Sam Segal: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:00 See, I think this is what’s drawing me to German. The contrarian in me.
	11:04pm coelacanth∅: ↳ northguineahills @11:01 yeah...french seems almost ubiquitous -like spanish
	11:04pm Sam Segal: ↳ chresti @11:00 But then if I learned French, I’d be impressive like Chresti!
	11:04pm northguineahills: ↳ zzz @10:59 for portuguese, if you know spanish, just affect a russian accent (and also get drunk)
	11:04pm Sam Segal: ↳ spodiodi @10:57 Ahoy, Spodi!
	11:05pm arlo: howdy, sam & lost horse folk. lurking on & off in the field
	11:05pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:04 and french is still spoken natively in the US, mostly in northern maine, and if you count cajun and creole dialects.
	11:06pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @10:58 This echoes a lot of sentiment I’ve read online. It’s a tough trade off. I understand German grammar is more systematic (difficult system), whereas French is somewhat easier grammatically but has lots of irregular things happening that you just have to memorize.
	11:06pm northguineahills: ↳ northguineahills @11:05 (not to be confused w/ haitian kreol.
	11:06pm coelacanth∅: learning a chinese language (cantonese, probably?) seems useful for when you buy complicated things made in china, to understand the manuals!
	11:06pm drowsy: ↳ northguineahills @11:05 I was going to say... Canada is right there, might be fun to speak French there.
	11:06pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @10:59 Based on your experience in Portugal…would it be extremely cool to speak Portuguese? I feel like of course it would…
	11:07pm zzz: ↳ northguineahills @11:04 was just in portugal and this captures the accent for a lot of ppl i heard
	11:07pm Sam Segal: ↳ arlo @11:00 Merci, Arlo!
	11:07pm doctorjazz: Still working on my English...
	11:07pm Sam Segal: ↳ Oxidized @11:00 Now based on this advice, I’d have to go with French.
	11:08pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:06 tonal languages are really hard. thankfully, japanese is not a tonal language. its grammar is not too hard, but it's very different from english.
	11:08pm drowsy: New Hampshire has Bienvenue on their signs, it's calling you northwards towards francophonie
	11:08pm northguineahills: ↳ doctorjazz @11:07 as am i!
	11:08pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @11:03 Oh wow…so German is kind of a three-for-one deal. See that’s compelling!
	11:08pm Sam Segal: ↳ arlo @11:05 Thanks for stepping up to the plate, Arlo!
	11:08pm spodiodi: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:00 aloha, coelacanthØ!
	11:09pm northguineahills: ↳ drowsy @11:06 they've spoken french there since before there was a united states... (northern maine)
	11:09pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Sam Segal @11:07 i'm not so sure i like either french or german food much. ...sauerkraut... that's about it!
	11:09pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:06 now, if you really want to twist your mind around something, try a tonal language that uses a latin alphabet (vietnamese)
	11:10pm Sam Segal: ↳ drowsy @11:08 I have been wanting to do a road trip to Quebec…
	11:10pm drowsy: OK, speaking of mouthy sounds, with French you get to use raspberry sounds as legit communication, that's cool.
	11:10pm doctorjazz: Was in Denmark this summer, and watching a danish show (Borgen). Thr language does sound very Germanic.
	11:10pm coelacanth∅: ↳ northguineahills @11:08 i like hearing the japanese language a lot
	11:10pm Sam Segal: This is all very ambitious when I can’t even roll my Rs.
	11:11pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @11:08 (and norweigian [i find that easier than swedish if you know german]) now icelandic, is impenetrable. it's basically old norse w/ a few updates.
	11:11pm coelacanth∅: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:10 (the chinese ones not so much)
	11:11pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @11:11 You speak a lot of languages, NGH.
	🥁 11:12pm WR: Depends on your purpose. If you just want to be able to reasonably pronounce, you should be able to do both. if you want to be conversational or read text, for either, it is a commitment. The choice would then be the one which are you likely to be have the most reinforcement. As a youth, I was thinking of learning German because so many early translations of Asian text, traditions, were done to German first. Also want to see if I could make better progress with Hegel and Heidegger in the original language. Never happened. but anyway, for success, I think you need to consider what conditions you would be able to draw on to help you immerse.
	11:12pm coelacanth∅: ↳ arlo @11:05 'evening arlo
	🥁 11:13pm tom tom the pipers son: @coelacanthe:re: gastric "brain" i think your argument was based on a mind body split which is foundational to artificial intelligence propaghanda which you loathe.....you dropped convo...
	11:13pm coelacanth∅: ↳ northguineahills @11:09 i want to hear extensive samples of every asian language, one after another. this is fascinating
	11:14pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @11:12 I think it would be fun to read German literature…but that does require you to get to a level of mastery that would be tougher than French, where I do think there would be more opportunities to speak the language here in NY. Alternatively, I should probably just learn Spanish.
	11:14pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @11:11 only two fluently. french and german and japanese can be passable. but i can id most languages just by lisening, and i know the vocab of many languages. reading a language (in a latin alphabet/or transliteration thereof) is easy, listening, takes a lot of effort, speaking is very hard for me....
	11:14pm drowsy: ↳ northguineahills @11:09 True. And it lasted a while. I think you could hear Mass in french in Worcester up until the '80s. (I have some Acadian in me somewhere.)
	11:14pm doctorjazz: Missed Sweden this summer (family was there, had my infamous passport snafu), will get there next summer (and visit Copenhagen again, really liked that city)
	🥁 11:14pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Sam Segal @11:14 spanish is a great idea and probably most useful
	11:15pm northguineahills: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:13 korean and japanese are closely related, but drifted apart about 2.5k years ago. grammatically similar, but I only know a few words and phrases in korean.
	11:17pm northguineahills: all of the chinese dialects (really, there own languages, there over a dozen), is really hard, as they are not mutually understandable, but since they use the same characters for everything, anyone in china can communicate w/ anyone else.
	🥁 11:17pm tom tom the pipers son: spanish you can get daily use from, not just when you are a tourist
	11:17pm drowsy: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:13 gastric "brain" is the thing to which I assign credit when I find myself at a red light I did not recall stopping for.... what else could it be?
	11:18pm drowsy: oh yeah, totally ready for a Horsey jazz set
	🥁 11:18pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ drowsy @11:17 anal brain...?
	11:18pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Sam Segal @11:14 not to say your wrong, but it seems to me good translations of german writing is easy, common because of the similarities of english & german. for me, personally, it'd be more useful to be able to read spanish and russian - where i think a lot of meaning is lost with poor translations
	11:19pm doctorjazz: Being able to use a language regularly is the only way to become at all fluent. I took Yiddish closed agrees ago, but aside from learning how the alphabetn works, never was able to converse, because people to converse with are few.
	11:19pm drowsy: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:18 the gut, anyways.
	11:20pm Sam Segal: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:18 I could be wrong but I just imagine German as this language where a lot of meaning gets lost in translation. They’ve got all these words that don’t have a direct English counterpart…but may be that’s overstated.
	11:20pm doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Moveable Do (La-La Bémol)" by "Anna Webber with ... Weber is playing in the NY area soon (I think with this trio, also other configurations)
	🥁 11:20pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ drowsy @11:19 did you see thread on bodega pop?
	11:21pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Sam Segal @11:20 yes... thinking further i think you're absolutely correct.
	11:21pm drowsy: ↳ doctorjazz @11:19 I took ancient Hebrew in college bc 1) really wanted to try a non roman alpha on for size 2) when I stared at Hebrew it did not do the Looney Tunes thing of morphing into English 3) dead language, no oral exams.
	11:21pm Sam Segal: ↳ doctorjazz @11:20 Jazz Gallery tomorrow!
	11:21pm coelacanth∅: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:21 (i think i've been lucky with my Hesse translations)
	11:21pm drowsy: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:20 yep
	11:22pm zzz: ↳ Song: "Moveable Do (La-La Bémol)" by "Anna Webber with ... aaaaahhhh this is killller
	11:22pm Sam Segal: ↳ zzz @11:22 Killer band.
	🥁 11:22pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Sam Segal @11:20 depends where in germany you go but, in berlin you can get by with rudimentary german and most berliners speak english
	🥁 11:23pm WR: ↳ Sam Segal @11:14 At one point I could read Spanish passibly with some dictionary help. Never got beyond very very basic conversational. It would take some effort to get back to that. And my orientation due to marriage changed to Japanese. After 35 years still very much a beginner with Japanese. Haven't made the needed commitment of one or more hours a day, 6 days a week of study plus regular consumption of movies/tv/music for the extended time it takes to really make progress. My family members lost patience with me years ago.
	11:24pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @11:23 1 hour a day + is quite a commitment. I think going to France made me feel some humiliation about being monolingual. Got me fantasizing…
	🥁 11:25pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Sam Segal @11:24 zee french zay are a funny race...
	11:25pm doctorjazz: Ok, gonna go, night all, thanks Sam!
	11:26pm zzz: gotta jet, loved the show tonight thanks much DJ SS, goodnight ppl
	11:28pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:13 you are incorrect. it wasn't an argument, it was criticism of a doctor using childish and misleading terminology to a patient. i understand the analogy. and i understand that such a statement relieves the patient of any sense of responsibility to what their body is doing. this i consider immoral, if not ill-informed.
	11:28pm coelacanth∅: 'night, zzzzzzzzzz
	🥁 11:29pm WR: ↳ Sam Segal @11:24 That's what it takes to actually learn a language. On the other hand, most places you go, being polite and being able to say some reasonably accurate pronounced catch phrases usually goes a long way as a traveller.
	11:29pm northguineahills: ↳ zzz @11:26 night zzzzz!
	11:31pm northguineahills: Finnish, good luck. I just know how to curse in Finnish....
	11:33pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @11:29 I should stay humble and satisfy myself with that approach perhaps.
	11:33pm Sam Segal: Adios, zzz and Doc!
	🥁 11:34pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:28 i don't see it that way. i think your looking at the body in a mechanistic cartesian way
	11:34pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:34 nope.
	🥁 11:36pm WR: For pronunciation of artists & titles, you can plug the text into an internet tool. It is about 80-90% spot on. Jan Turkenberg on the Sheena stream speaks Dutch, English, basic French (he lived in France a few years) and a smattering of German. He fakes his way with Spanish but with other languages he uses the internet tool. Sometimes he plays the internet tool over the air. Most times he uses it to prep himself before he back announces.
	🥁 11:36pm tom tom the pipers son: by saying the gut has a brain in no way implies that it exempts you from being pro active about your health
	🥁 11:38pm tom tom the pipers son: i think what the doctor was implying was a decentralized functioning of the body akin to holistic medicine
	11:41pm arlo: missed the Tomutonttu ja Lehtisalo! just discovered that record & planning to give beaucoup airtime
	11:42pm Sam Segal: ↳ arlo @11:41 It’s wonderfully fried.
	11:43pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:36 it's a romanticised and 100% incorrect statement. he/she's a doctor, not a poet, and should be communicating in factual terms. i don't see how in any way that statement can be interpreted to imply a holistic approach. quite the contrary, it implies that the gut is it's own entity.
	11:43pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @11:36 I should definitely do this more.
	🥁 11:43pm tom tom the pipers son: well actually, in the first place i just thought it was a fun anecdote, and don't want to be put in a positionwher i'm defending some doctgor
	🥁 11:44pm Bobby: ↳ Sam Segal @11:33 The first time I went to Paris I was totally out of my depth and clueless. The humiliation motivated me to do something like what WR wrote. Now when I travel I try to fight my way through learning a few basic phrases before I go, watch for cues and norms/be polite when I get there, and people have been mostly cool and nice
	11:45pm Sam Segal: ↳ Bobby @11:44 Luckily, my girlfriend put in more effort in advance than I did, so she could lead a lot of interactions in very basic French. Will definitely be joining her in the prep before we travel anywhere else where English isn’t the first language.
	🥁 11:46pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @11:43 @ 11:43...but i'm beginning to come around to your point of view
	🥁 11:46pm Bobby: ↳ Sam Segal @11:45 Or just travel with her!
	11:47pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @11:45 Luckily, most places in Europe speak English. I tripped over my german a lot in germany. only older people couldn't speak english.
	🥁 11:47pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @11:47 is that in berlin mostly
	11:47pm Sam Segal: ↳ Bobby @11:46 But I did feel slightly odd standing off to the side saying nothing during every interaction.
	11:48pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:47 and frankfurt (and a train ride outside of berline as well). that's the only places in germany i've been
	🥁 11:50pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @11:48 i was in nuremberg... didn't seem like many english speakers
	🥁 11:50pm Bobby: ↳ Sam Segal @11:47 My big wins are hello, goodbye, please, thank you, coffee, and may I speak English. Then I am usually out of moves
	11:50pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:50 even the kurdish/turkish-germans in berlin spoke english.
	11:51pm spodiodi: ↳ Bobby @11:50 haha i love your menu, Bobby
	🥁 11:51pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @11:48 that's frankfurt am, a different frankfurt than the one more west
	🥁 11:51pm Bobby: ↳ spodiodi @11:51 It’s an honest but limited effort haha
	🥁 11:52pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @11:50 right i remember at the doner kebab places
	11:52pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:51 the one in kentucky?
	🥁 11:52pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @11:52 no frankfurt is far from berlin
	11:53pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:52 yeah, it's just a few hours train ride to berlin.
	🥁 11:53pm Manta: Thanks, Sam!!
	🥁 11:53pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks sam....
	11:54pm northguineahills: happy thanks, sam!
	11:54pm spodiodi: thanks, Sam!!
	🥁 11:54pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ northguineahills @11:53 frankfurt am main is just outside berlin
	🥁 11:56pm Bobby: Oh it’s this time already? Thanks for the show, Sam. See you around, fellow listeners
	🥁 11:57pm Bobby: Bonne nuit!
	11:57pm drowsy: thank you Sam, and fellow horseradishes
	🥁 11:57pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:54 when you said "a train ride out of berlin" it confused me
	🥁 11:58pm Bobby: Un café
	11:59pm coelacanth∅: "where's a toilet?" no?
	11:59pm northguineahills: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:57 multiple trains different days...
	🥁 12:00am tom tom the pipers son: wo ist the toiletten.... toiletten left over from napoleon in germant
	12:01am coelacanth∅: Thanks Sam!
	12:02am coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @12:00 scheiße!
	🥁 12:21am WR: Thank you, Sam. 音楽はありがとうございました。 On-gaku wa arigatougozaimashita. Music, as for, thank you very much.
	12:23am chresti: Thanks Sam!

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