WFMU: If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from May 15, 2024

Listener comments!
	10:00pm headcleaner: Evening, peoples. Dig the signage on the upper left.
	10:01pm Carmichael: I like when people are frank with me.
	🥁 10:02pm Manta: hello all!
	10:03pm Ike: Meow!
	10:04pm Sam Segal: Evening’s greetings, Headcleaner, Carmichael, Manta, and Ike!
	10:05pm Sam Segal: Starting off with a little tribute to the late great Steve Albini tonight.
	🥁 10:09pm WR: Hi Sam and folks. Before his passing Albini was just a name on other people's album covers. Regret he had to die before I got to hear his recordings of him making music.
	10:13pm Carmichael: I was a Guy Caballero fan myself
	10:13pm Dean: I am aware of Albini since Big Black, but not at all familiar with his work. What distinguishes his work as an engineer? Why was he dismissive of producers?
	10:15pm Dean: I have enjoyed Guy Caballero!
	10:15pm coelacanth∅: Greetings Sam, horsepeople
	10:15pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @10:09 Yeah, amazing what he accomplished in his own groups. Such a unique, immediately recognizable guitar tone.
	10:16pm Sam Segal: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:15 Heyo, Coel!
	10:19pm Sam Segal: ↳ Dean @10:13 I guess when it came to the recording side of his work, he wanted to view himself as purely a technician (like a plumber) rather than elevating the role to something that in his mind sounded pretentious or self-important. Something like that.
	10:19pm Carmichael: I think he just didn’t like the title. He would rather that it described what he actually did.
	10:21pm Sam Segal: ↳ Dean @10:13 As for his sound, I think it really depended on the band he was working with. I hear a lot of similarities across these post-hardcore/noise/math records…a certain cold, crispness to the sound…the drums also feel very “live” and unvarnished.
	🥁 10:21pm tom tom the pipers son: hello sam and people...
	10:22pm Sam Segal: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:21 Howdy, Tom Tom!
	10:22pm rw: Greetings Caballeros!
	10:23pm Sam Segal: ↳ rw @10:22 Hola, compañero!
	10:25pm coelacanth∅: surfer rosa was my introduction to Steve Albini, like many people. but even though that album was Huge for me i never gave any thought about the producer until a few years later when it seemed to be big news that Steve Albini was producing nirvana's new album. then it was easy to put it together, as far as sound. ...still i didn't realise the scope of his work until later on when i saw that some of my Scout Niblett albums were produced by him; then i started taking a specific interest in him and what else he had produced.
	10:29pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Sam Segal @10:19 i remember when i was little asking parents &/or older siblings what the "producer" is on the album covers and being very confused, and ultimately unhappy with that title. i said something like but the beatles are the ones producing the music, aren't they?"
	10:32pm Sam Segal: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:29 Hell, I still don’t know what they do! An “engineer” I can picture. Twiddling knobs, moving microphones…that I can picture.
	🥁 10:33pm tom tom the pipers son: i saw somewhere the reason albini preferred engineer over producer was because most producers he knew didn't know the first thing about engineering
	10:35pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Sam Segal @10:32 the producer may (or may not) play a bigger role in the sound - then directing the engineers to get it....may make suggestion, rearrange songs, etc. i understand a difference, but i think it's an inappropriate title.
	🥁 10:37pm tom tom the pipers son: i did condition reporting of art at christies for a short while and i would always refer to the artist's 'production'
	🥁 10:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:35 "stylist" maybe...
	10:38pm Dean: I've heard that, too, tttps, but that's like complaining that we shouldn't call a guitarist a guitarist because they don't know the first thing about drumming. Anyway, I buy records on occasion almost exclusively because the engineer is a known superior quantity/quality, e.g., Marc Aubort and Joanna Nickrenz, or Marc Rusch. The quality of the recording, its degree of high fidelity, is the draw. Some folks by records according to producer, Eno being a good example. I'm not sure he knows the first thing about high fidelity recording, but he does imprint a sound on his work. Others like Martin Hammett or Steve Lilywhite or Daniel Lanois are all about signature sounds independent of good quality recording.
	10:40pm Dean: ^some folks buy records
	10:41pm Dean: The archetype of producers: Phil Spector.
	🥁 10:42pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @10:38 but the act of playing guitar is not as contingent on drumming as producing is on engineering
	10:43pm coelacanth∅: with the beatles -as an excellent example -the producer played a very big role in song arrangements and decisions about overall sound, at least in the beginning. he made decisions about what mics to use and how to set them up; choices of instrumentation...etc but later on, when Geoff Emerick became the main engineer, he made many of these decisions; and he was often the one that figured out how to get the results the beatles desired. there was a lot of crossover. but the producer gets much more credit, and much more money. Albini thought this is bullshit. which it is.
	🥁 10:45pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @10:41 but supporting your comment, when i worked as a set designer, i was sometimes challenged by the lead carpenter on who was the author of the set
	10:45pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:38 hmm,"stylist". i don't like it but it's better than "producer"
	10:46pm headcleaner: Am suddenly intrigued by Duluth, MN
	10:46pm Dean: George Martin is a great example! I think I'm getting it. Albini was upset with the inequities of credit. But that seems to me to be an issue distinct from whether or not producers know what they're doing. My professional email signature identifies me, a librarian, as a "Fact Stylist."
	10:48pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Dean @10:46 right. some producers know engineering, some don't. ...many engineers eventually become producers.
	10:52pm Dean: Happily, Marc Aubort never became a producer. His engineering was supreme. Heretically (is that a word?) from my point of view, he used headphones to engineer! Aaaagh! That should render the entire enterprise deplorable. Yet I adore his work. Some of those recordings are stunningly life-like.
	10:54pm Sam Segal: ↳ headcleaner @10:46 Wonderful town. Being on Lake Superior makes it feel sort of coastal. Lots of great late 19th century - early 20th century from when Duluth was a busy port city.
	10:56pm Dean: Now I need to visit Duluth. Was in Omaha last weekend. Had a great time. I love approximately underdog cities.
	10:57pm Sam Segal: ↳ Dean @10:52 Any standout Aubort recordings come to mind, Dean?
	11:02pm Dean: Oh, yes. The one that turned me on to him is this Cherubini/Rossini LP: https://www.discogs.com/release/10067249-Cherubini-Rossini-Los-Angeles-Chamber-Orchestra-Gerard-Schwarz-Sinfonia-In-D-Sinfonia-Al-Conventello And this Andre Watts Liszt recital is pretty special: https://www.discogs.com/master/805886-Andr%C3%A9-Watts-Plays-Liszt-Album-1-Six-Grand-Etudes-After-Paganini-Au-Lac-De-Wallenstadt-Il-Penseroso-
	11:04pm Sam Segal: ↳ Dean @11:02 Thank you!
	11:08pm Dean: By "him" I really mean "them": Aubort and Nickrenz. Unsurprisingly, she gets short shrift.
	11:25pm Dean: There's also inside noise.
	11:26pm Sam Segal: ↳ Dean @11:25 The noise made by one’s bodily functions?
	11:26pm Dean: Yes, but of course not mine! I make no bodily noises.
	11:27pm Dean: That was the dog!
	🥁 11:33pm tom tom the pipers son: if you're in a totally soundproofed room you hear the blood coursing through your body probably ears first
	🥁 11:34pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "What Qualifies as Silence" by "Little Kid" like this, didn't think it would play this long...
	11:36pm Sam Segal: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:34 I like how it just maintains that same vibe for the whole nearly 10 minute song.
	🥁 11:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Sam Segal @11:36 u huh. i think i mentally checked out of it for a minute, but it was right there when i came back
	11:42pm northguineahills: got lost after putting my horse to pasture. found my way back...
	11:43pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @11:42 And your horse…?
	11:44pm northguineahills: the a. di mattina co. is now NYC DOT property now...
	11:45pm Dean: Check out the Orlando Consort complete(?) series of recordings on Harmonia Mundi of Machaut's vocal music. Nothing like it. Perfect. Sublime.
	11:45pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @11:43 hijo de...!!! perdi mi caballo! soy un idioto. (i mean, it's in the show's title)
	11:47pm Sam Segal: ↳ Dean @11:45 I will definitely check this out.
	11:47pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Sonderho Bridal Trilogy Part III" by "Danish Stri... whom's composition was this?
	11:47pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @11:47 Danish folk tune.
	11:48pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Half-thought" by "Bedhead" ack, missed bedhead, a fave indie band of mine....
	11:48pm Ike: A horse is a hearse, of course, of course/ And no one can talk to a hearse, or curse/ That is, of course, unless the hearse is the infamous... Judge Dredd?
	11:51pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @11:48 I have mainly listened to that Transaction De Novo record. Need to dig into more of their discography.
	🥁 11:54pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks sam ...have a nice week...
	11:54pm Sam Segal: You too, Tom Tom!
	11:55pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Magenta" by "Alexandra Spence & Delphine Dora" alexandra spence related to alexander spence?
	11:56pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @11:51 their live record at the empty bottle is amazing...
	🥁 11:56pm Manta: ↳ Song: "Desert Fly" by "Nina Nastasia" this was a great send-off song. thanks, Sam!
	🥁 11:56pm WR: Thank you, Sam and folks. Laters.
	11:57pm northguineahills: amazing, sam, wish i got in earlier. thanks again!
	11:57pm northguineahills: ↳ northguineahills @11:56 amazingly soul crushing good....
	12:00am northguineahills: nice irish gaelic!
	12:00am Ike: Thanks, SS!
	12:39am coelacanth∅: Thanks Sam!
	5:53pm doctorjazz: Queens picture, don't have to go nuts... In the last set (lots of good live shows Thursday, but catching up now). Really like that last set, as a general rule, and today. Some ACCORDIAN! Thanks Sam!

If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from May 15, 2024

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May 15, 2024: Traveling Across a Horse Pocked Topography

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Slint	Ron "Ron" by "Slint"	Tweez	Touch and Go	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Shellac	Watch Song "Watch Song" by "Shellac"	1000 Hurts	Touch and Go	0:02:51 (Pop-up)

STNNNG	Soft Moon, Warm Spider "Soft Moon, Warm Spider" by "STNNNG"	Veterans of Pleasure	Modern Radio	0:14:37 (Pop-up)
Don Caballero	I Never Liked You "I Never Liked You" by "Don Caballero"	American Don	Touch and Go	0:17:04 (Pop-up)
Storm & Stress	Piles of Blinkers Slip for New Years	Storm & Stress	Touch and Go	0:22:04 (Pop-up)
The Desert Fathers	The Art of Reason	The Spirituality	Threespheres	0:24:07 (Pop-up)
A Minor Forest	Speed for Gavin "Speed for Gavin" by "A Minor Forest"	Flemish Altruism (Constituent Parts 1993–1996)	Thrill Jockey	0:26:24 (Pop-up)
Bedhead	Half-thought "Half-thought" by "Bedhead"	Transaction De Novo	Numero Group	0:30:19 (Pop-up)
Low	Immune "Immune" by "Low"	Secret Name	Kranky	0:33:46 (Pop-up)
Palace Music	The Brute Choir "The Brute Choir" by "Palace Music"	Viva Last Blues	Drag City	0:37:17 (Pop-up)

Staś Czekalski	Mini Farmer "Mini Farmer" by "Staś Czekalski"	Przygody	Mondoj	0:48:13 (Pop-up)
Birdguy	Ongeveer Daar ft Paper Surgeon	Niet Zonder Reden	Something Happening Somewhere	0:51:59 (Pop-up)
Simisea	Cotorra "Cotorra" by "Simisea"	SLINK VOL 1	SLINK	0:54:27 (Pop-up)
Tristan Arp	Polymer "Polymer" by "Tristan Arp"	The Self Elastic	SLINK	0:59:24 (Pop-up)
Facta	Felt "Felt" by "Facta"	Emeline EP	Incienso	1:03:50 (Pop-up)
ML Buch	Whoosh "Whoosh" by "ML Buch"	Suntub	15 Love	1:09:46 (Pop-up)
Papa M	Vivea "Vivea" by "Papa M"	Hole of Burning Alms	Drag City	1:12:22 (Pop-up)
Loren Connors, Suzanne Langille	Nothing at All	Let the Darkness Fall	Secretly Canadian	1:18:37 (Pop-up)

Little Kid	What Qualifies as Silence	A Million Easy Payments	Orindal	1:25:24 (Pop-up)
Cormac Begley	Cad É Sin Don Té Sin / John Brosnan's Reel (Air & Reel)	"B"	Self-Released	1:35:15 (Pop-up)
Danish String Quartet	Sonderho Bridal Trilogy Part III	Wood Works	Naxos	1:39:15 (Pop-up)
Geneviève Strosser / Jürg Dähler / Muriel Cantoreggi	Machaut: Ballade XXVI	Heinz Holliger / Guillaume de Machaut: Machaut-Transkriptionen	ECM	1:42:39 (Pop-up)
Alexandra Spence & Delphine Dora	Magenta	Seasonal Diary II: Lush Abundance	Objects & Sounds	1:47:57 (Pop-up)
Nina Nastasia	Desert Fly "Desert Fly" by "Nina Nastasia"	The Blackened Air	Touch and Go	1:53:48 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	10:00pm headcleaner: Evening, peoples. Dig the signage on the upper left.
	10:01pm Carmichael: I like when people are frank with me.
	🥁 10:02pm Manta: hello all!
	10:03pm Ike: Meow!
	10:04pm Sam Segal: Evening’s greetings, Headcleaner, Carmichael, Manta, and Ike!
	10:05pm Sam Segal: Starting off with a little tribute to the late great Steve Albini tonight.
	🥁 10:09pm WR: Hi Sam and folks. Before his passing Albini was just a name on other people's album covers. Regret he had to die before I got to hear his recordings of him making music.
	10:13pm Carmichael: I was a Guy Caballero fan myself
	10:13pm Dean: I am aware of Albini since Big Black, but not at all familiar with his work. What distinguishes his work as an engineer? Why was he dismissive of producers?
	10:15pm Dean: I have enjoyed Guy Caballero!
	10:15pm coelacanth∅: Greetings Sam, horsepeople
	10:15pm Sam Segal: ↳ WR @10:09 Yeah, amazing what he accomplished in his own groups. Such a unique, immediately recognizable guitar tone.
	10:16pm Sam Segal: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:15 Heyo, Coel!
	10:19pm Sam Segal: ↳ Dean @10:13 I guess when it came to the recording side of his work, he wanted to view himself as purely a technician (like a plumber) rather than elevating the role to something that in his mind sounded pretentious or self-important. Something like that.
	10:19pm Carmichael: I think he just didn’t like the title. He would rather that it described what he actually did.
	10:21pm Sam Segal: ↳ Dean @10:13 As for his sound, I think it really depended on the band he was working with. I hear a lot of similarities across these post-hardcore/noise/math records…a certain cold, crispness to the sound…the drums also feel very “live” and unvarnished.
	🥁 10:21pm tom tom the pipers son: hello sam and people...
	10:22pm Sam Segal: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:21 Howdy, Tom Tom!
	10:22pm rw: Greetings Caballeros!
	10:23pm Sam Segal: ↳ rw @10:22 Hola, compañero!
	10:25pm coelacanth∅: surfer rosa was my introduction to Steve Albini, like many people. but even though that album was Huge for me i never gave any thought about the producer until a few years later when it seemed to be big news that Steve Albini was producing nirvana's new album. then it was easy to put it together, as far as sound. ...still i didn't realise the scope of his work until later on when i saw that some of my Scout Niblett albums were produced by him; then i started taking a specific interest in him and what else he had produced.
	10:29pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Sam Segal @10:19 i remember when i was little asking parents &/or older siblings what the "producer" is on the album covers and being very confused, and ultimately unhappy with that title. i said something like but the beatles are the ones producing the music, aren't they?"
	10:32pm Sam Segal: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:29 Hell, I still don’t know what they do! An “engineer” I can picture. Twiddling knobs, moving microphones…that I can picture.
	🥁 10:33pm tom tom the pipers son: i saw somewhere the reason albini preferred engineer over producer was because most producers he knew didn't know the first thing about engineering
	10:35pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Sam Segal @10:32 the producer may (or may not) play a bigger role in the sound - then directing the engineers to get it....may make suggestion, rearrange songs, etc. i understand a difference, but i think it's an inappropriate title.
	🥁 10:37pm tom tom the pipers son: i did condition reporting of art at christies for a short while and i would always refer to the artist's 'production'
	🥁 10:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @10:35 "stylist" maybe...
	10:38pm Dean: I've heard that, too, tttps, but that's like complaining that we shouldn't call a guitarist a guitarist because they don't know the first thing about drumming. Anyway, I buy records on occasion almost exclusively because the engineer is a known superior quantity/quality, e.g., Marc Aubort and Joanna Nickrenz, or Marc Rusch. The quality of the recording, its degree of high fidelity, is the draw. Some folks by records according to producer, Eno being a good example. I'm not sure he knows the first thing about high fidelity recording, but he does imprint a sound on his work. Others like Martin Hammett or Steve Lilywhite or Daniel Lanois are all about signature sounds independent of good quality recording.
	10:40pm Dean: ^some folks buy records
	10:41pm Dean: The archetype of producers: Phil Spector.
	🥁 10:42pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @10:38 but the act of playing guitar is not as contingent on drumming as producing is on engineering
	10:43pm coelacanth∅: with the beatles -as an excellent example -the producer played a very big role in song arrangements and decisions about overall sound, at least in the beginning. he made decisions about what mics to use and how to set them up; choices of instrumentation...etc but later on, when Geoff Emerick became the main engineer, he made many of these decisions; and he was often the one that figured out how to get the results the beatles desired. there was a lot of crossover. but the producer gets much more credit, and much more money. Albini thought this is bullshit. which it is.
	🥁 10:45pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Dean @10:41 but supporting your comment, when i worked as a set designer, i was sometimes challenged by the lead carpenter on who was the author of the set
	10:45pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @10:38 hmm,"stylist". i don't like it but it's better than "producer"
	10:46pm headcleaner: Am suddenly intrigued by Duluth, MN
	10:46pm Dean: George Martin is a great example! I think I'm getting it. Albini was upset with the inequities of credit. But that seems to me to be an issue distinct from whether or not producers know what they're doing. My professional email signature identifies me, a librarian, as a "Fact Stylist."
	10:48pm coelacanth∅: ↳ Dean @10:46 right. some producers know engineering, some don't. ...many engineers eventually become producers.
	10:52pm Dean: Happily, Marc Aubort never became a producer. His engineering was supreme. Heretically (is that a word?) from my point of view, he used headphones to engineer! Aaaagh! That should render the entire enterprise deplorable. Yet I adore his work. Some of those recordings are stunningly life-like.
	10:54pm Sam Segal: ↳ headcleaner @10:46 Wonderful town. Being on Lake Superior makes it feel sort of coastal. Lots of great late 19th century - early 20th century from when Duluth was a busy port city.
	10:56pm Dean: Now I need to visit Duluth. Was in Omaha last weekend. Had a great time. I love approximately underdog cities.
	10:57pm Sam Segal: ↳ Dean @10:52 Any standout Aubort recordings come to mind, Dean?
	11:02pm Dean: Oh, yes. The one that turned me on to him is this Cherubini/Rossini LP: https://www.discogs.com/release/10067249-Cherubini-Rossini-Los-Angeles-Chamber-Orchestra-Gerard-Schwarz-Sinfonia-In-D-Sinfonia-Al-Conventello And this Andre Watts Liszt recital is pretty special: https://www.discogs.com/master/805886-Andr%C3%A9-Watts-Plays-Liszt-Album-1-Six-Grand-Etudes-After-Paganini-Au-Lac-De-Wallenstadt-Il-Penseroso-
	11:04pm Sam Segal: ↳ Dean @11:02 Thank you!
	11:08pm Dean: By "him" I really mean "them": Aubort and Nickrenz. Unsurprisingly, she gets short shrift.
	11:25pm Dean: There's also inside noise.
	11:26pm Sam Segal: ↳ Dean @11:25 The noise made by one’s bodily functions?
	11:26pm Dean: Yes, but of course not mine! I make no bodily noises.
	11:27pm Dean: That was the dog!
	🥁 11:33pm tom tom the pipers son: if you're in a totally soundproofed room you hear the blood coursing through your body probably ears first
	🥁 11:34pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "What Qualifies as Silence" by "Little Kid" like this, didn't think it would play this long...
	11:36pm Sam Segal: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @11:34 I like how it just maintains that same vibe for the whole nearly 10 minute song.
	🥁 11:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Sam Segal @11:36 u huh. i think i mentally checked out of it for a minute, but it was right there when i came back
	11:42pm northguineahills: got lost after putting my horse to pasture. found my way back...
	11:43pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @11:42 And your horse…?
	11:44pm northguineahills: the a. di mattina co. is now NYC DOT property now...
	11:45pm Dean: Check out the Orlando Consort complete(?) series of recordings on Harmonia Mundi of Machaut's vocal music. Nothing like it. Perfect. Sublime.
	11:45pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @11:43 hijo de...!!! perdi mi caballo! soy un idioto. (i mean, it's in the show's title)
	11:47pm Sam Segal: ↳ Dean @11:45 I will definitely check this out.
	11:47pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Sonderho Bridal Trilogy Part III" by "Danish Stri... whom's composition was this?
	11:47pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @11:47 Danish folk tune.
	11:48pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Half-thought" by "Bedhead" ack, missed bedhead, a fave indie band of mine....
	11:48pm Ike: A horse is a hearse, of course, of course/ And no one can talk to a hearse, or curse/ That is, of course, unless the hearse is the infamous... Judge Dredd?
	11:51pm Sam Segal: ↳ northguineahills @11:48 I have mainly listened to that Transaction De Novo record. Need to dig into more of their discography.
	🥁 11:54pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks sam ...have a nice week...
	11:54pm Sam Segal: You too, Tom Tom!
	11:55pm northguineahills: ↳ Song: "Magenta" by "Alexandra Spence & Delphine Dora" alexandra spence related to alexander spence?
	11:56pm northguineahills: ↳ Sam Segal @11:51 their live record at the empty bottle is amazing...
	🥁 11:56pm Manta: ↳ Song: "Desert Fly" by "Nina Nastasia" this was a great send-off song. thanks, Sam!
	🥁 11:56pm WR: Thank you, Sam and folks. Laters.
	11:57pm northguineahills: amazing, sam, wish i got in earlier. thanks again!
	11:57pm northguineahills: ↳ northguineahills @11:56 amazingly soul crushing good....
	12:00am northguineahills: nice irish gaelic!
	12:00am Ike: Thanks, SS!
	12:39am coelacanth∅: Thanks Sam!
	5:53pm doctorjazz: Queens picture, don't have to go nuts... In the last set (lots of good live shows Thursday, but catching up now). Really like that last set, as a general rule, and today. Some ACCORDIAN! Thanks Sam!

If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from May 15, 2024

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