WFMU: Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from July 26, 2023

Listener comments!
	🇰🇷 6:59pm Listener Gregory: Hey, Gary. I'm here to hear your analysis of the Fed's rate increase and what you think it bodes for the future. Thx.
	7:00pm Gary: Gregory! I am so looking forward to talking about the Fed's rate increase that I completely forgot to bring a beverage into the broadcast room!
	7:01pm pot8o: hi everyone!
	7:02pm peter: hey Gary & all!
	7:02pm listener James from Westwood: Evening, Gary and everyone!
	7:03pm tim abdellah: Hiya Gary and الجميع
	🇰🇷 7:04pm chresti: Hi Gary bodega show!
	7:04pm pot8o: hi everyone!
	7:04pm pot8o: oops, thought it didn't send
	🇰🇷 7:06pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: VERY much looking forward to this episode!! Still working and it's pulling me through...
	7:06pm Gary: Man, I have never been happier to see you guys! I had a rough week -- my cat required two emergency vet visits Monday and Tuesday -- he's stable and very slowly recovering now
	7:07pm Gary: Pot8o! James! Tim! Chresti! Threemoons! Thank you for being here and saying hi!
	7:07pm peter: best wishes to cat!
	🇰🇷 7:09pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ Gary @7:06 Sorry to hear that; hope kitty pulls through!
	🇰🇷 7:10pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Gary @7:00 Unless you resolve this, you're not going to make it 3 hours. Sorry to hear about your cat!
	7:10pm pot8o: ↳ Gary @7:07 sending well wishes your way!
	7:11pm Gary: I am sure you have all heard by now of the passing of Sinéad O'Connor
	7:12pm northguineahills: ↳ Gary @7:06 awwww, poor purrbag... 😿
	7:12pm peter: ↳ Gary @7:11 yeah, the worst news
	🇰🇷 7:13pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ Gary @7:11 Yup, probably suicide. That poor woman went through so much.
	7:14pm Gary: NGH!
	🇰🇷 7:17pm Listener Gregory: Gary, at some point I would like to hear more about Oum Kalthoum herself, as I am so woefully ignorant of everything.
	7:21pm tim abdellah: There is a very good documentary in English about Umm Kuthum. Viewable on YouTube: www.youtube.com...
	7:29pm Gary: Thank you, Tim!
	🇰🇷 7:40pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ tim abdellah @7:21 AWESOME documentary. I saw it when it first aired on Public Television back in the day.
	🇰🇷 7:40pm Listener Gregory: ↳ tim abdellah @7:21 Thanks, Tim! I will therefore give in and tell Gary that I believe he meant "sally," not "volley."
	7:43pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @7:40 Salvo?
	7:44pm peter: ↳ Gary @7:43 i like "opening sally"
	7:44pm peter: sally forth with a volley of opening salvos
	🇰🇷 7:44pm WR: ↳ tim abdellah @7:21 Thank you! Tim for the link. The Wikipedia entry for her is a bit jumbled and I am hindered from understanding much of the info offered by my lack of general knowledge of the context for her career.
	7:48pm Gary: WR! I recently went back to the two books in English on the subject: Virginia Danielson's The Voice of Egypt and Laura Lohman's Umm Kulthum: Artistic Agency and the Shaping of an Arab Legend, 1967–2007 -- they are both very good, although Danielson's begins at the beginning where as Lohman's begins near the end
	🇰🇷 7:53pm Listener Gregory: ↳ peter @7:44 That is excellent strategy.
	🇰🇷 8:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Wowee. Listen to this !
	8:02pm Gary: RevRab!
	8:04pm Carmichael: Heya Gary
	🇰🇷 8:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Of course - I always say how much I love 'Traditional' Egyptian Music ...but I suppose the point here is that - in their times - each phase here was 'new' ? To whichever extent ?...
	8:13pm Gary: Charmichael!
	8:20pm northguineahills: phew, made it back from my hike to the store in the rain. at least the lightning stopped.. (i saw some 20 y/o local singing don ho's tiny bubbles, that was a joy!)
	🇰🇷 8:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The Communal enthusiasm in these Live Recordings ...always left a bit slack-jawed @ this...
	8:25pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Ya Amar Eskandarani يا قمر اسكندراني" by "Mohamed... wow the emotion in the singing...
	8:26pm Gary: Tom! Welcome ... and, yes -- Rushdy was a huge influence on Ahmed Adaweya, who you'll hear a bit later
	🇰🇷 8:26pm Listener Gregory: I am often more impressed with the orchestral playing and arrangements than with the vocals.
	8:27pm tom tom the pipers son: ty gary
	8:28pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @8:26 This is the era for that and maybe even its apex year -- well, maybe 1974
	8:29pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @7:40 yes believe i saw the same doc on pbs, but that was a loonng time ago. hardly remember any of it but was an introduction to umm kulthum
	🇰🇷 8:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: These long rhapsodic orchestrated but Modal pieces. One is just swept along.
	8:31pm TDK60: Hi Gary.
	8:33pm tom tom the pipers son: @ gary re: rev rab comment, is any of this music improvised at all?
	🇰🇷 8:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @8:33 A pertinent question. I figure the ensemble is large enuff it's probly pretty well formulated. But maybe it's comparable to Raga in being Classically Formal with provision (even expectation) for Improvisation within it ? The Vocal ornamentations particularly ?
	8:37pm Listener Gregory: I got a CD from the pledge drive of Egyptian modal instrumental music that I really liked. I am guessing it came from this show, so belated thanks, Gary.
	8:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @8:36 right, was wondering/ thinking along same lines
	8:41pm Erik B.: When I listen to Oum Kalthoum I always try to come up with an American analogy to her, both musically and her place in the culture. Anyone have any ideas?
	8:41pm Gary: Erik! So nice to see you, man -- I don't have any ideas on the top of my head, but will think about it
	8:43pm Gary: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @8:33 Tom, yes, both singing and instrumentation is often improvised live to some degree, not as in "solos," but in terms of chunks of a song being repeated, etc., at the singer's whim, based on audience response, but there are also improvised forms, such as the mawal, which Ahmed Adaweya, for instance, excelled at
	8:45pm coelacanth∅: good evening Gary and all
	🇰🇷 8:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "Ya Misaharny Part 2 يا مسهرني" by "Sayed Mekkawi ... How does this relate (from my uninformed & limited points of reference) to Hamza El Din ? Which I always think of as 'Nile Music'... Perhaps Hamza had some degree more of an African element to what he did - just a degree of variation...
	8:45pm Gary: Coelacanth!
	8:46pm tom tom the pipers son: thx gary, and i would guess this piece is largely improvised, i like sandy bull, but he's a little heavy handed in comparison
	🇰🇷 8:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Gary @8:43 Thanks. Very interesting. Put it that way - & I think of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & qawwali as some parallel - not to overstate that ?...
	8:48pm Gary: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @8:45 That's a good question, RevRab -- one major difference is that Mekkawi wrote songs meant to be orchestrated whereas I'm not sure if Hamza El Din did. This track, again, I am almost certain was written specifically for Oum Kalthoum to sing with orchestral backing.
	🇰🇷 8:52pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Gary @8:48 Well again - this seems vocally ornamented - where Hamza is very trance-like ? Manner of speaking ? Hamza was 'of his native region Nubia, situated on both sides of the Egypt–Sudan border ' - reportedly.
	8:55pm Gary: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @8:46 I forgot they lived together for a bit!
	8:57pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Gary @8:55 oh, i didn't know that, but listened to a sandy bull oud piece recently
	8:58pm Listener Gregory: I saw Hamza El Din live once, and was very impressed at what he could do w minimal instrumentation. He was promoted as “Nubian.”
	🇰🇷 8:59pm WR: ↳ Song: "Laweat Alfiraq لوعة الفراق" by "Hani Shaker هاني ... This recording stands out to my ears.
	🇰🇷 9:01pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Listener Gregory @8:58 Aha Thx.
	9:02pm Gary: ↳ WR @8:59 Baligh Hamdi composition!
	9:12pm tom tom the pipers son: orchestra in a tight groove, of course...
	🇰🇷 9:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "Aghar Men Nesmat el Ghaoub Part 1 غار من نسمة الج... Sonic hashish. Just extraordinary.
	9:21pm tom tom the pipers son: as far as comparisons, maybe aretha franklin could compare to umm kulthum over a much shorter period of time; both"queens". took a stab at the question
	9:23pm Erik B.: I always think Barbara Streisand, for the level of fame and the cross generation appeal.
	🇰🇷 9:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It surprises me sort of how completely unconcerned I am of the Lyrical (verbal) content (what it is 'about') - as I am so awed by & taken in by the architecture & expression. But if I do reflect on all that - naturally I am curious !...
	9:25pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Erik B. @9:23 i guess i don't think streisand had same emotional depth as the other two
	9:26pm Erik B.: The big surprise to me is that, as someone who spent 1977-1997 in record stores, that I'd never heard of her until about 15 years ago. I mean her level of fame and longevity is so unreal. I don't see how that happened.
	🇰🇷 9:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Babs perhaps more re the breadth of Fame & Respect ? Both vivid comparisons. Appreciated.
	9:29pm Erik B.: Right, Streisand is no match singingwise, just culturally. But she has no longevity. Louis Armstrong is the only person I can think of with that longevity.
	9:29pm Gary: ↳ Erik B. @9:26 I only found out about her by accident, the last year I was in St. Paul. I visited friends in Boston, and stumbled onto this store in Harvard Square called Daff and Raff, where I bought three CDs, one by Oum Kalthoum -- and was blown away. That would have been 1996 or 97
	🇰🇷 9:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Erik B. @9:26 I know right ? But I suppose this is often true once one steps out of the English-speaking 'world' & then even the 'Western World'. The cultural barriers on our little planet are that profound. Even in the 21st Century in the Information Age.
	9:31pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @9:29 part of the reason that pbs doc stood out... like, "what's this?"
	🇰🇷 9:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...yerknow - if they can (literally) hear this in the apt. across the hall - who knows what they think. It could even be interpreted as subversive by some Murikans...
	9:34pm Erik B.: This is from The Guardian, "There is no western counterpart to Umm Kulthum." I guess that answers that question. :)
	🇰🇷 9:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Erik B. @9:34 Point taken.
	9:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "3ayzak 3andy" by "Hefny Ahmed Hassan حفني أحمد حسن" @ gary self conciousness, maybe like rembetika, could you get away w/ remetika's subject matter in eygpt?
	9:38pm tim abdellah: I would agree there is no western equivalent. The documentary gives a good sense of how bound up Umm Kulthum is with the transition of Egypt to independence, and how she projected modernity while her singing style was deeply rooted in the sound of rural and religious song.
	9:39pm Dave Sewelson: Thanks!
	9:40pm Gary: Dave! Nice to see you!
	9:40pm Listener Gregory: I’m a little confused. Was this death blow from the opening sally/volley, or was there a pitched battle on the field of vinyl?
	🇰🇷 9:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ tim abdellah @9:38 Maybe in such Cultural respects then - the real comparison is to BobDylan & TheBeatles ! :D As unlikely as that seems... So, obviously the Comparison Game quickly has diminishing returns...
	9:41pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:40 Haha, I think it took a few cassettes
	9:44pm tim abdellah: And Egypt led the Arab world in film and music production, so she was a huge star in all the Arab-speaking nations, who were all making their way toward independence and figuring out what a post-colonial modernity would look/sound like
	9:44pm Erik B.: I was thinking Dylan too. How about Johnny Carson? Appealed across generations. Loved by millions. Lots of gigs.
	🇰🇷 9:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ tim abdellah @9:44 Very very interesting.
	9:45pm tom tom the pipers son: larger than life figure
	9:45pm Gary: Stick around after this niche-y niche-y for some super groovy Sam Segal and If You Lose Your Horse! Tonight's episode: "Against the Charitable Horse There Is No Defense" wfmu.org...
	9:46pm Erik B.: Plus a lot of people appear to be saying "Hey-oooh" on her recordings.
	9:47pm tim abdellah: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @9:41 There's no youth rebellion cultural element at play here. And she was an interpreter of the poetry of others, not a poet herself. So Beatles/Dylan comparisons don't feel right to me
	9:48pm pot8o: ↳ tim abdellah @9:47 ella fitzgerald?
	9:48pm Erik B.: Right. Her cross generational appeal makes it hard for me to find the analogy.
	9:50pm Erik B.: Gary, great show. Thanks!
	9:50pm tim abdellah: ↳ pot8o @9:48 I was trying to think of a jazz singer who might be somewhat comparable, but I can't think of any who had the cultural impact of Umm Kulthum
	9:52pm tim abdellah: Thanks Gary for the Egypt '75 soundz!!
	9:52pm Listener Gregory: Louis Armstrong? If you include his trumpet?
	🇰🇷 9:52pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ tim abdellah @9:47 Right. I thot maybe in terms of both Mass Appeal (TheBeatles notably have some across age groups & eras) - & in striking representing a Change of Eras. Rawk~Pop Musics kind of only incidentally have coincided with direct Political regime change - or even presented a kind of proxy or even sham pantomime of them. Generally speaking ...your MC5s & Phil Ochs aside... Compared to BobMarlry or FelaKuti - Rawk is hardly Revolutionary... Sometimes have thot of Edith Piaf as a blend of Billie Holliday & Judy Garland...
	9:53pm Listener Gregory: He changed the music and was also immensely popular.
	9:53pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks gary, first time here
	9:53pm pot8o: thanks gary! have a great week everyone!
	9:53pm tim abdellah: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:53 Agreed - that may be as close as we get!
	9:54pm Listener Gregory: Gary, I’m not thanking you yet, to make sure you don’t pull a fast one at the end.
	9:55pm tom tom the pipers son: andy warhol did portraits of mao, wonder if he ever did umm kulthum
	9:55pm tim abdellah: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @9:52 Good points all! :)
	9:57pm Listener Gregory: Thanks a lot, Gary. This year will never seem the same to me again.
	9:58pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:38 tom tom i had to leave quickly earlier but went back and saw your posts... so, regarding "mediated" i maybe could find a better word but never tried to articulate it before. what i mean is their innocence in those early recordings makes the fact that they're simply performing, and not displaying much actual feeling much more acceptable for me... like, a child is cute getting up there and singing, generally...and both Ella and Billie were very young -~15-16 years old. so, their "innocence" is attractive, regardless of whatever over-the-top vocal acrobatics they do. . . .
	9:59pm coelacanth∅: (to be continued!) Thanks Gary!
	🇰🇷 9:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Wow. So appreciate exposure to this. It's just not happening for me anywhere else ! ~ TY Always DJ Gary ~
	9:59pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @9:58 gotcha
	10:00pm Gary: Night, everyone!
	🇰🇷 10:08pm WR: Thank you! Gary. I'll listen again once I've completed the pre-requisites.

Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from July 26, 2023

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July 26, 2023: The Year Oum Kalthoum Died
With the passing of Egypt's greatest voice in February, 1975 evolved into a transitional year in the nation's music. Sono Cairo released its last 7" singles, going all-in on longform formats forever after. Hany Mehanna's debut LP hinted at an electronic era to come while Ahmed Adaweya published his first shaabi collection on cassette -- the first couple of what would prove fatal blows to the more traditional strains practiced by Kalthoum, Abdel Halim Hafez, Warda Al-Jazeera, and Farid Al-Atrash. This episode will highlight defining moments ripped from original media of the period.

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Artist	Track	Album	Year	Format	Approx. start time
Music behind DJ: Bodega Pop	Introduction "Introduction" by "Bodega Pop"	Bodega Pop	2023		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Faiza Ahmed فايزة أحمد	Taala We Shoof تعالى وشوف	Taala We Shoof تعالى وشوف	1975	LP	0:04:37 (Pop-up)
Ahmed Adaweya أحمد عدوية	Mawal al Qalb Ally Ainjarah موال القلب اللي انجرح	An Evening with the Best Songs of Ahmed Adaweya سهرة مع أحلى أغاني احمد عدوية	1975	LP	0:25:21 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Farouk Salama فاروق سلامة	Ament Bwallah	Ament Bwallah	1975	7"	0:29:23 (Pop-up)
Afaf Rady عفاف راضي	Yakawi يا قوي	From the Film "Mawlid Donia" 2 مولد يا دنيا ٢	1975	LP	0:34:57 (Pop-up)
Nagat Al-Saghira نجاة الصغيرة	Ila Habibi Part 1 إلى حبيبي	Ila Habibi إلى حبيبي	1975	LP	0:43:38 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Hany Mehanna هاني مهنى	Farha فرحة	Agaeb El Rakasat El Sabaa عجائب الرقصات السبعة	1975	LP	1:04:00 (Pop-up)
Hany Mehanna هاني مهنى	Dala' دلع	Agaeb El Rakasat El Sabaa عجائب الرقصات السبعة	1975	LP	1:09:14 (Pop-up)
Samah سماح	Shawish Aldawriat شاويش الدورية	Shawish Aldawriat b/w Bayae Alghirbal شاويش الدورية / بياع الغربال	1975	7"	1:13:03 (Pop-up)
Mohamed Rushdy محمد رشدي	Ya Amar Eskandarani يا قمر اسكندراني	Enta Meen - Ya Amar Eskandarani انت مين - يا قمر اسكندراني	1975	LP	1:16:59 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Hany Mehanna هاني مهنى	Mouna منى	Agaeb El Rakasat El Sabaa عجائب الرقصات السبعة	1975	LP	1:34:01 (Pop-up)
Sayed Mekkawi سيد مكاوي	Ya Misaharny Part 2 يا مسهرني	Ya Misaharny يا مسهرني	1975	LP	1:39:45 (Pop-up)
Hani Shaker هاني شاكر	Laweat Alfiraq لوعة الفراق	Songs from the Film Aishin el Hob أغاني فيلم عايشين للحب	1975	7"	1:57:10 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Hany Mehanna هاني مهنى	Tahiyah Wal Assaiyah تحية و العصايا	Agaeb El Rakasat El Sabaa عجائب الرقصات السبعة	1975	LP	2:04:07 (Pop-up)
Oum Kalthoum أم كلثوم	Aghar Men Nesmat el Ghaoub Part 1 غار من نسمة الجنوب	Aghar Men Nesmat el Ghaoub غار من نسمة الجنوب	1975	LP	2:10:24 (Pop-up)
Hefny Ahmed Hassan حفني أحمد حسن	3ayzak 3andy	3ayzak 3andy	1975	7"	2:30:19 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Hany Mehanna هاني مهنى	Raqsah Arabiyah رقصة عربية	Agaeb El Rakasat El Sabaa عجائب الرقصات السبعة	1975	LP	2:34:03 (Pop-up)
Ahmed Adaweya أحمد عدوية	Introduction	But See What Adaweya Is Doing بس شوف عدوية عامل إيه	1975	Cassette	2:38:30 (Pop-up)
Ahmed Adaweya أحمد عدوية	Ya Khati Asmalatayn يا ختي اسملتين	But See What Adaweya Is Doing بس شوف عدوية عامل إيه	1975	Cassette	2:39:49 (Pop-up)
Ahmed Adaweya أحمد عدوية	Fazadaq Mumalah فزدق مملح	But See What Adaweya Is Doing بس شوف عدوية عامل إيه	1975	Cassette	2:45:42 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Catrina Paslaru	Hei La Bodega "Hei La Bodega" by "Catrina Paslaru"	Hei La Bodega - Carnaval!	2000		2:55:01 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🇰🇷 6:59pm Listener Gregory: Hey, Gary. I'm here to hear your analysis of the Fed's rate increase and what you think it bodes for the future. Thx.
	7:00pm Gary: Gregory! I am so looking forward to talking about the Fed's rate increase that I completely forgot to bring a beverage into the broadcast room!
	7:01pm pot8o: hi everyone!
	7:02pm peter: hey Gary & all!
	7:02pm listener James from Westwood: Evening, Gary and everyone!
	7:03pm tim abdellah: Hiya Gary and الجميع
	🇰🇷 7:04pm chresti: Hi Gary bodega show!
	7:04pm pot8o: hi everyone!
	7:04pm pot8o: oops, thought it didn't send
	🇰🇷 7:06pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: VERY much looking forward to this episode!! Still working and it's pulling me through...
	7:06pm Gary: Man, I have never been happier to see you guys! I had a rough week -- my cat required two emergency vet visits Monday and Tuesday -- he's stable and very slowly recovering now
	7:07pm Gary: Pot8o! James! Tim! Chresti! Threemoons! Thank you for being here and saying hi!
	7:07pm peter: best wishes to cat!
	🇰🇷 7:09pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ Gary @7:06 Sorry to hear that; hope kitty pulls through!
	🇰🇷 7:10pm Listener Gregory: ↳ Gary @7:00 Unless you resolve this, you're not going to make it 3 hours. Sorry to hear about your cat!
	7:10pm pot8o: ↳ Gary @7:07 sending well wishes your way!
	7:11pm Gary: I am sure you have all heard by now of the passing of Sinéad O'Connor
	7:12pm northguineahills: ↳ Gary @7:06 awwww, poor purrbag... 😿
	7:12pm peter: ↳ Gary @7:11 yeah, the worst news
	🇰🇷 7:13pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ Gary @7:11 Yup, probably suicide. That poor woman went through so much.
	7:14pm Gary: NGH!
	🇰🇷 7:17pm Listener Gregory: Gary, at some point I would like to hear more about Oum Kalthoum herself, as I am so woefully ignorant of everything.
	7:21pm tim abdellah: There is a very good documentary in English about Umm Kuthum. Viewable on YouTube: www.youtube.com...
	7:29pm Gary: Thank you, Tim!
	🇰🇷 7:40pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: ↳ tim abdellah @7:21 AWESOME documentary. I saw it when it first aired on Public Television back in the day.
	🇰🇷 7:40pm Listener Gregory: ↳ tim abdellah @7:21 Thanks, Tim! I will therefore give in and tell Gary that I believe he meant "sally," not "volley."
	7:43pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @7:40 Salvo?
	7:44pm peter: ↳ Gary @7:43 i like "opening sally"
	7:44pm peter: sally forth with a volley of opening salvos
	🇰🇷 7:44pm WR: ↳ tim abdellah @7:21 Thank you! Tim for the link. The Wikipedia entry for her is a bit jumbled and I am hindered from understanding much of the info offered by my lack of general knowledge of the context for her career.
	7:48pm Gary: WR! I recently went back to the two books in English on the subject: Virginia Danielson's The Voice of Egypt and Laura Lohman's Umm Kulthum: Artistic Agency and the Shaping of an Arab Legend, 1967–2007 -- they are both very good, although Danielson's begins at the beginning where as Lohman's begins near the end
	🇰🇷 7:53pm Listener Gregory: ↳ peter @7:44 That is excellent strategy.
	🇰🇷 8:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Wowee. Listen to this !
	8:02pm Gary: RevRab!
	8:04pm Carmichael: Heya Gary
	🇰🇷 8:12pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Of course - I always say how much I love 'Traditional' Egyptian Music ...but I suppose the point here is that - in their times - each phase here was 'new' ? To whichever extent ?...
	8:13pm Gary: Charmichael!
	8:20pm northguineahills: phew, made it back from my hike to the store in the rain. at least the lightning stopped.. (i saw some 20 y/o local singing don ho's tiny bubbles, that was a joy!)
	🇰🇷 8:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: The Communal enthusiasm in these Live Recordings ...always left a bit slack-jawed @ this...
	8:25pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "Ya Amar Eskandarani يا قمر اسكندراني" by "Mohamed... wow the emotion in the singing...
	8:26pm Gary: Tom! Welcome ... and, yes -- Rushdy was a huge influence on Ahmed Adaweya, who you'll hear a bit later
	🇰🇷 8:26pm Listener Gregory: I am often more impressed with the orchestral playing and arrangements than with the vocals.
	8:27pm tom tom the pipers son: ty gary
	8:28pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @8:26 This is the era for that and maybe even its apex year -- well, maybe 1974
	8:29pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜 @7:40 yes believe i saw the same doc on pbs, but that was a loonng time ago. hardly remember any of it but was an introduction to umm kulthum
	🇰🇷 8:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: These long rhapsodic orchestrated but Modal pieces. One is just swept along.
	8:31pm TDK60: Hi Gary.
	8:33pm tom tom the pipers son: @ gary re: rev rab comment, is any of this music improvised at all?
	🇰🇷 8:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @8:33 A pertinent question. I figure the ensemble is large enuff it's probly pretty well formulated. But maybe it's comparable to Raga in being Classically Formal with provision (even expectation) for Improvisation within it ? The Vocal ornamentations particularly ?
	8:37pm Listener Gregory: I got a CD from the pledge drive of Egyptian modal instrumental music that I really liked. I am guessing it came from this show, so belated thanks, Gary.
	8:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @8:36 right, was wondering/ thinking along same lines
	8:41pm Erik B.: When I listen to Oum Kalthoum I always try to come up with an American analogy to her, both musically and her place in the culture. Anyone have any ideas?
	8:41pm Gary: Erik! So nice to see you, man -- I don't have any ideas on the top of my head, but will think about it
	8:43pm Gary: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @8:33 Tom, yes, both singing and instrumentation is often improvised live to some degree, not as in "solos," but in terms of chunks of a song being repeated, etc., at the singer's whim, based on audience response, but there are also improvised forms, such as the mawal, which Ahmed Adaweya, for instance, excelled at
	8:45pm coelacanth∅: good evening Gary and all
	🇰🇷 8:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "Ya Misaharny Part 2 يا مسهرني" by "Sayed Mekkawi ... How does this relate (from my uninformed & limited points of reference) to Hamza El Din ? Which I always think of as 'Nile Music'... Perhaps Hamza had some degree more of an African element to what he did - just a degree of variation...
	8:45pm Gary: Coelacanth!
	8:46pm tom tom the pipers son: thx gary, and i would guess this piece is largely improvised, i like sandy bull, but he's a little heavy handed in comparison
	🇰🇷 8:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Gary @8:43 Thanks. Very interesting. Put it that way - & I think of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & qawwali as some parallel - not to overstate that ?...
	8:48pm Gary: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @8:45 That's a good question, RevRab -- one major difference is that Mekkawi wrote songs meant to be orchestrated whereas I'm not sure if Hamza El Din did. This track, again, I am almost certain was written specifically for Oum Kalthoum to sing with orchestral backing.
	🇰🇷 8:52pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Gary @8:48 Well again - this seems vocally ornamented - where Hamza is very trance-like ? Manner of speaking ? Hamza was 'of his native region Nubia, situated on both sides of the Egypt–Sudan border ' - reportedly.
	8:55pm Gary: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @8:46 I forgot they lived together for a bit!
	8:57pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Gary @8:55 oh, i didn't know that, but listened to a sandy bull oud piece recently
	8:58pm Listener Gregory: I saw Hamza El Din live once, and was very impressed at what he could do w minimal instrumentation. He was promoted as “Nubian.”
	🇰🇷 8:59pm WR: ↳ Song: "Laweat Alfiraq لوعة الفراق" by "Hani Shaker هاني ... This recording stands out to my ears.
	🇰🇷 9:01pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Listener Gregory @8:58 Aha Thx.
	9:02pm Gary: ↳ WR @8:59 Baligh Hamdi composition!
	9:12pm tom tom the pipers son: orchestra in a tight groove, of course...
	🇰🇷 9:15pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "Aghar Men Nesmat el Ghaoub Part 1 غار من نسمة الج... Sonic hashish. Just extraordinary.
	9:21pm tom tom the pipers son: as far as comparisons, maybe aretha franklin could compare to umm kulthum over a much shorter period of time; both"queens". took a stab at the question
	9:23pm Erik B.: I always think Barbara Streisand, for the level of fame and the cross generation appeal.
	🇰🇷 9:23pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: It surprises me sort of how completely unconcerned I am of the Lyrical (verbal) content (what it is 'about') - as I am so awed by & taken in by the architecture & expression. But if I do reflect on all that - naturally I am curious !...
	9:25pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Erik B. @9:23 i guess i don't think streisand had same emotional depth as the other two
	9:26pm Erik B.: The big surprise to me is that, as someone who spent 1977-1997 in record stores, that I'd never heard of her until about 15 years ago. I mean her level of fame and longevity is so unreal. I don't see how that happened.
	🇰🇷 9:28pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Babs perhaps more re the breadth of Fame & Respect ? Both vivid comparisons. Appreciated.
	9:29pm Erik B.: Right, Streisand is no match singingwise, just culturally. But she has no longevity. Louis Armstrong is the only person I can think of with that longevity.
	9:29pm Gary: ↳ Erik B. @9:26 I only found out about her by accident, the last year I was in St. Paul. I visited friends in Boston, and stumbled onto this store in Harvard Square called Daff and Raff, where I bought three CDs, one by Oum Kalthoum -- and was blown away. That would have been 1996 or 97
	🇰🇷 9:29pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Erik B. @9:26 I know right ? But I suppose this is often true once one steps out of the English-speaking 'world' & then even the 'Western World'. The cultural barriers on our little planet are that profound. Even in the 21st Century in the Information Age.
	9:31pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @9:29 part of the reason that pbs doc stood out... like, "what's this?"
	🇰🇷 9:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...yerknow - if they can (literally) hear this in the apt. across the hall - who knows what they think. It could even be interpreted as subversive by some Murikans...
	9:34pm Erik B.: This is from The Guardian, "There is no western counterpart to Umm Kulthum." I guess that answers that question. :)
	🇰🇷 9:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Erik B. @9:34 Point taken.
	9:38pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ Song: "3ayzak 3andy" by "Hefny Ahmed Hassan حفني أحمد حسن" @ gary self conciousness, maybe like rembetika, could you get away w/ remetika's subject matter in eygpt?
	9:38pm tim abdellah: I would agree there is no western equivalent. The documentary gives a good sense of how bound up Umm Kulthum is with the transition of Egypt to independence, and how she projected modernity while her singing style was deeply rooted in the sound of rural and religious song.
	9:39pm Dave Sewelson: Thanks!
	9:40pm Gary: Dave! Nice to see you!
	9:40pm Listener Gregory: I’m a little confused. Was this death blow from the opening sally/volley, or was there a pitched battle on the field of vinyl?
	🇰🇷 9:41pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ tim abdellah @9:38 Maybe in such Cultural respects then - the real comparison is to BobDylan & TheBeatles ! :D As unlikely as that seems... So, obviously the Comparison Game quickly has diminishing returns...
	9:41pm Gary: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:40 Haha, I think it took a few cassettes
	9:44pm tim abdellah: And Egypt led the Arab world in film and music production, so she was a huge star in all the Arab-speaking nations, who were all making their way toward independence and figuring out what a post-colonial modernity would look/sound like
	9:44pm Erik B.: I was thinking Dylan too. How about Johnny Carson? Appealed across generations. Loved by millions. Lots of gigs.
	🇰🇷 9:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ tim abdellah @9:44 Very very interesting.
	9:45pm tom tom the pipers son: larger than life figure
	9:45pm Gary: Stick around after this niche-y niche-y for some super groovy Sam Segal and If You Lose Your Horse! Tonight's episode: "Against the Charitable Horse There Is No Defense" wfmu.org...
	9:46pm Erik B.: Plus a lot of people appear to be saying "Hey-oooh" on her recordings.
	9:47pm tim abdellah: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @9:41 There's no youth rebellion cultural element at play here. And she was an interpreter of the poetry of others, not a poet herself. So Beatles/Dylan comparisons don't feel right to me
	9:48pm pot8o: ↳ tim abdellah @9:47 ella fitzgerald?
	9:48pm Erik B.: Right. Her cross generational appeal makes it hard for me to find the analogy.
	9:50pm Erik B.: Gary, great show. Thanks!
	9:50pm tim abdellah: ↳ pot8o @9:48 I was trying to think of a jazz singer who might be somewhat comparable, but I can't think of any who had the cultural impact of Umm Kulthum
	9:52pm tim abdellah: Thanks Gary for the Egypt '75 soundz!!
	9:52pm Listener Gregory: Louis Armstrong? If you include his trumpet?
	🇰🇷 9:52pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ tim abdellah @9:47 Right. I thot maybe in terms of both Mass Appeal (TheBeatles notably have some across age groups & eras) - & in striking representing a Change of Eras. Rawk~Pop Musics kind of only incidentally have coincided with direct Political regime change - or even presented a kind of proxy or even sham pantomime of them. Generally speaking ...your MC5s & Phil Ochs aside... Compared to BobMarlry or FelaKuti - Rawk is hardly Revolutionary... Sometimes have thot of Edith Piaf as a blend of Billie Holliday & Judy Garland...
	9:53pm Listener Gregory: He changed the music and was also immensely popular.
	9:53pm tom tom the pipers son: thanks gary, first time here
	9:53pm pot8o: thanks gary! have a great week everyone!
	9:53pm tim abdellah: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:53 Agreed - that may be as close as we get!
	9:54pm Listener Gregory: Gary, I’m not thanking you yet, to make sure you don’t pull a fast one at the end.
	9:55pm tom tom the pipers son: andy warhol did portraits of mao, wonder if he ever did umm kulthum
	9:55pm tim abdellah: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @9:52 Good points all! :)
	9:57pm Listener Gregory: Thanks a lot, Gary. This year will never seem the same to me again.
	9:58pm coelacanth∅: ↳ tom tom the pipers son @9:38 tom tom i had to leave quickly earlier but went back and saw your posts... so, regarding "mediated" i maybe could find a better word but never tried to articulate it before. what i mean is their innocence in those early recordings makes the fact that they're simply performing, and not displaying much actual feeling much more acceptable for me... like, a child is cute getting up there and singing, generally...and both Ella and Billie were very young -~15-16 years old. so, their "innocence" is attractive, regardless of whatever over-the-top vocal acrobatics they do. . . .
	9:59pm coelacanth∅: (to be continued!) Thanks Gary!
	🇰🇷 9:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Wow. So appreciate exposure to this. It's just not happening for me anywhere else ! ~ TY Always DJ Gary ~
	9:59pm tom tom the pipers son: ↳ coelacanth∅ @9:58 gotcha
	10:00pm Gary: Night, everyone!
	🇰🇷 10:08pm WR: Thank you! Gary. I'll listen again once I've completed the pre-requisites.

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