WFMU: destination: OUT with Jeff Golick: Playlist from March 5, 2023

Listener comments!
	9:00am Uncle Michael: Morning!
	9:01am Jeff Golick: Well we know you can get up this early. Good morning! And thank you!
	🥁 9:01am hyde: hello!
	9:02am Jeff Golick: Hey, @hyde!
	🥁 9:02am Brian in UK: Hello Jeff. Wayne Shorter seemed to be a timeless fella.
	9:02am Uncle Michael: This is hour-three of my day. I can only take so much night.
	🥁 9:03am doctorjazz: Hello Outies!
	9:03am Jeff Golick: @Brian in UK, hello, and agreed. G'morning, @doctorjazz!
	9:05am Uncle Michael: My pleasure!
	9:06am Uncle Michael: WFMU fundraising: all of the gelt...none of the guilt. Take that, NPR.
	9:06am listener james from westwood: Morning, Jeff and all!
	9:07am TDK60: Good morning, Jeff.
	9:09am Stork: It's Wayne-ing in my heart, but I'm here! Hello OO-Trays!!
	9:09am Listener Gregory: Morning, all.
	🥁 9:10am DJpeterDE: Re: describing his sound, I’ve always remembered a review (Francis Davis maybe?) of Conrad Silvert presents live at the opera: saying the album was uneven but a good place to hear what was then a rare commodity, Wayne’s “inky and enveloping tenor.” But I’ve never heard a good description of his soprano sound
	9:11am Jeff Golick: Aloha, @listner james from westwood! Good morn, @TDK60! At least the days aren't getting shorter, @Stork. Hiya! Wassup, @Listener Gregory!
	9:11am StringOFperils: Good morning, Jeff. Good morning everyone.
	9:12am Jeff Golick: Inky! That is good. Hey, @DJpeterDE! Welcome, @StringOFperils!
	9:16am Jeff Golick: Whoops, I thought I grabbed the full orchestra version of this, but got the quartet instead. I'm not sorry.
	🥁 9:16am DJpeterDE: Re: soprano, I do remember a young Branford Marsalis (who absolutely developed a distinct approach to soprano before he achieved one on tenor) saying that he emulated Steve Lacy’s tone but Wayne’s concept. And that is of course how you integrate your influences. But OTOH I remember thinking “can you do that? Isn’t Wayne’s sound indivisible from his concept?”
	🥁 9:17am DJpeterDE: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:16 I’m also not sorry as I was going to roll with the chamber orchestra version on my Tuesday show
	🥁 9:18am WR: ↳ Song: "Prometheus Unbound" by "Wayne Shorter Quartet" This Emanon album is my top priority of Wayne Shorter recordings that I missed and want to hear. Won't be around more than this few minutes. Work emergency and have to go to office I've not been to for over a year.
	🥁 9:18am Listener Gregory: Shorter's later quartet is the logical continuation of Miles's quintet. Miles's own electrification project meant he didn't continue on that path, and Shorter himself went in other directions after leaving it. But both groups were really some of the best and most adventurous groups in jazz. In my humble opinion!
	9:19am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJpeterDE @9:16 Yeah, probably so (concept+sound), but that was perhaps just how Brandford was able to communicate his synthesis in terms we could understand...
	🥁 9:19am Listener Gregory: ↳ WR @9:18 The office? What IS that?
	🥁 9:20am DJpeterDE: Taking a pill: if you bought Emanon, did you shell out for the edition with comic book? I did
	9:21am Jeff Golick: ↳ WR @9:18 @WR, thanks for stopping by and sorry to hear re work! Emanon comes with a comic book!
	🥁 9:21am DJpeterDE: ↳ DJpeterDE @9:20 Poll!
	9:21am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:18 I agree with this opinion!
	🥁 9:26am Listener Gregory: Now we will find out whether, as so many of you have questioned, I can fry an egg while listening to the radio. Bets must be placed before the first egg is cracked.
	9:26am adamdoesit: Good morning, Jeff G and excursionists.
	🥁 9:27am hyde: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:26 i'm shocked to find gambling going on in this establishment
	🥁 9:29am DJpeterDE: I was privileged to see the quartet twice a few months apart in 2004. The first time with Bob Hurst subbing, who I prefer to Patitucci in other contexts, but he was in over his head and the band never took flight. Then with JP back in: they launched! One of the highlights of my concert going life!
	9:31am Jeff Golick: @adamdoesit! Thank you for taking such fine care of the Drummer stream during your year of adopted parenthood. I don't know how you managed it so that we each got the same amount of ice cream, but know it was appreciated.
	🥁 9:31am DJpeterDE: On another topic: following up on our coffee convo, I read a paper that said I roasted beans have carcinogens in them so that the roasting process removes them and so dark roast is better than light (in that respect)
	9:31am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJpeterDE @9:29 Never saw the quartet. My D:O partner Jeff J. saw the group twice, I believe, and just raved about it.
	9:32am Sem: Good morning, Jeff, D:O-ers, gamblers, bramblers, scramblers, scribblers, dribblers, drabblers, porters, reporters, torters, and Shorters.
	9:34am Jeff Golick: How do you do, @Sem!
	🥁 9:35am DJpeterDE: Wayne deserves more credit for his whistling
	🥁 9:35am Listener Gregory: ↳ hyde @9:27 Indeed. Should I deliver your winnings to the car?
	9:36am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:31 It was easy, Jeff: I just provided a gallon per day per DJ. It was much easier than pulling together a tribute to a giant who's gone to join the ancestors. Thank you for doing that, for Wayne and for us all.
	🥁 9:36am doctorjazz: I got to see the quartet, think it was 2015, at NJ Performing Arts Center, at a woefully underattended performance. I took MsJazz; that was a tactical error. I thought I was hearing a rebirth of the 60's Blue Note Shorter sound-it clearly wasn't that (it wasn't dissonant, which is what led me to believe MsJazz would enjoy it). What it was waw very abstract-melodies are there, but buried in a constant motion, shifting textures, they require a lot of close listening. Even when Shorter played a melody from 60s record, you had to know it, and then dig it out to recognize what he was playing. In short, I dug it, MsJazz, not so much...
	🥁 9:37am hyde: i confess i only saw Wayne Shorter live with Weather Report
	9:38am Andrew in Toronto: Good morning Jeff and all other listeners!
	🥁 9:39am doctorjazz: ↳ hyde @9:37 I wish I had seen him with Weather Report...
	9:39am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ hyde @9:37 Hi hyde!
	9:39am Jeff Golick: Hey there, @Andrew in Toronto!
	🥁 9:39am Doug Schulkind: So happy to be here enjoying this (not unlike every other Sunday morning). I had been hoping you would do this particular program, Jeff. Somehow, the music always sounds better and more meaningful when you play it.
	9:40am mic_a: Hello Jeff and outer circles. Present, on and off.
	9:40am Dave M: Love this piece.
	9:41am Dave M: ("Zero Gravity")
	🥁 9:41am doctorjazz: ↳ DJpeterDE @9:20 I have the Comic Book Vinyl version as well (which came with a digital download, I believe, which I actually started listening to the day before Shorter passed away, not knowing anything, just interested in it as I hadn't gotten to it all that much...)
	9:41am Jeff Golick: ↳ Doug Schulkind @9:39 That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me, Doug.
	9:42am Jeff Golick: @mic_a, let's get orbiting!
	🥁 9:42am doctorjazz: Oh, and Happy Erev Marathon!
	9:42am Jeff Golick: Izzat DJ Dave M? Greetings, good sir!
	🥁 9:44am hyde: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:39 hi AiT!
	9:44am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ doctorjazz @9:42 Hi doc!
	🥁 9:45am doctorjazz: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:44 Hello Andrew!
	9:45am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Sem @9:32 Hiya Sem!
	9:48am adamdoesit: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:38 Good morning, AiT.
	9:49am Dave M: Yup. Loving the show, Jeff.
	9:50am Sem: AiT: good morning from sunny Nova Scotia.
	🥁 9:52am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Valse Triste" by "Wayne Shorter" As we go backwards in time, the music does see (to me) to get less dense, a bit more accompaniment/melody and less texture, abstraction of melody. Though you can hear him going in the directions of the 2000+ quartets here at the start of the 2000's
	🥁 9:53am Brian in UK: ↳ doctorjazz @9:39 doc only ever saw him with WR.
	9:53am Jeff Golick: ↳ Dave M @9:49 Aw nice! Can't wait for your marathon shows, Dave. One hour? With prizes? High difficulty quotient!
	🥁 9:55am Listener Gregory: ↳ doctorjazz @9:52 But if you KEEP on going back... to the live shows with the Miles quintet, you arrive again at the concerts that are very allusive, with soloists going out onto the tiniest twig of a limb. You can almost hear the audience thinking, "Wait, is this still My Funny Valentine??"
	9:55am adamdoesit: ↳ Song: "Valse Triste" by "Wayne Shorter" Little bit of "I Found a New Baby" in there.
	🥁 9:57am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ Good ⦿Sunday FMUvianz ~
	9:58am Andrew in Toronto: Here`s a link to Wayne`s book: www.amazon.com...
	🥁 9:58am doctorjazz: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:55 True dat, though the density of improv seemed different with the Miles group. I'd sorta describe it (hard to find words) as the Miles groups sort of exploding-everything shooting out, getting diffuse in a way. The 2k Shorter groups seem to implode- getting denser rather than more airy. (of course this is very imprecise...)
	10:00am Dave M: Jeff: A one-hour Marathon show is hard to do! I've MC'd them but never hosted one myself. Counting on the legendary generosity of the FMU listenership.
	🥁 10:01am chresti: Hi Jeff and de outters! Making coffee..
	🥁 10:03am doctorjazz: www.nytimes.com... www.nytimes.com... A couple of NY Times articles on Shorter.
	10:06am Jeff Golick: @chresti! I should do that, too...welcome!
	10:06am Jeff Golick: @RevRab! Good Sunday!
	🥁 10:07am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Remember the earliest impression & first thing one heard was how much he evoked Coltrane ...with Miles saying - Wayne's a great Writer - just you wait everyone will catch up to that. Long since not a whisper of that anymore !
	🥁 10:07am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Diana" by "Wayne Shorter featuring Milton Nascime... Does anyone know what that sound effect is in this song? Where his saxophone suddenly shimmers.
	10:07am Jeff Golick: ↳ doctorjazz @10:03 Thanks for the links, doc.
	🥁 10:08am doctorjazz: Drinkin' my coffee, sittin' in my chair, listenin' on my headphones, waitin' on my sleepin' family, catchin' up on office work, feelin' pretty good, happy to be here with the D.O. fam!
	🥁 10:11am doctorjazz: Y'know, Shorter's soprano tone is quite different here than on the 2000+ recordings. It has more bite later, thinner, edgier, I suspect some of it is age/breath (don't throw things at me...) Not much vibrato either time period (like Steve Lacy, I suppose)...
	🥁 10:13am doctorjazz: I like the clicky-star option (is it new? Never noticed it before), where you can see who clicky-starred a particular tune. I saw that RRN63 had done it for one that I clicky-starred, before he even posted on the board. Hey RRN63!
	10:16am TDK60: I just tried an online translation of Moto Grosso Feio from Portuguese to English and got: Ugly Thick Bike.
	🥁 10:17am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Moto Grosso Feio" by "Wayne Shorter" I don't know this album at all. Native Dancer is my favorite Shorter record. I used to play it late at night before going to sleep.
	🥁 10:18am Doug Schulkind: Jeff, my favorite of the umpteen Jazz Messenger configurations was also the one that featured Shorter up front with Lee Morgan. With Bobby Timmons throwing those churchy chords around. Such profound beauty.
	10:19am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ TDK60 @10:16 Hi TDK60!
	🥁 10:20am doctorjazz: Love all of the above, if I'm pulling out Shorter albums, most likely to go for Juju and/or Speak No Evil (boring, I know...)
	10:20am Jeff Golick: ↳ TDK60 @10:16 Hmmm.
	10:21am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:17 Moto Grosso Feio and Odyssey of Iska, both bizarrely hard to find -- recall searching for those during the blog era of the mid-to-late aughts.
	10:22am TDK60: Hi Andrew.
	🥁 10:22am Listener Gregory: The CES convention apparently has introduced two different refrigerators that have speakers in them, so that you can stream music while making ice cubes. I guess that's progress?
	🥁 10:23am hyde: @doc but those are both soooooo good
	10:24am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ chresti @10:01 Hiya crestikins!
	🥁 10:25am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ doctorjazz @10:13 I am the clickyslut of all time. It says more probly if I don't clicky☆ something. Rather than using them as bookmarks for, say, something I'm gonna buy (no income, not happening) & look into later - I relate to it as interaction - like fb Likes or the closest we have to applause. & just gives me the illusion of doing one thing more than passively taking it all in like a functionless squalling infant forever @ Mother's musical breast... On Sundays here - which of these heroically accomplished & relevant Artists should not meet with my admiration & approval ?? Why - surely each & every one...
	10:25am adamdoesit: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:22 That opens up new culinary possibilities. Cover and marinate for two hours at medium tempo…
	10:26am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:22 The fascination with "smart" devices, and now AI-aided...everything?...is something I don't get and only adds to my grumpy old man bona fides.
	🥁 10:27am hyde: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:26 i'm using ChatGPT to create my comments now! saves me so much time
	10:27am adamdoesit: ↳ doctorjazz @10:11 doc, I'd clicky-star your notes on Shorter if I could; they're the fruit of sustained and careful listening.
	🥁 10:28am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:22 Pretty sure a massive iPad type screen on every fridge will be the norm inside three years tops. Who doesn't want HiDef displays of 1,000s killed in Earthquakes & Proxy Wars & Donald Drumpf's face every hour when reaching for that leftover snack @ all hours ?? ...I suppose one could have a slideshow of kid's art still...
	10:29am Jeff Golick: One of the fun things about the clicky stars (not new, btw, doc, just low profile_ is seeing a song come up that you starred a while back. Like a note from your past self.
	10:30am mic_a: Okay, I guess my book report is due. I finished Olga Tokarczuk's "The Books Of Jacob" a couple of weeks ago (took a couple of months). Very good, very worth the journey. Though -- and I think this is a good thing -- she does leave it up to you to work out what you've gotten from it afterwards. I suppose I would just note quickly that although there's a lot of journeying within it, it is no simple-minded 'hero's journey' (and Jacob is certainly no hero, more like crazy cult leader), but a collective narrative with constant movement between many characters, least of all Jacob -- who is mostly a cipher seen through other's eyes. Otherwise... it certainly rubbishes notions of nationalist purity, with borders and leaders constantly shifting; and people and languages in constant flux (and so Tokarczuk gets death threats from the Polish right). There's a lot more to consider (history as non-linear process, the power of extended families, etc), but I'll leave that to you someday, maybe.
	10:30am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @10:27 We are now the machines.
	🥁 10:30am hyde: ↳ mic_a @10:30 i gotta get on that one
	🥁 10:32am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Joy" by "Wayne Shorter" Went to my record rack, I do have a French Reissue LP of Iska (which is under-listened by moi, judging by the track just played), don't have Moto Grosso Feio, will have to search it out...
	🥁 10:32am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "Dindi" by "Wayne Shorter" A couple weeks after Woodstock - similar tumultuous celebratory energy ?? Can I say ? Read Maria Booker was intimidated by these luminaries - & that's why she weeps here. The band rising in appreciation afterwards ...I'm always moved.
	10:32am Jeff Golick: ↳ mic_a @10:30 Thanks for this, @mic_a! And congrats on finishing. It does sound amazing. And I think it's out in paperback. Quickly approaching the one book in/one book out situation here at home, though. Read the Mick Herron spy novel Slow Horses on recent flights to/from Colorado. Good stuff. Perhaps not Nobel-worthy, but good travel reading.
	10:32am TDK60: I'm a grouch too, Jeff. Many human beings walk around with their "smart" gizmos expecting me to jump out of their way on the sidewalk. I shouted at one the other day, that they were about to run into me, but of course the human couldn't hear me with their "earbuds" on.
	🥁 10:33am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Dindi" by "Wayne Shorter" This has a samba feel...
	10:33am Stork: Loving every pick here !
	🥁 10:33am DJpeterDE: ↳ Doug Schulkind @9:39 To Doug's point: I have all these records. There's no reason I should be listening, except that context changes the way we listen. Thanks, Jeff!
	10:34am Jeff Golick: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @10:32 I read elsewhere it was because she was going through a rough patch with husband (and guitarist on this date) Walter Booker -- they split up a week after this recording.
	🥁 10:34am DJpeterDE: Turn up the volume and hear her break down at the end of her vocal. Extraordinary.
	🥁 10:35am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:34 Hm. Both maybe. Never not affected by it.
	10:37am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:26 Yesterday I read that New Yorker article on AI-enabled psychotherapy. Happily, it wasn't fanfic, but I found it infuriating anyway. Why is it easy to throw billions at replacing humans with machines, but unimaginable to train lots more therapists, establish nationwide licensing reciprocity, and force insurers to make it affordable?
	🥁 10:38am doctorjazz: ↳ DJpeterDE @10:33 What DJpeterDE (and Doug) said, the curating of the tracks is great!
	10:38am Stork: ↳ DJpeterDE @10:34 I played this on air a while back and thought I'd heard her choke up, but thought i must be imagining it. nope.
	🥁 10:38am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Dindi" by "Wayne Shorter" Here's the samba again
	10:39am Stork: ↳ Song: "Miyako" by "Wayne Shorter" Wie schöööön!!!
	🥁 10:40am doctorjazz: ↳ adamdoesit @10:37 I suppose it has to do with corporate profits versus patient care. Removing the human element of care/service seems to always be more cost effective overall...
	🥁 10:41am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ doctorjazz @10:40 en.wikipedia.org...
	🥁 10:43am doctorjazz: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @10:41 Scary stuff...
	10:44am adamdoesit: ↳ doctorjazz @10:40 Priorities, I guess.
	🥁 10:52am doctorjazz: Just ordered a copy of Moto Grosso Feio on Discogs...
	10:52am Dean: I have no need for a "smart" device. To the contrary, I would find carrying one around a burden far exceeding any benefits it might occasion. And I, too, am sick of all the hype about AI, as I was in the '80s about all of the silly chatter about Minsky et al., but then I was sick in the '80s and '90s of all the hype about the Internet, the WWW, and so forth. It's the hype, not the technology, that irritates me. For a counter-example, see this NYT story about the use of AI for improved diagnosis of breast cancer: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/05/technology/artificial-intelligence-breast-cancer-detection.html Of course capitalism is driving these sorts of innovations, and that's an issue to be dealt with. But on balance it seems to me that technology like this is a good thing. ChatGPT, etc., are another story, as they have no immediately obvious narrow application by which we can measure their utility.
	🥁 10:53am doctorjazz: ↳ doctorjazz @10:52 If actual patient care was the main goal of US Health Care, we wouldn't have the fractures, spotty system we have...
	🥁 10:53am DJpeterDE: Will have to go back to the bookshelf to refresh my memory on this track: basically, was it Teo or Miles who basically just said "let's take two takes one after the other and splice em" PS I did really like the 33-1/3 edition on Bitches Brew.
	10:56am Uncle Michael: US health care: An intermediary between providers and patients for the express purpose of extracting cash from misery on behalf of shareholders. Monetize everything. Monetize suffering and desperation.
	🥁 10:56am Listener Gregory: The problem with the streaming refrigerators and the like is that tech is just added on top of the product, as if people need a refrigerator with speakers, a washing machine with WiFi, a watch that can give therapy, etc.
	10:58am Uncle Michael: I want an app to play me Otis Redding's "You Left the Water Running", when I have.
	10:58am mic_a: I got the UK paperback last year: https://fitzcarraldoeditions.com/books/the-books-of-jacob I can imagine the faux stickers and badges and blurbs the US edition will have splattered all over the cover. Following up on the Pynchon thread a little while back, here's a rather good appreciation of "Gravity's Rainbow" on its 50th anniversary: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/history-is-hard-to-decode-on-50-years-of-thomas-pynchons-gravitys-rainbow/
	🥁 10:58am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: A screen showing what's in the fridge without opening it might be welcome.
	🥁 10:59am chresti: ↳ Dean @10:52 I welcome any innovations in breast cancer screening that doesn't involve clamps and/or vice grips!
	🥁 10:59am doctorjazz: ↳ DJpeterDE @10:53 There was Columbia 1998 4 CD box set, with the complete unedited recordings as well as the final product, haven't listened to it in quite a while, but found it really interesting when it came out.
	11:00am mic_a: @Rabbit -- a window would do that.
	🥁 11:00am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Uncle Michael @10:58 Srsly ?? ...if the Artificial is so gawdamm Intelligent - why can't we have nice things awlready...
	11:01am spodiodi: good morning, Jeff! OUTies ☀️
	🥁 11:01am doctorjazz: ↳ Uncle Michael @10:58 I've set up the YouTube video for Slim Harpo's Baby, Scratch My Back, to be played whenever MsJazz requests the same (but I'd love it automated...)
	11:01am Jeff Golick: ↳ chresti @10:59 What, you want healthcare designed with you in mind? Hilarious.
	11:02am Jeff Golick: @spodiodi!
	🥁 11:02am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ mic_a @11:00 ...?! Yeah, maybe. Why don't we have them then ? ...We don't wanna see what's mouldering in there ?? ...much less if our leftovers are twerking on TicToc...
	11:04am mic_a: The romance of mystery...
	11:05am mic_a: That wonderful moment of, "ooh, let's see what we've got in here" as you open the door.
	11:06am mic_a: Please, no inventory on a screen (phoning home to a corporate server).
	🥁 11:07am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...but I can see being in the supermarket & being able to look into the fridge & cupboard ...which - yeah - means Lunch will be Hacked of course - since even the inside of yer fridge won't be private...
	11:07am Jeff Golick: One of the funny (?) things about the chatbot AI stuff is how it turns out the bot is as lazy as any human, making up references and citations to make their (demonstrably false) claims.
	11:08am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ spodiodi @11:01 Hiya spodi!
	🥁 11:09am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Surveillance Salad... Like they say AI Art does lousy Hands cause it samples too many lousy Artists who can't do Hands...
	11:09am Uncle Michael: ↳ mic_a @11:05 We call that "is there anything good on?"
	🥁 11:09am chresti: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:07 A "smart refrigerator" tsking you if you don't have fresh vegetables
	11:09am adamdoesit: ↳ mic_a @10:58 Thanks for the link. Gravity's Rainbow is such a dusty little historical curiosity. What could a novel about race, sex, empire, music, mathematical certainty, and fascists and their rockets have to say to the reader of today??
	🥁 11:10am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Grey Goo for Dinner...
	11:10am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @11:09 I've toted the same mass market ed of Gravity's Rainbow around with me for decades, apartment to apartment. Still haven't made it through.
	🥁 11:11am chresti: ↳ chresti @11:09 or wagging a mechanical finger at you
	11:11am adamdoesit: I'll buy into smart fridges when they automagically cycle edible leftovers to the front, and compost the science experiments that I'm too, uh, intellectually curious to throw away.
	11:11am Dean: I wish I could find that article in New Yorker, Atlantic, Mother Jones, or some such from the '90s in which the author mocks all the hoopla about computing power on a singing birthday card being as much as what was powering the Apollo moon missions. It was hilarious, and exactly correct.
	11:12am Jeff Golick: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:10 I think I have the same edition Timothy Leary had: www.reddit.com...
	11:13am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Nefertiti (session reel)" by "Miles Davis" Listen for a convo between the band and Teo about five minutes into this one...
	11:16am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:10 I made reading it a summer project a couple three years ago. Very pleasurable and worth it. Tough going at first, but stay with it, let the words carry you, and you'll find yourself able to grok it. There's a great and freaky jazz episode tucked away inside…
	11:20am Uncle Michael: Technology: "Believe it if you need it. If you don't just pass it on."
	🥁 11:21am doctorjazz: ↳ Uncle Michael @11:20 😊
	🥁 11:21am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Nefertiti (session reel)" by "Miles Davis" Very cool!!!
	🥁 11:22am DJpeterDE: ↳ doctorjazz @10:59 yeah of course! I was thinking I'd have to go to that collection, and the Chambers bio, and the Troupe "autobio," and the 33-1/3, and then i got exhausted and thought "maybe i'll just comment here and someone will save me the trouble"
	🥁 11:23am DJpeterDE: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:07 It's when the chatbot starting saying "you don't love your wife you love me" that I shifted from "okay this isn't funny anymore"
	🥁 11:24am DJpeterDE: Also the guy who taught ChatGPT that 2+2=5
	🥁 11:26am Listener Gregory: I reread Gravity's Rainbow last year and really enjoyed it. Also, this Plugged Nickel box set is what I was referring to earlier—a high point in music.
	11:28am Jeff Golick: Wayne enters slowly here, but goes places.
	11:31am adamdoesit: Apropos of… something to do with technology, my wife replaced her 20 year old clock radio, which was making weird popping sounds (speaker cutting in and out unbidden). I thought I'd open it up and DeOxIt before setting it out on the stoop. Five screws, and it came apart to reveal a board scattered with microswitches, all linked by clever plastic fingers to the familar dial-and-button interface on the outside.
	🥁 11:31am doctorjazz: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:28 He goes quite out...
	11:33am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @11:31 That is cool! I used to love taking apart dead or near-dead electronics to see what's up. So much harder to do that now...
	🥁 11:33am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "All Blues" by "Miles Davis" The Coltrane spirit coming thru strong just then ...which was always more than okay from where I sit... I won't even ask which band was in front just then. It's a stupid question...
	🥁 11:34am DJpeterDE: ↳ adamdoesit @11:31 the new Fisher Price phonograph is completed faked too twitter.com...
	11:38am adamdoesit: ↳ DJpeterDE @11:34 That is so weird. I had a Fisher Price record player once upon a time. A kid could look at the thing, and begin to undrstand how it worked…
	🥁 11:39am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "All Blues" by "Miles Davis" This tune sounded so different all the different times Miles played/recorded it.
	🥁 11:40am hyde: so the Shorter tribute needs to be longer?
	🥁 11:40am Listener Gregory: Shorter's second greatest composition is Lester Left Town. @Hyde: Ha!
	11:42am StringOFperils: ↳ hyde @11:40 A longer Shorter life would have been preferable.
	🥁 11:43am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Footprints" by "Wayne Shorter" Has a bit more "swing" in the rhythm than the Miles version.
	🥁 11:43am DJpeterDE: ↳ adamdoesit @11:38 it's terrible. maybe even worse than the "get a soundform of your dead grandma's voice tattooed on your arm"
	🥁 11:43am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Footprints" by "Wayne Shorter" Think there was a quick nod to A Love Supreme in there...
	11:43am Andrew in Toronto: That was a lovely tribute ! Thanks Jeff!
	11:44am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @11:40 Haha yes. I guess so.
	🥁 11:44am DJpeterDE: ↳ Song: "Footprints" by "Wayne Shorter" I have a recording of my post-college trio and the pianist spontaneously goes into this tune and you can hear me say "oh no," didn't like the tempo or the fact that I had to hold down the bassline. Had only heard this version then, didn't have the Miles record.
	🥁 11:46am doctorjazz: Almost the end, huh (went by SOOOOO quickly)? Great Tribute!! Looking forward to part 2. Thanks Jeff!
	🥁 11:48am Listener Gregory: There's a good 13 minutes left, so this is NOT the end!
	11:48am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @11:38 This is so so so stupid. (But a great thread.)
	11:49am Jeff Golick: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @11:43 My pleasure, Andrew!
	11:49am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJpeterDE @11:44 hahaha. Some of the tempos of that Miles group took on the classic book -- insane.
	11:51am Stork: Saving the biggee for the last! What a schweet shew, Jeff! Thank you!
	🥁 11:52am Yvang: Hi Jeff. Beautiful tribute, indeed!
	11:53am adamdoesit: Agreed, beautiful tribute, Jeff G. I have to admit, I haven't put in the time listening to Wayne the way many of you have. I see that I have a lot to look forward to. Thank you for the primer.
	11:55am Stork: and now for something completely Mark E - www.wfmu.org...
	🥁 11:55am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Infant Eyes" by "Wayne Shorter" That;s so beautiful! (getting in some Blakey, cool!
	🥁 11:55am Doug Schulkind: Loved every minute of it, Jeff.
	11:56am Uncle Michael: Thanks for the Shorter. I wish it was longer.
	11:56am spodiodi: Thanks Jeff!
	11:56am Jeff Golick: ↳ Yvang @11:52 Hey, @Yvang! Glad you were here!
	🥁 11:57am hyde: awesome show, thanks!
	11:57am mic_a: Thanks Jeff! Best wishes, all. Stay away from the Artificial Idiots, kids -- they'll steal your underwear and sell it to the higest bidder.
	🥁 11:58am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Gee Baby, Ain't I Good to You" by "Art Blakey & t... You are good to us, Jeff. Thanks!
	🥁 11:58am Yvang: ↳ Uncle Michael @11:56 I repressed the urge to say exactly this
	11:59am Uncle Michael: ↳ Yvang @11:58 WHY?!
	🥁 11:59am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJ JeffG ~
	11:59am listener james from westwood: Thanks kindly, Wayne and Jeff!
	🥁 12:00pm Yvang: ↳ Uncle Michael @11:59 My brain is producing puns all the time...
	12:03pm Jeff Golick: Praise Wayne! Thanks one and all!
	🥁 12:04pm chresti: Thanks Jeff!
	12:04pm StringOFperils: Thanks Jeff!
	12:26pm TDK60: Thanks, Jeff.

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March 5, 2023: Wayne Shorter, RIP.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble	Tatas-Matoes	Congliptious	Nessa	1968		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun Ra	The Perfect Man "The Perfect Man" by "Sun Ra"	My Brother The Wind, Vol. I	Saturn Research	1970		0:02:31 (Pop-up)
Wayne Shorter Quartet	Prometheus Unbound	Emanon	Blue Note	2013		0:08:25 (Pop-up)
Wayne Shorter Quartet	Adventures Aboard the Golden Mean	2016.12.01 - Monte Carlo	[boot]	2016		0:22:27 (Pop-up)
Wayne Shorter, Terri Lyne Carrington, Esperanza Spalding, Leo Genovese	Midnight in Carlotta's Hair	Live at the Detroit Jazz Festivavl	Candid	2017		0:28:04 (Pop-up)
Wayne Shorter Quartet	Zero Gravity to the 10th Power	Without a Net	Blue Note	2013		0:34:09 (Pop-up)
Wayne Shorter	Orbits "Orbits" by "Wayne Shorter"	Alegría	Verve	2003		0:42:23 (Pop-up)
Wayne Shorter	Valse Triste "Valse Triste" by "Wayne Shorter"	Footprints Live!	Verve	2002		0:48:06 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Kirk Lightsey & Harold Danko	Ana Maria					0:56:08 (Pop-up)
Wayne Shorter featuring Milton Nascimento	Diana	Native Dancer	Columbia	1975		1:04:19 (Pop-up)
Wayne Shorter	Moto Grosso Feio "Moto Grosso Feio" by "Wayne Shorter"	Moto Grosso Feio	Blue Note	1970/1974		1:08:15 (Pop-up)
Wayne Shorter	Joy "Joy" by "Wayne Shorter"	Odyssey of Iska	Blue Note	1971		1:19:32 (Pop-up)
Wayne Shorter	Dindi "Dindi" by "Wayne Shorter"	Super Nova	Blue Note	1969		1:28:40 (Pop-up)
Wayne Shorter	Miyako "Miyako" by "Wayne Shorter"	Schizophrenia	Blue Note	1969		1:38:04 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Kirk Lightsey & Harold Danko	Iris					1:42:57 (Pop-up)
Miles Davis	Sanctuary "Sanctuary" by "Miles Davis"	Bitches Brew	Columbia	1969		1:51:06 (Pop-up)
Miles Davis	Masqualero "Masqualero" by "Miles Davis"	Live in Europe 1967 - The Bootleg Series Vol. 1	Columbia	1967/2011	November 2, 1967, Copenhagen	2:02:06 (Pop-up)
Miles Davis	Nefertiti (session reel)	Freedom Jazz Dance: The Bootleg Series, Vol. 5	Columbia	1967/2016		2:12:01 (Pop-up)
Miles Davis	All Blues "All Blues" by "Miles Davis"	The Complete Live at the Plugged Nickel 1965, December 23, fourth set	Columbia	1965		2:23:39 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Kirk Lightsey & Harold Danko	Dance Cadaverous					2:35:44 (Pop-up)
Wayne Shorter	Footprints "Footprints" by "Wayne Shorter"	Adam's Apple	Blue Note	1966		2:40:46 (Pop-up)
Wayne Shorter	Infant Eyes "Infant Eyes" by "Wayne Shorter"	Speak No Evil	Blue Note	1964		2:47:18 (Pop-up)
Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers	Gee Baby, Ain't I Good to You	Art Blakey!!!!! Jazz Messengers!!!!!	Impulse!	1961		2:54:04 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Dudu Pukwana & Spear	Flute Music "Flute Music" by "Dudu Pukwana & Spear"	Flute Music	Caroline	1975		2:58:34 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	9:00am Uncle Michael: Morning!
	9:01am Jeff Golick: Well we know you can get up this early. Good morning! And thank you!
	🥁 9:01am hyde: hello!
	9:02am Jeff Golick: Hey, @hyde!
	🥁 9:02am Brian in UK: Hello Jeff. Wayne Shorter seemed to be a timeless fella.
	9:02am Uncle Michael: This is hour-three of my day. I can only take so much night.
	🥁 9:03am doctorjazz: Hello Outies!
	9:03am Jeff Golick: @Brian in UK, hello, and agreed. G'morning, @doctorjazz!
	9:05am Uncle Michael: My pleasure!
	9:06am Uncle Michael: WFMU fundraising: all of the gelt...none of the guilt. Take that, NPR.
	9:06am listener james from westwood: Morning, Jeff and all!
	9:07am TDK60: Good morning, Jeff.
	9:09am Stork: It's Wayne-ing in my heart, but I'm here! Hello OO-Trays!!
	9:09am Listener Gregory: Morning, all.
	🥁 9:10am DJpeterDE: Re: describing his sound, I’ve always remembered a review (Francis Davis maybe?) of Conrad Silvert presents live at the opera: saying the album was uneven but a good place to hear what was then a rare commodity, Wayne’s “inky and enveloping tenor.” But I’ve never heard a good description of his soprano sound
	9:11am Jeff Golick: Aloha, @listner james from westwood! Good morn, @TDK60! At least the days aren't getting shorter, @Stork. Hiya! Wassup, @Listener Gregory!
	9:11am StringOFperils: Good morning, Jeff. Good morning everyone.
	9:12am Jeff Golick: Inky! That is good. Hey, @DJpeterDE! Welcome, @StringOFperils!
	9:16am Jeff Golick: Whoops, I thought I grabbed the full orchestra version of this, but got the quartet instead. I'm not sorry.
	🥁 9:16am DJpeterDE: Re: soprano, I do remember a young Branford Marsalis (who absolutely developed a distinct approach to soprano before he achieved one on tenor) saying that he emulated Steve Lacy’s tone but Wayne’s concept. And that is of course how you integrate your influences. But OTOH I remember thinking “can you do that? Isn’t Wayne’s sound indivisible from his concept?”
	🥁 9:17am DJpeterDE: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:16 I’m also not sorry as I was going to roll with the chamber orchestra version on my Tuesday show
	🥁 9:18am WR: ↳ Song: "Prometheus Unbound" by "Wayne Shorter Quartet" This Emanon album is my top priority of Wayne Shorter recordings that I missed and want to hear. Won't be around more than this few minutes. Work emergency and have to go to office I've not been to for over a year.
	🥁 9:18am Listener Gregory: Shorter's later quartet is the logical continuation of Miles's quintet. Miles's own electrification project meant he didn't continue on that path, and Shorter himself went in other directions after leaving it. But both groups were really some of the best and most adventurous groups in jazz. In my humble opinion!
	9:19am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJpeterDE @9:16 Yeah, probably so (concept+sound), but that was perhaps just how Brandford was able to communicate his synthesis in terms we could understand...
	🥁 9:19am Listener Gregory: ↳ WR @9:18 The office? What IS that?
	🥁 9:20am DJpeterDE: Taking a pill: if you bought Emanon, did you shell out for the edition with comic book? I did
	9:21am Jeff Golick: ↳ WR @9:18 @WR, thanks for stopping by and sorry to hear re work! Emanon comes with a comic book!
	🥁 9:21am DJpeterDE: ↳ DJpeterDE @9:20 Poll!
	9:21am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:18 I agree with this opinion!
	🥁 9:26am Listener Gregory: Now we will find out whether, as so many of you have questioned, I can fry an egg while listening to the radio. Bets must be placed before the first egg is cracked.
	9:26am adamdoesit: Good morning, Jeff G and excursionists.
	🥁 9:27am hyde: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:26 i'm shocked to find gambling going on in this establishment
	🥁 9:29am DJpeterDE: I was privileged to see the quartet twice a few months apart in 2004. The first time with Bob Hurst subbing, who I prefer to Patitucci in other contexts, but he was in over his head and the band never took flight. Then with JP back in: they launched! One of the highlights of my concert going life!
	9:31am Jeff Golick: @adamdoesit! Thank you for taking such fine care of the Drummer stream during your year of adopted parenthood. I don't know how you managed it so that we each got the same amount of ice cream, but know it was appreciated.
	🥁 9:31am DJpeterDE: On another topic: following up on our coffee convo, I read a paper that said I roasted beans have carcinogens in them so that the roasting process removes them and so dark roast is better than light (in that respect)
	9:31am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJpeterDE @9:29 Never saw the quartet. My D:O partner Jeff J. saw the group twice, I believe, and just raved about it.
	9:32am Sem: Good morning, Jeff, D:O-ers, gamblers, bramblers, scramblers, scribblers, dribblers, drabblers, porters, reporters, torters, and Shorters.
	9:34am Jeff Golick: How do you do, @Sem!
	🥁 9:35am DJpeterDE: Wayne deserves more credit for his whistling
	🥁 9:35am Listener Gregory: ↳ hyde @9:27 Indeed. Should I deliver your winnings to the car?
	9:36am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @9:31 It was easy, Jeff: I just provided a gallon per day per DJ. It was much easier than pulling together a tribute to a giant who's gone to join the ancestors. Thank you for doing that, for Wayne and for us all.
	🥁 9:36am doctorjazz: I got to see the quartet, think it was 2015, at NJ Performing Arts Center, at a woefully underattended performance. I took MsJazz; that was a tactical error. I thought I was hearing a rebirth of the 60's Blue Note Shorter sound-it clearly wasn't that (it wasn't dissonant, which is what led me to believe MsJazz would enjoy it). What it was waw very abstract-melodies are there, but buried in a constant motion, shifting textures, they require a lot of close listening. Even when Shorter played a melody from 60s record, you had to know it, and then dig it out to recognize what he was playing. In short, I dug it, MsJazz, not so much...
	🥁 9:37am hyde: i confess i only saw Wayne Shorter live with Weather Report
	9:38am Andrew in Toronto: Good morning Jeff and all other listeners!
	🥁 9:39am doctorjazz: ↳ hyde @9:37 I wish I had seen him with Weather Report...
	9:39am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ hyde @9:37 Hi hyde!
	9:39am Jeff Golick: Hey there, @Andrew in Toronto!
	🥁 9:39am Doug Schulkind: So happy to be here enjoying this (not unlike every other Sunday morning). I had been hoping you would do this particular program, Jeff. Somehow, the music always sounds better and more meaningful when you play it.
	9:40am mic_a: Hello Jeff and outer circles. Present, on and off.
	9:40am Dave M: Love this piece.
	9:41am Dave M: ("Zero Gravity")
	🥁 9:41am doctorjazz: ↳ DJpeterDE @9:20 I have the Comic Book Vinyl version as well (which came with a digital download, I believe, which I actually started listening to the day before Shorter passed away, not knowing anything, just interested in it as I hadn't gotten to it all that much...)
	9:41am Jeff Golick: ↳ Doug Schulkind @9:39 That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me, Doug.
	9:42am Jeff Golick: @mic_a, let's get orbiting!
	🥁 9:42am doctorjazz: Oh, and Happy Erev Marathon!
	9:42am Jeff Golick: Izzat DJ Dave M? Greetings, good sir!
	🥁 9:44am hyde: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:39 hi AiT!
	9:44am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ doctorjazz @9:42 Hi doc!
	🥁 9:45am doctorjazz: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:44 Hello Andrew!
	9:45am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ Sem @9:32 Hiya Sem!
	9:48am adamdoesit: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @9:38 Good morning, AiT.
	9:49am Dave M: Yup. Loving the show, Jeff.
	9:50am Sem: AiT: good morning from sunny Nova Scotia.
	🥁 9:52am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Valse Triste" by "Wayne Shorter" As we go backwards in time, the music does see (to me) to get less dense, a bit more accompaniment/melody and less texture, abstraction of melody. Though you can hear him going in the directions of the 2000+ quartets here at the start of the 2000's
	🥁 9:53am Brian in UK: ↳ doctorjazz @9:39 doc only ever saw him with WR.
	9:53am Jeff Golick: ↳ Dave M @9:49 Aw nice! Can't wait for your marathon shows, Dave. One hour? With prizes? High difficulty quotient!
	🥁 9:55am Listener Gregory: ↳ doctorjazz @9:52 But if you KEEP on going back... to the live shows with the Miles quintet, you arrive again at the concerts that are very allusive, with soloists going out onto the tiniest twig of a limb. You can almost hear the audience thinking, "Wait, is this still My Funny Valentine??"
	9:55am adamdoesit: ↳ Song: "Valse Triste" by "Wayne Shorter" Little bit of "I Found a New Baby" in there.
	🥁 9:57am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ Good ⦿Sunday FMUvianz ~
	9:58am Andrew in Toronto: Here`s a link to Wayne`s book: www.amazon.com...
	🥁 9:58am doctorjazz: ↳ Listener Gregory @9:55 True dat, though the density of improv seemed different with the Miles group. I'd sorta describe it (hard to find words) as the Miles groups sort of exploding-everything shooting out, getting diffuse in a way. The 2k Shorter groups seem to implode- getting denser rather than more airy. (of course this is very imprecise...)
	10:00am Dave M: Jeff: A one-hour Marathon show is hard to do! I've MC'd them but never hosted one myself. Counting on the legendary generosity of the FMU listenership.
	🥁 10:01am chresti: Hi Jeff and de outters! Making coffee..
	🥁 10:03am doctorjazz: www.nytimes.com... www.nytimes.com... A couple of NY Times articles on Shorter.
	10:06am Jeff Golick: @chresti! I should do that, too...welcome!
	10:06am Jeff Golick: @RevRab! Good Sunday!
	🥁 10:07am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Remember the earliest impression & first thing one heard was how much he evoked Coltrane ...with Miles saying - Wayne's a great Writer - just you wait everyone will catch up to that. Long since not a whisper of that anymore !
	🥁 10:07am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Diana" by "Wayne Shorter featuring Milton Nascime... Does anyone know what that sound effect is in this song? Where his saxophone suddenly shimmers.
	10:07am Jeff Golick: ↳ doctorjazz @10:03 Thanks for the links, doc.
	🥁 10:08am doctorjazz: Drinkin' my coffee, sittin' in my chair, listenin' on my headphones, waitin' on my sleepin' family, catchin' up on office work, feelin' pretty good, happy to be here with the D.O. fam!
	🥁 10:11am doctorjazz: Y'know, Shorter's soprano tone is quite different here than on the 2000+ recordings. It has more bite later, thinner, edgier, I suspect some of it is age/breath (don't throw things at me...) Not much vibrato either time period (like Steve Lacy, I suppose)...
	🥁 10:13am doctorjazz: I like the clicky-star option (is it new? Never noticed it before), where you can see who clicky-starred a particular tune. I saw that RRN63 had done it for one that I clicky-starred, before he even posted on the board. Hey RRN63!
	10:16am TDK60: I just tried an online translation of Moto Grosso Feio from Portuguese to English and got: Ugly Thick Bike.
	🥁 10:17am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Moto Grosso Feio" by "Wayne Shorter" I don't know this album at all. Native Dancer is my favorite Shorter record. I used to play it late at night before going to sleep.
	🥁 10:18am Doug Schulkind: Jeff, my favorite of the umpteen Jazz Messenger configurations was also the one that featured Shorter up front with Lee Morgan. With Bobby Timmons throwing those churchy chords around. Such profound beauty.
	10:19am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ TDK60 @10:16 Hi TDK60!
	🥁 10:20am doctorjazz: Love all of the above, if I'm pulling out Shorter albums, most likely to go for Juju and/or Speak No Evil (boring, I know...)
	10:20am Jeff Golick: ↳ TDK60 @10:16 Hmmm.
	10:21am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:17 Moto Grosso Feio and Odyssey of Iska, both bizarrely hard to find -- recall searching for those during the blog era of the mid-to-late aughts.
	10:22am TDK60: Hi Andrew.
	🥁 10:22am Listener Gregory: The CES convention apparently has introduced two different refrigerators that have speakers in them, so that you can stream music while making ice cubes. I guess that's progress?
	🥁 10:23am hyde: @doc but those are both soooooo good
	10:24am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ chresti @10:01 Hiya crestikins!
	🥁 10:25am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ doctorjazz @10:13 I am the clickyslut of all time. It says more probly if I don't clicky☆ something. Rather than using them as bookmarks for, say, something I'm gonna buy (no income, not happening) & look into later - I relate to it as interaction - like fb Likes or the closest we have to applause. & just gives me the illusion of doing one thing more than passively taking it all in like a functionless squalling infant forever @ Mother's musical breast... On Sundays here - which of these heroically accomplished & relevant Artists should not meet with my admiration & approval ?? Why - surely each & every one...
	10:25am adamdoesit: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:22 That opens up new culinary possibilities. Cover and marinate for two hours at medium tempo…
	10:26am Jeff Golick: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:22 The fascination with "smart" devices, and now AI-aided...everything?...is something I don't get and only adds to my grumpy old man bona fides.
	🥁 10:27am hyde: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:26 i'm using ChatGPT to create my comments now! saves me so much time
	10:27am adamdoesit: ↳ doctorjazz @10:11 doc, I'd clicky-star your notes on Shorter if I could; they're the fruit of sustained and careful listening.
	🥁 10:28am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Listener Gregory @10:22 Pretty sure a massive iPad type screen on every fridge will be the norm inside three years tops. Who doesn't want HiDef displays of 1,000s killed in Earthquakes & Proxy Wars & Donald Drumpf's face every hour when reaching for that leftover snack @ all hours ?? ...I suppose one could have a slideshow of kid's art still...
	10:29am Jeff Golick: One of the fun things about the clicky stars (not new, btw, doc, just low profile_ is seeing a song come up that you starred a while back. Like a note from your past self.
	10:30am mic_a: Okay, I guess my book report is due. I finished Olga Tokarczuk's "The Books Of Jacob" a couple of weeks ago (took a couple of months). Very good, very worth the journey. Though -- and I think this is a good thing -- she does leave it up to you to work out what you've gotten from it afterwards. I suppose I would just note quickly that although there's a lot of journeying within it, it is no simple-minded 'hero's journey' (and Jacob is certainly no hero, more like crazy cult leader), but a collective narrative with constant movement between many characters, least of all Jacob -- who is mostly a cipher seen through other's eyes. Otherwise... it certainly rubbishes notions of nationalist purity, with borders and leaders constantly shifting; and people and languages in constant flux (and so Tokarczuk gets death threats from the Polish right). There's a lot more to consider (history as non-linear process, the power of extended families, etc), but I'll leave that to you someday, maybe.
	10:30am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @10:27 We are now the machines.
	🥁 10:30am hyde: ↳ mic_a @10:30 i gotta get on that one
	🥁 10:32am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Joy" by "Wayne Shorter" Went to my record rack, I do have a French Reissue LP of Iska (which is under-listened by moi, judging by the track just played), don't have Moto Grosso Feio, will have to search it out...
	🥁 10:32am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "Dindi" by "Wayne Shorter" A couple weeks after Woodstock - similar tumultuous celebratory energy ?? Can I say ? Read Maria Booker was intimidated by these luminaries - & that's why she weeps here. The band rising in appreciation afterwards ...I'm always moved.
	10:32am Jeff Golick: ↳ mic_a @10:30 Thanks for this, @mic_a! And congrats on finishing. It does sound amazing. And I think it's out in paperback. Quickly approaching the one book in/one book out situation here at home, though. Read the Mick Herron spy novel Slow Horses on recent flights to/from Colorado. Good stuff. Perhaps not Nobel-worthy, but good travel reading.
	10:32am TDK60: I'm a grouch too, Jeff. Many human beings walk around with their "smart" gizmos expecting me to jump out of their way on the sidewalk. I shouted at one the other day, that they were about to run into me, but of course the human couldn't hear me with their "earbuds" on.
	🥁 10:33am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Dindi" by "Wayne Shorter" This has a samba feel...
	10:33am Stork: Loving every pick here !
	🥁 10:33am DJpeterDE: ↳ Doug Schulkind @9:39 To Doug's point: I have all these records. There's no reason I should be listening, except that context changes the way we listen. Thanks, Jeff!
	10:34am Jeff Golick: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @10:32 I read elsewhere it was because she was going through a rough patch with husband (and guitarist on this date) Walter Booker -- they split up a week after this recording.
	🥁 10:34am DJpeterDE: Turn up the volume and hear her break down at the end of her vocal. Extraordinary.
	🥁 10:35am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:34 Hm. Both maybe. Never not affected by it.
	10:37am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @10:26 Yesterday I read that New Yorker article on AI-enabled psychotherapy. Happily, it wasn't fanfic, but I found it infuriating anyway. Why is it easy to throw billions at replacing humans with machines, but unimaginable to train lots more therapists, establish nationwide licensing reciprocity, and force insurers to make it affordable?
	🥁 10:38am doctorjazz: ↳ DJpeterDE @10:33 What DJpeterDE (and Doug) said, the curating of the tracks is great!
	10:38am Stork: ↳ DJpeterDE @10:34 I played this on air a while back and thought I'd heard her choke up, but thought i must be imagining it. nope.
	🥁 10:38am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Dindi" by "Wayne Shorter" Here's the samba again
	10:39am Stork: ↳ Song: "Miyako" by "Wayne Shorter" Wie schöööön!!!
	🥁 10:40am doctorjazz: ↳ adamdoesit @10:37 I suppose it has to do with corporate profits versus patient care. Removing the human element of care/service seems to always be more cost effective overall...
	🥁 10:41am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ doctorjazz @10:40 en.wikipedia.org...
	🥁 10:43am doctorjazz: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @10:41 Scary stuff...
	10:44am adamdoesit: ↳ doctorjazz @10:40 Priorities, I guess.
	🥁 10:52am doctorjazz: Just ordered a copy of Moto Grosso Feio on Discogs...
	10:52am Dean: I have no need for a "smart" device. To the contrary, I would find carrying one around a burden far exceeding any benefits it might occasion. And I, too, am sick of all the hype about AI, as I was in the '80s about all of the silly chatter about Minsky et al., but then I was sick in the '80s and '90s of all the hype about the Internet, the WWW, and so forth. It's the hype, not the technology, that irritates me. For a counter-example, see this NYT story about the use of AI for improved diagnosis of breast cancer: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/05/technology/artificial-intelligence-breast-cancer-detection.html Of course capitalism is driving these sorts of innovations, and that's an issue to be dealt with. But on balance it seems to me that technology like this is a good thing. ChatGPT, etc., are another story, as they have no immediately obvious narrow application by which we can measure their utility.
	🥁 10:53am doctorjazz: ↳ doctorjazz @10:52 If actual patient care was the main goal of US Health Care, we wouldn't have the fractures, spotty system we have...
	🥁 10:53am DJpeterDE: Will have to go back to the bookshelf to refresh my memory on this track: basically, was it Teo or Miles who basically just said "let's take two takes one after the other and splice em" PS I did really like the 33-1/3 edition on Bitches Brew.
	10:56am Uncle Michael: US health care: An intermediary between providers and patients for the express purpose of extracting cash from misery on behalf of shareholders. Monetize everything. Monetize suffering and desperation.
	🥁 10:56am Listener Gregory: The problem with the streaming refrigerators and the like is that tech is just added on top of the product, as if people need a refrigerator with speakers, a washing machine with WiFi, a watch that can give therapy, etc.
	10:58am Uncle Michael: I want an app to play me Otis Redding's "You Left the Water Running", when I have.
	10:58am mic_a: I got the UK paperback last year: https://fitzcarraldoeditions.com/books/the-books-of-jacob I can imagine the faux stickers and badges and blurbs the US edition will have splattered all over the cover. Following up on the Pynchon thread a little while back, here's a rather good appreciation of "Gravity's Rainbow" on its 50th anniversary: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/history-is-hard-to-decode-on-50-years-of-thomas-pynchons-gravitys-rainbow/
	🥁 10:58am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: A screen showing what's in the fridge without opening it might be welcome.
	🥁 10:59am chresti: ↳ Dean @10:52 I welcome any innovations in breast cancer screening that doesn't involve clamps and/or vice grips!
	🥁 10:59am doctorjazz: ↳ DJpeterDE @10:53 There was Columbia 1998 4 CD box set, with the complete unedited recordings as well as the final product, haven't listened to it in quite a while, but found it really interesting when it came out.
	11:00am mic_a: @Rabbit -- a window would do that.
	🥁 11:00am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Uncle Michael @10:58 Srsly ?? ...if the Artificial is so gawdamm Intelligent - why can't we have nice things awlready...
	11:01am spodiodi: good morning, Jeff! OUTies ☀️
	🥁 11:01am doctorjazz: ↳ Uncle Michael @10:58 I've set up the YouTube video for Slim Harpo's Baby, Scratch My Back, to be played whenever MsJazz requests the same (but I'd love it automated...)
	11:01am Jeff Golick: ↳ chresti @10:59 What, you want healthcare designed with you in mind? Hilarious.
	11:02am Jeff Golick: @spodiodi!
	🥁 11:02am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ mic_a @11:00 ...?! Yeah, maybe. Why don't we have them then ? ...We don't wanna see what's mouldering in there ?? ...much less if our leftovers are twerking on TicToc...
	11:04am mic_a: The romance of mystery...
	11:05am mic_a: That wonderful moment of, "ooh, let's see what we've got in here" as you open the door.
	11:06am mic_a: Please, no inventory on a screen (phoning home to a corporate server).
	🥁 11:07am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...but I can see being in the supermarket & being able to look into the fridge & cupboard ...which - yeah - means Lunch will be Hacked of course - since even the inside of yer fridge won't be private...
	11:07am Jeff Golick: One of the funny (?) things about the chatbot AI stuff is how it turns out the bot is as lazy as any human, making up references and citations to make their (demonstrably false) claims.
	11:08am Andrew in Toronto: ↳ spodiodi @11:01 Hiya spodi!
	🥁 11:09am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Surveillance Salad... Like they say AI Art does lousy Hands cause it samples too many lousy Artists who can't do Hands...
	11:09am Uncle Michael: ↳ mic_a @11:05 We call that "is there anything good on?"
	🥁 11:09am chresti: ↳ Revolution Rabbit Nov63 @11:07 A "smart refrigerator" tsking you if you don't have fresh vegetables
	11:09am adamdoesit: ↳ mic_a @10:58 Thanks for the link. Gravity's Rainbow is such a dusty little historical curiosity. What could a novel about race, sex, empire, music, mathematical certainty, and fascists and their rockets have to say to the reader of today??
	🥁 11:10am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Grey Goo for Dinner...
	11:10am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @11:09 I've toted the same mass market ed of Gravity's Rainbow around with me for decades, apartment to apartment. Still haven't made it through.
	🥁 11:11am chresti: ↳ chresti @11:09 or wagging a mechanical finger at you
	11:11am adamdoesit: I'll buy into smart fridges when they automagically cycle edible leftovers to the front, and compost the science experiments that I'm too, uh, intellectually curious to throw away.
	11:11am Dean: I wish I could find that article in New Yorker, Atlantic, Mother Jones, or some such from the '90s in which the author mocks all the hoopla about computing power on a singing birthday card being as much as what was powering the Apollo moon missions. It was hilarious, and exactly correct.
	11:12am Jeff Golick: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:10 I think I have the same edition Timothy Leary had: www.reddit.com...
	11:13am Jeff Golick: ↳ Song: "Nefertiti (session reel)" by "Miles Davis" Listen for a convo between the band and Teo about five minutes into this one...
	11:16am adamdoesit: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:10 I made reading it a summer project a couple three years ago. Very pleasurable and worth it. Tough going at first, but stay with it, let the words carry you, and you'll find yourself able to grok it. There's a great and freaky jazz episode tucked away inside…
	11:20am Uncle Michael: Technology: "Believe it if you need it. If you don't just pass it on."
	🥁 11:21am doctorjazz: ↳ Uncle Michael @11:20 😊
	🥁 11:21am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Nefertiti (session reel)" by "Miles Davis" Very cool!!!
	🥁 11:22am DJpeterDE: ↳ doctorjazz @10:59 yeah of course! I was thinking I'd have to go to that collection, and the Chambers bio, and the Troupe "autobio," and the 33-1/3, and then i got exhausted and thought "maybe i'll just comment here and someone will save me the trouble"
	🥁 11:23am DJpeterDE: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:07 It's when the chatbot starting saying "you don't love your wife you love me" that I shifted from "okay this isn't funny anymore"
	🥁 11:24am DJpeterDE: Also the guy who taught ChatGPT that 2+2=5
	🥁 11:26am Listener Gregory: I reread Gravity's Rainbow last year and really enjoyed it. Also, this Plugged Nickel box set is what I was referring to earlier—a high point in music.
	11:28am Jeff Golick: Wayne enters slowly here, but goes places.
	11:31am adamdoesit: Apropos of… something to do with technology, my wife replaced her 20 year old clock radio, which was making weird popping sounds (speaker cutting in and out unbidden). I thought I'd open it up and DeOxIt before setting it out on the stoop. Five screws, and it came apart to reveal a board scattered with microswitches, all linked by clever plastic fingers to the familar dial-and-button interface on the outside.
	🥁 11:31am doctorjazz: ↳ Jeff Golick @11:28 He goes quite out...
	11:33am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @11:31 That is cool! I used to love taking apart dead or near-dead electronics to see what's up. So much harder to do that now...
	🥁 11:33am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ↳ Song: "All Blues" by "Miles Davis" The Coltrane spirit coming thru strong just then ...which was always more than okay from where I sit... I won't even ask which band was in front just then. It's a stupid question...
	🥁 11:34am DJpeterDE: ↳ adamdoesit @11:31 the new Fisher Price phonograph is completed faked too twitter.com...
	11:38am adamdoesit: ↳ DJpeterDE @11:34 That is so weird. I had a Fisher Price record player once upon a time. A kid could look at the thing, and begin to undrstand how it worked…
	🥁 11:39am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "All Blues" by "Miles Davis" This tune sounded so different all the different times Miles played/recorded it.
	🥁 11:40am hyde: so the Shorter tribute needs to be longer?
	🥁 11:40am Listener Gregory: Shorter's second greatest composition is Lester Left Town. @Hyde: Ha!
	11:42am StringOFperils: ↳ hyde @11:40 A longer Shorter life would have been preferable.
	🥁 11:43am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Footprints" by "Wayne Shorter" Has a bit more "swing" in the rhythm than the Miles version.
	🥁 11:43am DJpeterDE: ↳ adamdoesit @11:38 it's terrible. maybe even worse than the "get a soundform of your dead grandma's voice tattooed on your arm"
	🥁 11:43am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Footprints" by "Wayne Shorter" Think there was a quick nod to A Love Supreme in there...
	11:43am Andrew in Toronto: That was a lovely tribute ! Thanks Jeff!
	11:44am Jeff Golick: ↳ hyde @11:40 Haha yes. I guess so.
	🥁 11:44am DJpeterDE: ↳ Song: "Footprints" by "Wayne Shorter" I have a recording of my post-college trio and the pianist spontaneously goes into this tune and you can hear me say "oh no," didn't like the tempo or the fact that I had to hold down the bassline. Had only heard this version then, didn't have the Miles record.
	🥁 11:46am doctorjazz: Almost the end, huh (went by SOOOOO quickly)? Great Tribute!! Looking forward to part 2. Thanks Jeff!
	🥁 11:48am Listener Gregory: There's a good 13 minutes left, so this is NOT the end!
	11:48am Jeff Golick: ↳ adamdoesit @11:38 This is so so so stupid. (But a great thread.)
	11:49am Jeff Golick: ↳ Andrew in Toronto @11:43 My pleasure, Andrew!
	11:49am Jeff Golick: ↳ DJpeterDE @11:44 hahaha. Some of the tempos of that Miles group took on the classic book -- insane.
	11:51am Stork: Saving the biggee for the last! What a schweet shew, Jeff! Thank you!
	🥁 11:52am Yvang: Hi Jeff. Beautiful tribute, indeed!
	11:53am adamdoesit: Agreed, beautiful tribute, Jeff G. I have to admit, I haven't put in the time listening to Wayne the way many of you have. I see that I have a lot to look forward to. Thank you for the primer.
	11:55am Stork: and now for something completely Mark E - www.wfmu.org...
	🥁 11:55am doctorjazz: ↳ Song: "Infant Eyes" by "Wayne Shorter" That;s so beautiful! (getting in some Blakey, cool!
	🥁 11:55am Doug Schulkind: Loved every minute of it, Jeff.
	11:56am Uncle Michael: Thanks for the Shorter. I wish it was longer.
	11:56am spodiodi: Thanks Jeff!
	11:56am Jeff Golick: ↳ Yvang @11:52 Hey, @Yvang! Glad you were here!
	🥁 11:57am hyde: awesome show, thanks!
	11:57am mic_a: Thanks Jeff! Best wishes, all. Stay away from the Artificial Idiots, kids -- they'll steal your underwear and sell it to the higest bidder.
	🥁 11:58am Listener Gregory: ↳ Song: "Gee Baby, Ain't I Good to You" by "Art Blakey & t... You are good to us, Jeff. Thanks!
	🥁 11:58am Yvang: ↳ Uncle Michael @11:56 I repressed the urge to say exactly this
	11:59am Uncle Michael: ↳ Yvang @11:58 WHY?!
	🥁 11:59am Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJ JeffG ~
	11:59am listener james from westwood: Thanks kindly, Wayne and Jeff!
	🥁 12:00pm Yvang: ↳ Uncle Michael @11:59 My brain is producing puns all the time...
	12:03pm Jeff Golick: Praise Wayne! Thanks one and all!
	🥁 12:04pm chresti: Thanks Jeff!
	12:04pm StringOFperils: Thanks Jeff!
	12:26pm TDK60: Thanks, Jeff.

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