WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 30, 2023

Listener comments!
	🤖 5:59pm Handy Haversack: Hello, Mark and Techyons! Gotta get the monsters fed, but glad to be here with you!
	🤖 6:00pm Will thee Sound Guy: Hello Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:00pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	6:01pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonscrutables! By the way, hell freezes over before I watch another Baz Luhrman movie.
	6:01pm alan the painter: yes yes hellO from down stream...
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark and web browsers!
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: 🤖!
	🤖 6:03pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: This may be relevant to today's topic: www.ioccc.org
	🤖 6:04pm herb.nyc: hola (i looked at BAZ wiki, and see he did THE GET DOWN with stephen adly guirgis. latter is great, i've seen 3 of his plays. BETWEEN RIVERSIDE AND CRAZY is so spot on nyc-centric)
	6:04pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	6:06pm gabe: evening mark, love the show.
	6:07pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining! @gabe, thank you kindly
	6:08pm Sam: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
	6:09pm ultradamno: twitter.com...
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and Techtocrats! 26 lines of code and 26 letters in the alphabet. Coincidence?
	🤖 6:10pm herb.nyc: did mark say "global war"? yay, fun stuff.
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: Most of my "failures" are hordes of library dependencies that need constant babysitting.
	🤖 6:14pm herb.nyc: out of curiosity, who here writes code as a job? or for fun? or for... i wrote code in my WATFIV class in 1980. end.
	6:15pm James Akers: I write code- for fun- mainly to blink lights in interesting ways
	🤖 6:16pm Webhamster Henry: "Will it run DOOM?" << the test of every CPU.
	6:17pm Mi-rgod: I develop code for my job and occasionally for other projects (almost like fun - at least for a good purpose i hope). Day job is software to help monitor and manage large battery arrays to make renewable energy more viable.
	🤖 6:18pm herb.nyc: code 1202 reminds me of marshak 1320, the office of my boss' boss.
	6:20pm Mark Hurst: Marshak, Mars Hack, Mars Shack
	🤖 6:22pm herb.nyc: i just checked, apollo 11 is 1969. ( was there a Radio Shack then?)
	🤖 6:23pm herb.nyc: ATMs. i remember when they were introduced. we were told "you'll save time, save money, by using them". now we get charged for using them
	6:24pm Dano59: is 'I'm in yr base killing yr doods' covered?
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Dano59 @6:24 All your base are belong to us!
	🤖 6:25pm Bas NL: Got to mention the Queen of programming; Ada Lovelace. en.wikipedia.org...
	🤖 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: 10 GOTO 10, Q.E.D. -- Niklaus Wirth
	🤖 6:26pm Deano de los Muertos: Very interesting show, Mark. My father might enjoy this book, as a former programmer
	6:27pm Mark Hurst: @Deano thanks - yes this essay collection has something for everyone - lots of different perspectives
	🤖 6:28pm herb.nyc: from the 1940s, sooo film noir-ish!
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: Here's a bunch of Ted Nelson material (archive.org) archive.org...
	6:29pm yippie: hyperlinks are like glass bead game
	6:30pm Hugo: Hermann Hesse, yeah
	6:30pm Fuzzy: I smell a Wumpus!
	6:31pm Dano59: ... one of the many things wrong with Microsoft products
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:28 Ted Nelson's links were forced to be two-directional (links to origin, origin to link), whereas the Berners-Lee mode was one way.
	🤖 6:33pm herb.nyc: i'll man up, it was MY fault.
	6:33pm Dano59: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:25 wow, my memory's fried (says one who remembers playing SpaceWar
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: Imperial measures is always wrong.
	🤖 6:34pm herb.nyc: come on, whose fault? it's like "who dya like better, yr mother or yr father?"
	6:39pm The Butterman: I had one of those VW’s.
	6:40pm David in London: Disagree Henry. Most are much more human-centric than the metric tyranny. But that’s just me.
	6:41pm Horn Dog: Porn makes the internet better.
	🤖 6:42pm PaulRobeson1923: The internet is a bigger flop than the moving image.
	6:43pm Hugo: some of the diesel trucks make me gag, where is the filtration? Why is nobody doing anything about that?
	🤖 6:43pm chresti: ↳ The Butterman @6:39 The Tisane?
	🤖 6:44pm PaulRobeson1923: 2015 was the 1st year the WOlrd Health Organization came out and declared “ “Yes, diesel fumes do cause cancer”
	🤖 6:45pm herb.nyc: the fate of prog rock hangs in the balance (i'm sorry for posting stupid stuff. it's just so easy for me)
	🤖 6:45pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ David in London @6:40 If I say something "weighs a ton", what that actually is depends on where you live. Not to be confused with a metric ton/ tonne.
	6:46pm ?: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:28 A few days ago there was a tweet asking for famous or favorite Nelson's. I replied Ricky.
	6:46pm ultradamno: ↳ Horn Dog @6:41 Well....along with everything.
	🤖 6:46pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:45 Then why does Jesus say "A pint's a pound the world around" in Numbers 1:16? Huh?
	🤖 6:47pm chresti: Very interesting, thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:47pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:46 Hi, Handy. The wine referenced in the bible is “mixed wine”
	🤖 6:48pm herb.nyc: (big feet - pee wee herman sees cowboy curtis putting on boots,and they're big boots. pee is in awe. cowboy curtis sez "ya know - big boots, big feet". haha
	6:48pm Ike: Microsoft Word was mentioned earlier. Tangent: Note that there are some free alternatives to Word, such as TextMaker!
	6:48pm S_Rah: what was the name of the woman who did the preface? can't find her memoir on goodreads by the title
	🤖 6:49pm Handy Haversack: ↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:47 Not in my Bible, PR1923. Not in my Bible. I use the real one.
	🤖 6:50pm Handy Haversack: ↳ S_Rah @6:48 Preface by Torie Bosch.
	🤖 6:50pm chresti: ↳ ultradamno @6:46 So devices are engineered to and extract the contents of your brain?
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: This COBOL-to-Python translator can help: www.ispirer.com...
	6:51pm S_Rah: thanks handy. no it was ellen somebody
	🤖 6:51pm Handy Haversack: ↳ S_Rah @6:51 Intro by Elena Botella.
	6:52pm S_Rah: ty!!!!
	6:52pm ?: What about the Soutwest Airlines outdated scheduling system, ii's still paralyzed.
	🤖 6:52pm herb.nyc: "how the backstreet boys taught me to code" is on torie bosch's slate, something she wrote. cute title
	🤖 6:52pm PaulRobeson1923: IBM, New York, worked hand in hand with Nazi German. The punch card system- early computer technology made it possible to find 98% of all German Jews and those who might pose a future opposition Any connection to VW cheating scandal! Ethics? How they got started…
	6:54pm The Butterman: Sounds like someone doesn’t appreciate a clean house.
	🤖 6:54pm chresti: ↳ chresti @6:50 I'm getting lost- so much information Middle finger to roomba!
	6:54pm biomurph: perhaps you should do a show that takes a look at the open-source hardware movement? that would be super cool. super duper deep story. oshwa.org
	6:54pm Hugo: I stopped vacuuming my house!
	🤖 6:55pm Handy Haversack: I have been sitting here hoping there'd be a rant. I feel like we're close. Screeds and Jeremiads! That would be a good knuckles tattoo. Thanks, Mark! And to Torie as well!
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:49 Do u realize, that you have the most beautiful face? Do you realize
	6:55pm Fredericks: My vacuum has a light. No camera as far as I know.
	6:56pm The Butterman: Scan my dust, please. There’s good DNA in it.
	6:56pm Hugo: Use your brooms, people!
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: ↳ biomurph @6:54 Did you hear this ep., biomurph? Pretty interesting: www.wfmu.org...
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Hugo @6:54 I use an analog broom. I'm just a sorcerer's apprentice, what could go wrong?
	6:56pm wenzo (listener #143834): You have 16 fingers handy?
	6:57pm Fuzzy: Keep my Dirt Devil in a Ziploc bag. I'm safe.
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:56 I think the porch cats have my number
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: ↳ Fuzzy @6:57 Haha
	6:58pm listener 126464: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Hugo: good stuff, as always, thanks Mark
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark and Torie!
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: That was a diverting hour.
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm gabe: thanks!
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1923: Thank you
	🤖 7:00pm Handy Haversack: ↳ wenzo (listener #143834) @6:56 Among other numbers.
	🤖 7:02pm Will thee Sound Guy: thank you Mark and Torie!!!
	7:03pm Abnorman Bates: I avoid surveillance by not being important enough to survey<ironic> and am amazed that so many people are that important, they seem to think they are, so they really must be so, and not just unnoteworthy types who need to feel significant</ironic>.
	7:05pm Mark Hurst: ↳ S_Rah @6:48 Ellen Ullman wrote the introduction.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 30, 2023

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January 30, 2023: Torie Bosch, editor, “You Are Not Expected to Understand This”

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Today: Torie Bosch, editor, “You Are Not Expected to Understand This”: How 26 Lines of Code Changed the World

• “You Are Not Expected to Understand This”: How 26 Lines of Code Changed the World, edited by Torie Bosch, published by Princeton University Press (see also Indiebound)

• “Bigfeet”, Torie Bosch’s short story in Slate, just published (Jan 28, 2023)

• Play Spacewar, the classic PDP-1 game for two players

• Thanks to listener Sam for the pointer: Companies Already Have the Ability to Decode Your Brainwaves (Popular Mechanics, Jan 24, 2023), which points to this Davos presentation by Nita Farahany titled, “Ready for Brain Transparency?”

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Torie Bosch, editor, “You Are Not Expected to Understand This”: How 26 Lines of Code Changed the World
Tomaš Dvořák	Game Boy Tune "Game Boy Tune" by "Tomaš Dvořák"	Machinarium Soundtrack	n/a
	Mark's intro "Mark's intro"
	Interview with Torie Bosch "Interview with Torie Bosch"			0:03:29 (MP3 \| Pop-up)
Pink Tiles	Internet "Internet" by "Pink Tiles"	#1 Fan	Pink Tiles	0:55:09 (MP3 \| Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🤖 5:59pm Handy Haversack: Hello, Mark and Techyons! Gotta get the monsters fed, but glad to be here with you!
	🤖 6:00pm Will thee Sound Guy: Hello Mark Hurst and all!!!
	6:00pm David in London: Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	6:01pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonscrutables! By the way, hell freezes over before I watch another Baz Luhrman movie.
	6:01pm alan the painter: yes yes hellO from down stream...
	🤖 6:02pm Bas NL: Hi Mark and web browsers!
	🤖 6:02pm Webhamster Henry: 🤖!
	🤖 6:03pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonicians!
	🤖 6:04pm Webhamster Henry: This may be relevant to today's topic: www.ioccc.org
	🤖 6:04pm herb.nyc: hola (i looked at BAZ wiki, and see he did THE GET DOWN with stephen adly guirgis. latter is great, i've seen 3 of his plays. BETWEEN RIVERSIDE AND CRAZY is so spot on nyc-centric)
	6:04pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Mark and all!
	6:06pm gabe: evening mark, love the show.
	6:07pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining! @gabe, thank you kindly
	6:08pm Sam: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
	6:09pm ultradamno: twitter.com...
	🤖 6:09pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Mark and Techtocrats! 26 lines of code and 26 letters in the alphabet. Coincidence?
	🤖 6:10pm herb.nyc: did mark say "global war"? yay, fun stuff.
	🤖 6:12pm Webhamster Henry: Most of my "failures" are hordes of library dependencies that need constant babysitting.
	🤖 6:14pm herb.nyc: out of curiosity, who here writes code as a job? or for fun? or for... i wrote code in my WATFIV class in 1980. end.
	6:15pm James Akers: I write code- for fun- mainly to blink lights in interesting ways
	🤖 6:16pm Webhamster Henry: "Will it run DOOM?" << the test of every CPU.
	6:17pm Mi-rgod: I develop code for my job and occasionally for other projects (almost like fun - at least for a good purpose i hope). Day job is software to help monitor and manage large battery arrays to make renewable energy more viable.
	🤖 6:18pm herb.nyc: code 1202 reminds me of marshak 1320, the office of my boss' boss.
	6:20pm Mark Hurst: Marshak, Mars Hack, Mars Shack
	🤖 6:22pm herb.nyc: i just checked, apollo 11 is 1969. ( was there a Radio Shack then?)
	🤖 6:23pm herb.nyc: ATMs. i remember when they were introduced. we were told "you'll save time, save money, by using them". now we get charged for using them
	6:24pm Dano59: is 'I'm in yr base killing yr doods' covered?
	🤖 6:25pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Dano59 @6:24 All your base are belong to us!
	🤖 6:25pm Bas NL: Got to mention the Queen of programming; Ada Lovelace. en.wikipedia.org...
	🤖 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: 10 GOTO 10, Q.E.D. -- Niklaus Wirth
	🤖 6:26pm Deano de los Muertos: Very interesting show, Mark. My father might enjoy this book, as a former programmer
	6:27pm Mark Hurst: @Deano thanks - yes this essay collection has something for everyone - lots of different perspectives
	🤖 6:28pm herb.nyc: from the 1940s, sooo film noir-ish!
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: Here's a bunch of Ted Nelson material (archive.org) archive.org...
	6:29pm yippie: hyperlinks are like glass bead game
	6:30pm Hugo: Hermann Hesse, yeah
	6:30pm Fuzzy: I smell a Wumpus!
	6:31pm Dano59: ... one of the many things wrong with Microsoft products
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:28 Ted Nelson's links were forced to be two-directional (links to origin, origin to link), whereas the Berners-Lee mode was one way.
	🤖 6:33pm herb.nyc: i'll man up, it was MY fault.
	6:33pm Dano59: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:25 wow, my memory's fried (says one who remembers playing SpaceWar
	🤖 6:33pm Webhamster Henry: Imperial measures is always wrong.
	🤖 6:34pm herb.nyc: come on, whose fault? it's like "who dya like better, yr mother or yr father?"
	6:39pm The Butterman: I had one of those VW’s.
	6:40pm David in London: Disagree Henry. Most are much more human-centric than the metric tyranny. But that’s just me.
	6:41pm Horn Dog: Porn makes the internet better.
	🤖 6:42pm PaulRobeson1923: The internet is a bigger flop than the moving image.
	6:43pm Hugo: some of the diesel trucks make me gag, where is the filtration? Why is nobody doing anything about that?
	🤖 6:43pm chresti: ↳ The Butterman @6:39 The Tisane?
	🤖 6:44pm PaulRobeson1923: 2015 was the 1st year the WOlrd Health Organization came out and declared “ “Yes, diesel fumes do cause cancer”
	🤖 6:45pm herb.nyc: the fate of prog rock hangs in the balance (i'm sorry for posting stupid stuff. it's just so easy for me)
	🤖 6:45pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ David in London @6:40 If I say something "weighs a ton", what that actually is depends on where you live. Not to be confused with a metric ton/ tonne.
	6:46pm ?: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:28 A few days ago there was a tweet asking for famous or favorite Nelson's. I replied Ricky.
	6:46pm ultradamno: ↳ Horn Dog @6:41 Well....along with everything.
	🤖 6:46pm Handy Haversack: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:45 Then why does Jesus say "A pint's a pound the world around" in Numbers 1:16? Huh?
	🤖 6:47pm chresti: Very interesting, thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:47pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:46 Hi, Handy. The wine referenced in the bible is “mixed wine”
	🤖 6:48pm herb.nyc: (big feet - pee wee herman sees cowboy curtis putting on boots,and they're big boots. pee is in awe. cowboy curtis sez "ya know - big boots, big feet". haha
	6:48pm Ike: Microsoft Word was mentioned earlier. Tangent: Note that there are some free alternatives to Word, such as TextMaker!
	6:48pm S_Rah: what was the name of the woman who did the preface? can't find her memoir on goodreads by the title
	🤖 6:49pm Handy Haversack: ↳ PaulRobeson1923 @6:47 Not in my Bible, PR1923. Not in my Bible. I use the real one.
	🤖 6:50pm Handy Haversack: ↳ S_Rah @6:48 Preface by Torie Bosch.
	🤖 6:50pm chresti: ↳ ultradamno @6:46 So devices are engineered to and extract the contents of your brain?
	🤖 6:50pm Webhamster Henry: This COBOL-to-Python translator can help: www.ispirer.com...
	6:51pm S_Rah: thanks handy. no it was ellen somebody
	🤖 6:51pm Handy Haversack: ↳ S_Rah @6:51 Intro by Elena Botella.
	6:52pm S_Rah: ty!!!!
	6:52pm ?: What about the Soutwest Airlines outdated scheduling system, ii's still paralyzed.
	🤖 6:52pm herb.nyc: "how the backstreet boys taught me to code" is on torie bosch's slate, something she wrote. cute title
	🤖 6:52pm PaulRobeson1923: IBM, New York, worked hand in hand with Nazi German. The punch card system- early computer technology made it possible to find 98% of all German Jews and those who might pose a future opposition Any connection to VW cheating scandal! Ethics? How they got started…
	6:54pm The Butterman: Sounds like someone doesn’t appreciate a clean house.
	🤖 6:54pm chresti: ↳ chresti @6:50 I'm getting lost- so much information Middle finger to roomba!
	6:54pm biomurph: perhaps you should do a show that takes a look at the open-source hardware movement? that would be super cool. super duper deep story. oshwa.org
	6:54pm Hugo: I stopped vacuuming my house!
	🤖 6:55pm Handy Haversack: I have been sitting here hoping there'd be a rant. I feel like we're close. Screeds and Jeremiads! That would be a good knuckles tattoo. Thanks, Mark! And to Torie as well!
	🤖 6:55pm PaulRobeson1923: ↳ Handy Haversack @6:49 Do u realize, that you have the most beautiful face? Do you realize
	6:55pm Fredericks: My vacuum has a light. No camera as far as I know.
	6:56pm The Butterman: Scan my dust, please. There’s good DNA in it.
	6:56pm Hugo: Use your brooms, people!
	🤖 6:56pm Handy Haversack: ↳ biomurph @6:54 Did you hear this ep., biomurph? Pretty interesting: www.wfmu.org...
	🤖 6:56pm Webhamster Henry: ↳ Hugo @6:54 I use an analog broom. I'm just a sorcerer's apprentice, what could go wrong?
	6:56pm wenzo (listener #143834): You have 16 fingers handy?
	6:57pm Fuzzy: Keep my Dirt Devil in a Ziploc bag. I'm safe.
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: ↳ Webhamster Henry @6:56 I think the porch cats have my number
	🤖 6:57pm chresti: ↳ Fuzzy @6:57 Haha
	6:58pm listener 126464: Thanks Mark!
	6:58pm Hugo: good stuff, as always, thanks Mark
	🤖 6:58pm Bas NL: Thanks Mark and Torie!
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: That was a diverting hour.
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Thanks Mark!
	6:59pm gabe: thanks!
	🤖 6:59pm PaulRobeson1923: Thank you
	🤖 7:00pm Handy Haversack: ↳ wenzo (listener #143834) @6:56 Among other numbers.
	🤖 7:02pm Will thee Sound Guy: thank you Mark and Torie!!!
	7:03pm Abnorman Bates: I avoid surveillance by not being important enough to survey<ironic> and am amazed that so many people are that important, they seem to think they are, so they really must be so, and not just unnoteworthy types who need to feel significant</ironic>.
	7:05pm Mark Hurst: ↳ S_Rah @6:48 Ellen Ullman wrote the introduction.

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from January 30, 2023

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