WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 5, 2022

Listener comments!
	🤖 5:59pm Handy Haversack: Hey, Mark, Eric, Techyon Particulates.
	6:01pm DanFA: Hi Mark.
	6:02pm Rolando: Greetings All.
	🤖 6:03pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Markonists!
	6:03pm wendy del formaggio: Oh hello! Listening live while I cook red beans and rice, and potato salad. Hooray!
	🤖 6:03pm chresti: Hi Mark and techdoom!
	🤖 6:04pm herb.nyc: hola, did olivia say there is a live guest today? hope so; the dead ones were kinda stiff. "the rules we break" - i saw a DISRUPT THINGS ad on subway, for DEEL. for what the hell is a deel?
	🤖 6:05pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and rulebreakers!
	6:05pm DanFA: @Handy, can I be on your team?
	6:05pm Rolando: Awesome, he was on Douglass Rushkoff a short while ago too. Mark always finds the good ones first!
	6:05pm HyperDose: haha that meme is amazing
	🤖 6:05pm Handy Haversack: I like contexts where "gaming" and "gamer" don't necessarily imply video games.
	6:06pm shumyum: Yes! Games are for the tabletop!
	6:07pm chresti: Is Eric related to bob?
	🤖 6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: 2023: Pandemic II! Yikes!
	6:09pm chresti: Holiday party at work was cancelled due to Covid outbreak
	🤖 6:09pm Handy Haversack: There's a Game Lab in Brooklyn where my buddy's kids play D&D after school.
	🤖 6:09pm Folsom: Let's break out some Avalon Hill games.
	🤖 6:10pm Handy Haversack: Solidarity! Folsom, I can see Twixt from where I'm sitting.
	🤖 6:10pm Elena: Solidarity with the New School strike, yes!
	🤖 6:11pm Handy Haversack: Gonna be listening while chopping stuff. Into it!
	6:11pm Greg from ZONE 5: Evening, Mark & all!
	6:11pm yippie: I once made a game where you answer questions about Russian history and then you get bonus points for throwing a bean bag through Rasputin's eyes on this cardboard cutout
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining!
	6:13pm chresti: Horseplay
	6:13pm HyperDose: Greg! Stoked for your upcoming Reggae Schoolroom fill-in
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: Keep an eye on the playlist for an opportunity to participate in the show in a little bit...
	6:14pm castor: Hey all!
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: (Well, an eye on the comment board right here.)
	6:15pm Sam: I’m a ludic Luddite.
	🤖 6:15pm Webhamster Henry: I used to be a part of the non competitive game community. Check out those games: www.deepfun.com
	6:15pm shumyum: Name my son Ludo because I love games. Now he does too
	🤖 6:15pm Handy Haversack: Taking a break here to say: "Thank you, E. Gary Gygax."
	6:16pm yippie: even Gilgamesh played a game called pukku
	6:17pm wind: Hey Mark! And all tech lovers 😎
	6:18pm castor: An old friend of mine made an amazing board game years ago called "Revolution! The Game of Social Upheaval" in which every player was a political faction having to both work with each other to overthrow The State (the game master) but also vying to be the winning faction in the ensuing power vacuum. It was a whole lot of fun and definitely great for building strategizing skills.
	6:20pm Glistener MW: the Luddites would’ve REALLY hated the Lucasarts game “Loom”!
	🤖 6:21pm Bas NL: Homo Ludens en.wikipedia.org...
	6:22pm Gina: I was a game inventor for Milton Bradley and Hasbro in the 90s. Can’t wait to read your book.
	6:23pm shumyum: Great book. Jung wrote about the importance of play at the same time
	6:25pm Blobs: Respect for knishes
	🤖 6:26pm Deano de los Muertos: @Gina work on anything we would know?
	🤖 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: You should try playing this game with the new chatbot chatGPT: chat.openai.com...
	6:26pm Sam: I love a knish with mustard all over it.
	6:26pm wind: What an interesting occupation Gina! What college degree gets you that job? Lol
	6:27pm Gina: My big hit was a game for pre schoolers called “Chicken Limbo”. Not my best invention but the one that sold
	6:27pm shumyum: Hasbro made Heroscape in the '90s, right? A great one!
	6:28pm Gina: I studied Industrial Design at Art School. Found my way into a job at Fisher Price and then went Indy after 4 years
	🤖 6:28pm Deano de los Muertos: I definitely remember chicken limbo commercials, cool!
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: My son is his own game company, writing games that are visual novels, so not about social interaction, but also not about killing the right beings either.
	6:29pm castor: @Gina I remember Chicken Limbo! Can't remember if I played it as a kid but def remember the commercials.
	6:30pm Gina: It was re released years later and recalled because they tried to cut corners in design
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: The cancel button usually says "OK, maybe later..."
	🤖 6:31pm Handy Haversack: Wow, do I have Thoughts! But a break from the carrots to say that after 40 years of trying to be good at running (designing) D&D-like games, it was the embrace of friction and letting it lead to discovery and ludic joy that really began to make it all work for me -- which I find to be the ethos of the DIY TTRPG sphere and totally anathema to currently in-print corporate D&D. Friction. Therein lies the rub!
	6:31pm chresti: A minefield of click bait
	6:31pm shumyum: Even beyond computer games, collectible card games are also quite manipulative: Pokemon and then Magic. Heartbreaking to see kids who would like more interesting games get sucked into them
	🤖 6:33pm Handy Haversack: YES! This! Taking the surface of games and leaving the soul of play behind. Oh, well said. Stripmining the surface of games: corporate gamethink defined!
	6:34pm Melon: As someone who studied game design and art, it took me 5 years to figure this stuff out - its great to hear it so clearly spoken!
	🤖 6:36pm Ken From Hyde Park: Han Solo made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs. Talk about a rule breaker!
	🤖 6:37pm Folsom: I remember back in the day playing Code Name: Sector, interesting old cold war type of game
	6:37pm Jackie G: Crazy Eights is a fun game. No real winners or losers, it's just fun.
	6:37pm shumyum: Chewie also cheats
	6:38pm Sam: Yeah, I feel like if you can find the joy in doing ordinary things, like singing while you walk or taking the scenic route, then you don’t need games so much. My family always wants to play board games, and I’m usually like meh, I would much more enjoy a walk watching the trees and the trains and other real stuff.
	🤖 6:38pm Deano de los Muertos: in my warehouse, a toilet seat was installed that is so uncomfortable, you won’t want to sit on it for more than a minute or two. 😑
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: The small carts at the local supermarket have all disappeared.
	6:39pm DanFA: I always thought that was to give you enough space for groceries. I've never gotten the unconscious suggestion that you should buy more than you need at a grocery store. I think Mark might be wrong on this one.
	6:39pm Melon: All uncomfortable chairs are crimes against humanity
	6:40pm Sam: It’s all part of the war on the homeless
	6:40pm Jackie G: the carrying baskets at food markets are gone, mostly. people took them with them because they did not have their own grocery bag. they stole them.
	6:40pm DanFA: @Melon, I used to bring a beach chair to college classes because the chairs were uncomfortable.
	🤖 6:41pm Folsom: Another old cold war game was Radar Search, trying to find a hidden ship
	6:41pm Skillet: Wow, I just walked into a Wal Mart and grabbed an oversized cart, thought about how im not getting that much and it would look awkward walking around with only a handful of items. Then you mention about the carts. Funny
	6:41pm wendy del formaggio: As Hell Gate pointed out, in addition to no seating, there’s no obvious, large display of train arrivals & departures at Moynihan Station. It’s a mall pretending to be a public transit location.
	6:41pm shumyum: boardgamegeek.com...
	6:42pm Commuter A: there is a beautiful seating area but it's hidden directly opposite the food Hall / Friday night disco, for ticketed passengers only with an attendant who checks your tickets
	6:42pm Melon: Something Iv always loved about NY is the benches in the parks, Iv never been to another city with so many benches just when you need them.. yet so few public toilets..
	🤖 6:43pm Ken From Hyde Park: I've never been, but I suspect the chairs at slot machines are highly comfortable. 🎰
	6:43pm Jackie G: webmaster: why do you think the small carts are gone? This only has happened in the last month or so.
	6:46pm Jeff Moore: Totally off today's topic, but this seems like it might be of interest to many in the Techtonic community: [ divining / defining failure of a social media site] zephoria.medium.com... via: ohai.social...
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: There are still baskets, but the smaller sized carts are gone. Some though they were all taken by Kingston's growing unhoused community; I don't have a real answer though. Nevertheless: big carts.
	6:46pm DanFA: Let's do this.
	6:47pm S_Rah: Humor
	6:47pm DanFA: Communication
	6:47pm that girl from that place: Someone who listens to your ideas, and shares theirs in ways to support and scaffold towards the end goal of the project
	6:47pm Mike Sin: Some who listens and asks a lot of questions.
	6:47pm Rolando: Honestly, mixed with sincerity
	6:47pm S_Rah: We find witty remarks to make each other t laugh without offending people
	6:47pm shumyum: Thinks differently than me
	6:47pm Jackie G: hygiene
	6:47pm wendy del formaggio: Dynamic. Listens and relates. Has good attunement skills.
	6:47pm Gina: I can serve them something and they serve something else back
	🤖 6:47pm herb.nyc: when things get dark or serious, person can toss in a joke
	6:47pm Fredericks: Flexibility. Provides feedback.
	6:48pm Across the kill van kull: Team spirit: the upfront agreement that we are working on something together, and the want to hear and share ideas
	6:48pm Sam: Someone who thinks I’m really smart and loves my ideas but also knows more than me and gives occasional suggestions that are super helpful.
	6:48pm DanFA: Someone who will do all the work and let you take all the credit.
	6:48pm su: they amplify good ideas
	6:48pm iiibeat: Solid trust
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: Also, folks, WFMU is now on Mastodon @WFMU@c.im
	6:48pm Melon: Someone who challenges you to be more than you'd be alone, but is still humble enough to ask for help and know that not everything they say is final; and makes you feel and do the same.
	6:48pm S_Rah: Hygiene lol
	6:48pm Rolando: Time and treats, which often induces fellowship.
	6:49pm K8: Energy (even when faced with obstacles) and Empathy
	🤖 6:49pm herb.nyc: don't be a Yes Man
	6:50pm S_Rah: I like it when they’re cordial and polite. I hate rudeness. Be civil!
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: Someone who actually reads my long, carefully composed emails.
	🤖 6:51pm chresti: Objective, doesn't get offended if you suggest an improvement to their idea.
	🤖 6:51pm herb.nyc: what did woody allen say, "those who can, do. those who can't do, teach. those who can't teach, teach gym". sure!
	6:51pm v-dawg: Regarding the shopping cart: At certain stores, there are no shopping baskets because people forgot to return them because people used the baskets as their shopping bag/container. So you have to use a shopping cart at certain stores instead; at other stores you use a box at the store or your own shopping bag or nothing. I have never felt obliged to fill up my shopping cart because of the "empty space". I would comment on seating at various public transportation locales, but that would be a novella.
	🤖 6:52pm Webhamster Henry: This list turns into a LinkedIn article...
	6:52pm Jackie G: once was working with someone who took their shoes off. everyone agreed he should put his shoes back on.
	6:53pm HyperDose: K8 😃 Thank you for taking care of our dear Handy over the weekend!
	🤖 6:53pm herb.nyc: @jackie g, yr comment made me think of stewart copeland. he said "the police are in a mexican standoff. sting thinks he's a genius and we don't".
	🤖 6:53pm Ken From Hyde Park: Someone who can steer things back to the main point when folks start losing focus.
	6:54pm Jeff Moore: Someone who pays close enough attention to what I'm suggesting and understands the problem domain well enough to spot areas I hadn't thought deeply enough about. Points them out with the ruthless clarity allowed by securely established mutual respect. [I'm nostalgic for the times my friend Bennett and I have gotten to work together]
	6:54pm v-dawg: @Webhamster Henry Thanks for the info. Will WMFU now display its Mastodon posts on the WFMU home page?
	🤖 6:54pm herb.nyc: have the democrats and republicans in wash, dc, play this game.
	6:55pm wendy del formaggio: In organization & social justice realms, we call this “establishing group norms.” I love this process for developing the norms. I’ve learned something useful yet again on Techtonic. Yay!
	6:55pm K8: @HyperDose: You don't have to thank me! Also, besides chilling out with him and occasionally bringing him things, I didn't do so much.
	6:55pm Sam: Lots of people would prefer to be an original, edgy outsider individual than a good collaborator.
	6:57pm Sam: Not that they’re mutually exclusive. But being a good collaborator sounds sort of conformist.
	6:57pm efd: @v-dawg There's not going to be a feed for now since we're going to start by posting station info that will generally already be on the homepage. Depending on how our Mastodon presence evolves over time we may add a feed down the road.
	6:58pm Jackie G: Fun show. Good games talk. And everyone won. Thanks Eric and Mark.
	6:58pm JohnEBGood: Well Trump should be in jail. But the Constitution and the Bible are outdated and a lot of bullshit! Peace ; )
	🤖 6:58pm Elena: Thank you, great show
	🤖 6:58pm Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Mark
	6:58pm HyperDose: Great interview, Mark!
	6:59pm wendy del formaggio: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Thanks Mark and Eric!
	6:59pm wind: 🙏🏽
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: It's great to have a live guest to share chat comments with!
	6:59pm Sam: Kid and play, everyone.
	🤖 7:00pm chresti: @Sam- always!
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark & Eric!
	🤖 7:00pm Will thee Sound Guy: thank you Mark, Eric, and chatters!!!
	🤖 8:05pm Handy Haversack: Fantastic show, Mark -- many thanks to you and Eric!
	11:15am sarajampen12: I like game

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 5, 2022

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December 5, 2022: On game design: Eric Zimmerman, author, "The Rules We Break"

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Today: On game design – Eric Zimmerman, author, “The Rules We Break”

• The Rules We Break: Lessons in Play, Thinking, and Design, by Eric Zimmerman, published by Princeton Architectural Press. A wide range of entertaining, thought-provoking games, exercises, and short essays. . . . [the] real-world exercises are designed to be played on tabletops, as playground-style physical games, and via social interactions with others in person or online.”

• theruleswebreak.com, book site: “The Rules We Break is a design book that asks you to play. It is not a book of information to learn or facts to absorb. It is a handbook for doing.”

• ericzimmerman.com, Eric’s site: “I design videogames, tabletop games, and large-scale game installations. I also teach at the NYU game center, write about game design, and work with amazing people like Local No. 12 and the Institute of Play.”

• Eric's games include The Metagame (featured on Oct 9, 2017, the fifth TT episode), Diner Dash, Blix, Sissyfight 2000, and Waiting Rooms (with Nathalie Pozzi).

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Listener comments!
	🤖 5:59pm Handy Haversack: Hey, Mark, Eric, Techyon Particulates.
	6:01pm DanFA: Hi Mark.
	6:02pm Rolando: Greetings All.
	🤖 6:03pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! Markonists!
	6:03pm wendy del formaggio: Oh hello! Listening live while I cook red beans and rice, and potato salad. Hooray!
	🤖 6:03pm chresti: Hi Mark and techdoom!
	🤖 6:04pm herb.nyc: hola, did olivia say there is a live guest today? hope so; the dead ones were kinda stiff. "the rules we break" - i saw a DISRUPT THINGS ad on subway, for DEEL. for what the hell is a deel?
	🤖 6:05pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hello, Mark and rulebreakers!
	6:05pm DanFA: @Handy, can I be on your team?
	6:05pm Rolando: Awesome, he was on Douglass Rushkoff a short while ago too. Mark always finds the good ones first!
	6:05pm HyperDose: haha that meme is amazing
	🤖 6:05pm Handy Haversack: I like contexts where "gaming" and "gamer" don't necessarily imply video games.
	6:06pm shumyum: Yes! Games are for the tabletop!
	6:07pm chresti: Is Eric related to bob?
	🤖 6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park: 2023: Pandemic II! Yikes!
	6:09pm chresti: Holiday party at work was cancelled due to Covid outbreak
	🤖 6:09pm Handy Haversack: There's a Game Lab in Brooklyn where my buddy's kids play D&D after school.
	🤖 6:09pm Folsom: Let's break out some Avalon Hill games.
	🤖 6:10pm Handy Haversack: Solidarity! Folsom, I can see Twixt from where I'm sitting.
	🤖 6:10pm Elena: Solidarity with the New School strike, yes!
	🤖 6:11pm Handy Haversack: Gonna be listening while chopping stuff. Into it!
	6:11pm Greg from ZONE 5: Evening, Mark & all!
	6:11pm yippie: I once made a game where you answer questions about Russian history and then you get bonus points for throwing a bean bag through Rasputin's eyes on this cardboard cutout
	6:13pm Mark Hurst: Hi all, thanks for joining!
	6:13pm chresti: Horseplay
	6:13pm HyperDose: Greg! Stoked for your upcoming Reggae Schoolroom fill-in
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: Keep an eye on the playlist for an opportunity to participate in the show in a little bit...
	6:14pm castor: Hey all!
	6:14pm Mark Hurst: (Well, an eye on the comment board right here.)
	6:15pm Sam: I’m a ludic Luddite.
	🤖 6:15pm Webhamster Henry: I used to be a part of the non competitive game community. Check out those games: www.deepfun.com
	6:15pm shumyum: Name my son Ludo because I love games. Now he does too
	🤖 6:15pm Handy Haversack: Taking a break here to say: "Thank you, E. Gary Gygax."
	6:16pm yippie: even Gilgamesh played a game called pukku
	6:17pm wind: Hey Mark! And all tech lovers 😎
	6:18pm castor: An old friend of mine made an amazing board game years ago called "Revolution! The Game of Social Upheaval" in which every player was a political faction having to both work with each other to overthrow The State (the game master) but also vying to be the winning faction in the ensuing power vacuum. It was a whole lot of fun and definitely great for building strategizing skills.
	6:20pm Glistener MW: the Luddites would’ve REALLY hated the Lucasarts game “Loom”!
	🤖 6:21pm Bas NL: Homo Ludens en.wikipedia.org...
	6:22pm Gina: I was a game inventor for Milton Bradley and Hasbro in the 90s. Can’t wait to read your book.
	6:23pm shumyum: Great book. Jung wrote about the importance of play at the same time
	6:25pm Blobs: Respect for knishes
	🤖 6:26pm Deano de los Muertos: @Gina work on anything we would know?
	🤖 6:26pm Webhamster Henry: You should try playing this game with the new chatbot chatGPT: chat.openai.com...
	6:26pm Sam: I love a knish with mustard all over it.
	6:26pm wind: What an interesting occupation Gina! What college degree gets you that job? Lol
	6:27pm Gina: My big hit was a game for pre schoolers called “Chicken Limbo”. Not my best invention but the one that sold
	6:27pm shumyum: Hasbro made Heroscape in the '90s, right? A great one!
	6:28pm Gina: I studied Industrial Design at Art School. Found my way into a job at Fisher Price and then went Indy after 4 years
	🤖 6:28pm Deano de los Muertos: I definitely remember chicken limbo commercials, cool!
	🤖 6:28pm Webhamster Henry: My son is his own game company, writing games that are visual novels, so not about social interaction, but also not about killing the right beings either.
	6:29pm castor: @Gina I remember Chicken Limbo! Can't remember if I played it as a kid but def remember the commercials.
	6:30pm Gina: It was re released years later and recalled because they tried to cut corners in design
	🤖 6:31pm Webhamster Henry: The cancel button usually says "OK, maybe later..."
	🤖 6:31pm Handy Haversack: Wow, do I have Thoughts! But a break from the carrots to say that after 40 years of trying to be good at running (designing) D&D-like games, it was the embrace of friction and letting it lead to discovery and ludic joy that really began to make it all work for me -- which I find to be the ethos of the DIY TTRPG sphere and totally anathema to currently in-print corporate D&D. Friction. Therein lies the rub!
	6:31pm chresti: A minefield of click bait
	6:31pm shumyum: Even beyond computer games, collectible card games are also quite manipulative: Pokemon and then Magic. Heartbreaking to see kids who would like more interesting games get sucked into them
	🤖 6:33pm Handy Haversack: YES! This! Taking the surface of games and leaving the soul of play behind. Oh, well said. Stripmining the surface of games: corporate gamethink defined!
	6:34pm Melon: As someone who studied game design and art, it took me 5 years to figure this stuff out - its great to hear it so clearly spoken!
	🤖 6:36pm Ken From Hyde Park: Han Solo made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs. Talk about a rule breaker!
	🤖 6:37pm Folsom: I remember back in the day playing Code Name: Sector, interesting old cold war type of game
	6:37pm Jackie G: Crazy Eights is a fun game. No real winners or losers, it's just fun.
	6:37pm shumyum: Chewie also cheats
	6:38pm Sam: Yeah, I feel like if you can find the joy in doing ordinary things, like singing while you walk or taking the scenic route, then you don’t need games so much. My family always wants to play board games, and I’m usually like meh, I would much more enjoy a walk watching the trees and the trains and other real stuff.
	🤖 6:38pm Deano de los Muertos: in my warehouse, a toilet seat was installed that is so uncomfortable, you won’t want to sit on it for more than a minute or two. 😑
	🤖 6:39pm Webhamster Henry: The small carts at the local supermarket have all disappeared.
	6:39pm DanFA: I always thought that was to give you enough space for groceries. I've never gotten the unconscious suggestion that you should buy more than you need at a grocery store. I think Mark might be wrong on this one.
	6:39pm Melon: All uncomfortable chairs are crimes against humanity
	6:40pm Sam: It’s all part of the war on the homeless
	6:40pm Jackie G: the carrying baskets at food markets are gone, mostly. people took them with them because they did not have their own grocery bag. they stole them.
	6:40pm DanFA: @Melon, I used to bring a beach chair to college classes because the chairs were uncomfortable.
	🤖 6:41pm Folsom: Another old cold war game was Radar Search, trying to find a hidden ship
	6:41pm Skillet: Wow, I just walked into a Wal Mart and grabbed an oversized cart, thought about how im not getting that much and it would look awkward walking around with only a handful of items. Then you mention about the carts. Funny
	6:41pm wendy del formaggio: As Hell Gate pointed out, in addition to no seating, there’s no obvious, large display of train arrivals & departures at Moynihan Station. It’s a mall pretending to be a public transit location.
	6:41pm shumyum: boardgamegeek.com...
	6:42pm Commuter A: there is a beautiful seating area but it's hidden directly opposite the food Hall / Friday night disco, for ticketed passengers only with an attendant who checks your tickets
	6:42pm Melon: Something Iv always loved about NY is the benches in the parks, Iv never been to another city with so many benches just when you need them.. yet so few public toilets..
	🤖 6:43pm Ken From Hyde Park: I've never been, but I suspect the chairs at slot machines are highly comfortable. 🎰
	6:43pm Jackie G: webmaster: why do you think the small carts are gone? This only has happened in the last month or so.
	6:46pm Jeff Moore: Totally off today's topic, but this seems like it might be of interest to many in the Techtonic community: [ divining / defining failure of a social media site] zephoria.medium.com... via: ohai.social...
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: There are still baskets, but the smaller sized carts are gone. Some though they were all taken by Kingston's growing unhoused community; I don't have a real answer though. Nevertheless: big carts.
	6:46pm DanFA: Let's do this.
	6:47pm S_Rah: Humor
	6:47pm DanFA: Communication
	6:47pm that girl from that place: Someone who listens to your ideas, and shares theirs in ways to support and scaffold towards the end goal of the project
	6:47pm Mike Sin: Some who listens and asks a lot of questions.
	6:47pm Rolando: Honestly, mixed with sincerity
	6:47pm S_Rah: We find witty remarks to make each other t laugh without offending people
	6:47pm shumyum: Thinks differently than me
	6:47pm Jackie G: hygiene
	6:47pm wendy del formaggio: Dynamic. Listens and relates. Has good attunement skills.
	6:47pm Gina: I can serve them something and they serve something else back
	🤖 6:47pm herb.nyc: when things get dark or serious, person can toss in a joke
	6:47pm Fredericks: Flexibility. Provides feedback.
	6:48pm Across the kill van kull: Team spirit: the upfront agreement that we are working on something together, and the want to hear and share ideas
	6:48pm Sam: Someone who thinks I’m really smart and loves my ideas but also knows more than me and gives occasional suggestions that are super helpful.
	6:48pm DanFA: Someone who will do all the work and let you take all the credit.
	6:48pm su: they amplify good ideas
	6:48pm iiibeat: Solid trust
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: Also, folks, WFMU is now on Mastodon @WFMU@c.im
	6:48pm Melon: Someone who challenges you to be more than you'd be alone, but is still humble enough to ask for help and know that not everything they say is final; and makes you feel and do the same.
	6:48pm S_Rah: Hygiene lol
	6:48pm Rolando: Time and treats, which often induces fellowship.
	6:49pm K8: Energy (even when faced with obstacles) and Empathy
	🤖 6:49pm herb.nyc: don't be a Yes Man
	6:50pm S_Rah: I like it when they’re cordial and polite. I hate rudeness. Be civil!
	🤖 6:51pm Webhamster Henry: Someone who actually reads my long, carefully composed emails.
	🤖 6:51pm chresti: Objective, doesn't get offended if you suggest an improvement to their idea.
	🤖 6:51pm herb.nyc: what did woody allen say, "those who can, do. those who can't do, teach. those who can't teach, teach gym". sure!
	6:51pm v-dawg: Regarding the shopping cart: At certain stores, there are no shopping baskets because people forgot to return them because people used the baskets as their shopping bag/container. So you have to use a shopping cart at certain stores instead; at other stores you use a box at the store or your own shopping bag or nothing. I have never felt obliged to fill up my shopping cart because of the "empty space". I would comment on seating at various public transportation locales, but that would be a novella.
	🤖 6:52pm Webhamster Henry: This list turns into a LinkedIn article...
	6:52pm Jackie G: once was working with someone who took their shoes off. everyone agreed he should put his shoes back on.
	6:53pm HyperDose: K8 😃 Thank you for taking care of our dear Handy over the weekend!
	🤖 6:53pm herb.nyc: @jackie g, yr comment made me think of stewart copeland. he said "the police are in a mexican standoff. sting thinks he's a genius and we don't".
	🤖 6:53pm Ken From Hyde Park: Someone who can steer things back to the main point when folks start losing focus.
	6:54pm Jeff Moore: Someone who pays close enough attention to what I'm suggesting and understands the problem domain well enough to spot areas I hadn't thought deeply enough about. Points them out with the ruthless clarity allowed by securely established mutual respect. [I'm nostalgic for the times my friend Bennett and I have gotten to work together]
	6:54pm v-dawg: @Webhamster Henry Thanks for the info. Will WMFU now display its Mastodon posts on the WFMU home page?
	🤖 6:54pm herb.nyc: have the democrats and republicans in wash, dc, play this game.
	6:55pm wendy del formaggio: In organization & social justice realms, we call this “establishing group norms.” I love this process for developing the norms. I’ve learned something useful yet again on Techtonic. Yay!
	6:55pm K8: @HyperDose: You don't have to thank me! Also, besides chilling out with him and occasionally bringing him things, I didn't do so much.
	6:55pm Sam: Lots of people would prefer to be an original, edgy outsider individual than a good collaborator.
	6:57pm Sam: Not that they’re mutually exclusive. But being a good collaborator sounds sort of conformist.
	6:57pm efd: @v-dawg There's not going to be a feed for now since we're going to start by posting station info that will generally already be on the homepage. Depending on how our Mastodon presence evolves over time we may add a feed down the road.
	6:58pm Jackie G: Fun show. Good games talk. And everyone won. Thanks Eric and Mark.
	6:58pm JohnEBGood: Well Trump should be in jail. But the Constitution and the Bible are outdated and a lot of bullshit! Peace ; )
	🤖 6:58pm Elena: Thank you, great show
	🤖 6:58pm Deano de los Muertos: Thanks Mark
	6:58pm HyperDose: Great interview, Mark!
	6:59pm wendy del formaggio: Thanks Mark!
	🤖 6:59pm chresti: Thanks Mark and Eric!
	6:59pm wind: 🙏🏽
	🤖 6:59pm Webhamster Henry: It's great to have a live guest to share chat comments with!
	6:59pm Sam: Kid and play, everyone.
	🤖 7:00pm chresti: @Sam- always!
	🤖 7:00pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark & Eric!
	🤖 7:00pm Will thee Sound Guy: thank you Mark, Eric, and chatters!!!
	🤖 8:05pm Handy Haversack: Fantastic show, Mark -- many thanks to you and Eric!
	11:15am sarajampen12: I like game

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from December 5, 2022

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