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Favoriting October 24, 2022: Adrian Hon, author, "You've Been Played"

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Today: Adrian Hon, author, “You’ve Been Played: How Corporations, Governments and Schools Use Games to Control Us All”

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Nov 30, 2020 episode: Adrian Hon discussing his previous book, “A New History of the Future in 100 Objects”

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  Adrian Hon, discusses gamification in his new book, "You've Been Played."
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  Interview with Adrian Hon  
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  Mark's comments  
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Listener comments!

  6:00pm
Rolando:

Looking forward to today’s show.
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Handy Haversack:

Show us on the Shaving Fun Ken where Bad Olivia hurt you, Mark.

And hello, Mark and the Techyon Drives!
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DanFA:

@Handy, hahaha
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PaulRobeson1922:

Warm Greetings one & all!!
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Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Techtonicoids.
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Hello Mark and all!!!
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DanFA:

@Handy, don't mess with Bad Olivia, or she'll cut you.
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Franco Twinkie:

Hi Mark.
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Handy Haversack:

Oh, I'm honing my lickspittle skills as we speak, DanFA!
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David (in London):

Evening Mark and all Technoids.
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DanFA:

@Handy, on your knees, worm.
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Handy Haversack:

Ha, Escape from Flavortown! There it is

Evening, David! A friend's business that might interest you: www.corkandcrown.co.uk...
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chresti:

Hi Mark and technoffs!
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PaulRobeson1922:

Points, badges, challenges, levels, leaderboards : gamification
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Handy Haversack:

It's why I always race across any large bun that I see on the ground.

www.wfmu.org...
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David (in London):

Handles, I can see myself dropping in on Brockley Market soon!
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Ciggy:

We don’t need no stinking badges
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Mark Hurst:

Hi all, thanks for joining this evening!
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Webhamster Henry:

Hi Techtonic Friends! Gamification has been going on for decades, really. Even Mark's own Creative Good Forum (which you should all join) is full of badges !
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Ike:

We used to have badges on our electronic profiles at Large Audiobook Co. but nobody cared that much about them. Just like the stupid badges/medals in Silly Cat Game on my phone. The medals don't even give you any awards or anything.
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Handy Haversack:

Fantastic, David! If Chris is there, tell him I sent you!
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Webhamster Henry:

The Badges of course leverage the surveillance that you approved of in that cookie notification.
  6:09pm
tim from washington:

Hi Mark and everybody! I really enjoyed that last interview with Adrian and thought his previous book was fantastic.
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Franco Twinkie:

2020!! That was the beginning of dark times.
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Mark Hurst:

@Handy good choice of gif - that was Burger Time, right?
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Webhamster Henry:

E.G. This is your fifth interaction! I now dub you "experienced h4x0r"
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Handy Haversack:

Right, Mark -- it's what Matt uses on his playlist page.

Also: did the book arrive this time?
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Folsom:

I remember when I used waze, they gamified that by having badges on offering traffic reports, speed traps, etc.
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Handy Haversack:

WFMU pledging is gamified, too, of course. Collect them all!
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Mark Hurst:

@Handy no book yet but folks here have an eye out for it during mail pickup...
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Mark Hurst:

@Franco glad to see your robot icon - thanks for your support!
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Handy Haversack:

Very weird -- it would have gone out from Manhattan this time so really should have arrived. I might have to drop one off!
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PaulRobeson1922:

Young men can be made to do *anything* with a pat on the back & a “good job johnny” from an authority
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Franco Twinkie:

My sister was a proto-game designer in the 1980's. If I remember, it sounded like a totally whack job.
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and tech warriors!
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Mark Hurst:

@KfHP welcome
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Franco Twinkie:

Your welcome Mark. I couldn't stand NOT having a robot face.
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MarciB:

Never played any video games so I can't speak to how fun they can be. But the whole "gamification" thing seems kinda infantilizing to me. But my idea of gaming is backgammon so what do I know!
  6:15pm
Sam:

Walking is fine if the zombies are slow
  6:16pm
Sam:

You’re right Marci B. Adults should not be playing video games, except as a rare novelty thing.
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Franco Twinkie:

My idea of gaming is trying to knock beer bottles off the fence with a tennis ball.
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MarciB:

@Sam- and I mean the analog game- just got a great vintage tournament set! But yes the video game industry seems focused on controlling adults -esp men.
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PaulRobeson1922:

The Moving Image is like the Golden Calf
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Tome:

!<>!ZorK!<>!
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Handy Haversack:

There are dishonest, toxic books, too, of course. Even TTRPGs have wildly different amounts of corporate groupthink vs. real creativity.
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Franco Twinkie:

Thank you Mark. Reading a book is quickly becoming an uncommon as cheap gasoline.
  6:22pm
yippie:

when I was a kid i used to play a videogame called drugwars
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Folsom:

I figured Custer's Revenge would be high on Mark's list
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Webhamster Henry:

My son writes games, but they are not games you actually win, it's more like the game engine is used for storytelling.
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PaulRobeson1922:

Some games are just fun to play & every minute is a brand new day @Franco
  6:25pm
yippie:

I think wishbringer was cooler than zork
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Franco Twinkie:

If you're reading a book at a cafe, you might as well have your pants on backwards.
  6:26pm
Rolando:

Who has time to play a game fire two hours? Ain’t nobody got time for that!
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Tome:

it's all about Ultaviolence now but if "your ""Kid:""" sees any kind of innocent nudity we cover their eyes
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Handy Haversack:

Franco, you should see me reading a book while bent over a candle at a bar while I wait for someone to show up. It confusilates people.
  6:27pm
Sam:

If I buy one more 24 pack of Wrigley’s gum I’ll reach CVS Extra Care Platinum status!
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Deano de los Muertos:

Great show so far, Mark
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Mark Hurst:

@Deano thanks
  6:28pm
?:

From 85 - 89 I serviced coin op video games (arcade games they were called). Most were quite fun. As for home video systems, never bothered. It would've been like a busman's holiday for me.
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Franco Twinkie:

Handy, I use a candle to find my seat at a large music venue.
  6:30pm
Sam:

Politics has almost completely become a game.
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Deano de los Muertos:

Definitely easy for me to get lost in Elden Ring or a real-time strategy game for too long
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PaulRobeson1922:

Look @Mexico over the last 100 years
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Webhamster Henry:

Those social media platforms' engagement numbers are close to meaningless because they are measuring an ephemeral emotion that lasts seconds.
  6:31pm
morphe':

Thanks Mark and all .. must run !!!!
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Mark Hurst:

@morphe' thanks for joining
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DanFA:

Growing up, Mortal Kombat taught me everything I needed to know about geopolitics. FLAWLESS VICTORY!
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Mark Hurst:

FINISH HIM
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Webhamster Henry:

ALL OF YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO THE OLIGARCHY.
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Handy Haversack:

Gauntlet taught me plenty about the rapaciousness of capitalism. Add 25 cents to continue?
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Mark Hurst:

Wizard needs food... badly
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Mark Hurst:

Somebody shot the food!
  6:34pm
misfit:

UnearthU
  6:34pm
yippie:

I played a lot of those infocom games and I drew maps
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DanFA:

@Mark, have you ever watched the Black Mirror episode USS Callister? I think it's up your alley with its representation of tech bros.
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Mark Hurst:

@yippie my favorite was Hitchhiker's Guide
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Mark Hurst:

@DanFA indeed, that was a great episode
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Handy Haversack:

Valkyrie is about to die.
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Folsom:

Coin detected in pocket!
  6:37pm
Sam:

I love when they laud online gambling for all the billions it brings in. Where do you think that money comes from? It’s so predatory!
  6:37pm
Rolando:

Loved marks interview way back about slot machine design
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Handy Haversack:

"Linguo dead?!"

"Linguo *is* dead ..."
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Webhamster Henry:

@DanFA the game developers in FREE GUY are occasionally accurate, but mostly not. The most accurate depiction of Game programmers was in WAR GAMES though. For the time, that is.
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Analog Nights:

Use Mango Languages program. Available through many libraries including Brooklyn. Free.
  6:39pm
Sam:

Once you know basic grammar, watch movies and TV in the foreign language with subtitles. You learn a ton, and you’ll pronounce it right.
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Mark Hurst:

@Analog thanks, good pointer - hadn't heard of Mango Languages before. Does it use gamification?
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DanFA:

@Webhamster Henry, and then Matthew Broderick's character grew up to work for the NSA, then became a whistleblower.
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chresti:

WFMU is like a game in some ways
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Handy Haversack:

The Black Mirror ep. "Fifteen Million Merits" might have more to say about gamification and the use cases for it that surveillance capitalism has found.
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Webhamster Henry:

@Handy Black Mirror's "Nosedive" is kind of like that too.
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DanFA:

Can someone make a WFMU version of ann 8-bit video game like the original Donkey Kong game?
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Handy Haversack:

Yeah, a different point on the possible curve, WHHenry.
  6:43pm
Old Dave:

@chresti- you said it. I was afraid to. Thanks!
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Jeff Moore:

"We get emails from people all the time, and they LOVE heroin!"
  6:46pm
Sam:

“To hear the exciting conclusion of Techtonic…. plunk one more quarter into your radio or computer.”
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PaulRobeson1922:

@Chresti: Every minute is a brand new day
And there are some games that I'd just love to play!
Even bad scenes are for real, there's no time to cry.
WFMU is the Radio Station that Gives and Gives and goes on
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chresti:

Like gambling addiction- if I keep playing the slot machines, I'll win (but not actually recoup what is lost)
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Analog Nights:

@mark not gamified
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chresti:

WFMU is a GOOD game!
  6:47pm
Rolando:

I reckon we’re interviewing a Gemini, a nice kind hearted chap, ripped and torn between two very separate worlds.
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DanFA:

@Chresti, like that Twilight Zone episode The Fever
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DanFA:

You have reached the end of the episode. Congratulations! 500 points.
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chresti:

Ha Jeff Moore!
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dale:

this music is like from the show expo '69.
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PaulRobeson1922:

Yes! 500 points! now I can Glisten to Hurry On Sundown all night!
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chresti:

DanFA, right!
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DanFA:

@Chresti, FRANKLIN.
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Fredericks:

Would Green Stamps from the supermarket be an early form of gamification?
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Handy Haversack:

Thanks, Adrian!
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chresti:

Are there PROG video games?
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Deano de los Muertos:

The greatest radio station in the world.
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Handy Haversack:

Maybe Dragon's Lair, chresti? Arcade games on laser disk seem pretty prog to me.
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chresti:

Fredericks, yes I think so!
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Franco Twinkie:

Yesterday I found a hard cover book without a dust jacket with a sticker on the cover - $1.00. I'm going to read it without googling the author. No blurbs, no incisive reviews - nothing. I'll tell you about it next week.
  6:53pm
Sam:

WFMU - the first show’s free. Then you’re hooked.
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Ciggy:

Is the fundraiser a gameification
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Deano de los Muertos:

Anyone remember when Ken is supposed to be doing the “state of the station”?
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PaulRobeson1922:

7 minutes
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DanFA:

8pm
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Deano de los Muertos:

Oh lol thanks
  6:54pm
yippie:

Leather Goddesses of Phobos
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DjLorraine:

8 pm?
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Handy Haversack:

8 PM Eastern, Deano. After the PROG.
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PaulRobeson1922:

67 minutes
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DanFA:

C'mon!!! Give e'em your stupid money
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Handy Haversack:

I played that one, yippie. Leisure suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards, too.

Many thanks, Mark! And this distinction of WFMU as gift and community is *crucial*. This is why we pledge.
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chresti:

10 BUCKS!
  6:56pm
Old Dave:

Up from the Depths Sachs book was a superb read, Mark. Thanks for doing your show, I get great inspiration here.
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MarciB:

Hey the little FMU icons are worth it - and this is the sort of gamification I can get behind.
  6:57pm
wind:

🙏🏽 I believe in you and the message that you preach!
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chresti:

PREACH Mark!
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks, Mark.
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Blobs:

Thank you, Mark!
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chresti:

Thanks Mark!
  6:58pm
P-90:

Thanks Mark!
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Will thee Sound Guy:

Thank you Mark and Adrian!!!
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DanFA:

This should be your new outro music
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Ciggy:

So nice you played it twice
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Fredericks:

Anybody else hear a little Sex Pistols in this internet song?
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Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Good chat tonight.
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DanFA:

@Fredericks, yes but better
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chresti:

Maybe WFMU could have a tv show too!
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