WFMU: Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 20, 2022

Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonquerors!
	6:00pm Rolando: Good morning from sunny Australia
	6:01pm Robm: Hello fellow techies
	6:01pm ultradamno: Wasn't that a delight? That Adriene should have a regular time slot, don't you think?
	6:01pm Franco Twinkie: You know Mark, I've just been sitting in the dark waiting for you.
	🤖 6:01pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonians!
	🤖 6:01pm David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:02pm DjLorraine: Here to stay connected, hi all
	6:02pm Claire from Montclair: Buckling in!
	6:03pm TDK60: Ho Mark.
	6:03pm DanFA: Hello future listeners! Did I win the lottery?
	6:04pm Robm: @Franco lost power?
	6:04pm chris in the redwoods: hi, Mark and folks. listening live :)
	6:05pm Franco Twinkie: No, I just like dark cool rooms.
	6:05pm Robm: @Franco gotcha
	6:07pm ultradamno: The CW has this new show called Tom Swift in which the titular character is an African American tech guy and the white supremacist baddies are anti-tech...it's kind of a head scratcher.
	6:08pm melinda: hi friends
	6:09pm DanFA: Avoid Apples the tech company, not the fruit. You need that vitamin c.
	6:09pm melinda: I started using my new proton mail account!
	6:10pm Old Dave: Mark - there a few other things like the Jan 6 proceedings and Roe V going on in Washington... How to get anyone's serious attention? Facebook is so prevalent in Canada that websites are almost unknown.
	🤖 6:10pm Ken From Hyde Park: @ultra - What channel would I tune to to see that program, I asked remotely?
	6:11pm ultradamno: Well, The CW...
	6:11pm ultradamno: (whatever channel in your area is the affiliate for that)
	6:12pm Bryant from TO: Teeth or Consequences
	6:12pm ultradamno: It's a Nancy Drew spin-off, though you might not pick up on that from watching it.
	🤖 6:13pm Ken From Hyde Park: Sorry, a weak attempt at a Tom Swifty gag.
	🤖 6:14pm Webhamster Henry: It'd be nice if early 20th Century Anti Trust were taken seriously.
	6:15pm _Ike_: Already sent a message to Schumer asking him to bring the legislation up for a vote. As John Oliver pointed out though, two of his daughters work for Big Tech, so…
	6:16pm Robm: I have faint hope’s that anything will get done, hell the gun thing is falling apart
	🤖 6:17pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! All!
	6:18pm iiibeat: Are the Super Libertarians on the left or the right of Libertarianism?
	6:19pm Kim C: Is there any music on here?
	6:19pm _Ike_: @ultradamno, the CW’s ratings are so stunningly low lately that more people have probably watched 3rd-rate Amazon Prime shows (e.g. Josh Brolin Presents: A Big Western Sci-Fi Hole in the Ground in Wyoming) than Tom Swift. Or even 6th-rate Prime shows (“Wayne”?!?).
	6:19pm Robm: @Kim C nope
	6:19pm DanFA: Follow. The. Money. Maaaan
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: [ ] Check here to prove you are a robot.
	6:20pm coelacanth∅: who's left? i don't think libertarians are left either. - he means the democrats on the right (all democrats) and the republicans on the tiny fraction farther on the right?
	6:20pm ultradamno: I've gotten captchas trying to redeem Netflix gift cards while signed in
	6:20pm _Ike_: @Kim C, no, Mon.-Thurs. 6-7 p.m. is talk.
	🤖 6:20pm Ken From Hyde Park: Music will resume at the top of the hour, about 40 minutes from now. The other streams have music at the moment.
	6:21pm coelacanth∅: (there's music on the alternate streams right now)
	6:21pm coelacanth∅: ...(or, what Ken said)
	6:22pm DoberBoy: I'm listening in the future.
	6:23pm coelacanth∅: i'm commenting in the past
	6:24pm Scatten Island: I want to get paid for my CAPTCHA work
	6:24pm iiibeat: I am guessing that Super Libertarians are just relatively unregulated entities. But, at a point, government itself is relatively unregulated . .
	6:26pm ultradamno: But likely more people are watching Tom Swift than are listening to this, not that I'm concerned with ratings in the slightest
	6:27pm Robm: I don’t have high hopes at all
	6:28pm Sophie W: To think Schumer wouldn't pass legislation because his 2 daughters work for big tech is silly. The companies will still be able to make money after this legislation and produce lots of jobs. Schumer is a serious person with serious aims--you think he would place his daughters jobs above the country's welfare? Get real.
	6:29pm Shelly: Do you support the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) and do they suppose these anti-trust bills?
	6:31pm Dean: AT&T wanted regulation at the outset. See Robert Britt Horwitz, The Irony of Regulatory Reform. I'm sorry, but John Oliver is in no position to opine authoritatively on these issues.
	6:31pm ultradamno: Harmful monopolies is the opposite of an oxymoron
	6:32pm coelacanth∅: ironic that happened when shithead reagan, who's regime destroyed most safeguards against monopolies, was in office.
	6:33pm melinda: @Sophie we'll find out soon, I guess
	🤖 6:35pm Webhamster Henry: Sometimes the clueless super tech powers that be just miss the boat - like Microsoft and AOL.
	6:35pm joe mulligan: don't be evil ROFL
	6:35pm morphe': We do not Green Eggs and Ham We do not Like: Bill Gates Ergon This Guy that Guy more we do not like them at all nor google especially Na....
	6:36pm Carmichael: Oliver is smart, although he has no working background in technology.
	6:36pm ultradamno: He does however have team of reseachers and writers. Sheesh.
	6:37pm Carmichael: Yep, ultra.
	6:37pm ultradamno: Y'all are talking like it's made up on the spot.
	6:38pm coelacanth∅: one does not need a background in technology nor even a keen understanding of it to have an excellent understanding of the politics of big tech.
	6:39pm dale: a lot of the bell labs people moved to texas with bell atlantic.
	6:39pm robin: that's not true...freeing the patents was not part of divestiture or trivestiture within bell labs/at&t .
	6:40pm Shelly: I don't trust congress not to break security/encryption because they don't understand cyber security. Internet should be consider a utility like the telephone ect.
	🤖 6:40pm Folsom: it did suck that bell labs went down hill after the breakup, when alcatel had them they only worked on stuff that was marketable in 5 years
	6:40pm robin: (if you wanna talk to me more about this--i worked in the at&t archives for 4 years and also used to work at wfmu)
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: Small companies like me only get a 15% hit from Apple. You have to be $1M/year revenue to get to 30%
	6:40pm Dean: Oh, dear. So John Oliver's opinion exhibits "excellent understanding" because...what?
	6:41pm Carmichael: Yep, this isn't a tech argument, it's a socio-political argument.
	6:41pm Eureka!!!: Microsoft settlement reached November 2001 Yet another beneficiary of post 0911 chaos under the rug Insert the more you know giffery here
	6:41pm morphe': I think most important was that No Other Co had access to the ATT (Monopolized) Infrastructure .. that was the thing .. As so now with Google and ...own product first
	6:42pm DanFA: Should I start watching John Oliver again? I gave up on comedy after 2020.
	6:43pm LiXiviated Life: I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed but I don’t understand how Apple is a monopoly. There are other computers that can be purchased from a number of manufacturers no?
	6:44pm robin: danfa, john oliver is well worth watching.
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: @LiXivated You can only sell iPhone apps in Apple's App store , as opposed to the Mac apps, which can be in the Mac store or not, even though Apple will put up a warning message.
	6:44pm ultradamno: @DanFA you absolutely should One good takeaway from that segment is, if you're not going to avoid these services, you should not be afraid to scroll more.
	🤖 6:45pm Webhamster Henry: The Apple App store is finicky to work with, sometimes the reviewers have a clear cluelessness, but eventually, it goes out and I get the income pretty painlessly, and statistics and stuff.
	6:45pm Shelly: @LiXivated Yes, you can build your own computer. There are many different companies for parts. However, for operating systems for computers (not mobile) there is Apple, Windows, Linux or Unix. There are many flavors of Linux or unix to pick from.
	🤖 6:46pm Ken From Hyde Park: The joke's on them. They will run out of workers to hire in about two years - www.pcmag.com...
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: John Oliver's over the top ranting and silly jokes (and occasionally, brilliant music numbers) help present some seriously good journalism.
	6:47pm Dean: Hearing this, it's clear to me that Oliver (and his team of researchers) is playing us. If you insist on taking sides (which I don't enjoy), I'm on his side. But I utterly reject his argument.
	6:47pm coelacanth∅: right, Webhamster. most americans wont pay any attention at al to anything unless it's entertaining.
	6:48pm Zinn The Mood: Why is anybody surprised by this? America’s economic system is capitalism. Any challenges to it have been literally crushed. To an extent that most people reflexively react to “capitalism” as if it were a deity. Capitalism only ever ends one way and one way only: with the concentrated wealth jn the hands of a few. Which is monopoly. Any reforms will just keep the game going. With every company finding new and improved ways to circumvent the system. As economist Richard Wolff says you have to replace the system itself. As long as we allow this Wild West, unregulated (even moderately regulated) capitalism we’ll be in this hellworld perpetually. We must transition into a socialist economy.
	6:48pm LiXiviated Life: Oh… ok I get it now. Thanks.
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: The Euro everyone-use-USB-C connector would be great!
	6:49pm morphe': At Universities ='70-s => professors would asign a topic to their students ..because the prof was dong a paper/book and had the students do the research leg work... Then stole all the work .. sometimes sentences verbatim..
	6:49pm Fredericks: Mark has a tech background and seems to trust John Oliver.
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: @Coelo - It's what I call the Chicken Suit effect: Great meaningful research will not be put above the fold (or it virtual equivalent) unless you are wearing a chicken suit.
	6:50pm DanFA: Yep, we're boned.
	🤖 6:50pm Folsom: Yeah I'm interested in knowing why Dean doesn't trust Oliver, I guess he also doesn't trust Mark
	6:50pm chris in the redwoods: hey, Zinn. yes, anti-monopoly laws are a part of doing business in many socialistic economies. so, no surprises here, just some helpful possible solutions.
	6:51pm coelacanth∅: Zinn maybe so but it needs to be marketed with a new and catchy name.
	6:52pm Zinn The Mood: Well, we’re in good hands then! The Democrats are in charge. Chuckle is gonna take care of it (with his daughters as lobbyists against the bill)a It’s just all too surreal. And then quickly becomes blood-boiling. The Dems will not save us. Exhibit A right here, as Hurst is saying.
	6:52pm Fredericks: Don't hold back, Mark.
	6:52pm DanFA: Schumer spoke at my middle school graduation ceremony. I was unimpressed with him then, as I am now.
	6:52pm ?: Maybe Ted was right: https://1000manifestos.com/ted-kaczynski-the-unabomber-manifesto/
	6:52pm melinda: @Zinn agree
	6:52pm Dean: I don't trust Oliver because I'm not a fan of late night punditry that plainly operates on a day-by-day "make 'em laugh" protocol. Mark Hurst is not a late night pundit. I respect, but disagree with, his opinion that Oliver has anything of use for us. Is that so hard?
	6:53pm wendy del formaggio: Yes! I’m always psyched when Mark goes into Howard Beale mode. TELL IT, MARK!
	6:53pm Baja Joe: Done!
	6:53pm Bryant in TO: @Zinn Yep, here in Canada, too. We're on our own. But, then, I don't think it's a good idea to look at politicians as heroes anyway.
	6:53pm yippie: nyc is the home of too big to fail
	6:53pm coelacanth∅: why should a democrat being a selfish hypocrite surprise you Mark? (i.e. biden)
	6:53pm Sam: The Democrats are more in bed with Big Tech than the republicans.
	6:53pm castor: You should go protest his office in Manhattan too!
	🤖 6:53pm MarciB: I've emailed Schumer. This will never pass - it's money + power over the will of the people, as always. Schumer is basically Manchin here.
	6:54pm SeaCreature: Don’t stroke out, dude. We need you.
	🤖 6:54pm Handy Haversack: Take the shot! Thanks, Mark! Been cleaning up from D&Ding. Love the message and the fire and the honest rage.
	6:54pm Alexis: Someone has been smoking little bit too much of that weed jajajaj lol
	6:54pm Sophie W: https://theintercept.com/2022/04/19/big-tech-antitrust-chuck-schumer/
	🤖 6:54pm Ken From Hyde Park: @DanFA - He was a speaker at Marist college graduation a couple years ago. It was raining and he spent about one minute on the stage, waved and took off.
	6:54pm Robm: What do you mean alexis?
	6:55pm morphe': Get the aluminum blankets and Get Mark into a moderate temperature zone = or NOT
	🤖 6:55pm MarciB: Mark could say this to Schumer's face and he'd be unmoved. His kids come first.
	6:56pm Sophie W: They're trying to kill the bill--big time
	6:56pm ultradamno: In other words, Dean has nothing
	6:56pm Sam: I haven’t trusted John Oliver since he got a rare opportunity to interview Ed Snowden and he used it to just make a bunch of cringy dick jokes.
	6:56pm arb: Thank you Mark, you're the best!!!
	6:56pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark! yes! yes! yes!
	6:56pm Pomme d'Or: Thank you Mark! Riveting show as always
	6:56pm LiXiviated Life: Love the passion
	6:56pm listener 126464: Thanks again, Mark.
	🤖 6:56pm Bas NL: Mark, Mark, Mark!
	6:57pm Carmichael: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm David in London: Brilliant Mark, just brilliant.
	🤖 6:57pm Folsom: windows media player? VLC all the way
	🤖 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Vote early and vote often!
	6:57pm Choggie: Chuck Schumer: DOUCHBAG SCUM
	6:57pm Rolando: Great show as always. Thank you.
	6:57pm Carmichael: Windows Media Player heard your rant ....
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: Why aren't you using VLC, Mark?
	6:57pm castor: thank you mark!
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: play "Fuck you" by d.o.a.
	6:57pm Robm: @Sam don’t watch either bill or john, two assclowns
	6:57pm Andres: Yes, Mark!!
	🤖 6:57pm MarciB: Amazing show. Thank you Mark!
	6:58pm Dean: For a moment there I thought douchebag scum was an anagram of chuck schumer.
	6:58pm Zinn The Mood: Only full-on civil disobedience, work stoppages/shortages, sit-down strikes, General Strike can save us. Complacency and passivity ain’t gonna cut it. They don’t give a fuck about you, as George Carlin brilliantly and succinctly said in his American Dream piece. Stop engaging with them. Show up, peeps. Talk to people eye to eye in person. We have comrades among us. We. Are. The. 99%
	6:58pm Sam: It’s nuts how the Democratic Party doesn’t get the danger of tech. They’ve become corrupt and hopeless.
	6:58pm Choggie: Television is no longer the drug of the nation
	6:58pm morphe': Thanks Mark - although I canna' now eat...
	6:58pm Franco Twinkie: Believe it or not, I slept thru the whole show.
	6:58pm Fragonard: Bravo, Mark…well-said!!
	6:58pm Bryant in TO: @Zinn Hear hear
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Ha Dean!
	6:59pm melinda: nice exit song
	6:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark
	6:59pm Choggie: Nope. Just Chuck's nickname around the office...
	6:59pm diciassette: Thank you Mark Hurst on the greatest radio station in the world!
	7:00pm Choggie: TikToxic©
	7:00pm coelacanth∅: - or "Fuck you" by Lily Allen
	7:00pm Choggie: ....still waiting for that rant
	7:00pm coelacanth∅: hey dici!
	7:00pm Fragonard: I had no idea about the Schumer clan…but he does pull that “imaginary family” crap sometimes
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: @Zinn Covid gave us a taste of what a general strike could do - there's been a great reevaluation of "work" and all-for-shareholder-profit that was directly experienced, and is leading to demands for higher wages, employee representation, and commute-free employment, and maybe - just maybe - a push for single payer health care.
	7:01pm Zinn The Mood: I hear you, Dean. Read this on the Neoliberal late-night comics: thebaffler.com...
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!

Techtonic with Mark Hurst: Playlist from June 20, 2022

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June 20, 2022: Our last chance to defeat Big Tech (for awhile)

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Apple CEO Tim Cook personally lobbying the Senate, June 9, 2022. (Source)

Today: Our last chance to defeat Big Tech (for awhile)

Congress is bringing the fight to Big Tech. Three bills in Congress, all bipartisan, would help rein in Big Tech's unethical behavior. But if the bills don't pass in the next month, we may not have another chance for years - if ever - to fight Big Tech. Mark Hurst explains on the next Techtonic.

• Go to Antitrust Summer for more information and a call to action

• Tech Monopolies: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (June 12, 2022 show)

Bills:

• 1. The American Innovation and Choice Online Act (S.2992, or “AICOA”) - see the official Senate page

Axios: “The most-likely-to-pass of this Congress’ spate of tech antitrust bills would significantly change how giants like Apple, Amazon, Google and Meta do business by not allowing them to preference their own products. Momentum for the bill has never been stronger, but hurdles remain. Democrats are at odds over certain provisions, and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) has not committed to an official floor date yet for a full Senate vote.”

About Tim Cook: Tim Apple Takes On Washington (Politico, June 10, 2022): “Apple CEO Tim Cook took his charm offensive to Capitol Hill on Thursday, holding meetings with senators on both sides of the aisle to discuss a host of pet issues — especially the American Innovation and Choice Online Act (S. 2992), the tech antitrust legislation that could receive a vote in the upper chamber as soon as this summer. Cook’s Hill meetings are only the latest effort by Apple to deploy its CEO’s star power to wreck the bill’s prospects. He also called members of the Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this year ahead of the markup of both S. 2992 and the Open App Markets Act (S. 2710). Passage of either bill could fundamentally alter Apple’s business model.”

• 2. Open App Markets Act (S.2710, or “OAMA”) - see the official Senate page

Fight for the Future: “The Open App Markets Act (OAMA) addresses the power shift on mobile, by banning the shenanigans that Apple and... Google use to assert their power over mobile. The bill is so clean, concise, and readable that it’s not even worth summarizing. You can read it yourself and it’s awesome.” (Source)

• 3. American Data Privacy and Protection Act - draft bill in the House Energy & Commerce Committee from Chairman Frank Pallone (D-N.J.), ranking member Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Wash.), and Senate Commerce Committee ranking member Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) - see the official draft document (via Axios)

Excerpt: “A covered entity shall not collect, process, or transfer covered data beyond what is reasonably necessary, proportionate, and limited to provide or maintain a specific product or service requested by an individual...”

“The American Data Privacy and Protection Act presents Congress with the best opportunity it has had in decades to stop the very real harms that are happening online every minute of every day,” said Caitriona Fitzgerald, Deputy Director of EPIC, the Electronic Privacy Information Center. (Source)

Axios: “Congress has been trying to pass a comprehensive personal data privacy bill for years now, with many stops and starts. House and Senate lawmakers recently jolted the effort back to life with a bipartisan draft bill and hearing. But disagreements remain, and the chances the privacy bill passes by August are slim.”

CNBC: Bipartisan privacy proposal is ‘unworkable and should be rejected,’ Chamber of Commerce says (CNBC, June 9, 2022)

• BONUS 4. Kids Online Safety Act - from Axios (June 14, 2022):

“More than 100 organizations, including the American Psychological Association and Fairplay, are calling on Cantwell and Wicker to mark up the Kids Online Safety Act this month. The bill from Sens. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) and Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) would require platforms to disable “addictive” features for children and allow kids to opt out of algorithmic recommendations.”

Photos:

Photo from Emily Birnbaum (June 8, 2022), who writes: “Spotted @ today’s press conference on big tech antitrust legislation: a rundown of the sheer amount of money Apple, Amazon, Google and Meta have spent on lobbying this year alone.”

Below, photo from Stanford’s graduation (source), June 12, 2022:

“Congratulations to the Stanford graduates boycotting working at Facebook and Google!”

• Once again, Go to AntitrustSummer.com for more information and a call to action

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Listener comments!
	6:00pm ultradamno: Mark! Techtonquerors!
	6:00pm Rolando: Good morning from sunny Australia
	6:01pm Robm: Hello fellow techies
	6:01pm ultradamno: Wasn't that a delight? That Adriene should have a regular time slot, don't you think?
	6:01pm Franco Twinkie: You know Mark, I've just been sitting in the dark waiting for you.
	🤖 6:01pm chresti: Hi Mark and techtonians!
	🤖 6:01pm David (in London): Evening Mark and all Technoids.
	🤖 6:02pm DjLorraine: Here to stay connected, hi all
	6:02pm Claire from Montclair: Buckling in!
	6:03pm TDK60: Ho Mark.
	6:03pm DanFA: Hello future listeners! Did I win the lottery?
	6:04pm Robm: @Franco lost power?
	6:04pm chris in the redwoods: hi, Mark and folks. listening live :)
	6:05pm Franco Twinkie: No, I just like dark cool rooms.
	6:05pm Robm: @Franco gotcha
	6:07pm ultradamno: The CW has this new show called Tom Swift in which the titular character is an African American tech guy and the white supremacist baddies are anti-tech...it's kind of a head scratcher.
	6:08pm melinda: hi friends
	6:09pm DanFA: Avoid Apples the tech company, not the fruit. You need that vitamin c.
	6:09pm melinda: I started using my new proton mail account!
	6:10pm Old Dave: Mark - there a few other things like the Jan 6 proceedings and Roe V going on in Washington... How to get anyone's serious attention? Facebook is so prevalent in Canada that websites are almost unknown.
	🤖 6:10pm Ken From Hyde Park: @ultra - What channel would I tune to to see that program, I asked remotely?
	6:11pm ultradamno: Well, The CW...
	6:11pm ultradamno: (whatever channel in your area is the affiliate for that)
	6:12pm Bryant from TO: Teeth or Consequences
	6:12pm ultradamno: It's a Nancy Drew spin-off, though you might not pick up on that from watching it.
	🤖 6:13pm Ken From Hyde Park: Sorry, a weak attempt at a Tom Swifty gag.
	🤖 6:14pm Webhamster Henry: It'd be nice if early 20th Century Anti Trust were taken seriously.
	6:15pm _Ike_: Already sent a message to Schumer asking him to bring the legislation up for a vote. As John Oliver pointed out though, two of his daughters work for Big Tech, so…
	6:16pm Robm: I have faint hope’s that anything will get done, hell the gun thing is falling apart
	🤖 6:17pm Bas NL: Hi Mark! All!
	6:18pm iiibeat: Are the Super Libertarians on the left or the right of Libertarianism?
	6:19pm Kim C: Is there any music on here?
	6:19pm _Ike_: @ultradamno, the CW’s ratings are so stunningly low lately that more people have probably watched 3rd-rate Amazon Prime shows (e.g. Josh Brolin Presents: A Big Western Sci-Fi Hole in the Ground in Wyoming) than Tom Swift. Or even 6th-rate Prime shows (“Wayne”?!?).
	6:19pm Robm: @Kim C nope
	6:19pm DanFA: Follow. The. Money. Maaaan
	🤖 6:19pm Webhamster Henry: [ ] Check here to prove you are a robot.
	6:20pm coelacanth∅: who's left? i don't think libertarians are left either. - he means the democrats on the right (all democrats) and the republicans on the tiny fraction farther on the right?
	6:20pm ultradamno: I've gotten captchas trying to redeem Netflix gift cards while signed in
	6:20pm _Ike_: @Kim C, no, Mon.-Thurs. 6-7 p.m. is talk.
	🤖 6:20pm Ken From Hyde Park: Music will resume at the top of the hour, about 40 minutes from now. The other streams have music at the moment.
	6:21pm coelacanth∅: (there's music on the alternate streams right now)
	6:21pm coelacanth∅: ...(or, what Ken said)
	6:22pm DoberBoy: I'm listening in the future.
	6:23pm coelacanth∅: i'm commenting in the past
	6:24pm Scatten Island: I want to get paid for my CAPTCHA work
	6:24pm iiibeat: I am guessing that Super Libertarians are just relatively unregulated entities. But, at a point, government itself is relatively unregulated . .
	6:26pm ultradamno: But likely more people are watching Tom Swift than are listening to this, not that I'm concerned with ratings in the slightest
	6:27pm Robm: I don’t have high hopes at all
	6:28pm Sophie W: To think Schumer wouldn't pass legislation because his 2 daughters work for big tech is silly. The companies will still be able to make money after this legislation and produce lots of jobs. Schumer is a serious person with serious aims--you think he would place his daughters jobs above the country's welfare? Get real.
	6:29pm Shelly: Do you support the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) and do they suppose these anti-trust bills?
	6:31pm Dean: AT&T wanted regulation at the outset. See Robert Britt Horwitz, The Irony of Regulatory Reform. I'm sorry, but John Oliver is in no position to opine authoritatively on these issues.
	6:31pm ultradamno: Harmful monopolies is the opposite of an oxymoron
	6:32pm coelacanth∅: ironic that happened when shithead reagan, who's regime destroyed most safeguards against monopolies, was in office.
	6:33pm melinda: @Sophie we'll find out soon, I guess
	🤖 6:35pm Webhamster Henry: Sometimes the clueless super tech powers that be just miss the boat - like Microsoft and AOL.
	6:35pm joe mulligan: don't be evil ROFL
	6:35pm morphe': We do not Green Eggs and Ham We do not Like: Bill Gates Ergon This Guy that Guy more we do not like them at all nor google especially Na....
	6:36pm Carmichael: Oliver is smart, although he has no working background in technology.
	6:36pm ultradamno: He does however have team of reseachers and writers. Sheesh.
	6:37pm Carmichael: Yep, ultra.
	6:37pm ultradamno: Y'all are talking like it's made up on the spot.
	6:38pm coelacanth∅: one does not need a background in technology nor even a keen understanding of it to have an excellent understanding of the politics of big tech.
	6:39pm dale: a lot of the bell labs people moved to texas with bell atlantic.
	6:39pm robin: that's not true...freeing the patents was not part of divestiture or trivestiture within bell labs/at&t .
	6:40pm Shelly: I don't trust congress not to break security/encryption because they don't understand cyber security. Internet should be consider a utility like the telephone ect.
	🤖 6:40pm Folsom: it did suck that bell labs went down hill after the breakup, when alcatel had them they only worked on stuff that was marketable in 5 years
	6:40pm robin: (if you wanna talk to me more about this--i worked in the at&t archives for 4 years and also used to work at wfmu)
	🤖 6:40pm Webhamster Henry: Small companies like me only get a 15% hit from Apple. You have to be $1M/year revenue to get to 30%
	6:40pm Dean: Oh, dear. So John Oliver's opinion exhibits "excellent understanding" because...what?
	6:41pm Carmichael: Yep, this isn't a tech argument, it's a socio-political argument.
	6:41pm Eureka!!!: Microsoft settlement reached November 2001 Yet another beneficiary of post 0911 chaos under the rug Insert the more you know giffery here
	6:41pm morphe': I think most important was that No Other Co had access to the ATT (Monopolized) Infrastructure .. that was the thing .. As so now with Google and ...own product first
	6:42pm DanFA: Should I start watching John Oliver again? I gave up on comedy after 2020.
	6:43pm LiXiviated Life: I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed but I don’t understand how Apple is a monopoly. There are other computers that can be purchased from a number of manufacturers no?
	6:44pm robin: danfa, john oliver is well worth watching.
	🤖 6:44pm Webhamster Henry: @LiXivated You can only sell iPhone apps in Apple's App store , as opposed to the Mac apps, which can be in the Mac store or not, even though Apple will put up a warning message.
	6:44pm ultradamno: @DanFA you absolutely should One good takeaway from that segment is, if you're not going to avoid these services, you should not be afraid to scroll more.
	🤖 6:45pm Webhamster Henry: The Apple App store is finicky to work with, sometimes the reviewers have a clear cluelessness, but eventually, it goes out and I get the income pretty painlessly, and statistics and stuff.
	6:45pm Shelly: @LiXivated Yes, you can build your own computer. There are many different companies for parts. However, for operating systems for computers (not mobile) there is Apple, Windows, Linux or Unix. There are many flavors of Linux or unix to pick from.
	🤖 6:46pm Ken From Hyde Park: The joke's on them. They will run out of workers to hire in about two years - www.pcmag.com...
	🤖 6:46pm Webhamster Henry: John Oliver's over the top ranting and silly jokes (and occasionally, brilliant music numbers) help present some seriously good journalism.
	6:47pm Dean: Hearing this, it's clear to me that Oliver (and his team of researchers) is playing us. If you insist on taking sides (which I don't enjoy), I'm on his side. But I utterly reject his argument.
	6:47pm coelacanth∅: right, Webhamster. most americans wont pay any attention at al to anything unless it's entertaining.
	6:48pm Zinn The Mood: Why is anybody surprised by this? America’s economic system is capitalism. Any challenges to it have been literally crushed. To an extent that most people reflexively react to “capitalism” as if it were a deity. Capitalism only ever ends one way and one way only: with the concentrated wealth jn the hands of a few. Which is monopoly. Any reforms will just keep the game going. With every company finding new and improved ways to circumvent the system. As economist Richard Wolff says you have to replace the system itself. As long as we allow this Wild West, unregulated (even moderately regulated) capitalism we’ll be in this hellworld perpetually. We must transition into a socialist economy.
	6:48pm LiXiviated Life: Oh… ok I get it now. Thanks.
	🤖 6:48pm Webhamster Henry: The Euro everyone-use-USB-C connector would be great!
	6:49pm morphe': At Universities ='70-s => professors would asign a topic to their students ..because the prof was dong a paper/book and had the students do the research leg work... Then stole all the work .. sometimes sentences verbatim..
	6:49pm Fredericks: Mark has a tech background and seems to trust John Oliver.
	🤖 6:49pm Webhamster Henry: @Coelo - It's what I call the Chicken Suit effect: Great meaningful research will not be put above the fold (or it virtual equivalent) unless you are wearing a chicken suit.
	6:50pm DanFA: Yep, we're boned.
	🤖 6:50pm Folsom: Yeah I'm interested in knowing why Dean doesn't trust Oliver, I guess he also doesn't trust Mark
	6:50pm chris in the redwoods: hey, Zinn. yes, anti-monopoly laws are a part of doing business in many socialistic economies. so, no surprises here, just some helpful possible solutions.
	6:51pm coelacanth∅: Zinn maybe so but it needs to be marketed with a new and catchy name.
	6:52pm Zinn The Mood: Well, we’re in good hands then! The Democrats are in charge. Chuckle is gonna take care of it (with his daughters as lobbyists against the bill)a It’s just all too surreal. And then quickly becomes blood-boiling. The Dems will not save us. Exhibit A right here, as Hurst is saying.
	6:52pm Fredericks: Don't hold back, Mark.
	6:52pm DanFA: Schumer spoke at my middle school graduation ceremony. I was unimpressed with him then, as I am now.
	6:52pm ?: Maybe Ted was right: https://1000manifestos.com/ted-kaczynski-the-unabomber-manifesto/
	6:52pm melinda: @Zinn agree
	6:52pm Dean: I don't trust Oliver because I'm not a fan of late night punditry that plainly operates on a day-by-day "make 'em laugh" protocol. Mark Hurst is not a late night pundit. I respect, but disagree with, his opinion that Oliver has anything of use for us. Is that so hard?
	6:53pm wendy del formaggio: Yes! I’m always psyched when Mark goes into Howard Beale mode. TELL IT, MARK!
	6:53pm Baja Joe: Done!
	6:53pm Bryant in TO: @Zinn Yep, here in Canada, too. We're on our own. But, then, I don't think it's a good idea to look at politicians as heroes anyway.
	6:53pm yippie: nyc is the home of too big to fail
	6:53pm coelacanth∅: why should a democrat being a selfish hypocrite surprise you Mark? (i.e. biden)
	6:53pm Sam: The Democrats are more in bed with Big Tech than the republicans.
	6:53pm castor: You should go protest his office in Manhattan too!
	🤖 6:53pm MarciB: I've emailed Schumer. This will never pass - it's money + power over the will of the people, as always. Schumer is basically Manchin here.
	6:54pm SeaCreature: Don’t stroke out, dude. We need you.
	🤖 6:54pm Handy Haversack: Take the shot! Thanks, Mark! Been cleaning up from D&Ding. Love the message and the fire and the honest rage.
	6:54pm Alexis: Someone has been smoking little bit too much of that weed jajajaj lol
	6:54pm Sophie W: https://theintercept.com/2022/04/19/big-tech-antitrust-chuck-schumer/
	🤖 6:54pm Ken From Hyde Park: @DanFA - He was a speaker at Marist college graduation a couple years ago. It was raining and he spent about one minute on the stage, waved and took off.
	6:54pm Robm: What do you mean alexis?
	6:55pm morphe': Get the aluminum blankets and Get Mark into a moderate temperature zone = or NOT
	🤖 6:55pm MarciB: Mark could say this to Schumer's face and he'd be unmoved. His kids come first.
	6:56pm Sophie W: They're trying to kill the bill--big time
	6:56pm ultradamno: In other words, Dean has nothing
	6:56pm Sam: I haven’t trusted John Oliver since he got a rare opportunity to interview Ed Snowden and he used it to just make a bunch of cringy dick jokes.
	6:56pm arb: Thank you Mark, you're the best!!!
	6:56pm chris in the redwoods: thanks, Mark! yes! yes! yes!
	6:56pm Pomme d'Or: Thank you Mark! Riveting show as always
	6:56pm LiXiviated Life: Love the passion
	6:56pm listener 126464: Thanks again, Mark.
	🤖 6:56pm Bas NL: Mark, Mark, Mark!
	6:57pm Carmichael: Thanks Mark!
	6:57pm David in London: Brilliant Mark, just brilliant.
	🤖 6:57pm Folsom: windows media player? VLC all the way
	🤖 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park: Thanks, Mark. Vote early and vote often!
	6:57pm Choggie: Chuck Schumer: DOUCHBAG SCUM
	6:57pm Rolando: Great show as always. Thank you.
	6:57pm Carmichael: Windows Media Player heard your rant ....
	🤖 6:57pm Webhamster Henry: Why aren't you using VLC, Mark?
	6:57pm castor: thank you mark!
	6:57pm coelacanth∅: play "Fuck you" by d.o.a.
	6:57pm Robm: @Sam don’t watch either bill or john, two assclowns
	6:57pm Andres: Yes, Mark!!
	🤖 6:57pm MarciB: Amazing show. Thank you Mark!
	6:58pm Dean: For a moment there I thought douchebag scum was an anagram of chuck schumer.
	6:58pm Zinn The Mood: Only full-on civil disobedience, work stoppages/shortages, sit-down strikes, General Strike can save us. Complacency and passivity ain’t gonna cut it. They don’t give a fuck about you, as George Carlin brilliantly and succinctly said in his American Dream piece. Stop engaging with them. Show up, peeps. Talk to people eye to eye in person. We have comrades among us. We. Are. The. 99%
	6:58pm Sam: It’s nuts how the Democratic Party doesn’t get the danger of tech. They’ve become corrupt and hopeless.
	6:58pm Choggie: Television is no longer the drug of the nation
	6:58pm morphe': Thanks Mark - although I canna' now eat...
	6:58pm Franco Twinkie: Believe it or not, I slept thru the whole show.
	6:58pm Fragonard: Bravo, Mark…well-said!!
	6:58pm Bryant in TO: @Zinn Hear hear
	🤖 6:58pm chresti: Ha Dean!
	6:59pm melinda: nice exit song
	6:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Mark
	6:59pm Choggie: Nope. Just Chuck's nickname around the office...
	6:59pm diciassette: Thank you Mark Hurst on the greatest radio station in the world!
	7:00pm Choggie: TikToxic©
	7:00pm coelacanth∅: - or "Fuck you" by Lily Allen
	7:00pm Choggie: ....still waiting for that rant
	7:00pm coelacanth∅: hey dici!
	7:00pm Fragonard: I had no idea about the Schumer clan…but he does pull that “imaginary family” crap sometimes
	🤖 7:00pm Webhamster Henry: @Zinn Covid gave us a taste of what a general strike could do - there's been a great reevaluation of "work" and all-for-shareholder-profit that was directly experienced, and is leading to demands for higher wages, employee representation, and commute-free employment, and maybe - just maybe - a push for single payer health care.
	7:01pm Zinn The Mood: I hear you, Dean. Read this on the Neoliberal late-night comics: thebaffler.com...
	7:01pm Mark Hurst: Thanks, everyone!

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