WFMU: If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from May 18, 2022

Listener comments!
	10:05pm coelacanth∅: unlike,say, "grub"
	🥁 10:05pm DL in LA: I lost my horse! (I can't be the only commenter to ever say that.)
	10:06pm Sam Segal: @Coel, or "glug," for that matter.
	10:06pm coelacanth∅: greetings Sam, stablemates & unstablemates
	10:07pm Sam Segal: You've come to the right place, DL!
	10:08pm zzz: DJ SS, all folks: hello!
	10:08pm coelacanth∅: yes, and "POP"
	10:08pm Listener Gregory: My horse was lost but now is found, was blind but now it sees. I'm just here for a few minutes. Loving the raga.
	🥁 10:09pm DL in LA: Cool. I had a weird feeling this was the right place for me. The raga already confirms it.
	10:10pm coelacanth∅: bratt avenue, huh... i grew up on bratt avenue. well, okay it wasn't called that until i was living there.
	10:12pm doctorjazz: Hi Sam and equestrians! Be in and out for the last 2 hours of my birthday (another shameless hint for birthday wishes).
	10:13pm Listener Gregory: Will this be the raga-and-bone shop of my heart?? I don't celebrate birthdays, @doctorj, but I hope today is not too awful for you.
	10:15pm northguineahills: @coel: So, you went to the Bratt Inst as well?
	10:15pm zzz: happy bday docjazz!
	10:16pm doctorjazz: Had to take my aging pooch Ozzie to the Vet, likely arthritis we were told ($600 later-that's lots of LPs and CDs...)
	10:17pm Listener Gregory: Wouldn't Ozzie be happier listening to your CDs than getting that nasty medicine?
	10:17pm Sam Segal: Welcome, zzz, Listener Gregory, Doc, and NGH!
	10:18pm northguineahills: I hope you had a whinnying bday today, dr. jazz, see rouncey, you hear.
	10:18pm doctorjazz: Thanks, zzz! Some Raga and Roll, amirite?
	10:18pm Sam Segal: Happy birthday, Doc! Always feel free to plug your day on this comments board. Hope Ozzie's joints feel better soon.
	10:19pm zzz: i am looking forward to getting schooled tonight on ragas/indian classical music/etc. i recently picked up a reissue of a brij bhushan kabra release that i’ve been obsessed with. listened to it on repeat for a couple days, but overall very unfamiliar with all of these amazing sounds
	🥁 10:19pm WR: seems like bodegan sprawl. Ridgewood was Arabic singers, now Sam is raga-ing out.
	10:21pm Sam Segal: WR! Gary's influence is inescapable...especially on Wednesdays.
	10:22pm doctorjazz: Thanks-definitely on world tour since 5 pm today, very nice!
	10:22pm Sam Segal: @zzz, I've never listened to Brij Bhusan Kabra. Very intrigued by him based on my quick Google just now.
	🥁 10:22pm WR: zzz, it seems like you are already deep into Indian classical and related musics, but, of course, once we start learning, we will always be students.
	10:22pm 🇺🇦 Ike 🇺🇦: I know it's not a competition, but GtDR is killing it. Killing what exactly? I have no idea!
	10:24pm doctorjazz: Always like hearing Indian music, but have to sayi know nothing about it. (So much music, so little time...)
	10:24pm Dean: Nikhil Banerjee is my go-to for straight-ahead classical raga recitals.
	10:25pm Sam Segal: Ike! Thank you! We aims to kill...or wait, maybe not.
	10:25pm Sam Segal: Same here, Dean. Nikhil Banerjee was the first Indian classical artist I ever got really into, other than general exposure to Ravi Shankar as a kid.
	10:27pm zzz: we might be hearing some later, but Dean, Sam, any particular release you recommend for checking out Banerjee?
	10:28pm Dean: Decades ago I managed to go to an India festival in Long Beach, CA, at a large venue. Performers danced, played, and sang, including Lakshmi Shankar, which was a big deal. I was in my usual t-shirt and jeans, but most of the female attendees were in saris. I sat next to one, who said to me, "You are the most comfortable person here."
	10:28pm Listener Gregory: Sam, what makes a composition a raga in particular? Use of a certain scale?
	10:29pm Sam Segal: I listen to the album "Afternoon Ragas" (1992) by Nikhil Banerjee a lot...often in the afternoon.
	10:30pm Dean: For Banerjee, yes: this live recording from De Kosmos in Amsterdam, 1972, and beyond that anything from Raga: https://www.discogs.com/master/2321113-Nikhil-Banerjee-Live-At-De-Kosmos-Amsterdam-1972
	10:31pm rw: Good evening! Happy to be without my horse here for a couple hours.
	10:31pm Sam Segal: @ListenerGregory, I am far from an expert, but my understanding is that a raga is sort of like a specific combination of different scales.
	10:31pm Dean: Ragas are scales, and one performs them in a form not unlike sonata form inasmuch as there are rules for proceeding from one segment to the next.
	10:31pm doctorjazz: Ragas are based on scales... "What is a Raga? - Raag Hindustani" raag-hindustani.com...
	10:31pm zzz: thanks for the recs!
	10:32pm Sam Segal: rw, you make a great point...it never occurred to me that being without a horse might be a good thing!
	10:32pm Sam Segal: Dean's explanation makes more sense than mine.
	10:35pm Listener Gregory: Thanks for the raga ed, everyone.
	10:35pm rw: I have a friend who was taking sitar lessons... he had a funny story I'm sure won't be so funny if I retell it... basically, he had learned a morning raga and had been practicing it. His teacher then taught him an afternoon raga so he would have something to play in the afternoon. My friend said, but I can still practice the morning raga at other times of day, right? The teacher paused and said, ...I wouldn't.
	10:37pm Dean: God bless George Harrison for making sure we heard Ravi.
	10:38pm Listener Gregory: @rw, why tempt the fates?
	10:39pm Sam Segal: Hahahaha that is a great story, rw. In this book I was reading, "Finding the Raga: An Improvisation on Indian Music" by Amit Chaudhuri, he talks about how the time of day associated with each raga is non-mimetic...like there's no "morning" quality in a morning raga. That is what led to this week's episode title.
	10:43pm rw: Really, Sam? I thought for sure there was some quality I was just too uneducated to notice.
	10:44pm Sam Segal: I had the same thought for years, but apparently not!
	10:44pm doctorjazz: That is a cool story rw!
	10:44pm Dean: Western classical music isn't all that different. The pursuit of mimesis and verisimilitude really needs to be applied cautiously.
	10:50pm Listener Gregory: I pursued mimesis until the court order came down. I don't say that proudly.
	10:57pm Listener Gregory: The talkover music reminded me of an album I used to listen to in the previous century by jazz saxophonist John Handy and a number of Indian musicians. It was a cassette I used to play when I had to work on the weekends. At some point, I began to notice that the music was really deviating from Western scales. Then I realized that the cassette tape was stretching and getting farther and farther from reality with each playing. I never found the album on LP or disc.
	10:57pm Sam Segal: Wow, I'd love to hear that album, both the warped un-warped versions.
	10:58pm doctorjazz: Love that, LG!
	11:03pm doctorjazz: Was this it? "John Handy & Ali Akbar Khan – Two Originals: Karuna Supreme & Rainbow (CD) - Discogs" www.discogs.com... "Rainbow (John Handy album) - Wikipedia" en.m.wikipedia.org...
	11:04pm doctorjazz: Ok, loving this, back in a bit...
	11:05pm Listener Gregory: I think the album was Rainbow, with Ali Akhbar Kahn and L. Subramaniam. Ooops, you beat me to it, @doctorj. I should try to find Karuna Supreme.
	11:06pm rw: Is there a way to slow down a CD player? Drag your thumb on the edge or something?
	11:10pm Listener Gregory: @rw, I think you have to speed yourself up instead.
	11:11pm rw: Ah! LG. Of course.
	11:16pm Listener Gregory: I sadly have to leave, to see a man about a horse. Thanks, Sam! And many happy returns, @doctorj!
	11:16pm northguineahills: laters, LG!
	11:17pm Sam Segal: Glad to have you aboard, LG!
	11:17pm zzz: this sounds so good
	11:18pm Sam Segal: Sabri Khan really rips it up on that one.
	11:19pm Sam Segal: Interesting to hear the Veena without the drone on this track. I love the tone of this instrument.
	11:20pm zzz: very cool sounds on these lead strings
	11:23pm doctorjazz: HI-back from Headspace-ing! This Raga Vachaspathi at times sounds like country blues, other times like Jewish Cantorial/Chazanish music...
	11:30pm Sam Segal: I can hear both of those vibes in that piece as well, Doc. To bring it back to this book that inspired the show, Amit Chaudhuri had a term for his experience of hearing the blues in a raga. He called it "double hearing." Sounds like you may have uncovered "triple hearing."
	11:31pm Sam Segal: This is the book, by the way: www.nyrb.com...
	🥁 11:39pm WR: Kala Ramnath gets my top clicky star tonight. Lovely.
	11:42pm Sam Segal: Glad you like it too, WR. If I'm not mistaken, a "Hori" is a light classical song form traditionally performed around the Holi festival of colors.
	11:56pm chresti: Hello listening! And Learning about what one can and cannot carry on a plane. You can pack an axe or hatchet in check-in luggage only, for example
	11:56pm northguineahills: lost internet, and am back for the end.
	11:57pm Sam Segal: Never know when you might need your hatchet, Chresti!
	11:57pm rw: chresti, how are you supposed to build a campfire on your way to the Bay?
	11:59pm doctorjazz: Almost time for the stable, thanks for the subcontinental sounds Sam, night all!
	12:00am doctorjazz: chresti-Madison Cawthorn learned that the hard way...
	12:02am caroline from atlanta: been listening while doing some cleaning and really enjoyed the show, ty sam!
	12:02am coelacanth∅: Thank you Sam! Happy post-birthday doctor!
	12:04am rw: That was quick. Thank you Sam! Fun AND interesting. Good night everyone!
	12:04am zzz: this was a great show, thanks SS! goodnight, all (LOVED the Ali Khan brothers track)
	12:04am coelacanth∅: what the hell! since when does the drummer stream cut off live programming?
	🥁 12:04am WR: Thank you Sam! doctorjazz, starting count down to your next birthday!
	12:05am rw: Sam, you pulled the plug on yourself. Good night!
	12:05am coelacanth∅: that's some bunny shit! ...Thanks Sam tchau peeps
	12:05am Sam Segal: Wow, lost internet at the perfect time. Not sure what happened on my end. Thank you all for being here!
	12:06am Sam Segal: Just to clarify, it was an internet issue on my end, not the stream's fault.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Approx. start time
Ustad Shujaat Khan & Enayet Hossain	Raga: Pahari	Sweet Melodies	Aimrec	0:00:00 (Pop-up)

Mehdi Hassan	Patta Patta Boota Boota	Ghazals (Vol II)	EMI	0:15:24 (Pop-up)
Asha Bhosle & Bhupinder	Kisi Nazar Ko	Aitbaar	Super	0:19:54 (Pop-up)
Pankaj Udas	Choom Kar Madh Bhari Aankhen	Na-Yaab	Music India	0:26:56 (Pop-up)
Anuradha Paudwal & Amit Sana	Thi Meri Dastan	Kalyug	Saregama India	0:32:59 (Pop-up)
Lata Mangeshkar	Tujhse Naraz Nahin Zindagi	The Best of Gulzar Ever, Vol. 3	Saregama India	0:37:20 (Pop-up)
Lata Mangeshkar	Aye Dil E Nadan "Aye Dil E Nadan" by "Lata Mangeshkar"	Razia Sultan	Saregama India	0:40:43 (Pop-up)

Smt. Rajeswari Pariti	Venkata Chala	Carnatic Veena Recital By Smt. Rajeswari Pariti	The Orchard	0:53:02 (Pop-up)
Ganesh & Kumaresh	Raga Karnaranjani	Thillanas: A Confluence Of Rhythm & Melody	Living Media India	0:57:17 (Pop-up)
Heeralal Dhandhada	Raga Maand "Raga Maand" by "Heeralal Dhandhada"	Mewar Re Mira	Navras	1:02:02 (Pop-up)
Nirmala Rajasekar	Sarasuda Varnam (Raga Saveri, Aadi Tala)	Into the Raga	Innova	1:06:32 (Pop-up)
Sabri Khan	Sham Kalyan "Sham Kalyan" by "Sabri Khan"	Sarangi	EMI	1:13:00 (Pop-up)
Emani Sankara Sastry	Raga Vachaspathi	Inde Du Sud - Concert De Vina, Par E.S.Sastry	Ocora	1:18:10 (Pop-up)

Ashwini Bhide Deshpande	Raga Bhimpalasi	The Best of Hindustani Vocal, Vol. 1	Living Media India	1:28:25 (Pop-up)
Kala Ramnath	Maand - Hori "Maand - Hori" by "Kala Ramnath"	Country Classics from India - Violin Recital	Kalashree	1:35:46 (Pop-up)
Nazakat & Salamat Ali Khan	Thumri In Raga Pahadi	Raga Darbari Kanarra	Network	1:42:56 (Pop-up)
G.S.Sachdev	Romantic Dialogue "Romantic Dialogue" by "G.S.Sachdev"	Bansuri - The Bamboo Flute Of India	Lyrichord	1:58:15 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	10:05pm coelacanth∅: unlike,say, "grub"
	🥁 10:05pm DL in LA: I lost my horse! (I can't be the only commenter to ever say that.)
	10:06pm Sam Segal: @Coel, or "glug," for that matter.
	10:06pm coelacanth∅: greetings Sam, stablemates & unstablemates
	10:07pm Sam Segal: You've come to the right place, DL!
	10:08pm zzz: DJ SS, all folks: hello!
	10:08pm coelacanth∅: yes, and "POP"
	10:08pm Listener Gregory: My horse was lost but now is found, was blind but now it sees. I'm just here for a few minutes. Loving the raga.
	🥁 10:09pm DL in LA: Cool. I had a weird feeling this was the right place for me. The raga already confirms it.
	10:10pm coelacanth∅: bratt avenue, huh... i grew up on bratt avenue. well, okay it wasn't called that until i was living there.
	10:12pm doctorjazz: Hi Sam and equestrians! Be in and out for the last 2 hours of my birthday (another shameless hint for birthday wishes).
	10:13pm Listener Gregory: Will this be the raga-and-bone shop of my heart?? I don't celebrate birthdays, @doctorj, but I hope today is not too awful for you.
	10:15pm northguineahills: @coel: So, you went to the Bratt Inst as well?
	10:15pm zzz: happy bday docjazz!
	10:16pm doctorjazz: Had to take my aging pooch Ozzie to the Vet, likely arthritis we were told ($600 later-that's lots of LPs and CDs...)
	10:17pm Listener Gregory: Wouldn't Ozzie be happier listening to your CDs than getting that nasty medicine?
	10:17pm Sam Segal: Welcome, zzz, Listener Gregory, Doc, and NGH!
	10:18pm northguineahills: I hope you had a whinnying bday today, dr. jazz, see rouncey, you hear.
	10:18pm doctorjazz: Thanks, zzz! Some Raga and Roll, amirite?
	10:18pm Sam Segal: Happy birthday, Doc! Always feel free to plug your day on this comments board. Hope Ozzie's joints feel better soon.
	10:19pm zzz: i am looking forward to getting schooled tonight on ragas/indian classical music/etc. i recently picked up a reissue of a brij bhushan kabra release that i’ve been obsessed with. listened to it on repeat for a couple days, but overall very unfamiliar with all of these amazing sounds
	🥁 10:19pm WR: seems like bodegan sprawl. Ridgewood was Arabic singers, now Sam is raga-ing out.
	10:21pm Sam Segal: WR! Gary's influence is inescapable...especially on Wednesdays.
	10:22pm doctorjazz: Thanks-definitely on world tour since 5 pm today, very nice!
	10:22pm Sam Segal: @zzz, I've never listened to Brij Bhusan Kabra. Very intrigued by him based on my quick Google just now.
	🥁 10:22pm WR: zzz, it seems like you are already deep into Indian classical and related musics, but, of course, once we start learning, we will always be students.
	10:22pm 🇺🇦 Ike 🇺🇦: I know it's not a competition, but GtDR is killing it. Killing what exactly? I have no idea!
	10:24pm doctorjazz: Always like hearing Indian music, but have to sayi know nothing about it. (So much music, so little time...)
	10:24pm Dean: Nikhil Banerjee is my go-to for straight-ahead classical raga recitals.
	10:25pm Sam Segal: Ike! Thank you! We aims to kill...or wait, maybe not.
	10:25pm Sam Segal: Same here, Dean. Nikhil Banerjee was the first Indian classical artist I ever got really into, other than general exposure to Ravi Shankar as a kid.
	10:27pm zzz: we might be hearing some later, but Dean, Sam, any particular release you recommend for checking out Banerjee?
	10:28pm Dean: Decades ago I managed to go to an India festival in Long Beach, CA, at a large venue. Performers danced, played, and sang, including Lakshmi Shankar, which was a big deal. I was in my usual t-shirt and jeans, but most of the female attendees were in saris. I sat next to one, who said to me, "You are the most comfortable person here."
	10:28pm Listener Gregory: Sam, what makes a composition a raga in particular? Use of a certain scale?
	10:29pm Sam Segal: I listen to the album "Afternoon Ragas" (1992) by Nikhil Banerjee a lot...often in the afternoon.
	10:30pm Dean: For Banerjee, yes: this live recording from De Kosmos in Amsterdam, 1972, and beyond that anything from Raga: https://www.discogs.com/master/2321113-Nikhil-Banerjee-Live-At-De-Kosmos-Amsterdam-1972
	10:31pm rw: Good evening! Happy to be without my horse here for a couple hours.
	10:31pm Sam Segal: @ListenerGregory, I am far from an expert, but my understanding is that a raga is sort of like a specific combination of different scales.
	10:31pm Dean: Ragas are scales, and one performs them in a form not unlike sonata form inasmuch as there are rules for proceeding from one segment to the next.
	10:31pm doctorjazz: Ragas are based on scales... "What is a Raga? - Raag Hindustani" raag-hindustani.com...
	10:31pm zzz: thanks for the recs!
	10:32pm Sam Segal: rw, you make a great point...it never occurred to me that being without a horse might be a good thing!
	10:32pm Sam Segal: Dean's explanation makes more sense than mine.
	10:35pm Listener Gregory: Thanks for the raga ed, everyone.
	10:35pm rw: I have a friend who was taking sitar lessons... he had a funny story I'm sure won't be so funny if I retell it... basically, he had learned a morning raga and had been practicing it. His teacher then taught him an afternoon raga so he would have something to play in the afternoon. My friend said, but I can still practice the morning raga at other times of day, right? The teacher paused and said, ...I wouldn't.
	10:37pm Dean: God bless George Harrison for making sure we heard Ravi.
	10:38pm Listener Gregory: @rw, why tempt the fates?
	10:39pm Sam Segal: Hahahaha that is a great story, rw. In this book I was reading, "Finding the Raga: An Improvisation on Indian Music" by Amit Chaudhuri, he talks about how the time of day associated with each raga is non-mimetic...like there's no "morning" quality in a morning raga. That is what led to this week's episode title.
	10:43pm rw: Really, Sam? I thought for sure there was some quality I was just too uneducated to notice.
	10:44pm Sam Segal: I had the same thought for years, but apparently not!
	10:44pm doctorjazz: That is a cool story rw!
	10:44pm Dean: Western classical music isn't all that different. The pursuit of mimesis and verisimilitude really needs to be applied cautiously.
	10:50pm Listener Gregory: I pursued mimesis until the court order came down. I don't say that proudly.
	10:57pm Listener Gregory: The talkover music reminded me of an album I used to listen to in the previous century by jazz saxophonist John Handy and a number of Indian musicians. It was a cassette I used to play when I had to work on the weekends. At some point, I began to notice that the music was really deviating from Western scales. Then I realized that the cassette tape was stretching and getting farther and farther from reality with each playing. I never found the album on LP or disc.
	10:57pm Sam Segal: Wow, I'd love to hear that album, both the warped un-warped versions.
	10:58pm doctorjazz: Love that, LG!
	11:03pm doctorjazz: Was this it? "John Handy & Ali Akbar Khan – Two Originals: Karuna Supreme & Rainbow (CD) - Discogs" www.discogs.com... "Rainbow (John Handy album) - Wikipedia" en.m.wikipedia.org...
	11:04pm doctorjazz: Ok, loving this, back in a bit...
	11:05pm Listener Gregory: I think the album was Rainbow, with Ali Akhbar Kahn and L. Subramaniam. Ooops, you beat me to it, @doctorj. I should try to find Karuna Supreme.
	11:06pm rw: Is there a way to slow down a CD player? Drag your thumb on the edge or something?
	11:10pm Listener Gregory: @rw, I think you have to speed yourself up instead.
	11:11pm rw: Ah! LG. Of course.
	11:16pm Listener Gregory: I sadly have to leave, to see a man about a horse. Thanks, Sam! And many happy returns, @doctorj!
	11:16pm northguineahills: laters, LG!
	11:17pm Sam Segal: Glad to have you aboard, LG!
	11:17pm zzz: this sounds so good
	11:18pm Sam Segal: Sabri Khan really rips it up on that one.
	11:19pm Sam Segal: Interesting to hear the Veena without the drone on this track. I love the tone of this instrument.
	11:20pm zzz: very cool sounds on these lead strings
	11:23pm doctorjazz: HI-back from Headspace-ing! This Raga Vachaspathi at times sounds like country blues, other times like Jewish Cantorial/Chazanish music...
	11:30pm Sam Segal: I can hear both of those vibes in that piece as well, Doc. To bring it back to this book that inspired the show, Amit Chaudhuri had a term for his experience of hearing the blues in a raga. He called it "double hearing." Sounds like you may have uncovered "triple hearing."
	11:31pm Sam Segal: This is the book, by the way: www.nyrb.com...
	🥁 11:39pm WR: Kala Ramnath gets my top clicky star tonight. Lovely.
	11:42pm Sam Segal: Glad you like it too, WR. If I'm not mistaken, a "Hori" is a light classical song form traditionally performed around the Holi festival of colors.
	11:56pm chresti: Hello listening! And Learning about what one can and cannot carry on a plane. You can pack an axe or hatchet in check-in luggage only, for example
	11:56pm northguineahills: lost internet, and am back for the end.
	11:57pm Sam Segal: Never know when you might need your hatchet, Chresti!
	11:57pm rw: chresti, how are you supposed to build a campfire on your way to the Bay?
	11:59pm doctorjazz: Almost time for the stable, thanks for the subcontinental sounds Sam, night all!
	12:00am doctorjazz: chresti-Madison Cawthorn learned that the hard way...
	12:02am caroline from atlanta: been listening while doing some cleaning and really enjoyed the show, ty sam!
	12:02am coelacanth∅: Thank you Sam! Happy post-birthday doctor!
	12:04am rw: That was quick. Thank you Sam! Fun AND interesting. Good night everyone!
	12:04am zzz: this was a great show, thanks SS! goodnight, all (LOVED the Ali Khan brothers track)
	12:04am coelacanth∅: what the hell! since when does the drummer stream cut off live programming?
	🥁 12:04am WR: Thank you Sam! doctorjazz, starting count down to your next birthday!
	12:05am rw: Sam, you pulled the plug on yourself. Good night!
	12:05am coelacanth∅: that's some bunny shit! ...Thanks Sam tchau peeps
	12:05am Sam Segal: Wow, lost internet at the perfect time. Not sure what happened on my end. Thank you all for being here!
	12:06am Sam Segal: Just to clarify, it was an internet issue on my end, not the stream's fault.

If You Lose Your Horse with Sam Segal: Playlist from May 18, 2022

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