WFMU: Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from May 25, 2022

Listener comments!
	6:58pm LambdaCalculus: Heya Gary!
	6:58pm Gary: Hey there, LambdaC!
	6:59pm tim abdellah: Hiya Gary!! It's been a few weeks since I got to hang out. Looking forward to this one!
	7:00pm Gary: Tim, this is the show for you! haha
	7:02pm headcleaner: Evening, all
	7:02pm melinda: hi Gary and chums
	7:02pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Gary, Andrew, and all!
	7:04pm Gary: Welcome, Headcleaner, Melinda, and James!
	7:05pm Doug Schulkind: Hi, Gary! Hello, Garyphiles!
	🇰🇷 7:06pm WR: www.discogs.com...
	7:06pm peter: hello Gary & all!
	7:06pm TDK60: Hi there.
	7:07pm Gary: Stream Master Doug! WR! Peter! TDK60!
	7:10pm doctorjazz: Hello Bodega Boppers!
	7:11pm Gary: Dr. Jazz!
	7:14pm Andrew: Hi all! Can't wait to talk cassettes!
	7:14pm Rich in Washington: Gary!
	7:14pm Gary: Andrew Simon's in the house! I mean bodega. Welcome! And hey there Rich!
	7:25pm Rich in Washington: This is amazing!
	7:26pm Andrew: Now imagine this song blasting for tons of taxis in Cairo! Thank you flash drives in dashboards.
	7:26pm Jill B.: Hi Gary. Better late than never!
	7:26pm Gary: This one's on vinyl! Got my copy at Record Grouch
	7:26pm Gary: Mom!
	7:27pm Jill B.: Son!
	🇰🇷 7:32pm WR: we hear him, his level a bit lower than yours.
	🇰🇷 7:33pm WR: Levels better.
	7:42pm Nate from Oz: great show. thanks.
	7:43pm Gary: Welcome, Nate!
	7:45pm Nate from Oz: is any of this music available for non Egyptian protestors like me?
	7:47pm peter: i think i remember this having a very crudely comic music video on YouTube..
	7:48pm Gary: Yes!
	🇰🇷 7:56pm WR: 100copies.bandcamp.com several are here
	8:01pm caroline from atlanta: evening all! logging in late :~)
	8:02pm Gary: Caroline!
	🇰🇷 8:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: WooHoo ! Egypt !
	8:03pm Gary: RevRab!
	8:10pm headcleaner: 102 million Egyptians can't be wrong
	8:10pm Nate from Oz: what a great song!
	8:12pm Nate from Oz: thanks so much Gary and Andrew. got to run to a meeting!
	8:13pm Gary: Happy meeting, Nate!
	8:14pm Andrew: Thanks for listening, Nate! I hope you don't encounter any traffic : )
	🇰🇷 8:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Thx Andrew Simon for all this Presentation !
	8:22pm tim abdellah: The cassette police!!!
	8:23pm headcleaner: I think we've just heard a new band name
	8:23pm PaulRobeson1922: Hi Gary Hi Andrew! Hi all!!
	8:29pm peter: Did I come for the talk and stay for the music, or come for the music and stay for the talk..?
	🇰🇷 8:30pm Listener Gregory: Will listen while waiting for a phone call. Seems really fascinating.
	8:31pm Gary: PaulRobeson1922! Gregory!
	8:37pm Andrew: This song is about Richard Nixon's visit to Cairo in the summer of 1974!
	8:37pm Andrew: It was remixed in this electro-rock version following the Egyptian Revolution in 2011!
	🇰🇷 8:41pm WR: Dunno why I find this remix of Nixon Baba so charming. Mostly liking the vocal, which I would guess was same on the original. So would like to hear the original as well.
	8:42pm Gary: We'll hear it in a bit!
	8:43pm northguineahills: Doesn't Alan Bishop now live in Cairo (playing w/ Omar Korshad)
	8:44pm northguineahills: I mean, Richard Bishop....
	8:52pm Gary: NGH!
	8:58pm PaulRobeson1922: Nixon dark personality
	8:58pm TDK60: Tricky had only two more months to go..heh.
	🇰🇷 8:59pm Listener Gregory: Nixon was always more comfortable on foreign soil, playing the great internationalist, with Henry Kissinger by his side.
	8:59pm northguineahills: Hunter S Thompson would love this song.
	9:00pm northguineahills: unfun fact - Kissinger is still alive and kicking at 99 years old.....
	🇰🇷 9:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Ah yes. The Convenience of the War On Drugs. What it was created for, factually.
	9:05pm PaulRobeson1922: There is still opportunity for the Huage to Wheel Kissinger down to Central Park East and whisk him away to a fair trial….
	9:09pm TDK60: Paul R: Kissinger lives here in NYC eh? I'd like to find his apt bldg., blare Victor Jara on a boombox outside. But maybe the good news out of Chile is enough to fluster...
	9:11pm headcleaner: @simongandrew
	9:13pm headcleaner: I'd like to see Kissinger deported to stand trial at that soccer stadium where Jara (and thousands of others) met their fate
	9:14pm northguineahills: indeed, headcleaner!
	9:15pm headcleaner: Interesting that modern capitalism (and its effects of forced obsolescence) can be as successful at eradicating physical cultural memory as some of history's most notorious dictatorships -- if not more so
	9:16pm ?: Kissinger is on Park Ave. near 52nd.
	🇰🇷 9:20pm Listener Gregory: I told a story on another show about how I had a wonderful cassette of early fusion of jazz and Indian music, which after I while I felt used some very strange scales. Eventually I realized that the tape was stretching each time I played it, and the notes got slightly flatter with each playing. That is the problem with cassettes.
	9:21pm headcleaner: In principle that can all be digitally reconstructed (if we can get over our legitimate "ick" at things digital)
	🇰🇷 9:21pm WR: I looked and New York Public library doesn't have it on order. Don't know how to nudge them.
	9:25pm tim abdellah: That T-Pain Tiny Desk was amaaazing!
	9:25pm northguineahills: "How To Wreck a Nice Beach" by Dave Thompkins is the book Gary was referencing...
	9:26pm Andrew: Sometimes you can submit requests, WR!
	🇰🇷 9:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...nevermind the Theremin - as you all know ...Hendrix's pedal effects maker / tweeker Roger Mayer had roots in the British Navy that reportedly was not overtly discussed (as Jimi's Manager Michael Jefferey liked to put it about that he was former MI5)...
	9:28pm PaulRobeson1922: @TDK: Henry Kissinger has an apartment overlooking the park… LBJ (in private) considered what Kissinger did in Vietnam on the eve of the 68’ election to be treason…Henry sabotaged the peace talks @Nixon’s behest
	9:28pm headcleaner: Damn this rocks
	9:29pm coelacanth∅: hello
	9:30pm Gary: Coelacanth!
	🇰🇷 9:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes see KenBurns' 'Vietnam' for clear exposition of the specific details of Nixon going behind the U.S. Government on Peace Talks to prolong the Vietnam War to get himself Elected.
	9:32pm Gary: Hey Kids, want Andrew Simon's awesome book ... at a discount? Go here and use the code SIMON20 for 20% off: www.sup.org...
	9:34pm northguineahills: @Gary: saving that for when I can buy books again,,, thanks! (and thanks to Andrew too!)
	9:34pm Andrew: Thank you for listening @northguineahills!
	9:35pm ?: "Treason." Among the most over- and misused words of our time, right along with "terrorist."
	9:36pm PaulRobeson1922: @Rev Rabbit: The 13 part documentary is Ok. It’s good to gain a surface level understanding of the American involvement in the Vietnam War… but burns does not cover Hué in enough detail and the tone of the film lacks moral clarity… the war was profoundly immoral from the start. Ken Burns does not take a strong moral stance in the film. There is a perfumed river in Hué & a mass grave in the strawberry patch there. Why? Ken burns tells you how but has little to say about why why why
	9:37pm headcleaner: Can you enlighten us, as you always do, PR22?
	9:37pm PaulRobeson1922: No
	🇰🇷 9:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @PaulR: We've had this convo before. I think Burns' task was to give exposition to the entire History & all events - & in so doing did not spare any Administration exposition of its self-deceptions or lies - broadly. I think it was quite clear & skillful in this.
	9:43pm headcleaner: Moralization is overrated. Better to inform. And in appropriate contexts, indict. (Which seems to overlap with moralization, but is quite different)
	9:44pm tim abdellah: Google translates Duniya Gharura as "Arrogant World"
	9:44pm PaulRobeson1922: @Rev Rabbit: yes we have. Burn’s Civil war coversge is much better. Did you notice Burns connect Racism at home to racism abroad? He told a tale of the Vietnam War without a moral high ground. He failed in his retelling of the war for this reason. The Vietnam war, everyday it went on, was profoundly immoral and the film does not stress this clearly
	9:45pm Gary: Now you're hearing the B side
	9:46pm Andrew: For the Kerning Cultures Podcast on Shaykh Imam: https://kerningcultures.com/kerningcultures/
	9:46pm tim abdellah: Congrats Andrew on the book! Thanks Gary and Andrew for the fascinating conversation and great grooves (spools?)
	9:46pm PaulRobeson1922: The sun bleached bones in Hué, in the Strawberry patch, understand
	9:47pm Andrew: Thanks so much @Tim! I appreciate it.
	🇰🇷 9:47pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...I certainly didn't get the impression Burns was trying to paint it as anything but a vast mistake. Did he give enuff emphasis to war crimes & horrors in proportion to, say, military strategies ? Might be a valid question. His task here was of course immense & hugely freighted. Think I'm leaning towards headcleaner on this one maybe...
	9:48pm Gary: So happy you were here for this one, Tim!
	🇰🇷 9:48pm Listener Gregory: Gary, what is the instrumental background to this song (Duniya Gharura)? Horns? Some kind of loop?
	🇰🇷 9:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...in the current culture - sober exposition of Facts is a Statement in itself - strong medicine even...
	9:49pm Gary: Gosh, Gregory, I'm not entirely sure, but I feel like I'm hearing trumpets plus something with reeds?
	🇰🇷 9:49pm Listener Gregory: Yeah. Thoughts of the Master Musicians of Jajouka (whom I slightly know) are occurring to me, unbidden.
	🇰🇷 9:50pm Listener Gregory: (slightly know their music! I have not had the privilege of meeting them.)
	9:52pm Gary: Hey Kids! Stick around for Sam Segal's If You Lose Your Horse after this, starting at 10 PM sharp! Tonight's episode "With All of Their Eyes, Horses Behold Openness" happens right here: wfmu.org...
	9:52pm PaulRobeson1922: @Rev: a sober exposition on Nazism stresses the profoundly immoral nature of Murder of unpunished murder… Vietnam was Unpunished murder everyday… do u understand that? One of the lessons born out of WWII is that it is our humanity that is capable of these acts… Nixon did not learn any lessons… hippies would critique Nixon as “a little fucking hitler”
	🇰🇷 9:53pm Listener Gregory: Excellent show, Gary. My phone call never came, so I was able to hear most of it. Thanks!
	9:54pm headcleaner: Yet another essential document, Gary
	9:54pm TDK60: Thanks Gary, Andrew.
	9:55pm LambdaCalculus: Thanks for a great show, Gary and Andrew!
	9:55pm caroline from atlanta: great show tonight, thanks Gary and thanks Andrew!
	9:56pm peter: Thanks Gary and Andrew! Great show
	9:56pm Andrew: Thank you all for listening!
	9:56pm PaulRobeson1922: As early as 1965 Mcnamara knew for certain* bombing would never work to “win” the war… the state dept. knew bombing would never work on an agricultural country… but the Bombs fell for nearly 9 more years
	🇰🇷 9:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: PaulR - I suppose every War - or even preparing for War - is that. I think Vietnam being the festering sore in U.S.American politics, foreign ploicy & self-identity for decades - Burns probly saw the shortest line between two points of healing being exposition of factual History. I mean - I certainly learned from it. McNamara was neither spared nor misrepresented in this effort.
	10:00pm PaulRobeson1922: Peace & Love ya’ll!! Good show Gary & Andrew
	🇰🇷 10:00pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Thanks for the fantastic show!! Will grok book.
	10:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Gary!
	🇰🇷 10:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJ Gary - & also Andrew Simon ! ~
	10:00pm Gary: Have a great night, everyone!
	10:00pm Andrew: Goodnight all!
	🇰🇷 10:00pm WR: Thank you ! Gary! Deeply appreciate the work you are doing Andrew! Thank you!

Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from May 25, 2022

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May 25, 2022: From Mahraganat to Shaabi with special guest Andrew Simon
An audio tour of Simon’s new book Media of the Masses: Cassette Culture in Modern Egypt. Simon joins the broadcast to explore how Cairo street music mahraganat—and the official attempts to censor it—began decades earlier with shaabi, a form of folk music from northern Egypt, popular on cassette.

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Anwar Sadat, photo from Media of the Masses

Artist	Track	Album	Year	Approx. start time
Music behind DJ: Bodega Pop	Intro "Intro" by "Bodega Pop"	Bodega Pop	2022	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
100 Copies \| https://100copies.bandcamp.com/
3phaz	Chaos Controlled "Chaos Controlled" by "3phaz"	3phaz	2021	0:04:05 (Pop-up)
Mikha & Snake	Whats Up "Whats Up" by "Mikha & Snake"	Whats Up	2021	0:06:58 (Pop-up)
Acid Arab feat. Sadat & Fifty	Hez Hez	Hez Hez	2021	0:10:14 (Pop-up)
Ahmed El Sweasy	Lahza Wahda "Lahza Wahda" by "Ahmed El Sweasy"	Lahza Wahda	2022	0:13:46 (Pop-up)
DJ Figo	Eadam Mayet "Eadam Mayet" by "DJ Figo"	Eadam Mayet	2020	0:18:23 (Pop-up)
Tahoon	Dakar "Dakar" by "Tahoon"	Dakar	2021	0:21:39 (Pop-up)
Islam Chipsy & EEK	El Dynasor "El Dynasor" by "Islam Chipsy & EEK"	Kahraman	2020	0:23:52 (Pop-up)

Music behind DJ: DJ Shobeer	XX /Instrumental "XX /Instrumental" by "DJ Shobeer"	XX /Instrumental	2021	0:27:40 (Pop-up)
Andrew Simon joins us to talk about his new book, Media of the Masses: Cassette Culture in Modern Egypt
Music behind DJ: Andrew Simon	Talks with Gary "Talks with Gary" by "Andrew Simon"	Live on Bodega Pop	2022	0:42:16 (Pop-up)
Shabaan Abdel Rahim	Bakrah Israel			0:42:43 (Pop-up)
Ahmed Adaweya أحمد عدوية	Habah Fok We Habah Taht			0:58:37 (Pop-up)
Ahmed Adaweya أحمد عدوية	Zohmah Ya Dounya Zohmah			1:06:28 (Pop-up)
Nagat al Saghira نجاة الصغيرة	Ana Bashak El Bahr (I Love the Sea)			1:30:42 (Pop-up)
Maryam Saleh & Zeid Hamdan	Nixon Baba	Halawella	2015	1:35:45 (Pop-up)
Sheikh Imam	Sharaft ya Nixon Baba			1:51:28 (Pop-up)
Al Fanaan Al Shaabi Abu Draa الفنان الشعبي أبو دراع	Mawal Rida Al Walidayn موال رضا الوالدين	Mawal Jamal b/w Mawal Rida Al Walidayn موال جمال \ موال رضا الوالدين	1963	2:13:26 (Pop-up)
Mohamed Rushdi محمد رشدي	Adaweya عدوية	Adaweya عدوية	1965	2:26:27 (Pop-up)
al-Rayyis Bira الريس بيرة	Duniya Gharura دنيا غرورة	Duniya Gharura دنيا غرورة	1973	2:42:24 (Pop-up)
Samir Al-Iskandrani سمير الإسكندراني	Once More It's You	Once More It's You	1966	2:49:47 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Catrina Paslaru	Hei La Bodega "Hei La Bodega" by "Catrina Paslaru"	Hei La Bodega - Carnaval!	2000	2:54:01 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	6:58pm LambdaCalculus: Heya Gary!
	6:58pm Gary: Hey there, LambdaC!
	6:59pm tim abdellah: Hiya Gary!! It's been a few weeks since I got to hang out. Looking forward to this one!
	7:00pm Gary: Tim, this is the show for you! haha
	7:02pm headcleaner: Evening, all
	7:02pm melinda: hi Gary and chums
	7:02pm listener james from westwood: Evening, Gary, Andrew, and all!
	7:04pm Gary: Welcome, Headcleaner, Melinda, and James!
	7:05pm Doug Schulkind: Hi, Gary! Hello, Garyphiles!
	🇰🇷 7:06pm WR: www.discogs.com...
	7:06pm peter: hello Gary & all!
	7:06pm TDK60: Hi there.
	7:07pm Gary: Stream Master Doug! WR! Peter! TDK60!
	7:10pm doctorjazz: Hello Bodega Boppers!
	7:11pm Gary: Dr. Jazz!
	7:14pm Andrew: Hi all! Can't wait to talk cassettes!
	7:14pm Rich in Washington: Gary!
	7:14pm Gary: Andrew Simon's in the house! I mean bodega. Welcome! And hey there Rich!
	7:25pm Rich in Washington: This is amazing!
	7:26pm Andrew: Now imagine this song blasting for tons of taxis in Cairo! Thank you flash drives in dashboards.
	7:26pm Jill B.: Hi Gary. Better late than never!
	7:26pm Gary: This one's on vinyl! Got my copy at Record Grouch
	7:26pm Gary: Mom!
	7:27pm Jill B.: Son!
	🇰🇷 7:32pm WR: we hear him, his level a bit lower than yours.
	🇰🇷 7:33pm WR: Levels better.
	7:42pm Nate from Oz: great show. thanks.
	7:43pm Gary: Welcome, Nate!
	7:45pm Nate from Oz: is any of this music available for non Egyptian protestors like me?
	7:47pm peter: i think i remember this having a very crudely comic music video on YouTube..
	7:48pm Gary: Yes!
	🇰🇷 7:56pm WR: 100copies.bandcamp.com several are here
	8:01pm caroline from atlanta: evening all! logging in late :~)
	8:02pm Gary: Caroline!
	🇰🇷 8:02pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: WooHoo ! Egypt !
	8:03pm Gary: RevRab!
	8:10pm headcleaner: 102 million Egyptians can't be wrong
	8:10pm Nate from Oz: what a great song!
	8:12pm Nate from Oz: thanks so much Gary and Andrew. got to run to a meeting!
	8:13pm Gary: Happy meeting, Nate!
	8:14pm Andrew: Thanks for listening, Nate! I hope you don't encounter any traffic : )
	🇰🇷 8:18pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Thx Andrew Simon for all this Presentation !
	8:22pm tim abdellah: The cassette police!!!
	8:23pm headcleaner: I think we've just heard a new band name
	8:23pm PaulRobeson1922: Hi Gary Hi Andrew! Hi all!!
	8:29pm peter: Did I come for the talk and stay for the music, or come for the music and stay for the talk..?
	🇰🇷 8:30pm Listener Gregory: Will listen while waiting for a phone call. Seems really fascinating.
	8:31pm Gary: PaulRobeson1922! Gregory!
	8:37pm Andrew: This song is about Richard Nixon's visit to Cairo in the summer of 1974!
	8:37pm Andrew: It was remixed in this electro-rock version following the Egyptian Revolution in 2011!
	🇰🇷 8:41pm WR: Dunno why I find this remix of Nixon Baba so charming. Mostly liking the vocal, which I would guess was same on the original. So would like to hear the original as well.
	8:42pm Gary: We'll hear it in a bit!
	8:43pm northguineahills: Doesn't Alan Bishop now live in Cairo (playing w/ Omar Korshad)
	8:44pm northguineahills: I mean, Richard Bishop....
	8:52pm Gary: NGH!
	8:58pm PaulRobeson1922: Nixon dark personality
	8:58pm TDK60: Tricky had only two more months to go..heh.
	🇰🇷 8:59pm Listener Gregory: Nixon was always more comfortable on foreign soil, playing the great internationalist, with Henry Kissinger by his side.
	8:59pm northguineahills: Hunter S Thompson would love this song.
	9:00pm northguineahills: unfun fact - Kissinger is still alive and kicking at 99 years old.....
	🇰🇷 9:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Ah yes. The Convenience of the War On Drugs. What it was created for, factually.
	9:05pm PaulRobeson1922: There is still opportunity for the Huage to Wheel Kissinger down to Central Park East and whisk him away to a fair trial….
	9:09pm TDK60: Paul R: Kissinger lives here in NYC eh? I'd like to find his apt bldg., blare Victor Jara on a boombox outside. But maybe the good news out of Chile is enough to fluster...
	9:11pm headcleaner: @simongandrew
	9:13pm headcleaner: I'd like to see Kissinger deported to stand trial at that soccer stadium where Jara (and thousands of others) met their fate
	9:14pm northguineahills: indeed, headcleaner!
	9:15pm headcleaner: Interesting that modern capitalism (and its effects of forced obsolescence) can be as successful at eradicating physical cultural memory as some of history's most notorious dictatorships -- if not more so
	9:16pm ?: Kissinger is on Park Ave. near 52nd.
	🇰🇷 9:20pm Listener Gregory: I told a story on another show about how I had a wonderful cassette of early fusion of jazz and Indian music, which after I while I felt used some very strange scales. Eventually I realized that the tape was stretching each time I played it, and the notes got slightly flatter with each playing. That is the problem with cassettes.
	9:21pm headcleaner: In principle that can all be digitally reconstructed (if we can get over our legitimate "ick" at things digital)
	🇰🇷 9:21pm WR: I looked and New York Public library doesn't have it on order. Don't know how to nudge them.
	9:25pm tim abdellah: That T-Pain Tiny Desk was amaaazing!
	9:25pm northguineahills: "How To Wreck a Nice Beach" by Dave Thompkins is the book Gary was referencing...
	9:26pm Andrew: Sometimes you can submit requests, WR!
	🇰🇷 9:26pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...nevermind the Theremin - as you all know ...Hendrix's pedal effects maker / tweeker Roger Mayer had roots in the British Navy that reportedly was not overtly discussed (as Jimi's Manager Michael Jefferey liked to put it about that he was former MI5)...
	9:28pm PaulRobeson1922: @TDK: Henry Kissinger has an apartment overlooking the park… LBJ (in private) considered what Kissinger did in Vietnam on the eve of the 68’ election to be treason…Henry sabotaged the peace talks @Nixon’s behest
	9:28pm headcleaner: Damn this rocks
	9:29pm coelacanth∅: hello
	9:30pm Gary: Coelacanth!
	🇰🇷 9:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Yes see KenBurns' 'Vietnam' for clear exposition of the specific details of Nixon going behind the U.S. Government on Peace Talks to prolong the Vietnam War to get himself Elected.
	9:32pm Gary: Hey Kids, want Andrew Simon's awesome book ... at a discount? Go here and use the code SIMON20 for 20% off: www.sup.org...
	9:34pm northguineahills: @Gary: saving that for when I can buy books again,,, thanks! (and thanks to Andrew too!)
	9:34pm Andrew: Thank you for listening @northguineahills!
	9:35pm ?: "Treason." Among the most over- and misused words of our time, right along with "terrorist."
	9:36pm PaulRobeson1922: @Rev Rabbit: The 13 part documentary is Ok. It’s good to gain a surface level understanding of the American involvement in the Vietnam War… but burns does not cover Hué in enough detail and the tone of the film lacks moral clarity… the war was profoundly immoral from the start. Ken Burns does not take a strong moral stance in the film. There is a perfumed river in Hué & a mass grave in the strawberry patch there. Why? Ken burns tells you how but has little to say about why why why
	9:37pm headcleaner: Can you enlighten us, as you always do, PR22?
	9:37pm PaulRobeson1922: No
	🇰🇷 9:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: @PaulR: We've had this convo before. I think Burns' task was to give exposition to the entire History & all events - & in so doing did not spare any Administration exposition of its self-deceptions or lies - broadly. I think it was quite clear & skillful in this.
	9:43pm headcleaner: Moralization is overrated. Better to inform. And in appropriate contexts, indict. (Which seems to overlap with moralization, but is quite different)
	9:44pm tim abdellah: Google translates Duniya Gharura as "Arrogant World"
	9:44pm PaulRobeson1922: @Rev Rabbit: yes we have. Burn’s Civil war coversge is much better. Did you notice Burns connect Racism at home to racism abroad? He told a tale of the Vietnam War without a moral high ground. He failed in his retelling of the war for this reason. The Vietnam war, everyday it went on, was profoundly immoral and the film does not stress this clearly
	9:45pm Gary: Now you're hearing the B side
	9:46pm Andrew: For the Kerning Cultures Podcast on Shaykh Imam: https://kerningcultures.com/kerningcultures/
	9:46pm tim abdellah: Congrats Andrew on the book! Thanks Gary and Andrew for the fascinating conversation and great grooves (spools?)
	9:46pm PaulRobeson1922: The sun bleached bones in Hué, in the Strawberry patch, understand
	9:47pm Andrew: Thanks so much @Tim! I appreciate it.
	🇰🇷 9:47pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...I certainly didn't get the impression Burns was trying to paint it as anything but a vast mistake. Did he give enuff emphasis to war crimes & horrors in proportion to, say, military strategies ? Might be a valid question. His task here was of course immense & hugely freighted. Think I'm leaning towards headcleaner on this one maybe...
	9:48pm Gary: So happy you were here for this one, Tim!
	🇰🇷 9:48pm Listener Gregory: Gary, what is the instrumental background to this song (Duniya Gharura)? Horns? Some kind of loop?
	🇰🇷 9:49pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...in the current culture - sober exposition of Facts is a Statement in itself - strong medicine even...
	9:49pm Gary: Gosh, Gregory, I'm not entirely sure, but I feel like I'm hearing trumpets plus something with reeds?
	🇰🇷 9:49pm Listener Gregory: Yeah. Thoughts of the Master Musicians of Jajouka (whom I slightly know) are occurring to me, unbidden.
	🇰🇷 9:50pm Listener Gregory: (slightly know their music! I have not had the privilege of meeting them.)
	9:52pm Gary: Hey Kids! Stick around for Sam Segal's If You Lose Your Horse after this, starting at 10 PM sharp! Tonight's episode "With All of Their Eyes, Horses Behold Openness" happens right here: wfmu.org...
	9:52pm PaulRobeson1922: @Rev: a sober exposition on Nazism stresses the profoundly immoral nature of Murder of unpunished murder… Vietnam was Unpunished murder everyday… do u understand that? One of the lessons born out of WWII is that it is our humanity that is capable of these acts… Nixon did not learn any lessons… hippies would critique Nixon as “a little fucking hitler”
	🇰🇷 9:53pm Listener Gregory: Excellent show, Gary. My phone call never came, so I was able to hear most of it. Thanks!
	9:54pm headcleaner: Yet another essential document, Gary
	9:54pm TDK60: Thanks Gary, Andrew.
	9:55pm LambdaCalculus: Thanks for a great show, Gary and Andrew!
	9:55pm caroline from atlanta: great show tonight, thanks Gary and thanks Andrew!
	9:56pm peter: Thanks Gary and Andrew! Great show
	9:56pm Andrew: Thank you all for listening!
	9:56pm PaulRobeson1922: As early as 1965 Mcnamara knew for certain* bombing would never work to “win” the war… the state dept. knew bombing would never work on an agricultural country… but the Bombs fell for nearly 9 more years
	🇰🇷 9:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: PaulR - I suppose every War - or even preparing for War - is that. I think Vietnam being the festering sore in U.S.American politics, foreign ploicy & self-identity for decades - Burns probly saw the shortest line between two points of healing being exposition of factual History. I mean - I certainly learned from it. McNamara was neither spared nor misrepresented in this effort.
	10:00pm PaulRobeson1922: Peace & Love ya’ll!! Good show Gary & Andrew
	🇰🇷 10:00pm Threemoons 🌛🌕🌜: Thanks for the fantastic show!! Will grok book.
	10:00pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Gary!
	🇰🇷 10:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ~ TY Always DJ Gary - & also Andrew Simon ! ~
	10:00pm Gary: Have a great night, everyone!
	10:00pm Andrew: Goodnight all!
	🇰🇷 10:00pm WR: Thank you ! Gary! Deeply appreciate the work you are doing Andrew! Thank you!

Bodega Pop with Gary Sullivan: Playlist from May 25, 2022

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