WFMU: destination: OUT with Jeff Golick: Playlist from November 10, 2021

Listener comments!
	🥁 10:02pm WR: Okay Okay, I'm awake. Time to go shopping?
	10:03pm PaulRobeson1920: Good evening WFMU Land! Hi ya’ll
	10:06pm TDK60: Hi Jeff.
	🥁 10:06pm chresti: Hi Jeff and d:OUTER horses!
	10:07pm Jeff Golick: False alarm, @WR! Tho don't let me stop you from shopping. Good eve, @PaulRobeson1920! Yo, @TDK60! Giddyup, @chresti!
	🥁 10:07pm WR: Your opening tracks are really burned into my mind as part of my Sunday morning routine. This Jonathan Richman track does take us in a different direction.
	10:10pm Franco Twinkie: Hi Jeff! I was just in the hospital this afternoon.
	🥁 10:11pm chresti: I rarely am awake the first set of your show Jeff.
	10:11pm Jeff Golick: Oh dea, @Franco! Hope all is ok?
	10:12pm Franco Twinkie: Just that booster jazz.
	10:13pm Jeff Golick: Oh great. Hope it goes down easy. @chresti - it's...not usually like this!
	10:13pm TDK60: Congrats on booster, Franco. \| I just saw that new V.U. movie.
	10:14pm Franco Twinkie: But I will tell you this Jeff, The first time Chresti ever came to my house she dropped the first Modern Lovers album on a cinder block.
	🥁 10:16pm chresti: And what, may I ask, was a cinder block doing under your record, Franco?
	10:16pm Jeff Golick: What'd you think, @TDK60? A good sign, @Franco?
	🥁 10:18pm chresti: I wish to see that VU movie.
	10:18pm Franco Twinkie: From this vantage point, yes. But at the time, not exactly.
	🥁 10:19pm chresti: He was after my friend Caroline.
	10:20pm Jeff Golick: A classic modern lovers tale.
	10:20pm TDK60: It was good. Caught some of the feel of that group and the time and place. I was a bit skeptical since the director is that I'm Not There guy. \| Mott!
	10:20pm coelacanth∅: greetings Jeff, OUTies, stablemates, stablemates with outies...
	10:21pm Franco Twinkie: Hello Coel.
	10:21pm Jeff Golick: I really liked that VU doc. I heard Dean Wareham talking about it on Joe Belock's show on Monday, and he said it would more properly be called NYC 1966 and the Birth of VU or something, which is about right.
	10:21pm Jeff Golick: 'olo, @coelacanth∅!
	🥁 10:22pm chresti: We liked I'm Not There. Hi coel mate!
	🥁 10:22pm doctorjazz: Hello, Destination Pinch Hit!
	10:23pm Franco Twinkie: Hiya Doc!
	10:23pm coelacanth∅: hola Franco, chrestilina
	10:23pm Jeff Golick: Wassup, @doctorjazz!
	10:23pm coelacanth∅: olá dr.j
	10:23pm TDK60: ..one funny thing was, V.U. were loved in Boston but those fans liked V.U. /and/ the Dead too! Ha! (Oh my, dark-sunglassed pals smirk.)
	10:24pm Franco Twinkie: That's me TDK!
	🥁 10:25pm chresti: Hope you were baked, TDK6O?
	10:26pm TDK60: ..the messy facts of history. Yo tambien, Franco. I can't recall, chresti!
	🥁 10:26pm doctorjazz: I liked VU and The Dead (but I found VU when Lou Reed had started his solo career). Hey Franco! Hey WR, caught much of Doug's show on NJ Transit heading home from an informal high school reunion (just a dinner with 4 old friends).
	🥁 10:28pm doctorjazz: Don't know Shephard, but that's a beautiful tune originally by The Band.
	10:28pm Franco Twinkie: I got White Light/White Heat and Aoxomoxoa about the same time. Loved them both equally.
	10:29pm Holland Oats: Wait what? Yo d:o!!
	10:29pm coelacanth∅: i like the majority of the 'dead before 1978... maybe 75%, which is a lot. i really really like everything the modern lovers did before 1977 - which is 1 album. not much else. -but i really like it.
	10:30pm Jeff Golick: Yo, @Holland Oats. I'm trying to figure it out too.
	🥁 10:32pm chresti: My first VU was in Franco's future brother-in-law's room, he was playing Sister Ray on the record player that was on top of a pool table in his room in Santa Maria, CA @1973
	10:33pm Jeff Golick: I first was intro'd to VU the summer after my junior year in high school, and it's not an overstatement to say that my life changed then.
	🥁 10:34pm chresti: *almost exactly 10 years before meeting Franco
	10:35pm coelacanth∅: i never heard velvet underground 'till almost 10 years after their last album, so who knows? would i have liked it, alongside the 'dead and 'floyd, and king crimson and the beatles and pretty things . . . ?
	10:37pm Franco Twinkie: For a fleeting moment when you're young, and no tastemakers have gotten inside your head, music is just music. The embarrassment and dismissal that comes later changes everything.
	10:37pm StringOFperils: This album is making my freak flag fly.
	🥁 10:38pm chresti: That's also around the time I first heard Trout Mask Replica
	10:38pm Jeff Golick: Fly on, @StringOFperils!
	10:39pm TDK60: I bought V.U.'s 1st LP when it came out spring '67, round the same time as I got the Fugs' 2nd, and Silver Apples; also was into Jeff.Air., Dylan, Phil Ochs, etc.
	10:42pm Franco Twinkie: I was lucky, starting in 1968 There was a great underground(literally!)station in Pasadena. Heroin is one of the first things I heard. Radio was never the same after that.
	🥁 10:43pm doctorjazz: A friend turned me on to the 1st Lou Reed album, self titled ((I Can't Stand It, Lisa Says...), worked backwards from there...
	10:44pm coelacanth∅: Franco i probably would've liked it. i liked the pretty things right away and that's a little sloppy at times. the stones' get yer ya-ya's out is a wreck, but i still liked it... but i have to wonder - having my first real music so rich with melody and harmony and rhythm -and a steady beat...
	10:44pm TDK60: Catchy Built to Spill cut.
	10:45pm probablyjohn: feeling all of this tonight
	10:45pm Jeff Golick: Aw yeah, @probablyjohn!
	🥁 10:46pm chresti: StringO, your avatar makes me think of the ads for the laundry detergent in tablet form...Salvo
	10:46pm Jon: Great set!
	🥁 10:46pm doctorjazz: I don't think I ever heard The Pretty Things until hearing then on Bob and Gina's Monday night bash. Strange, another hole in the listening history...
	10:46pm Jeff Golick: Thanks, @Jon! Glad you checked in.
	10:48pm coelacanth∅: my piers when the velvets' first album came out were mostly listening to peter pan records and maybe the chipmunks. i was far ahead of most of them... but maybe not ready for vu
	10:49pm Franco Twinkie: I think I told you this Coel, but at the time I lived next door to smack dealers. 'Heroin' gave me a unique perspective on what I could see going on right outside the window.
	10:50pm coelacanth∅: yeah Franco it would've flown over my head i think!
	10:52pm StringOFperils: @chresti > Don't know Salvo, but I can see how that looks like a laundry detergent item. A woofer lying on its back is a denatured sign. It makes me think of Pop Rocks.
	🥁 10:53pm doctorjazz: Probably would've flown over my head then too...was fairly hip for an all boys yeshiva high school, but that basically meant I'd eat a bacon cheeseburger.
	10:56pm StringOFperils: They still sound like The Schramms on this album. Hoboken vibes.
	10:57pm Franco Twinkie: I lived in a notorious drug sink in the '60's. It was NOT a flower power love in, it was dangerous and ugly.
	10:57pm rw: Yo
	🥁 10:57pm chresti: coel, we had a chipmunks record! Alan Sherman too.
	10:57pm Jeff Golick: @rw: oy
	10:58pm StringOFperils: Oy La Tengo.
	10:58pm coelacanth∅: pure luck with the pretty things doc. i had a friend with 3 older siblings who turned me onto the doors and captain beefheart in 3rd grade; then when we became friends again in 10th grade, the clash and pretty things. who knows when i would've tuned in to the pretty things if not for him.
	10:59pm sufferwords: My Zelda she took’a the money and ran’a with the tailor
	10:59pm Listener Gregory: Put on the radio for just a few minutes before the all-important 11 o’clock news and was thrilled to hear Cortez the Killer. Thanks, Jeff. Have to go now and see whether there was a serious accident on rt 100 or an angry argument at the Rutland school board meeting today. Pics at 11!
	11:00pm coelacanth∅: hay rw
	11:00pm Franco Twinkie: Oh, the pain.
	11:01pm Jeff Golick: Sorry to hear that, @sufferwords.
	11:01pm Jeff Golick: Hopefully there's some lighthearted slice of life story to help send you off in a good mood, @Listener Gregory.
	🥁 11:02pm doctorjazz: Members of Hadassah...
	11:02pm sufferwords: I was away at Camp Granada
	🥁 11:02pm doctorjazz: Love Maggot Brain!
	11:03pm coelacanth∅: Listener G we expect a list of headlines at 1130. no details necessary.
	11:03pm StringOFperils: Kitten saves mother of five by speed-dialing Fire Dept.
	11:03pm rw: coelacanth!
	🥁 11:04pm chresti: VU really hit me when I first moved to LA, my roommate's boyfriend had a bunch of albums I listened to VU's banana album on headphones for the first time (I had the place to myself that night) also Mirror Man
	11:05pm Jeff Golick: Y'all are early adopters. I was a slow learner. Still am!
	11:06pm coelacanth∅: 7-year old twins survived being stranded in snowdrift by eating creamed corn and singing.
	11:06pm TDK60: Parents Demand School Not Teach.
	🥁 11:07pm chresti: I was hangin' with a bunch of musicians then too, that'll learn ya 'bout music!
	🥁 11:09pm chresti: Where did they find creamed corn? (yuck)
	11:10pm StringOFperils: How did creamed corn even get invented? I mean WHY on Earth?
	11:10pm coelacanth∅: no details chresti. you'll have to watch the news if you need to know.
	11:12pm Franco Twinkie: I was with my mom at Newberry's when I got the banana album in a cut-out bin for a dollar. When I got it home there was a James Bond soundtrack record inside. The following week I went back to the store with my mom to get another copy with hopefully the right record inside. All The Velvet Underground albums were gone so I settled for a record by Ultimate Spinach. When my sister and I listened to it in the living room we started laughing so hard we were gasping for air. I threw it up onto the roof.
	🥁 11:12pm doctorjazz: Want to see the VU doc, it's on Apple+ which I don't get (my daughter does, maybe I can mooch her account...)
	🥁 11:13pm doctorjazz: But maybe it would be better to see it at a movie theater...
	11:15pm coelacanth∅: StringO maybe it was a reeses peanut butter cups type of scenario. 3 inattentive people crashed into each-other, one munching on corn, one munching on sugar and one drinking cream...
	11:16pm Bob: I actually don't get VU. They're bland, self-indulgent, not at all musically inventive. But I get a kick out of the fact that many people orbit around them. Obviously, I'm missing something
	11:16pm coelacanth∅: haha Franco
	🥁 11:16pm WR: Franco, I seriously angered a friend (in 1972) when I would not acknowledge that Ultimate Spinach was just as good as The VU.
	11:18pm StringOFperils: Creamed corn, and VU. Not for everyone.
	11:19pm coelacanth∅: aren't ALL bands self-indulgent though? and all artists, all writers, all chefs...
	11:19pm StringOFperils: I find audiences more self-indulgent.
	🥁 11:20pm WR: It connects or it doesn't Bob. I'm long past thinking everyone should enjoy everything. I am hopeful that everyone can continue to explore and find new to them music.
	🥁 11:20pm chresti: I think John Cale's pretty inventive..
	11:20pm Jeff Golick: Hiya, @Bob! I feel you. Everything is not for everyone!
	11:21pm coelacanth∅: everyone who's speaking at any given moment is being self-indulgent
	🥁 11:21pm doctorjazz: In the end, an artist that isn't "self indulgent", is trying anything to get popular approval, the opposite of what we deem "creative artists".
	🥁 11:22pm doctorjazz: The trick is to be "self indulgent", and to still get people interested in it. Or maybe not...
	11:25pm Bob: Interesting. We have gotten to the point where we can't imagine that an artist can produce work that is no more than an indulgence. This saddens me.
	🥁 11:25pm chresti: What's an example of a non self indulgent artist?
	11:26pm coelacanth∅: no one here said anything about it being "no more than"
	11:26pm Bob: Bach
	🥁 11:28pm WR: Thank you for playing Bob. Next.
	11:28pm StringOFperils: Deep insincerity is probably the way to go. Keep them wanting more self-indulgence.
	🥁 11:29pm doctorjazz: Ofege? Now there's a name I never heard (the guitar player is a bit self indulgent, speaking of SI)
	11:30pm rw: Hmmm.... I work in the contemporary art world and have found that the best work seems to require a real belief of the artist in the work they're producing. Not sure if that equals self-indulgence. Of course some of the worst work is made by artists who have a real belief in what they're doing too...
	11:32pm coelacanth∅: Bach is certainly not an example; but maybe we can say that someone who composes music solely for income, and not for artistry, may not be self-indulgent. (ie someone who creates bland crap music for being put on hold in a phone system)
	11:34pm rw: This is such a great version of such a great song. (Calvary Cross) (Friction too, but we haven't gotten there yet)
	🥁 11:34pm doctorjazz: Richard and Linda Cover, nice one. (Just got my Andrew Hill Tone Poet LP delivered, man, the packaging, thought it was some hardware or something...)
	11:36pm StringOFperils: Bland crap sells more units than anything else. Define artistry.
	🥁 11:37pm chresti: rw, it takes courage, for sure, And a dedication, enough that you ignore the nay-sayers and wet blankets.
	🥁 11:38pm doctorjazz: Richard Thompson plays the crap out of his guitar on this one as well. Have tickets to see Richard Thompson next month, psyched (in a week or 2 seeing The Maria Schneider Orchestra at NJPAC. Been listening to her last album a bit, Data Lords, hasn't grabbed me yet (speaking of critically acclaimed recordings that don't connect somehow). But, still listening, could just be me...
	11:38pm zzz: @coel reminds me of that this american life where someone becomes obsessed with the hold music.. just looked it up.. tim carleton, opus no. 1. @rw you ever hear chris forsyth’s cover? also a ripper
	🥁 11:39pm doctorjazz: Speaking of R and L, the last album they did-they were supposed to be throwing things at each other the last tour they did (then they divorced).
	11:41pm Jeff Golick: Hey there, @zzz!
	🥁 11:41pm doctorjazz: Chris Forsyth is another I have trouble getting; the albums can grab me for a few minutes, but seem like back up tracks looking for a lead vocal. Saw him live once, got bored pretty quickly. This remix of R and L is interesting-mixed Linda higher?
	🥁 11:42pm doctorjazz: Seems treble boosted...
	11:42pm rw: Haha, SoP, my son has a buddy who argues that popularity is the gauge on which an artwork's success is measured. (The more popular a song is, the better it is.)
	🥁 11:42pm doctorjazz: But could just be that I'm listening on a laptop
	🥁 11:43pm doctorjazz: Do love that song/album!
	11:44pm zzz: funny docjazz, forsyth definitely one of my favorite live acts!
	11:44pm coelacanth∅: zzz i was friends with someone who last i knew was making hold music. making LOTS of money. i don't know if i ever heard his but i'm sure, based on the predictability and mimicry that defined his band's music, the few times i've heard good hold music it was not his!
	11:45pm rw: zzz, I have not, but I'm sure it's great.
	🥁 11:46pm doctorjazz: zzz, could be the setting, I was at Monte Hall for the Forsyth show, getting old for standing only shows, my younger daughter was along, was also getting antsy. He's definitely a talented guitarist, but something seemed missing (to me).
	11:48pm Franco Twinkie: Doc, you leave me in awe the shear number of shows you still attend.
	11:49pm rw: I love everything.
	🥁 11:49pm doctorjazz: Thanks, Jeff! Fun show!
	11:49pm coelacanth∅: Love is one thing...
	🥁 11:49pm doctorjazz: Franco, wish I could get to more, but I love live shows. Time to meditate...
	11:50pm zzz: trying to think of some good hold music. nothing comes to mind hah. brian eno’s windows 95 the startup music was cool
	11:50pm Jeff Golick: Here's me being self-indulgent.
	11:50pm rw: 'Night doc!
	11:50pm Franco Twinkie: More power to you Doc!
	11:50pm StringOFperils: When Andrew Cyrille makes hold music, phones will be good again.
	11:51pm coelacanth∅: 'night dr.j
	11:52pm Jeff Golick: G'night, @doc!
	11:52pm rw: Is it Sunday morning already?
	11:52pm StringOFperils: Wednesday is :OUT
	11:53pm coelacanth∅: weeks flying by
	11:53pm sufferwords: disconnect = Sonic Youth- I’ve tried but nah not an original or redeeming quality- but suppose I’m the issue not them seeing how they’re revered by DJ’s and folk I respect - but nah suckitude
	11:54pm coelacanth∅: all i know is it ain't over 'till the pukwana sings
	11:54pm sufferwords: still badass set
	11:54pm Jeff Golick: @rw: it's always a sunday morning of the mind.
	11:55pm Jeff Golick: @sufferwords: need not be anyone's issue -- just different views, is all. Re SY, I found it helped a lot to see them live a few times. And thanks!
	11:56pm Franco Twinkie: Sunday morning comin' down...but hey.
	11:56pm StringOFperils: If it sucks for you, then it's true, it really sucks. Trust in the obvious. Looking for an analog in others will put a hurt on your mind.
	11:56pm coelacanth∅: i must have 10 bands/artists that i either dislike or can't stand that are generally raved about in wfmuland. maybe 20. i'm not like everybody else.
	11:56pm coelacanth∅: damn. it's over.
	11:57pm coelacanth∅: is Sam okay?
	11:57pm zzz: fun wed night thanks dj JG!
	11:57pm Franco Twinkie: Mid-week perfection Jeff. Thanks.
	11:57pm StringOFperils: Splendiferous and a nice surprise, Jeff! Thanks!
	🥁 11:57pm WR: Thank you Jeff for indulging in your art of curating a range of recordings for our edutainment. Laters all. Onward.
	🥁 11:58pm chresti: Thanks Jeff! Goodnight all you yea-ers and nay-ers!
	11:58pm sufferwords: SY weren’t as miserable live but… still nonplussed at best
	11:59pm rw: Thanks Jeff G! Fantastic music and fun conversation. Have a good Sunday everyone!
	11:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jeff! 'till then y'all
	🥁 12:00am WR: @11:56 @coelacanth∅: "i'm not like everybody else." You referencing The Kinks? okay, I'll see my way OUT.
	12:01am coelacanth∅: WR I WAS!
	🥁 12:05am chresti: Bob reminds me of Dean, a little.
	12:10am Jeff Golick: Thanks errybody! Was my absolute pleasure to share this space with you! Until next time...

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November 10, 2021: Ballads, power.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	Approx. start time
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble	Tatas-Matoes	Congliptious	Nessa	1968		0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Sun Ra	The Perfect Man "The Perfect Man" by "Sun Ra"	My Brother The Wind, Vol. I	Saturn Research	1970		0:02:22 (Pop-up)
The Modern Lovers	Hospital "Hospital" by "The Modern Lovers"	The Modern Lovers	Home of the Hits	1971/1976		0:05:32 (Pop-up)
The Velvet Underground	Oh! Sweet Nuthin'	Loaded	Cotilion	1970		0:10:52 (Pop-up)
Mott the Hoople	Ballad of Mott the Hoople (March 26th 1972 Zurich)	Mott	Columbia	1973		0:18:10 (Pop-up)
David Bowie	Rock & Roll Suicide "Rock & Roll Suicide" by "David Bowie"	The Rise and Fall Of Ziggy Stardust and The Spiders From Mars	RCA Victor	1972		0:23:27 (Pop-up)
Shepherd	Whispering Pines "Whispering Pines" by "Shepherd"	Follow the Sun	Anthology Recordings	1972/2017		0:26:24 (Pop-up)
Gollum	Prayer of Despair "Prayer of Despair" by "Gollum"	Wayfaring Strangers: Acid Nightmares	Numero Group	1974/2017		0:31:03 (Pop-up)
Built to Spill	Kicked It in the Sun	Perfect from Now On	Warner Bros.	1997		0:38:11 (Pop-up)
Neil Young	Cortez the Killer "Cortez the Killer" by "Neil Young"	Arc/Weld	Reprise	1991		0:46:36 (Pop-up)
Yo La Tengo	Drug Test "Drug Test" by "Yo La Tengo"	President Yo La Tengo	Coyote	1989		0:54:50 (Pop-up)
Funkadelic	Maggot Brain "Maggot Brain" by "Funkadelic"	Maggot Brain	Westbound Records Inc.	1971		0:59:38 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Booker T. & The MGs	Melting Pot "Melting Pot" by "Booker T. & The MGs"					1:09:04 (Pop-up)
The Cure	Lullaby "Lullaby" by "The Cure"	Disintegration	Elektra Records	1989		1:16:16 (Pop-up)
Prince	If I Was Your Girlfriend "If I Was Your Girlfriend" by "Prince"	Sign O' the Times	Paisley Park/Warner Bros.	1987		1:22:15 (Pop-up)
Ofege	It's Not Easy "It's Not Easy" by "Ofege"	Try and Love	EMI	1973		1:25:21 (Pop-up)
Peter Laughner / Friction	Calvary Cross	Take The Guitar Player for a Ride	Tim/Kerr Records	1976/1993		1:31:21 (Pop-up)
Richard & Linda Thompson	Walking on a Wire (Gerry Rafferty Session, 1996 remix)	Hard Luck Stories (1972-1982)	UMC	1982/2020		1:38:55 (Pop-up)
Sleater-Kinney	Milkshake 'n Honey	All Hands on the Bad One	Kill Rock Stars	2000		1:42:56 (Pop-up)
Sonic Youth	Beauty Lies in the eye	Sister	SST	1987		1:45:51 (Pop-up)
Andrew Cyrille	Through the Ages Jehovah	The Navigator	Soul Note	1983	HBD, Andrew Cyrille!	1:48:53 (Pop-up)
Paul Bley	Circles "Circles" by "Paul Bley"	Ballads	ECM	1971	Happy Paul Bley's bday.	1:52:40 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Dudu Pukwana & Spear	Flute Music "Flute Music" by "Dudu Pukwana & Spear"	Flute Music	Caroline	1975		1:55:36 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🥁 10:02pm WR: Okay Okay, I'm awake. Time to go shopping?
	10:03pm PaulRobeson1920: Good evening WFMU Land! Hi ya’ll
	10:06pm TDK60: Hi Jeff.
	🥁 10:06pm chresti: Hi Jeff and d:OUTER horses!
	10:07pm Jeff Golick: False alarm, @WR! Tho don't let me stop you from shopping. Good eve, @PaulRobeson1920! Yo, @TDK60! Giddyup, @chresti!
	🥁 10:07pm WR: Your opening tracks are really burned into my mind as part of my Sunday morning routine. This Jonathan Richman track does take us in a different direction.
	10:10pm Franco Twinkie: Hi Jeff! I was just in the hospital this afternoon.
	🥁 10:11pm chresti: I rarely am awake the first set of your show Jeff.
	10:11pm Jeff Golick: Oh dea, @Franco! Hope all is ok?
	10:12pm Franco Twinkie: Just that booster jazz.
	10:13pm Jeff Golick: Oh great. Hope it goes down easy. @chresti - it's...not usually like this!
	10:13pm TDK60: Congrats on booster, Franco. \| I just saw that new V.U. movie.
	10:14pm Franco Twinkie: But I will tell you this Jeff, The first time Chresti ever came to my house she dropped the first Modern Lovers album on a cinder block.
	🥁 10:16pm chresti: And what, may I ask, was a cinder block doing under your record, Franco?
	10:16pm Jeff Golick: What'd you think, @TDK60? A good sign, @Franco?
	🥁 10:18pm chresti: I wish to see that VU movie.
	10:18pm Franco Twinkie: From this vantage point, yes. But at the time, not exactly.
	🥁 10:19pm chresti: He was after my friend Caroline.
	10:20pm Jeff Golick: A classic modern lovers tale.
	10:20pm TDK60: It was good. Caught some of the feel of that group and the time and place. I was a bit skeptical since the director is that I'm Not There guy. \| Mott!
	10:20pm coelacanth∅: greetings Jeff, OUTies, stablemates, stablemates with outies...
	10:21pm Franco Twinkie: Hello Coel.
	10:21pm Jeff Golick: I really liked that VU doc. I heard Dean Wareham talking about it on Joe Belock's show on Monday, and he said it would more properly be called NYC 1966 and the Birth of VU or something, which is about right.
	10:21pm Jeff Golick: 'olo, @coelacanth∅!
	🥁 10:22pm chresti: We liked I'm Not There. Hi coel mate!
	🥁 10:22pm doctorjazz: Hello, Destination Pinch Hit!
	10:23pm Franco Twinkie: Hiya Doc!
	10:23pm coelacanth∅: hola Franco, chrestilina
	10:23pm Jeff Golick: Wassup, @doctorjazz!
	10:23pm coelacanth∅: olá dr.j
	10:23pm TDK60: ..one funny thing was, V.U. were loved in Boston but those fans liked V.U. /and/ the Dead too! Ha! (Oh my, dark-sunglassed pals smirk.)
	10:24pm Franco Twinkie: That's me TDK!
	🥁 10:25pm chresti: Hope you were baked, TDK6O?
	10:26pm TDK60: ..the messy facts of history. Yo tambien, Franco. I can't recall, chresti!
	🥁 10:26pm doctorjazz: I liked VU and The Dead (but I found VU when Lou Reed had started his solo career). Hey Franco! Hey WR, caught much of Doug's show on NJ Transit heading home from an informal high school reunion (just a dinner with 4 old friends).
	🥁 10:28pm doctorjazz: Don't know Shephard, but that's a beautiful tune originally by The Band.
	10:28pm Franco Twinkie: I got White Light/White Heat and Aoxomoxoa about the same time. Loved them both equally.
	10:29pm Holland Oats: Wait what? Yo d:o!!
	10:29pm coelacanth∅: i like the majority of the 'dead before 1978... maybe 75%, which is a lot. i really really like everything the modern lovers did before 1977 - which is 1 album. not much else. -but i really like it.
	10:30pm Jeff Golick: Yo, @Holland Oats. I'm trying to figure it out too.
	🥁 10:32pm chresti: My first VU was in Franco's future brother-in-law's room, he was playing Sister Ray on the record player that was on top of a pool table in his room in Santa Maria, CA @1973
	10:33pm Jeff Golick: I first was intro'd to VU the summer after my junior year in high school, and it's not an overstatement to say that my life changed then.
	🥁 10:34pm chresti: *almost exactly 10 years before meeting Franco
	10:35pm coelacanth∅: i never heard velvet underground 'till almost 10 years after their last album, so who knows? would i have liked it, alongside the 'dead and 'floyd, and king crimson and the beatles and pretty things . . . ?
	10:37pm Franco Twinkie: For a fleeting moment when you're young, and no tastemakers have gotten inside your head, music is just music. The embarrassment and dismissal that comes later changes everything.
	10:37pm StringOFperils: This album is making my freak flag fly.
	🥁 10:38pm chresti: That's also around the time I first heard Trout Mask Replica
	10:38pm Jeff Golick: Fly on, @StringOFperils!
	10:39pm TDK60: I bought V.U.'s 1st LP when it came out spring '67, round the same time as I got the Fugs' 2nd, and Silver Apples; also was into Jeff.Air., Dylan, Phil Ochs, etc.
	10:42pm Franco Twinkie: I was lucky, starting in 1968 There was a great underground(literally!)station in Pasadena. Heroin is one of the first things I heard. Radio was never the same after that.
	🥁 10:43pm doctorjazz: A friend turned me on to the 1st Lou Reed album, self titled ((I Can't Stand It, Lisa Says...), worked backwards from there...
	10:44pm coelacanth∅: Franco i probably would've liked it. i liked the pretty things right away and that's a little sloppy at times. the stones' get yer ya-ya's out is a wreck, but i still liked it... but i have to wonder - having my first real music so rich with melody and harmony and rhythm -and a steady beat...
	10:44pm TDK60: Catchy Built to Spill cut.
	10:45pm probablyjohn: feeling all of this tonight
	10:45pm Jeff Golick: Aw yeah, @probablyjohn!
	🥁 10:46pm chresti: StringO, your avatar makes me think of the ads for the laundry detergent in tablet form...Salvo
	10:46pm Jon: Great set!
	🥁 10:46pm doctorjazz: I don't think I ever heard The Pretty Things until hearing then on Bob and Gina's Monday night bash. Strange, another hole in the listening history...
	10:46pm Jeff Golick: Thanks, @Jon! Glad you checked in.
	10:48pm coelacanth∅: my piers when the velvets' first album came out were mostly listening to peter pan records and maybe the chipmunks. i was far ahead of most of them... but maybe not ready for vu
	10:49pm Franco Twinkie: I think I told you this Coel, but at the time I lived next door to smack dealers. 'Heroin' gave me a unique perspective on what I could see going on right outside the window.
	10:50pm coelacanth∅: yeah Franco it would've flown over my head i think!
	10:52pm StringOFperils: @chresti > Don't know Salvo, but I can see how that looks like a laundry detergent item. A woofer lying on its back is a denatured sign. It makes me think of Pop Rocks.
	🥁 10:53pm doctorjazz: Probably would've flown over my head then too...was fairly hip for an all boys yeshiva high school, but that basically meant I'd eat a bacon cheeseburger.
	10:56pm StringOFperils: They still sound like The Schramms on this album. Hoboken vibes.
	10:57pm Franco Twinkie: I lived in a notorious drug sink in the '60's. It was NOT a flower power love in, it was dangerous and ugly.
	10:57pm rw: Yo
	🥁 10:57pm chresti: coel, we had a chipmunks record! Alan Sherman too.
	10:57pm Jeff Golick: @rw: oy
	10:58pm StringOFperils: Oy La Tengo.
	10:58pm coelacanth∅: pure luck with the pretty things doc. i had a friend with 3 older siblings who turned me onto the doors and captain beefheart in 3rd grade; then when we became friends again in 10th grade, the clash and pretty things. who knows when i would've tuned in to the pretty things if not for him.
	10:59pm sufferwords: My Zelda she took’a the money and ran’a with the tailor
	10:59pm Listener Gregory: Put on the radio for just a few minutes before the all-important 11 o’clock news and was thrilled to hear Cortez the Killer. Thanks, Jeff. Have to go now and see whether there was a serious accident on rt 100 or an angry argument at the Rutland school board meeting today. Pics at 11!
	11:00pm coelacanth∅: hay rw
	11:00pm Franco Twinkie: Oh, the pain.
	11:01pm Jeff Golick: Sorry to hear that, @sufferwords.
	11:01pm Jeff Golick: Hopefully there's some lighthearted slice of life story to help send you off in a good mood, @Listener Gregory.
	🥁 11:02pm doctorjazz: Members of Hadassah...
	11:02pm sufferwords: I was away at Camp Granada
	🥁 11:02pm doctorjazz: Love Maggot Brain!
	11:03pm coelacanth∅: Listener G we expect a list of headlines at 1130. no details necessary.
	11:03pm StringOFperils: Kitten saves mother of five by speed-dialing Fire Dept.
	11:03pm rw: coelacanth!
	🥁 11:04pm chresti: VU really hit me when I first moved to LA, my roommate's boyfriend had a bunch of albums I listened to VU's banana album on headphones for the first time (I had the place to myself that night) also Mirror Man
	11:05pm Jeff Golick: Y'all are early adopters. I was a slow learner. Still am!
	11:06pm coelacanth∅: 7-year old twins survived being stranded in snowdrift by eating creamed corn and singing.
	11:06pm TDK60: Parents Demand School Not Teach.
	🥁 11:07pm chresti: I was hangin' with a bunch of musicians then too, that'll learn ya 'bout music!
	🥁 11:09pm chresti: Where did they find creamed corn? (yuck)
	11:10pm StringOFperils: How did creamed corn even get invented? I mean WHY on Earth?
	11:10pm coelacanth∅: no details chresti. you'll have to watch the news if you need to know.
	11:12pm Franco Twinkie: I was with my mom at Newberry's when I got the banana album in a cut-out bin for a dollar. When I got it home there was a James Bond soundtrack record inside. The following week I went back to the store with my mom to get another copy with hopefully the right record inside. All The Velvet Underground albums were gone so I settled for a record by Ultimate Spinach. When my sister and I listened to it in the living room we started laughing so hard we were gasping for air. I threw it up onto the roof.
	🥁 11:12pm doctorjazz: Want to see the VU doc, it's on Apple+ which I don't get (my daughter does, maybe I can mooch her account...)
	🥁 11:13pm doctorjazz: But maybe it would be better to see it at a movie theater...
	11:15pm coelacanth∅: StringO maybe it was a reeses peanut butter cups type of scenario. 3 inattentive people crashed into each-other, one munching on corn, one munching on sugar and one drinking cream...
	11:16pm Bob: I actually don't get VU. They're bland, self-indulgent, not at all musically inventive. But I get a kick out of the fact that many people orbit around them. Obviously, I'm missing something
	11:16pm coelacanth∅: haha Franco
	🥁 11:16pm WR: Franco, I seriously angered a friend (in 1972) when I would not acknowledge that Ultimate Spinach was just as good as The VU.
	11:18pm StringOFperils: Creamed corn, and VU. Not for everyone.
	11:19pm coelacanth∅: aren't ALL bands self-indulgent though? and all artists, all writers, all chefs...
	11:19pm StringOFperils: I find audiences more self-indulgent.
	🥁 11:20pm WR: It connects or it doesn't Bob. I'm long past thinking everyone should enjoy everything. I am hopeful that everyone can continue to explore and find new to them music.
	🥁 11:20pm chresti: I think John Cale's pretty inventive..
	11:20pm Jeff Golick: Hiya, @Bob! I feel you. Everything is not for everyone!
	11:21pm coelacanth∅: everyone who's speaking at any given moment is being self-indulgent
	🥁 11:21pm doctorjazz: In the end, an artist that isn't "self indulgent", is trying anything to get popular approval, the opposite of what we deem "creative artists".
	🥁 11:22pm doctorjazz: The trick is to be "self indulgent", and to still get people interested in it. Or maybe not...
	11:25pm Bob: Interesting. We have gotten to the point where we can't imagine that an artist can produce work that is no more than an indulgence. This saddens me.
	🥁 11:25pm chresti: What's an example of a non self indulgent artist?
	11:26pm coelacanth∅: no one here said anything about it being "no more than"
	11:26pm Bob: Bach
	🥁 11:28pm WR: Thank you for playing Bob. Next.
	11:28pm StringOFperils: Deep insincerity is probably the way to go. Keep them wanting more self-indulgence.
	🥁 11:29pm doctorjazz: Ofege? Now there's a name I never heard (the guitar player is a bit self indulgent, speaking of SI)
	11:30pm rw: Hmmm.... I work in the contemporary art world and have found that the best work seems to require a real belief of the artist in the work they're producing. Not sure if that equals self-indulgence. Of course some of the worst work is made by artists who have a real belief in what they're doing too...
	11:32pm coelacanth∅: Bach is certainly not an example; but maybe we can say that someone who composes music solely for income, and not for artistry, may not be self-indulgent. (ie someone who creates bland crap music for being put on hold in a phone system)
	11:34pm rw: This is such a great version of such a great song. (Calvary Cross) (Friction too, but we haven't gotten there yet)
	🥁 11:34pm doctorjazz: Richard and Linda Cover, nice one. (Just got my Andrew Hill Tone Poet LP delivered, man, the packaging, thought it was some hardware or something...)
	11:36pm StringOFperils: Bland crap sells more units than anything else. Define artistry.
	🥁 11:37pm chresti: rw, it takes courage, for sure, And a dedication, enough that you ignore the nay-sayers and wet blankets.
	🥁 11:38pm doctorjazz: Richard Thompson plays the crap out of his guitar on this one as well. Have tickets to see Richard Thompson next month, psyched (in a week or 2 seeing The Maria Schneider Orchestra at NJPAC. Been listening to her last album a bit, Data Lords, hasn't grabbed me yet (speaking of critically acclaimed recordings that don't connect somehow). But, still listening, could just be me...
	11:38pm zzz: @coel reminds me of that this american life where someone becomes obsessed with the hold music.. just looked it up.. tim carleton, opus no. 1. @rw you ever hear chris forsyth’s cover? also a ripper
	🥁 11:39pm doctorjazz: Speaking of R and L, the last album they did-they were supposed to be throwing things at each other the last tour they did (then they divorced).
	11:41pm Jeff Golick: Hey there, @zzz!
	🥁 11:41pm doctorjazz: Chris Forsyth is another I have trouble getting; the albums can grab me for a few minutes, but seem like back up tracks looking for a lead vocal. Saw him live once, got bored pretty quickly. This remix of R and L is interesting-mixed Linda higher?
	🥁 11:42pm doctorjazz: Seems treble boosted...
	11:42pm rw: Haha, SoP, my son has a buddy who argues that popularity is the gauge on which an artwork's success is measured. (The more popular a song is, the better it is.)
	🥁 11:42pm doctorjazz: But could just be that I'm listening on a laptop
	🥁 11:43pm doctorjazz: Do love that song/album!
	11:44pm zzz: funny docjazz, forsyth definitely one of my favorite live acts!
	11:44pm coelacanth∅: zzz i was friends with someone who last i knew was making hold music. making LOTS of money. i don't know if i ever heard his but i'm sure, based on the predictability and mimicry that defined his band's music, the few times i've heard good hold music it was not his!
	11:45pm rw: zzz, I have not, but I'm sure it's great.
	🥁 11:46pm doctorjazz: zzz, could be the setting, I was at Monte Hall for the Forsyth show, getting old for standing only shows, my younger daughter was along, was also getting antsy. He's definitely a talented guitarist, but something seemed missing (to me).
	11:48pm Franco Twinkie: Doc, you leave me in awe the shear number of shows you still attend.
	11:49pm rw: I love everything.
	🥁 11:49pm doctorjazz: Thanks, Jeff! Fun show!
	11:49pm coelacanth∅: Love is one thing...
	🥁 11:49pm doctorjazz: Franco, wish I could get to more, but I love live shows. Time to meditate...
	11:50pm zzz: trying to think of some good hold music. nothing comes to mind hah. brian eno’s windows 95 the startup music was cool
	11:50pm Jeff Golick: Here's me being self-indulgent.
	11:50pm rw: 'Night doc!
	11:50pm Franco Twinkie: More power to you Doc!
	11:50pm StringOFperils: When Andrew Cyrille makes hold music, phones will be good again.
	11:51pm coelacanth∅: 'night dr.j
	11:52pm Jeff Golick: G'night, @doc!
	11:52pm rw: Is it Sunday morning already?
	11:52pm StringOFperils: Wednesday is :OUT
	11:53pm coelacanth∅: weeks flying by
	11:53pm sufferwords: disconnect = Sonic Youth- I’ve tried but nah not an original or redeeming quality- but suppose I’m the issue not them seeing how they’re revered by DJ’s and folk I respect - but nah suckitude
	11:54pm coelacanth∅: all i know is it ain't over 'till the pukwana sings
	11:54pm sufferwords: still badass set
	11:54pm Jeff Golick: @rw: it's always a sunday morning of the mind.
	11:55pm Jeff Golick: @sufferwords: need not be anyone's issue -- just different views, is all. Re SY, I found it helped a lot to see them live a few times. And thanks!
	11:56pm Franco Twinkie: Sunday morning comin' down...but hey.
	11:56pm StringOFperils: If it sucks for you, then it's true, it really sucks. Trust in the obvious. Looking for an analog in others will put a hurt on your mind.
	11:56pm coelacanth∅: i must have 10 bands/artists that i either dislike or can't stand that are generally raved about in wfmuland. maybe 20. i'm not like everybody else.
	11:56pm coelacanth∅: damn. it's over.
	11:57pm coelacanth∅: is Sam okay?
	11:57pm zzz: fun wed night thanks dj JG!
	11:57pm Franco Twinkie: Mid-week perfection Jeff. Thanks.
	11:57pm StringOFperils: Splendiferous and a nice surprise, Jeff! Thanks!
	🥁 11:57pm WR: Thank you Jeff for indulging in your art of curating a range of recordings for our edutainment. Laters all. Onward.
	🥁 11:58pm chresti: Thanks Jeff! Goodnight all you yea-ers and nay-ers!
	11:58pm sufferwords: SY weren’t as miserable live but… still nonplussed at best
	11:59pm rw: Thanks Jeff G! Fantastic music and fun conversation. Have a good Sunday everyone!
	11:59pm coelacanth∅: Thanks Jeff! 'till then y'all
	🥁 12:00am WR: @11:56 @coelacanth∅: "i'm not like everybody else." You referencing The Kinks? okay, I'll see my way OUT.
	12:01am coelacanth∅: WR I WAS!
	🥁 12:05am chresti: Bob reminds me of Dean, a little.
	12:10am Jeff Golick: Thanks errybody! Was my absolute pleasure to share this space with you! Until next time...

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