WFMU: Dark Night of the Soul with Julie: Playlist from May 18, 2021

Listener comments!
	🦇 2:59pm listener james from westwood: Afternoon, Julie and all!!
	3:01pm ryansterlingvirtue: Hi All. Hi Julie!
	🦇 3:01pm Julie: Howdy James!
	🦇 3:01pm Julie: hi Ryan!
	3:02pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Summer's already here! And a warm hello Julie & friends!
	🦇 3:03pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Good afternoon Julie and Dark kNights
	🦇 3:03pm Julie: yes it's getting there Cha Cha! Hiya Rich!
	🦇 3:03pm chris in the redwoods: hi, Julie, james, ryan, Cha Cha, Rich, and all to come.
	🦇 3:03pm Handy Haversack: Julie! Dark Ones! Must have been the shortest Kinks song -- I'm not that late!
	🦇 3:04pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Back at you @citrw
	🦇 3:04pm Julie: hiya Chris & Handy, yes it was a shortish one
	3:06pm David (in London): Hello Julie and all darkened groovers here assembled.
	🦇 3:06pm Julie: hiya David!
	🦇 3:07pm Handy Haversack: I see the metadata are back to streaming out fro Drummer Data Central.
	🦇 3:08pm Julie: oh good!
	3:10pm ryansterlingvirtue: So embarrassing I was texting about this show on COC show.
	3:10pm ryansterlingvirtue: Thanks for setting me straight, Handy!
	3:11pm ryansterlingvirtue: So when is your super goth day Julie?
	🦇 3:11pm Julie: ruh roh
	🦇 3:11pm Julie: Sat night, 9pm-midnight
	🦇 3:11pm Handy Haversack: Ha, no prob, ryansterling! I jump back and forth on Tuesday afternoons. Liable to break an ankle!
	3:12pm ryansterlingvirtue: Thanks! It’s on here? Give the drummer?
	🦇 3:12pm Julie: if you have any goth artists you want to hear please email me julie at wfmu.org (I won't remember to come look here)
	🦇 3:12pm Julie: Yes, Ryan!
	3:13pm ryansterlingvirtue: Super! I can’t think of any requests off the top of my head, if I do I’ll email you.
	🦇 3:16pm B R M: @Julie are you subbing for Marty or on this stream?
	🦇 3:16pm B R M: Oh I see, on here. Oops!
	🦇 3:17pm Julie: yes right here!
	3:18pm Stanley: Hi Julie and everyone. I just got news my cousin has died. (She dated Ray Davis in the sixties!)
	3:19pm Mark R: You're on this comments board all the time Julie, I don't know what you're talking about. Is Joy Division goth? I sorta think so, on accounta the singer hung himself.
	🦇 3:19pm Handy Haversack: Very sorry to hear, Stanley. Solidarity.
	🦇 3:20pm Julie: oh no Stanley, I'm so sorry to hear that. Hiya Mark! Yeah Joy Division fits
	🦇 3:20pm chris in the redwoods: hugs and condolences, Stanley.
	3:21pm Mark R: Sorry to hear that, Stanley.
	🦇 3:21pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Condolences , Stanley
	3:22pm Mark R: Bohemian Vendetta is a helluva good band name.
	3:22pm Stanley: Thanks everyone.
	🦇 3:23pm listener james from westwood: Kindest condolences, Stanley.
	3:23pm WR: Unlurk... John Cale Big White Cloud!
	3:24pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: My condolences, Stanley.
	🦇 3:24pm Julie: hiya WR. Yeah Mark it is!
	3:25pm Ryansterlingvirtue: digging this John Cale
	3:26pm David (in London): Handy, Stanley, WR, james, rich, Cha Cha. Evening all.
	3:29pm David (in London): Julie, don't know if Gloria Mundi are on your gothdar, but they are sometimes credited with being the first ever goth band in the UK. Bauhaus were a post-punk band till they played with GM at the Marquee and then revised their approach considerably. Their stuff still sounds amazing, too.
	3:30pm David (in London): Stanley, so sorry to hear that sir. A doff o' the hat to her.
	🦇 3:30pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Cale from this era is among the greatest stuff ever.
	3:30pm Sylvia: Hello Julie and radio friends, I'm beat so just saying hi, I'll listen to the show tomorrow on the archives, have fun @Stanley sorry for your loss :(
	3:32pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @3:29 David (in London): gotta admit I have never heard of them let alone known they had an impact on Bauhaus - so thanks for telling us about them, I need to check them out ASAP.
	🦇 3:34pm chris in the redwoods: hi, David (iL), agreed about early Bauhaus. also thinking early Cure, the Singles... i dunno goth so much, and figure all my selections would already be selected or be naiive by comparison. have not heard Gloria Mundi, for instance. thanks for the tip.
	🦇 3:36pm Handy Haversack: OK, back soon. Need a few supplies.
	🦇 3:37pm Julie: yeah Im gonna try to get the staples in, Cure, Bauhaus, Joy Division, Sisters.. I think I have some Gloria Mundi will have to look!
	🦇 3:39pm chris in the redwoods: i went on a Peter Murphy bender for awhile, back in the 90s, but i'm not sure i like his music so much anymore.
	🦇 3:41pm Julie: I never really got into him, strangely enough
	3:44pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Peter Murphy's solo career is a mystery to me - I loved Dali' Car (him & Japan's Mick Karn) though.
	3:45pm David (in London): Cha Cha, I second that emotion. Dali's Car was a brilliantly left field for both of them.
	3:46pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: The Chameleons! It never ceases to amaze me how they never made it "big", for the sake of a better expression. I mean they do deserve a lot more attention. Thanks for playing this, Julie! It's one of my dearest vinyls.
	3:46pm miles of middle texas: I'm secretly listening. But I heard these Chameleons and have to stop and say , hi Julie. Thanks for the selections. Hi everyone else too.
	3:47pm drowsy: I was typing but then @photocopy said it well! Cheers everyone!
	🦇 3:47pm Julie: hiya Miles! Yes I think you got me into them, Cha Cha so thank you!
	🦇 3:47pm Julie: hiya drowsy!
	🦇 3:47pm Julie: drowsy = me MOST of the time lately
	3:48pm Ryansterlingvirtue: nice song. I don't want to think anymore! that's what she's saying in Russian.
	3:49pm David (in London): Here's a favourite Gloria Mundi for later if anyone wants to give it an ear. 1977!! That's insane: en.wikipedia.org...
	🦇 3:49pm Julie: Ryan you speak Russian?
	3:50pm David (in London): Agree that The Chameleons should have been bigger.
	🦇 3:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Julie & dark ones.
	🦇 3:51pm Julie: hi Ken!
	3:51pm Stanley: Hi David - haha Gloria Mundi. I think I've already told you I used to do flyers for them and hang out.
	🦇 3:52pm Julie: oh that's awesome!
	3:54pm Stanley: Alien Sex Fiend are one of my favourite goth outfits but I don't think back then they were considered goth.
	🦇 3:55pm Julie: oh yes they definitely fit
	3:56pm David (in London): The Specimen, too. Saw them on the same bill as ASF several times. Stanley, I never miss an opportunity to big up GM! We must discuss it further at some point over a pint or three...
	3:56pm Ryansterlingvirtue: @Julie Yes, I am a Russian teacher at a university.
	3:57pm Ryansterlingvirtue: @stanley ASF were on the original Gothic Rock compilation, I'd say that qualifies them.
	🦇 3:58pm chris in the redwoods: i'm sure if you were my prof, Ryan, i would remember more Russian than i do now. took a few semesters at uni. :)
	3:58pm Stanley: David - I look forward to that.
	🦇 4:01pm Julie: Batastrophe is a hell of a great name for an album
	🦇 4:06pm Julie: aww charles grodin passed. hell of an actor.
	🦇 4:07pm chris in the redwoods: super funny guy. 86. good run, RIP.
	🦇 4:08pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Grodin was great. Especially in Clifford
	4:16pm David (in London): I never understood why Toyah seemed to generate such vitriol. She is a great British rock eccentric and deserves to be treated as such.
	🦇 4:16pm Rich in Bay Ridge: The King Crimson group on FB I belong to had to lock down comments on those lockdown lunch videos. I met Toyah twice and she was amazingly gracious.
	🦇 4:18pm Julie: When I interviewed her all those years ago I got a phone call asking me to stop playing her.
	4:19pm HyperDose: Hey Julie!
	4:19pm David (in London): If Kate Bush had sung this, people would be rhapsodising over it.
	🦇 4:19pm Julie: hiya Hyperdose!
	4:20pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @4:18 Julie: I don't know the circumstances but i personally would find this a bit creepy. The caller misunderstood the term 'freeform radio' for sure.
	🦇 4:21pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Ditto ChaCha. What kind of person does this?
	🦇 4:22pm Julie: well they wanted more freeform and I was playing so much of one person, although it wasn't like it was the whole show
	🦇 4:23pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Fripp did extort me - made me buy Toyah’s “Ophelia’s Shadow” album in exchange for his autographing my copy of Discipline.
	🦇 4:23pm Julie: haha that's so funny.
	🦇 4:23pm Handy Haversack: Well, that took longer than expected. HBD, Toyah!
	4:24pm David (in London): You might say this is Blur ten years earlier.
	4:24pm HyperDose: Ooh Birthday Massacre, nice. I saw you played Kill Hannah last week. Hope you enjoyed the album!
	🦇 4:24pm Julie: yes, thank you!
	4:25pm Phillippe Bastille: Hey there!
	🦇 4:25pm Julie: hiya Phillippe!
	4:26pm David (in London): Yo Phillippe.
	4:26pm HyperDose: Afternoon, David, Handy, & Pillippe!
	🦇 4:27pm Rich in Bay Ridge: 1992 or 3 at Tower Records NYC. Record release appearance/signing in store for Robert and Toyah’s Sunday All Over The World album. Attended by Robert, Toyah, a dozen Crafty Guitarist Fripp disciples, my friend Andy, and me.
	4:27pm Phillippe Bastille: Hey hyper, Julie, dil, handy, et al
	🦇 4:29pm Julie: Nice! So envious, Rich. They were interviewed at the station I THINK it was Dave Mandl who hosted them.
	🦇 4:30pm Rich in Bay Ridge: They must have been disappointed that nearly nobody came out for them, but they were so great to spend time with.
	4:31pm David (in London): Hey HyperDose. Rich - nice to have seen that!
	🦇 4:31pm Rich in Bay Ridge: I wish there was an archive of that!
	🦇 4:32pm chris in the redwoods: Be Proud, Be Loud.... still an anthem for current times.
	🦇 4:34pm Rich in Bay Ridge: blog.wfmu.org...
	🦇 4:35pm Julie: oh yeah, my one and only blog post
	🦇 4:36pm Julie: somewhere I have a digital copy of Dave's interview with them
	🦇 4:39pm Julie: Discogs managed to separate solo Toyah from Toyah the band.
	🦇 4:40pm Rich in Bay Ridge: @David (4:31) I was just lucky to have dropped into Tower a few days before the appearance and noticed the flyer. Had to fake illness and leave work. Was 2 pm on a Tuesday - I guess release day.
	🦇 4:41pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Bill Rieflin was another tragic loss over the past year or so.
	4:42pm David (in London): Rich, you faked illness and left early to catch it? Hats off sir. Bonus points to you!
	🦇 4:44pm Rich in Bay Ridge: I was scared I would get caught. Was a dumb kid and actually felt bad.
	🦇 4:44pm Julie: she's never played the states as a solo act or with her original band, only Humans and Sunday
	4:50pm doctorjazz: Hi Julie and all!
	🦇 4:52pm B R M: Jersey City on some serious bullsh*t with this move
	🦇 4:53pm Julie: indeed...
	4:58pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Things I learned from Wikipedia today: One Of These Days was used as a theme for Soviet Union TV program "Mezhdunarodnaya Panorama" ("International Panorama").
	🦇 4:58pm Julie: oh bizarre!
	4:58pm Stanley: (Removes head from speaker cabinet) That was a blast!
	🦇 4:59pm Julie: I had some monster tax bills myself this week.
	🦇 4:59pm chris in the redwoods: and technically, some of us just learned that here. are you paying attention, City of Jersey City?
	🦇 5:00pm Handy Haversack: FINALLY able to sit down with a drink and WFMU! Sheesh, some days. reposting from WAB yesterday: "If anyone hates writing and just can't stand the thought of putting together, 300 words, contact me through my profile and send me your bullet points or summary, and I'll draft a letter and send it back to you so you can submit it. Use this stupid master's degree for something worthwhile."
	🦇 5:01pm Julie: very kind of you, Handy
	5:02pm HyperDose: That's our Handy, so generous! 😇
	5:05pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Oh man, this is one weird and wonderful cover version, thanks for playing this Julie!
	🦇 5:05pm Julie: this is the craziest version of Gloomy Sunday I've ever heard
	5:06pm Lake Hiawatha Doug: Hi. Can someone post the email address for the letter and who to address it to. I keep missing it when I hear it. Thanks!
	5:06pm David (in London): Everything Billy Mackenzie did was touched by madcap genius.
	5:07pm HyperDose: I addressed mine To Whom It May Concern. the email to send it to is helpus@wfmu.org
	🦇 5:07pm Julie: helpus@wfmu.org addressed to the city of Jersey City
	🦇 5:07pm Julie: Thank you LH Doug!
	5:08pm Lake Hiawatha Doug: Thanks!
	5:08pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @5:06 David (in London): I only have this album, but I trust your tastebuds and will look for more of his works.
	🦇 5:09pm Julie: is the solo stuff good?
	5:12pm David (in London): Cha Cha, Fourth Draw Down is a favie of mine. The later stuff gets a little bland musically, but even then, his vocals are incredible.
	5:12pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: This is quite good post-punk of its time, the lyrics on the other hand.... (Above The Ruins)
	5:14pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @5:12 David (in London): I love the vocals, so over the top dramatic and yet not ridiculous but absolutely fascinating
	5:14pm HyperDose: Ohhhh I love this!
	🦇 5:15pm Julie: Niights are great!
	5:17pm HyperDose: Been looking for new bands to get into now that touring is gearing up again. I miss bumping into other sweaty people!
	5:17pm David (in London): Cha Cha, the first time I ever heard Party Fears Two was confirmation that some people, some artists, just do things their own way,
	5:19pm Scott67: G'day Julie & Nighties! 😎🤙🌏🌻
	🦇 5:19pm Julie: good morning, Scott!
	5:20pm HyperDose: @Julie Do you Skating Polly?
	5:21pm HyperDose: *know oops
	🦇 5:21pm Julie: No, I don't
	5:21pm David (in London): Hey Scotty. I LOVE piano-driven reverb pop like this Nick Garrie. Totally gear. Like Bill Fay's 'Screams in my Ears'.
	5:22pm Scott67: G'day David.👍😎
	🦇 5:23pm Julie: yes he was a great find from last week's Nick hunt!
	5:24pm HyperDose: Oh, they're an Oklahoma band made up of step siblings. They have a very Seattle garage rock sound. www.youtube.com...
	5:25pm doctorjazz: Anybody have a template of some sort for what they want in these letters?
	5:26pm HyperDose: @doctorjazz Here is a copy of mine. Should give you the gist of it: pastebin.com...
	5:28pm Scott67: G'day HyperD, how's that packing going?✌😎📦📦📦
	🦇 5:30pm chris in the redwoods: trapped in a meeting, but g'day, Scott! and yay for this Shout cover. good on em.
	5:31pm Scott67: G'day Chris, ✌😎🌳🌲🌳🌲
	🦇 5:35pm Handy Haversack: Nice cover! We are big Tears for Fears fans around here. Though it sure makes me miss karaoke.
	5:35pm Scott67: G'day Handy!👍😎🐾
	🦇 5:39pm Handy Haversack: G'day, Scotty! How stands the Antipodes?
	🦇 5:40pm Rich in Bay Ridge: T4F never fails to kill at karaoke
	5:40pm doctorjazz: Thanks, HyperDose, well written!
	🦇 5:40pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Thanks Hyperdose. Getting some ideas.
	🦇 5:41pm Julie: sid gold's is open. haven't been over there yet they got plexiglass set up
	5:42pm HyperDose: I would happily pay an outrageous cover charge to see Handy do karaoke! @Scott Everything has been consolidated since the weekend, it's just putting stuff in boxes now. I'll let you know if I need you to swim over and give me a hand. 🏄🏾‍♂️😎🤙🏾
	🦇 5:42pm Julie: moving, HD?
	🦇 5:42pm chris in the redwoods: well done, HyperDose!
	🦇 5:44pm Handy Haversack: Huh, we have never been there, Julie. We usually go to Karaoke Duet in Koreatown, 35th btw. 5th and 6th. HyperDose, my "Borderline" and "Magic Man" are crowd favorites, and my "Wish You Were Here" has literally terrified passers by.
	5:44pm doctorjazz: Still in the office, home soon for home made Birthday dinner (only 29 😉)
	🦇 5:44pm Julie: is that a karaoke box kinda place?
	🦇 5:45pm Julie: it's your birthday, Doc?
	🦇 5:46pm Julie: I used to do Cherry Bomb all the time at Planet Rose until they lost the rights to it.
	🦇 5:46pm Julie: the runaways one not the mellencamp one
	5:46pm David (in London): Handy, I thought I felt a vibration in the Force...
	5:46pm doctorjazz: Today is the day.
	🦇 5:47pm Julie: happy birthday, doctor jazz! You and Toyah!
	5:47pm northguineahills: Actually, had an interview this morning for a job I want. They prefer me to come in person w/ socially distancing rules in place, but it's 180 km away, and I don't have a car, but they said they can Zoom it. @Handy: That's the place my partner's friends used to drag me to. I went for the K-town cuisine (beforehand), and the soju (I have to be properly blitzed If I'm going to do karaoke.
	5:48pm David (in London): Right, gotta split now. Thanks Julie. Night groovers. Will join in for some of the fun on Saturgoth.
	🦇 5:48pm Julie: Night David! NGH that's great, how did it go?
	🦇 5:48pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, Julie, private rooms. What we usually do (did ... ?) is do the "marathon" on a weekend day. It's $15 per person to book the room for up to seven hours! So we invite everyone and go from like 1 PM to 8 PM! Usually the first hour is just me and Kate singing sad songs about alcohol to each other. "Tom Traubert's Blues." "Joey." That kind of thing. David, I once made the mistake of thinking Pulp's "Common People" would find a working-class sense of fellow feeling when we were at an extremely rural roadhouse karaoke session on the Fourth of July in western Michigan. I was greeted with a "Welcome to America" when I finished. So I thinks to myself, well, everyone loves classic rock. Rush did not land with that crowd either. Night, David!
	5:48pm Scott67: Cold Handy!😎
	5:49pm northguineahills: well, I got invited for a final interview, so I suppose it went well....
	🦇 5:49pm Julie: excellent!
	5:50pm Stanley: See ya David
	🦇 5:50pm Julie: two things I hate at karaoke, Jim Steinman songs (too long) and white wall street types trying to rap.
	5:50pm northguineahills: @Handy: I don't think I've done karaoke before 1am over there(we once stayed in a room until 5:30 am.
	🦇 5:51pm Julie: Sid Gold's is a piano bar, it's feels like real singing so that's fun
	🦇 5:53pm Julie: I used to go every week, now after being home so long not sure I have the nerve anymore to get up and sing in front of people
	🦇 5:53pm chris in the redwoods: hbd, doctorjazz! great news, ngh! continued best wishes for success. night, David (iL).
	5:54pm HyperDose: Thank you very much doctorjazz & chris. Happy to be of help, Rich! Yes Julie! I lucked out and found a dreamy place in Bayonne. Was going for a 2br to have an office, but one of the corner penthouse units (1 of 4 with a balcony) was open. I move on Thursday!
	🦇 5:54pm Julie: ohhh balcony is nice to have for sure! Moving is the biggest pain but hopefully you'll love it there!
	5:54pm northguineahills: oh, feliz cumpleanos, dr jazz!
	5:55pm Scott67: Seeya David.✌😎
	🦇 5:55pm Julie: wow this piano
	🦇 5:55pm Handy Haversack: ngh, we try to get max bang for buck with the marathon. Usually a couple of times a year at times we think everyone needs a cathartic release. Christmasaoke. Valetinesaoke.
	5:56pm HyperDose: Those keys did get pretty out of control. Audio whiplash! lol And thanks Julie, I hope so too. :D
	5:56pm Scott67: Happy Docday dude!! 👍😎🥂🍾🎂🎁
	🦇 5:58pm Handy Haversack: Surprisingly vowelly for a Polish word! I bet the song is something like "behzhkovy."
	🦇 6:00pm B R M: Oh I am so happy to hear OG 4AD material tonight... Thanks for this Julie!
	6:00pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @5:48 Handy Haversack: Heh! At least you were not looking for trouble on purpose. Your rural karaoke incident reminded me of yours truly deliberately pissing off local redneck barflies of my small home village by dedicating the '3 songs for 10 Finnish Marks'-option of the local bar's jukebox to Nirvana's Endless Nameless,played three times in a row. They did not like it the first time very much to say the least. By the third time the song started playing, both the drinkers and bar staff wanted the jukebox's power to be disconnected.
	6:01pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: And happy birthday Doctorjazz!
	🦇 6:02pm B R M: Meghan, if you are lurking, show yourself and let's discuss the Goth credentials of early Cocteau Twins 🤔
	🦇 6:02pm Julie: LOL she's often driving on Tuesdays, big work day for her
	🦇 6:03pm Rich in Bay Ridge: I think I like Goth and am afraid of Goth at the same time
	🦇 6:04pm Julie: i went looking for what are the hot goth releases right now and of course marilyn manson was on the list and he's SO NOT
	6:05pm HyperDose: Happy Birthday, doctorjazz! Unfortunate that you have to do homework on your big day, but at least it's for a good cause.
	6:05pm Scott67: NGH, good luck with the job interview mate. I'd lend you my car if I could.👍😎
	🦇 6:05pm B R M: HIS NAME IS ALIVE- so, I grew up in Michigan in the 1980's (c/o 89) an was in college at the University of Michigan in 1990 and let me tell you, it felt LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE that this band was from Livonia, MI (a suburb of Detroit...) the idea that this was being made just down the road was MINDBLOWING. Heroes!
	6:06pm northguineahills: ahhh, the first HNIA album. Warren Defever would evetually take the band to an indie R&B direction. And he did remixes in every genre....
	6:06pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Oh the days when the vinyls in the 4AD section of, say Notting Hill's Music & Video Exchange were actually - affordable... no such luck with Pale Saints' 'In Ribbons' for instance nowadays, yikes.
	🦇 6:07pm Julie: new vinyl prices are crazy.
	6:07pm northguineahills: By the time I finished uni, Ann Arbor and East Lansing (and all places in b/tn) were hotbeds of new music.
	6:09pm northguineahills: @ B R M:: in NYC, 1/4 of my friends were from the aforementioned towns, or Wayne County.
	🦇 6:09pm Handy Haversack: Cha Cha (@6:00), ha! I understand entirely! When I was in grad school in Ann Arbor, 1997-99, it seemed like the only music around was white-boy blues bands. Depressing.
	🦇 6:09pm Julie: there's an actual place called Wayne County?
	🦇 6:10pm B R M: @northguineshills - ha! At The University of Michigan everyone was from NYC! 🤣
	🦇 6:10pm Julie: well probably several..but of course I think of the singer
	🦇 6:10pm Handy Haversack: Home of Wayne State University!
	🦇 6:11pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Will check out the rest of the show on archives. Cheers, all! Thanks for the show (and the Toyah), Julie.
	6:11pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:07 Julie: yes, new vinyls are expensive and frustratingly often not of the best imaginable quality. I seem to remember around early 00s that 4AD vinyls were quite cheap (in the UK at least) as the music itself was not too fashionable?
	🦇 6:11pm Julie: see ya, Rich!
	🦇 6:11pm B R M: I picked this INSIDES record up at Record Store Day a few years back... was a long-coveted record for me
	6:12pm northguineahills: Wayne County is the county that encompasses Detroit and Livonia....
	🦇 6:12pm Handy Haversack: Julie, was it you who did the 4AD cover-art retrospective show a year or two back ... ? Yeesh, my memory is blown!
	🦇 6:12pm Julie: I like Ann Arbor, Detroit less so
	🦇 6:13pm Julie: Handy that was Meghan, but she and I did a 4AD show together on UWP years back
	🦇 6:13pm B R M: oh man... Victorialand!
	🦇 6:13pm Handy Haversack: Ah, maybe that's what I'm thinking of.
	6:14pm northguineahills: Detroit does have one of the best techno/house fests in the US.(in the summer).
	🦇 6:14pm Julie: Yeah that 4AD show was on the mothership so we're talking pre 2015
	🦇 6:15pm Handy Haversack: I saw some decent larger shows in Detroit. Portishead, Jane's Addiction, Shane MacGowan and the Popes.
	🦇 6:15pm Julie: UTP or UWTP whatever letters you wanna use..not UWP
	6:16pm northguineahills: @Handy: by the late 90s, there plenty of great indie rock bands and noise bands from Michigan.
	6:16pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:09 Handy Haversack: it was a surreal experience, as the drinkers i entertained with my "3x1" jukebox selection probably did not rock music, if any music at all (maybe some Finnish tango or other popular Finnish music) only to be treated with a very noisy piece of music.... three times. My home village was one of those places where time literally stood still with very little influence from the outside world.
	🦇 6:18pm B R M: @Handy @northguineshills The recent SOUTHEAST OF SATURN 90's Michigan Shoegaze comp was a real eye opener for me... so many great bands! thirdmanrecords.bandcamp.com...
	🦇 6:18pm Julie: oooooh
	🦇 6:19pm Handy Haversack: It looks good, B R M, and I like all I have heard. Will pick up! And yeah, I was also like, where they hell were they?
	🦇 6:19pm Julie: lovesliescrushing has been around forever.
	6:20pm doctorjazz: Thanks PCC 2000-heading home now, catch you all next time. Thanks,Julie!
	6:20pm northguineahills: I love loveliescrushing (actually have a shellace 7" of theirs).
	6:20pm northguineahills: I love loveliescrushing (actually have a shellac 7" of theirs).
	🦇 6:20pm Julie: have a lovely night Doc! much festive!
	🦇 6:21pm B R M: @Handy TOTALLY! I had no idea there was a scene... it was all built around PLAY IT AGAIN Records in Royal Oak. Ann Arbor had Schoolkids so I never even went there!
	6:21pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:18 B R M: thanks for the link, Michigan Shoegaze here I come! But not before enjoying this lovely 4ad hour up to its last minute.
	🦇 6:21pm Julie: their snow blower jingle bells is a holiday staple
	🦇 6:22pm Julie: how did I pick a DCD instrumental??
	6:22pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:22 Julie: don't worry, this is sooooo good. The most underrated Dead Can Dance album, I do love this!
	6:23pm northguineahills: Don't forget Robert Ashley, Gordon Mumma, Alvin Lucier, David Behrman, and the whole Sonic Arts Union all came from the University of Michigan.
	6:23pm HyperDose: That DCD was so jangley <3
	🦇 6:24pm Julie: I kept expecting Brendan to start singing
	6:24pm northguineahills: @B R M: I only have recs from 7 of those bands (and only have seen 4 live).
	🦇 6:24pm Julie: ohhh this is nice and jangly
	6:25pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Pale Saints are soooooo goooooooood
	🦇 6:26pm B R M: 👏👏👏👏👏👏 This is making my week!
	🦇 6:29pm B R M: Ok, let's see...Unrest, Throwing Muses to come?
	🦇 6:31pm Handy Haversack: Definitely my fave Breeders album.
	6:31pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: The 'rock' department of 4AD also caters to my taste, at least if it's bands like the said Throwing Muses, Belly or this (Breeders).
	🦇 6:32pm chris in the redwoods: Breeders! <3
	🦇 6:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Ian Kevin Curtis 15 July 1956 – 18 May 1980 ...Usually observe B-Days - but - Ian. Goth Day should be under ♏︎Scorpio (there's already Samhain ~ Halloween of course...) or ♑︎Capricorn (Poe's B-Day perhaps?)... But - Happy (! ...?) GothDay !
	🦇 6:33pm Julie: I feel like you could do a whole set of bands Kim Deal was in
	6:33pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:33 Julie: or bands Tanya Donnelly was in + her solo stuff.
	🦇 6:33pm chris in the redwoods: Pixies! <3 haha :)
	🦇 6:34pm Handy Haversack: Ooo, nice deep Pixies cut!
	🦇 6:34pm Julie: I don't remember why they picked the day they did, I'm sure we talked about it when I interviewed DJ Cruel Britannia one of my WGD shows
	🦇 6:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Christopher John Cornell (né Boyle) July 20, 1964 – May 18, 2017 ...After traipsing under the black hole sun all day - I'ma catch a little Julie anyhow dammit...
	🦇 6:35pm Julie: hiya Rev!
	🦇 6:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Ah geez. Lookit this playlist I miss...
	🦇 6:36pm Julie: this is ed-you-cational, is it not?
	🦇 6:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Nick sounding IanCurtis here maybe... Hey Cave wrote a book even...
	6:37pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: This Birthday Party song is a nice reminder I really should watch that Rowland S. Howard documentary asap.
	🦇 6:37pm B R M: Wolfgang Press?
	6:38pm HyperDose: That Breeders album art is something I'd expect to see on Adult Swim at 3am
	🦇 6:38pm Julie: Nick Cave, goth or not goth?
	🦇 6:38pm chris in the redwoods: love what happened when the Birthday Party set up camp in Berlin. wonderfulness
	🦇 6:38pm Handy Haversack: GOTH
	🦇 6:39pm Julie: Wolfgang Press I ended up cutting for time sorry
	🦇 6:39pm Julie: maybe I should do a part two next week, yeah?
	🦇 6:40pm Handy Haversack: Though it's a little like asking whether Jesus was Christian. (That was for you, Nick!)
	🦇 6:40pm B R M: @Julie- no worries, just guessing for fun! I did not expect Colourbox!
	🦇 6:40pm chris in the redwoods: (although, that album was made when they were still in Melbourne, so i'll shut the hell up and just enjoy) :)
	🦇 6:40pm B R M: @Handy 🤣
	🦇 6:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Angular & arty like Ubu or Beefheart Xs Rawk as full contact sport like Stooges or Black Flag ... =s the freaking Birthday Party. Told that they hated playing 'Release The Bats' for the Goths - & they thot Bauhaus were Posers... But they shall be known by their black & evil fruits...
	🦇 6:40pm chris in the redwoods: also what Handy said wrt gothiness of Nick Cave
	🦇 6:41pm Julie: I call him the Goth Neil Diamond but not sure how much his Bad Seeds and beyond fits
	🦇 6:42pm Julie: He is Neil and Brendan Perry is Sinatra
	🦇 6:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Elvis: JerryLee ...do you think I play the Devil's Music - ?!?? JerryLeeLewis: ...Suuuuuhnnn ...You ARE the Devil - ! !...
	🦇 6:42pm Julie: two men who loved teen girls ICK
	🦇 6:43pm chris in the redwoods: well, Nick is all over the place in his writing, but i'd wager one gothy track, at least, on nearly every album.
	6:43pm HyperDose: Goth Neil Diamond? David Bowie is quaking on his spaceship.
	🦇 6:43pm Julie: he just grew that lounge lizard look which made me think of Neil
	6:44pm northguineahills: I used to have this Kendra Smith.....
	🦇 6:44pm Julie: is it peter murphy who sounds so much like Bowie?
	🦇 6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Maybe Cave is more Noir than Goth. Get the crowbar twixt those two ...'Goth Neil Diamond' is pretty pithy !! I mean - Writers & Crooners ...pretty good !
	🦇 6:44pm Julie: like the Bauhaus Ziggy Stardust sounds not so much different
	🦇 6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Of course ...none of them are DOORS fans...
	🦇 6:45pm Julie: I forever seek the goth olivia newton-john
	🦇 6:45pm Julie: oh yeah there's that as well. I played them on my "history of goth" show
	6:46pm HyperDose: Whenever I listen to Peter Murphy's "Deep" album it makes me want to listen to Placebo, and vice versa.
	🦇 6:46pm chris in the redwoods: is Siousxie goth?
	🦇 6:47pm Julie: YESSS
	🦇 6:47pm Julie: people called The Damned goth but I think they are a punk band
	6:48pm northguineahills: Lush!
	🦇 6:48pm Handy Haversack: Nick Cave is Goth revival preacher. Yeah, I think of the Damned as punk.
	🦇 6:48pm chris in the redwoods: i'm sure gonna try to listen to Sat's show, Julie. loving this. want more Julie selections! :)
	🦇 6:49pm Julie: yay Chris!
	🦇 6:50pm chris in the redwoods: an ex gf of mine and I call Nick, "the Preacher" we usually only run into each other at Nick shows.
	🦇 6:50pm Julie: it'll probably be more dance-y but I'll probably finish with the more ethereal stuff
	6:50pm northguineahills: I remember being 16, and a friend just gave me Spooky on cassette. The next day I went on a church ski trip to NC, and spend most of the time on the floor on the school bus listening to it on repeat.
	🦇 6:50pm Julie: I don't quite get the ironic/not-ironic worship of him at shows
	🦇 6:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ......Goth Olivia ...a young ♈︎Aries woman on fb described her fashion sense as coming necked out of an oil spill. It happens that's on my short list of Things I Don't Hate Even a Little ...but I'm just a Rawker... this Lolita Frilly Steampunk Morbid stuff doesn't always trigger my synapses ...but that's not how Goth started... Siouxsee & TheDamned were the earless PostPunk - & already had Goth elements. That's like - are TheKinks & Who HeavyMetal ?? Both more & less than the later folk... Otoh ! - Susan & Vanian were already concurrent with Punk - so posited that PostPunk wasn't really 'Post' after all !...
	🦇 6:50pm Julie: ahhh very nice
	6:50pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: When I'm home and a bit tipsy Lush's Spooky hits the turntable, often at an ungodly hour. Sound bliss.
	🦇 6:51pm chris in the redwoods: i don't get the fans, but i sure envy the love that pours out for him. hehe
	6:52pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Throwing Muses!!!!
	🦇 6:52pm Julie: so more 4AD next week then?
	🦇 6:52pm chris in the redwoods: yes please and thank you.
	🦇 6:53pm B R M: @Julie always and please and thank you!
	🦇 6:53pm Julie: the listener has spoken!
	6:53pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:50 northguineahills: I absolute get that. A tape of Gala & Spooky was with me at all times 1998-99
	6:53pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: what Chris & B R M said, please and thank you
	🦇 6:54pm chris in the redwoods: don't remember the hill music influence in Throwing Muses. just this track or did i miss it entirely?
	🦇 6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: There was AliceCooper ...Iggy on his 'DeathTrip' ...Glam as precursor to Goth... ScreamingJay - Rawk from blood from Vodoun in the 1st place. RobertJohnson was Goth... Southern Goth... Nick is like that... GunClub & the associated plugged into that...
	🦇 6:54pm B R M: I was gonna guess AMERICA BTW but didn't have the guts to call my Throwing Muses shot. 🥰
	6:55pm chresti: Hi Julie, I was singing along in the shower!
	6:55pm northguineahills: Thanks, Julie!
	6:55pm HyperDose: Thanks Julie, this was fun! :) Hey chresti!
	🦇 6:55pm chris in the redwoods: hi, clean chresti!
	🦇 6:56pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Julie!!
	🦇 6:56pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...John Entwistle had Black Humour ...so on... TY Julie !
	🦇 6:56pm chris in the redwoods: thanks bunches, Julie. holy shit, killer ending track!
	🦇 6:56pm Julie: hiya chresti!
	6:57pm northguineahills: @Photocopy: I used to fall to sleep every night to Split my freshman year of uni. Even my frat boy roommates started to like it.
	🦇 6:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Rawk from *Bloooz...
	🦇 6:57pm Julie: this one realllllllly takes me back
	🦇 6:57pm B R M: BTW -- AMERICA was on the Muses self-titled 1986 album so you kept your word on a 1995 cut off! en.wikipedia.org...
	6:57pm Scott67: Thanks Julie, for your awesomeness! ✌😎🤙🌻
	🦇 6:57pm Julie: ahh thanks BRM! must be a compilation
	6:58pm chresti: Hi chris! It was a good thing after getting a flat on my way home from work!
	🦇 6:58pm B R M: @Julie, this show rules. Thank you for another great Tuesday.
	🦇 6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Used to wait for Melt on MTV ...NeoPsych. No one was playing Teardrop Explodes for me then that's for sure...
	6:58pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:57 northguineahills: cool! Thank you so much Julie, so excited there'll be part two of this! Now, gotta brew some coffee for that goth day show so I can stay up late, heh!
	🦇 6:59pm Julie: aww thanks BRM so kind of you!
	🦇 6:59pm Julie: yes Cha Cha I hope to see you there!
	🦇 6:59pm chris in the redwoods: ugh, chresti. picturing you on the side of a noisy, dusty freeway wrestling with grimey tires. not. fun.
	🦇 6:59pm Handy Haversack: "Melt with me, Boston!"
	🦇 7:00pm Handy Haversack: Shoot! Thanks, Julie!

Dark Night of the Soul with Julie: Playlist from May 18, 2021

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Familiar & forgotten gems from 50-plus years of music on the darker side, shoegaze, synthpop, goth, psychedelia, darkwave, with unapologetic detours into 70s pop. In a dark night of the soul, it's always 3 o'clock in the morning.

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Artist	Track	Album	Label	Year	Comments	New	Approx. start time
The Kinks	Wait Until The Summer Comes Along	Kwyet Kinks	BMG	1965			0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Lily Frost	Every Which Way "Every Which Way" by "Lily Frost"	Lunamarium	Nettwerk	1999			0:03:15 (Pop-up)
The Birthday Massacre	Down "Down" by "The Birthday Massacre"	Hide and Seek	Metropolis	2012			0:07:24 (Pop-up)
Hilang Child	Good To Be Young "Good To Be Young" by "Hilang Child"	Every Mover	Bella Union	2021			0:11:00 (Pop-up)
The Peppermint Rainbow	Pink Lemonade (Single Mix)	Will You Be Staying After Sunday	Decca	1969			0:14:19 (Pop-up)
Bohemian Vendetta	Paradox City "Paradox City" by "Bohemian Vendetta"	Bohemian Vendetta	Mainstream Records	1968			0:16:22 (Pop-up)
Opéra De Nuit	L'appel Du Froid "L'appel Du Froid" by "Opéra De Nuit"	Opéra De Nuit	Opéra De Nuit	1988			0:18:34 (Pop-up)
John Cale	Big White Cloud "Big White Cloud" by "John Cale"	Vintage Violence	Columbia	1970			0:23:16 (Pop-up)
Marissa Nadler	Rosary "Rosary" by "Marissa Nadler"	Little Hells	Kemado Records	2009			0:26:33 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: The Monkees	I Wanna Be Free (instrumental)						0:30:25 (Pop-up)
Sam Phillips	Zero Zero Zero! "Zero Zero Zero!" by "Sam Phillips"	For Your Ears New Artist Sampler	Virgin	1996			0:37:38 (Pop-up)
Goodbye Mr. Mackenzie	His Masters Voice	Good Deeds and Dirty Rags	Neon Tetra	1988			0:41:10 (Pop-up)
The Chameleons ‎	As High As You Can Go	Script Of The Bridge (remaster)	Blue Apple Music	1983			0:44:31 (Pop-up)
Kedr Livanskiy	Sunrise Stop "Sunrise Stop" by "Kedr Livanskiy"	Ariadna	2MR	2017			0:48:14 (Pop-up)
Impressions of Winter	Suspiria "Suspiria" by "Impressions of Winter"	End of a Summer	Sad Eyes	2002			0:53:08 (Pop-up)
Sea Creature	Seratonin "Seratonin" by "Sea Creature"	Sea Creature	Bottomfeeder Records	2000			0:56:00 (Pop-up)
Flowers of America	Hott Rain2 "Hott Rain2" by "Flowers of America"	WFOA Presents:The Twin $et	Flowers of America	2021		*	0:59:52 (Pop-up)
Polnalyubvi	Стрелы "Стрелы" by "Polnalyubvi"	V	Polnalyubvi	2017			1:03:14 (Pop-up)
Elton John	Skyline Pigeon "Skyline Pigeon" by "Elton John"	Empty Sky	DJM Records	1969			1:05:52 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Rockabye Baby Ensemble	Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (instrumental)						1:09:28 (Pop-up)
Toyah	Creepy Room "Creepy Room" by "Toyah"	The Changeling	Safari	1982			1:16:57 (Pop-up)
This Fragile Moment	Blow The Pain Away	This Fragile Moment	Unsung Records	2009	Robert Jürjendal, Markus Reuter, Arvo Urb, Chris Wong & Toyah Willcox		1:20:08 (Pop-up)
Toyah	Cotton Vest "Cotton Vest" by "Toyah"	Mayhem	Safari	1985			1:22:32 (Pop-up)
Toyah	Mein Herr "Mein Herr" by "Toyah"	Cabaret	Acrobat Music	1997			1:25:04 (Pop-up)
Sunday All Over The World	Don't Take It Away	Kneeling At The Shrine	EG	1991	Trey Gunn, Toyah & Robert Fripp		1:28:12 (Pop-up)
Toyah	Be Proud, Be Loud (Be Heard)	Love Is The Law	Safari	1983			1:30:43 (Pop-up)
Toyah	Computer "Computer" by "Toyah"	Sheep Farming in Barnet	Safari Records	1979			1:34:10 (Pop-up)
Toyah	Hyperventilate "Hyperventilate" by "Toyah"	In The Court Of The Crimson Queen	Willow Recordings	2008			1:37:06 (Pop-up)
The Humans	Improbable Thing "Improbable Thing" by "The Humans"	Strange Tales	The Humans	2014	William Rieflin, Chris Wong, Toyah		1:40:28 (Pop-up)
Toyah	School's Out "School's Out" by "Toyah"	Minx	Portrait	1985			1:44:43 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: The Backing Track Collective	I Want To Be Free (instrumental)						1:48:26 (Pop-up)
Pink Floyd	One Of These Days "One Of These Days" by "Pink Floyd"	A Collection of Great Dance Songs	Columbia	1981			1:53:51 (Pop-up)
Experiments With Ice	Walk On Furniture	Experiments With Ice	Experimental Records	1981			1:59:31 (Pop-up)
The Associates	Gloomy Sunday "Gloomy Sunday" by "The Associates"	Sulk	Beggars Banquet	1982			2:05:04 (Pop-up)
Ana Egge	You Among The Flowers "You Among The Flowers" by "Ana Egge"	White Tiger	StorySound Records	2018			2:09:05 (Pop-up)
Above The Ruins	Progress "Progress" by "Above The Ruins"	Songs Of The Wolf	Grimnir	1984			2:11:48 (Pop-up)
Niights	So Into You "So Into You" by "Niights"	Hellebores	Sun Pedal Recordings	2020			2:14:31 (Pop-up)
Vox Von Braun	Cynic "Cynic" by "Vox Von Braun"	Something Ain't Wrong	Subroutine Records	2008			2:17:17 (Pop-up)
Nick Garrie	Close Your Eyes "Close Your Eyes" by "Nick Garrie"	The Nightmare of J.B. Stanislas	Rev-Ola	1968			2:19:22 (Pop-up)
The United States of America	Perry Pier	The United States of America	Columbia	1968			2:22:06 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: The Kinks	Sunny Afternoon (instrumental)						2:25:32 (Pop-up)
Black Rose Burning	Shout "Shout" by "Black Rose Burning"	Shout (single)	Black Rose Burning	2021		*	2:30:15 (Pop-up)
Quidam	Bajkowy "Bajkowy" by "Quidam"	Quidam	Ars Mundi	1996			2:36:13 (Pop-up)
Happy Rhodes	Chosen One "Chosen One" by "Happy Rhodes"	Find Me	Auntie Social Music	2007			2:39:46 (Pop-up)
Ousel	Whispers "Whispers" by "Ousel"	Whispers (Single)	Ousel	2021			2:43:36 (Pop-up)
Wolf Parade	Julia Take Your Man Home	Thin Mind	Sub Pop	2020			2:47:31 (Pop-up)
10cc	The Second Sitting for the Last Supper	The Original Soundtrack	Mercury	1975			2:52:06 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Deep Purple	Lalena (instrumental)						2:56:31 (Pop-up)
His Name Is Alive	If July "If July" by "His Name Is Alive"	Livonia	4AD	1990			3:03:13 (Pop-up)
Frazier Chorus	Storm "Storm" by "Frazier Chorus"	Sloppy Heart	4AD	1987			3:06:43 (Pop-up)
Insides	Carly Simon "Carly Simon" by "Insides"	Euphoria	4AD	1993			3:10:42 (Pop-up)
Cocteau Twins	Throughout the Dark Months of April and May	Victorialand	4AD	1986			3:14:16 (Pop-up)
The Glee Club	Icy Blue "Icy Blue" by "The Glee Club"	Mine	4AD	1994			3:16:52 (Pop-up)
Dead Can Dance	The Fatal Impact "The Fatal Impact" by "Dead Can Dance"	Dead Can Dance	4AD	1984			3:20:44 (Pop-up)
Pale Saints	Little Hammer "Little Hammer" by "Pale Saints"	The Comforts Of Madness	4AD	1990			3:23:59 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Cocteau Twins	Oomingmak (instrumental)						3:26:18 (Pop-up)
The Breeders	Iris "Iris" by "The Breeders"	Pod	4AD	1990			3:30:12 (Pop-up)
Pixies	Silver "Silver" by "Pixies"	Doolittle	4AD	1989			3:34:03 (Pop-up)
The Birthday Party	Dull Day "Dull Day" by "The Birthday Party"	Prayers On Fire	4AD	1981			3:36:18 (Pop-up)
Colourbox	Suspicion "Suspicion" by "Colourbox"	Colourbox	4AD	1985			3:39:18 (Pop-up)
Kendra Smith	Temporarily Lucy "Temporarily Lucy" by "Kendra Smith"	Five Ways Of Disappearing	4AD	1995			3:43:47 (Pop-up)
Lush	Tiny Smiles "Tiny Smiles" by "Lush"	Spooky	4AD	1991			3:48:25 (Pop-up)
Throwing Muses	America (She Can't Say No)	Throwing Muses	4AD	1986			3:52:34 (Pop-up)
Music behind DJ: Syd Barrett	Gigolo Aunt (loop) "Gigolo Aunt (loop)" by "Syd Barrett"						3:57:01 (Pop-up)
Modern English	I Melt With You (7" version)	I Melt With You	4AD	1982			3:57:03 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	🦇 2:59pm listener james from westwood: Afternoon, Julie and all!!
	3:01pm ryansterlingvirtue: Hi All. Hi Julie!
	🦇 3:01pm Julie: Howdy James!
	🦇 3:01pm Julie: hi Ryan!
	3:02pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Summer's already here! And a warm hello Julie & friends!
	🦇 3:03pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Good afternoon Julie and Dark kNights
	🦇 3:03pm Julie: yes it's getting there Cha Cha! Hiya Rich!
	🦇 3:03pm chris in the redwoods: hi, Julie, james, ryan, Cha Cha, Rich, and all to come.
	🦇 3:03pm Handy Haversack: Julie! Dark Ones! Must have been the shortest Kinks song -- I'm not that late!
	🦇 3:04pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Back at you @citrw
	🦇 3:04pm Julie: hiya Chris & Handy, yes it was a shortish one
	3:06pm David (in London): Hello Julie and all darkened groovers here assembled.
	🦇 3:06pm Julie: hiya David!
	🦇 3:07pm Handy Haversack: I see the metadata are back to streaming out fro Drummer Data Central.
	🦇 3:08pm Julie: oh good!
	3:10pm ryansterlingvirtue: So embarrassing I was texting about this show on COC show.
	3:10pm ryansterlingvirtue: Thanks for setting me straight, Handy!
	3:11pm ryansterlingvirtue: So when is your super goth day Julie?
	🦇 3:11pm Julie: ruh roh
	🦇 3:11pm Julie: Sat night, 9pm-midnight
	🦇 3:11pm Handy Haversack: Ha, no prob, ryansterling! I jump back and forth on Tuesday afternoons. Liable to break an ankle!
	3:12pm ryansterlingvirtue: Thanks! It’s on here? Give the drummer?
	🦇 3:12pm Julie: if you have any goth artists you want to hear please email me julie at wfmu.org (I won't remember to come look here)
	🦇 3:12pm Julie: Yes, Ryan!
	3:13pm ryansterlingvirtue: Super! I can’t think of any requests off the top of my head, if I do I’ll email you.
	🦇 3:16pm B R M: @Julie are you subbing for Marty or on this stream?
	🦇 3:16pm B R M: Oh I see, on here. Oops!
	🦇 3:17pm Julie: yes right here!
	3:18pm Stanley: Hi Julie and everyone. I just got news my cousin has died. (She dated Ray Davis in the sixties!)
	3:19pm Mark R: You're on this comments board all the time Julie, I don't know what you're talking about. Is Joy Division goth? I sorta think so, on accounta the singer hung himself.
	🦇 3:19pm Handy Haversack: Very sorry to hear, Stanley. Solidarity.
	🦇 3:20pm Julie: oh no Stanley, I'm so sorry to hear that. Hiya Mark! Yeah Joy Division fits
	🦇 3:20pm chris in the redwoods: hugs and condolences, Stanley.
	3:21pm Mark R: Sorry to hear that, Stanley.
	🦇 3:21pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Condolences , Stanley
	3:22pm Mark R: Bohemian Vendetta is a helluva good band name.
	3:22pm Stanley: Thanks everyone.
	🦇 3:23pm listener james from westwood: Kindest condolences, Stanley.
	3:23pm WR: Unlurk... John Cale Big White Cloud!
	3:24pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: My condolences, Stanley.
	🦇 3:24pm Julie: hiya WR. Yeah Mark it is!
	3:25pm Ryansterlingvirtue: digging this John Cale
	3:26pm David (in London): Handy, Stanley, WR, james, rich, Cha Cha. Evening all.
	3:29pm David (in London): Julie, don't know if Gloria Mundi are on your gothdar, but they are sometimes credited with being the first ever goth band in the UK. Bauhaus were a post-punk band till they played with GM at the Marquee and then revised their approach considerably. Their stuff still sounds amazing, too.
	3:30pm David (in London): Stanley, so sorry to hear that sir. A doff o' the hat to her.
	🦇 3:30pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Cale from this era is among the greatest stuff ever.
	3:30pm Sylvia: Hello Julie and radio friends, I'm beat so just saying hi, I'll listen to the show tomorrow on the archives, have fun @Stanley sorry for your loss :(
	3:32pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @3:29 David (in London): gotta admit I have never heard of them let alone known they had an impact on Bauhaus - so thanks for telling us about them, I need to check them out ASAP.
	🦇 3:34pm chris in the redwoods: hi, David (iL), agreed about early Bauhaus. also thinking early Cure, the Singles... i dunno goth so much, and figure all my selections would already be selected or be naiive by comparison. have not heard Gloria Mundi, for instance. thanks for the tip.
	🦇 3:36pm Handy Haversack: OK, back soon. Need a few supplies.
	🦇 3:37pm Julie: yeah Im gonna try to get the staples in, Cure, Bauhaus, Joy Division, Sisters.. I think I have some Gloria Mundi will have to look!
	🦇 3:39pm chris in the redwoods: i went on a Peter Murphy bender for awhile, back in the 90s, but i'm not sure i like his music so much anymore.
	🦇 3:41pm Julie: I never really got into him, strangely enough
	3:44pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Peter Murphy's solo career is a mystery to me - I loved Dali' Car (him & Japan's Mick Karn) though.
	3:45pm David (in London): Cha Cha, I second that emotion. Dali's Car was a brilliantly left field for both of them.
	3:46pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: The Chameleons! It never ceases to amaze me how they never made it "big", for the sake of a better expression. I mean they do deserve a lot more attention. Thanks for playing this, Julie! It's one of my dearest vinyls.
	3:46pm miles of middle texas: I'm secretly listening. But I heard these Chameleons and have to stop and say , hi Julie. Thanks for the selections. Hi everyone else too.
	3:47pm drowsy: I was typing but then @photocopy said it well! Cheers everyone!
	🦇 3:47pm Julie: hiya Miles! Yes I think you got me into them, Cha Cha so thank you!
	🦇 3:47pm Julie: hiya drowsy!
	🦇 3:47pm Julie: drowsy = me MOST of the time lately
	3:48pm Ryansterlingvirtue: nice song. I don't want to think anymore! that's what she's saying in Russian.
	3:49pm David (in London): Here's a favourite Gloria Mundi for later if anyone wants to give it an ear. 1977!! That's insane: en.wikipedia.org...
	🦇 3:49pm Julie: Ryan you speak Russian?
	3:50pm David (in London): Agree that The Chameleons should have been bigger.
	🦇 3:51pm Ken From Hyde Park: Hi, Julie & dark ones.
	🦇 3:51pm Julie: hi Ken!
	3:51pm Stanley: Hi David - haha Gloria Mundi. I think I've already told you I used to do flyers for them and hang out.
	🦇 3:52pm Julie: oh that's awesome!
	3:54pm Stanley: Alien Sex Fiend are one of my favourite goth outfits but I don't think back then they were considered goth.
	🦇 3:55pm Julie: oh yes they definitely fit
	3:56pm David (in London): The Specimen, too. Saw them on the same bill as ASF several times. Stanley, I never miss an opportunity to big up GM! We must discuss it further at some point over a pint or three...
	3:56pm Ryansterlingvirtue: @Julie Yes, I am a Russian teacher at a university.
	3:57pm Ryansterlingvirtue: @stanley ASF were on the original Gothic Rock compilation, I'd say that qualifies them.
	🦇 3:58pm chris in the redwoods: i'm sure if you were my prof, Ryan, i would remember more Russian than i do now. took a few semesters at uni. :)
	3:58pm Stanley: David - I look forward to that.
	🦇 4:01pm Julie: Batastrophe is a hell of a great name for an album
	🦇 4:06pm Julie: aww charles grodin passed. hell of an actor.
	🦇 4:07pm chris in the redwoods: super funny guy. 86. good run, RIP.
	🦇 4:08pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Grodin was great. Especially in Clifford
	4:16pm David (in London): I never understood why Toyah seemed to generate such vitriol. She is a great British rock eccentric and deserves to be treated as such.
	🦇 4:16pm Rich in Bay Ridge: The King Crimson group on FB I belong to had to lock down comments on those lockdown lunch videos. I met Toyah twice and she was amazingly gracious.
	🦇 4:18pm Julie: When I interviewed her all those years ago I got a phone call asking me to stop playing her.
	4:19pm HyperDose: Hey Julie!
	4:19pm David (in London): If Kate Bush had sung this, people would be rhapsodising over it.
	🦇 4:19pm Julie: hiya Hyperdose!
	4:20pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @4:18 Julie: I don't know the circumstances but i personally would find this a bit creepy. The caller misunderstood the term 'freeform radio' for sure.
	🦇 4:21pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Ditto ChaCha. What kind of person does this?
	🦇 4:22pm Julie: well they wanted more freeform and I was playing so much of one person, although it wasn't like it was the whole show
	🦇 4:23pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Fripp did extort me - made me buy Toyah’s “Ophelia’s Shadow” album in exchange for his autographing my copy of Discipline.
	🦇 4:23pm Julie: haha that's so funny.
	🦇 4:23pm Handy Haversack: Well, that took longer than expected. HBD, Toyah!
	4:24pm David (in London): You might say this is Blur ten years earlier.
	4:24pm HyperDose: Ooh Birthday Massacre, nice. I saw you played Kill Hannah last week. Hope you enjoyed the album!
	🦇 4:24pm Julie: yes, thank you!
	4:25pm Phillippe Bastille: Hey there!
	🦇 4:25pm Julie: hiya Phillippe!
	4:26pm David (in London): Yo Phillippe.
	4:26pm HyperDose: Afternoon, David, Handy, & Pillippe!
	🦇 4:27pm Rich in Bay Ridge: 1992 or 3 at Tower Records NYC. Record release appearance/signing in store for Robert and Toyah’s Sunday All Over The World album. Attended by Robert, Toyah, a dozen Crafty Guitarist Fripp disciples, my friend Andy, and me.
	4:27pm Phillippe Bastille: Hey hyper, Julie, dil, handy, et al
	🦇 4:29pm Julie: Nice! So envious, Rich. They were interviewed at the station I THINK it was Dave Mandl who hosted them.
	🦇 4:30pm Rich in Bay Ridge: They must have been disappointed that nearly nobody came out for them, but they were so great to spend time with.
	4:31pm David (in London): Hey HyperDose. Rich - nice to have seen that!
	🦇 4:31pm Rich in Bay Ridge: I wish there was an archive of that!
	🦇 4:32pm chris in the redwoods: Be Proud, Be Loud.... still an anthem for current times.
	🦇 4:34pm Rich in Bay Ridge: blog.wfmu.org...
	🦇 4:35pm Julie: oh yeah, my one and only blog post
	🦇 4:36pm Julie: somewhere I have a digital copy of Dave's interview with them
	🦇 4:39pm Julie: Discogs managed to separate solo Toyah from Toyah the band.
	🦇 4:40pm Rich in Bay Ridge: @David (4:31) I was just lucky to have dropped into Tower a few days before the appearance and noticed the flyer. Had to fake illness and leave work. Was 2 pm on a Tuesday - I guess release day.
	🦇 4:41pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Bill Rieflin was another tragic loss over the past year or so.
	4:42pm David (in London): Rich, you faked illness and left early to catch it? Hats off sir. Bonus points to you!
	🦇 4:44pm Rich in Bay Ridge: I was scared I would get caught. Was a dumb kid and actually felt bad.
	🦇 4:44pm Julie: she's never played the states as a solo act or with her original band, only Humans and Sunday
	4:50pm doctorjazz: Hi Julie and all!
	🦇 4:52pm B R M: Jersey City on some serious bullsh*t with this move
	🦇 4:53pm Julie: indeed...
	4:58pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Things I learned from Wikipedia today: One Of These Days was used as a theme for Soviet Union TV program "Mezhdunarodnaya Panorama" ("International Panorama").
	🦇 4:58pm Julie: oh bizarre!
	4:58pm Stanley: (Removes head from speaker cabinet) That was a blast!
	🦇 4:59pm Julie: I had some monster tax bills myself this week.
	🦇 4:59pm chris in the redwoods: and technically, some of us just learned that here. are you paying attention, City of Jersey City?
	🦇 5:00pm Handy Haversack: FINALLY able to sit down with a drink and WFMU! Sheesh, some days. reposting from WAB yesterday: "If anyone hates writing and just can't stand the thought of putting together, 300 words, contact me through my profile and send me your bullet points or summary, and I'll draft a letter and send it back to you so you can submit it. Use this stupid master's degree for something worthwhile."
	🦇 5:01pm Julie: very kind of you, Handy
	5:02pm HyperDose: That's our Handy, so generous! 😇
	5:05pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Oh man, this is one weird and wonderful cover version, thanks for playing this Julie!
	🦇 5:05pm Julie: this is the craziest version of Gloomy Sunday I've ever heard
	5:06pm Lake Hiawatha Doug: Hi. Can someone post the email address for the letter and who to address it to. I keep missing it when I hear it. Thanks!
	5:06pm David (in London): Everything Billy Mackenzie did was touched by madcap genius.
	5:07pm HyperDose: I addressed mine To Whom It May Concern. the email to send it to is helpus@wfmu.org
	🦇 5:07pm Julie: helpus@wfmu.org addressed to the city of Jersey City
	🦇 5:07pm Julie: Thank you LH Doug!
	5:08pm Lake Hiawatha Doug: Thanks!
	5:08pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @5:06 David (in London): I only have this album, but I trust your tastebuds and will look for more of his works.
	🦇 5:09pm Julie: is the solo stuff good?
	5:12pm David (in London): Cha Cha, Fourth Draw Down is a favie of mine. The later stuff gets a little bland musically, but even then, his vocals are incredible.
	5:12pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: This is quite good post-punk of its time, the lyrics on the other hand.... (Above The Ruins)
	5:14pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @5:12 David (in London): I love the vocals, so over the top dramatic and yet not ridiculous but absolutely fascinating
	5:14pm HyperDose: Ohhhh I love this!
	🦇 5:15pm Julie: Niights are great!
	5:17pm HyperDose: Been looking for new bands to get into now that touring is gearing up again. I miss bumping into other sweaty people!
	5:17pm David (in London): Cha Cha, the first time I ever heard Party Fears Two was confirmation that some people, some artists, just do things their own way,
	5:19pm Scott67: G'day Julie & Nighties! 😎🤙🌏🌻
	🦇 5:19pm Julie: good morning, Scott!
	5:20pm HyperDose: @Julie Do you Skating Polly?
	5:21pm HyperDose: *know oops
	🦇 5:21pm Julie: No, I don't
	5:21pm David (in London): Hey Scotty. I LOVE piano-driven reverb pop like this Nick Garrie. Totally gear. Like Bill Fay's 'Screams in my Ears'.
	5:22pm Scott67: G'day David.👍😎
	🦇 5:23pm Julie: yes he was a great find from last week's Nick hunt!
	5:24pm HyperDose: Oh, they're an Oklahoma band made up of step siblings. They have a very Seattle garage rock sound. www.youtube.com...
	5:25pm doctorjazz: Anybody have a template of some sort for what they want in these letters?
	5:26pm HyperDose: @doctorjazz Here is a copy of mine. Should give you the gist of it: pastebin.com...
	5:28pm Scott67: G'day HyperD, how's that packing going?✌😎📦📦📦
	🦇 5:30pm chris in the redwoods: trapped in a meeting, but g'day, Scott! and yay for this Shout cover. good on em.
	5:31pm Scott67: G'day Chris, ✌😎🌳🌲🌳🌲
	🦇 5:35pm Handy Haversack: Nice cover! We are big Tears for Fears fans around here. Though it sure makes me miss karaoke.
	5:35pm Scott67: G'day Handy!👍😎🐾
	🦇 5:39pm Handy Haversack: G'day, Scotty! How stands the Antipodes?
	🦇 5:40pm Rich in Bay Ridge: T4F never fails to kill at karaoke
	5:40pm doctorjazz: Thanks, HyperDose, well written!
	🦇 5:40pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Thanks Hyperdose. Getting some ideas.
	🦇 5:41pm Julie: sid gold's is open. haven't been over there yet they got plexiglass set up
	5:42pm HyperDose: I would happily pay an outrageous cover charge to see Handy do karaoke! @Scott Everything has been consolidated since the weekend, it's just putting stuff in boxes now. I'll let you know if I need you to swim over and give me a hand. 🏄🏾‍♂️😎🤙🏾
	🦇 5:42pm Julie: moving, HD?
	🦇 5:42pm chris in the redwoods: well done, HyperDose!
	🦇 5:44pm Handy Haversack: Huh, we have never been there, Julie. We usually go to Karaoke Duet in Koreatown, 35th btw. 5th and 6th. HyperDose, my "Borderline" and "Magic Man" are crowd favorites, and my "Wish You Were Here" has literally terrified passers by.
	5:44pm doctorjazz: Still in the office, home soon for home made Birthday dinner (only 29 😉)
	🦇 5:44pm Julie: is that a karaoke box kinda place?
	🦇 5:45pm Julie: it's your birthday, Doc?
	🦇 5:46pm Julie: I used to do Cherry Bomb all the time at Planet Rose until they lost the rights to it.
	🦇 5:46pm Julie: the runaways one not the mellencamp one
	5:46pm David (in London): Handy, I thought I felt a vibration in the Force...
	5:46pm doctorjazz: Today is the day.
	🦇 5:47pm Julie: happy birthday, doctor jazz! You and Toyah!
	5:47pm northguineahills: Actually, had an interview this morning for a job I want. They prefer me to come in person w/ socially distancing rules in place, but it's 180 km away, and I don't have a car, but they said they can Zoom it. @Handy: That's the place my partner's friends used to drag me to. I went for the K-town cuisine (beforehand), and the soju (I have to be properly blitzed If I'm going to do karaoke.
	5:48pm David (in London): Right, gotta split now. Thanks Julie. Night groovers. Will join in for some of the fun on Saturgoth.
	🦇 5:48pm Julie: Night David! NGH that's great, how did it go?
	🦇 5:48pm Handy Haversack: Yeah, Julie, private rooms. What we usually do (did ... ?) is do the "marathon" on a weekend day. It's $15 per person to book the room for up to seven hours! So we invite everyone and go from like 1 PM to 8 PM! Usually the first hour is just me and Kate singing sad songs about alcohol to each other. "Tom Traubert's Blues." "Joey." That kind of thing. David, I once made the mistake of thinking Pulp's "Common People" would find a working-class sense of fellow feeling when we were at an extremely rural roadhouse karaoke session on the Fourth of July in western Michigan. I was greeted with a "Welcome to America" when I finished. So I thinks to myself, well, everyone loves classic rock. Rush did not land with that crowd either. Night, David!
	5:48pm Scott67: Cold Handy!😎
	5:49pm northguineahills: well, I got invited for a final interview, so I suppose it went well....
	🦇 5:49pm Julie: excellent!
	5:50pm Stanley: See ya David
	🦇 5:50pm Julie: two things I hate at karaoke, Jim Steinman songs (too long) and white wall street types trying to rap.
	5:50pm northguineahills: @Handy: I don't think I've done karaoke before 1am over there(we once stayed in a room until 5:30 am.
	🦇 5:51pm Julie: Sid Gold's is a piano bar, it's feels like real singing so that's fun
	🦇 5:53pm Julie: I used to go every week, now after being home so long not sure I have the nerve anymore to get up and sing in front of people
	🦇 5:53pm chris in the redwoods: hbd, doctorjazz! great news, ngh! continued best wishes for success. night, David (iL).
	5:54pm HyperDose: Thank you very much doctorjazz & chris. Happy to be of help, Rich! Yes Julie! I lucked out and found a dreamy place in Bayonne. Was going for a 2br to have an office, but one of the corner penthouse units (1 of 4 with a balcony) was open. I move on Thursday!
	🦇 5:54pm Julie: ohhh balcony is nice to have for sure! Moving is the biggest pain but hopefully you'll love it there!
	5:54pm northguineahills: oh, feliz cumpleanos, dr jazz!
	5:55pm Scott67: Seeya David.✌😎
	🦇 5:55pm Julie: wow this piano
	🦇 5:55pm Handy Haversack: ngh, we try to get max bang for buck with the marathon. Usually a couple of times a year at times we think everyone needs a cathartic release. Christmasaoke. Valetinesaoke.
	5:56pm HyperDose: Those keys did get pretty out of control. Audio whiplash! lol And thanks Julie, I hope so too. :D
	5:56pm Scott67: Happy Docday dude!! 👍😎🥂🍾🎂🎁
	🦇 5:58pm Handy Haversack: Surprisingly vowelly for a Polish word! I bet the song is something like "behzhkovy."
	🦇 6:00pm B R M: Oh I am so happy to hear OG 4AD material tonight... Thanks for this Julie!
	6:00pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @5:48 Handy Haversack: Heh! At least you were not looking for trouble on purpose. Your rural karaoke incident reminded me of yours truly deliberately pissing off local redneck barflies of my small home village by dedicating the '3 songs for 10 Finnish Marks'-option of the local bar's jukebox to Nirvana's Endless Nameless,played three times in a row. They did not like it the first time very much to say the least. By the third time the song started playing, both the drinkers and bar staff wanted the jukebox's power to be disconnected.
	6:01pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: And happy birthday Doctorjazz!
	🦇 6:02pm B R M: Meghan, if you are lurking, show yourself and let's discuss the Goth credentials of early Cocteau Twins 🤔
	🦇 6:02pm Julie: LOL she's often driving on Tuesdays, big work day for her
	🦇 6:03pm Rich in Bay Ridge: I think I like Goth and am afraid of Goth at the same time
	🦇 6:04pm Julie: i went looking for what are the hot goth releases right now and of course marilyn manson was on the list and he's SO NOT
	6:05pm HyperDose: Happy Birthday, doctorjazz! Unfortunate that you have to do homework on your big day, but at least it's for a good cause.
	6:05pm Scott67: NGH, good luck with the job interview mate. I'd lend you my car if I could.👍😎
	🦇 6:05pm B R M: HIS NAME IS ALIVE- so, I grew up in Michigan in the 1980's (c/o 89) an was in college at the University of Michigan in 1990 and let me tell you, it felt LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE that this band was from Livonia, MI (a suburb of Detroit...) the idea that this was being made just down the road was MINDBLOWING. Heroes!
	6:06pm northguineahills: ahhh, the first HNIA album. Warren Defever would evetually take the band to an indie R&B direction. And he did remixes in every genre....
	6:06pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Oh the days when the vinyls in the 4AD section of, say Notting Hill's Music & Video Exchange were actually - affordable... no such luck with Pale Saints' 'In Ribbons' for instance nowadays, yikes.
	🦇 6:07pm Julie: new vinyl prices are crazy.
	6:07pm northguineahills: By the time I finished uni, Ann Arbor and East Lansing (and all places in b/tn) were hotbeds of new music.
	6:09pm northguineahills: @ B R M:: in NYC, 1/4 of my friends were from the aforementioned towns, or Wayne County.
	🦇 6:09pm Handy Haversack: Cha Cha (@6:00), ha! I understand entirely! When I was in grad school in Ann Arbor, 1997-99, it seemed like the only music around was white-boy blues bands. Depressing.
	🦇 6:09pm Julie: there's an actual place called Wayne County?
	🦇 6:10pm B R M: @northguineshills - ha! At The University of Michigan everyone was from NYC! 🤣
	🦇 6:10pm Julie: well probably several..but of course I think of the singer
	🦇 6:10pm Handy Haversack: Home of Wayne State University!
	🦇 6:11pm Rich in Bay Ridge: Will check out the rest of the show on archives. Cheers, all! Thanks for the show (and the Toyah), Julie.
	6:11pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:07 Julie: yes, new vinyls are expensive and frustratingly often not of the best imaginable quality. I seem to remember around early 00s that 4AD vinyls were quite cheap (in the UK at least) as the music itself was not too fashionable?
	🦇 6:11pm Julie: see ya, Rich!
	🦇 6:11pm B R M: I picked this INSIDES record up at Record Store Day a few years back... was a long-coveted record for me
	6:12pm northguineahills: Wayne County is the county that encompasses Detroit and Livonia....
	🦇 6:12pm Handy Haversack: Julie, was it you who did the 4AD cover-art retrospective show a year or two back ... ? Yeesh, my memory is blown!
	🦇 6:12pm Julie: I like Ann Arbor, Detroit less so
	🦇 6:13pm Julie: Handy that was Meghan, but she and I did a 4AD show together on UWP years back
	🦇 6:13pm B R M: oh man... Victorialand!
	🦇 6:13pm Handy Haversack: Ah, maybe that's what I'm thinking of.
	6:14pm northguineahills: Detroit does have one of the best techno/house fests in the US.(in the summer).
	🦇 6:14pm Julie: Yeah that 4AD show was on the mothership so we're talking pre 2015
	🦇 6:15pm Handy Haversack: I saw some decent larger shows in Detroit. Portishead, Jane's Addiction, Shane MacGowan and the Popes.
	🦇 6:15pm Julie: UTP or UWTP whatever letters you wanna use..not UWP
	6:16pm northguineahills: @Handy: by the late 90s, there plenty of great indie rock bands and noise bands from Michigan.
	6:16pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:09 Handy Haversack: it was a surreal experience, as the drinkers i entertained with my "3x1" jukebox selection probably did not rock music, if any music at all (maybe some Finnish tango or other popular Finnish music) only to be treated with a very noisy piece of music.... three times. My home village was one of those places where time literally stood still with very little influence from the outside world.
	🦇 6:18pm B R M: @Handy @northguineshills The recent SOUTHEAST OF SATURN 90's Michigan Shoegaze comp was a real eye opener for me... so many great bands! thirdmanrecords.bandcamp.com...
	🦇 6:18pm Julie: oooooh
	🦇 6:19pm Handy Haversack: It looks good, B R M, and I like all I have heard. Will pick up! And yeah, I was also like, where they hell were they?
	🦇 6:19pm Julie: lovesliescrushing has been around forever.
	6:20pm doctorjazz: Thanks PCC 2000-heading home now, catch you all next time. Thanks,Julie!
	6:20pm northguineahills: I love loveliescrushing (actually have a shellace 7" of theirs).
	6:20pm northguineahills: I love loveliescrushing (actually have a shellac 7" of theirs).
	🦇 6:20pm Julie: have a lovely night Doc! much festive!
	🦇 6:21pm B R M: @Handy TOTALLY! I had no idea there was a scene... it was all built around PLAY IT AGAIN Records in Royal Oak. Ann Arbor had Schoolkids so I never even went there!
	6:21pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:18 B R M: thanks for the link, Michigan Shoegaze here I come! But not before enjoying this lovely 4ad hour up to its last minute.
	🦇 6:21pm Julie: their snow blower jingle bells is a holiday staple
	🦇 6:22pm Julie: how did I pick a DCD instrumental??
	6:22pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:22 Julie: don't worry, this is sooooo good. The most underrated Dead Can Dance album, I do love this!
	6:23pm northguineahills: Don't forget Robert Ashley, Gordon Mumma, Alvin Lucier, David Behrman, and the whole Sonic Arts Union all came from the University of Michigan.
	6:23pm HyperDose: That DCD was so jangley <3
	🦇 6:24pm Julie: I kept expecting Brendan to start singing
	6:24pm northguineahills: @B R M: I only have recs from 7 of those bands (and only have seen 4 live).
	🦇 6:24pm Julie: ohhh this is nice and jangly
	6:25pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Pale Saints are soooooo goooooooood
	🦇 6:26pm B R M: 👏👏👏👏👏👏 This is making my week!
	🦇 6:29pm B R M: Ok, let's see...Unrest, Throwing Muses to come?
	🦇 6:31pm Handy Haversack: Definitely my fave Breeders album.
	6:31pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: The 'rock' department of 4AD also caters to my taste, at least if it's bands like the said Throwing Muses, Belly or this (Breeders).
	🦇 6:32pm chris in the redwoods: Breeders! <3
	🦇 6:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Ian Kevin Curtis 15 July 1956 – 18 May 1980 ...Usually observe B-Days - but - Ian. Goth Day should be under ♏︎Scorpio (there's already Samhain ~ Halloween of course...) or ♑︎Capricorn (Poe's B-Day perhaps?)... But - Happy (! ...?) GothDay !
	🦇 6:33pm Julie: I feel like you could do a whole set of bands Kim Deal was in
	6:33pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:33 Julie: or bands Tanya Donnelly was in + her solo stuff.
	🦇 6:33pm chris in the redwoods: Pixies! <3 haha :)
	🦇 6:34pm Handy Haversack: Ooo, nice deep Pixies cut!
	🦇 6:34pm Julie: I don't remember why they picked the day they did, I'm sure we talked about it when I interviewed DJ Cruel Britannia one of my WGD shows
	🦇 6:34pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Christopher John Cornell (né Boyle) July 20, 1964 – May 18, 2017 ...After traipsing under the black hole sun all day - I'ma catch a little Julie anyhow dammit...
	🦇 6:35pm Julie: hiya Rev!
	🦇 6:35pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Ah geez. Lookit this playlist I miss...
	🦇 6:36pm Julie: this is ed-you-cational, is it not?
	🦇 6:36pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Nick sounding IanCurtis here maybe... Hey Cave wrote a book even...
	6:37pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: This Birthday Party song is a nice reminder I really should watch that Rowland S. Howard documentary asap.
	🦇 6:37pm B R M: Wolfgang Press?
	6:38pm HyperDose: That Breeders album art is something I'd expect to see on Adult Swim at 3am
	🦇 6:38pm Julie: Nick Cave, goth or not goth?
	🦇 6:38pm chris in the redwoods: love what happened when the Birthday Party set up camp in Berlin. wonderfulness
	🦇 6:38pm Handy Haversack: GOTH
	🦇 6:39pm Julie: Wolfgang Press I ended up cutting for time sorry
	🦇 6:39pm Julie: maybe I should do a part two next week, yeah?
	🦇 6:40pm Handy Haversack: Though it's a little like asking whether Jesus was Christian. (That was for you, Nick!)
	🦇 6:40pm B R M: @Julie- no worries, just guessing for fun! I did not expect Colourbox!
	🦇 6:40pm chris in the redwoods: (although, that album was made when they were still in Melbourne, so i'll shut the hell up and just enjoy) :)
	🦇 6:40pm B R M: @Handy 🤣
	🦇 6:40pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Angular & arty like Ubu or Beefheart Xs Rawk as full contact sport like Stooges or Black Flag ... =s the freaking Birthday Party. Told that they hated playing 'Release The Bats' for the Goths - & they thot Bauhaus were Posers... But they shall be known by their black & evil fruits...
	🦇 6:40pm chris in the redwoods: also what Handy said wrt gothiness of Nick Cave
	🦇 6:41pm Julie: I call him the Goth Neil Diamond but not sure how much his Bad Seeds and beyond fits
	🦇 6:42pm Julie: He is Neil and Brendan Perry is Sinatra
	🦇 6:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Elvis: JerryLee ...do you think I play the Devil's Music - ?!?? JerryLeeLewis: ...Suuuuuhnnn ...You ARE the Devil - ! !...
	🦇 6:42pm Julie: two men who loved teen girls ICK
	🦇 6:43pm chris in the redwoods: well, Nick is all over the place in his writing, but i'd wager one gothy track, at least, on nearly every album.
	6:43pm HyperDose: Goth Neil Diamond? David Bowie is quaking on his spaceship.
	🦇 6:43pm Julie: he just grew that lounge lizard look which made me think of Neil
	6:44pm northguineahills: I used to have this Kendra Smith.....
	🦇 6:44pm Julie: is it peter murphy who sounds so much like Bowie?
	🦇 6:44pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Maybe Cave is more Noir than Goth. Get the crowbar twixt those two ...'Goth Neil Diamond' is pretty pithy !! I mean - Writers & Crooners ...pretty good !
	🦇 6:44pm Julie: like the Bauhaus Ziggy Stardust sounds not so much different
	🦇 6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...Of course ...none of them are DOORS fans...
	🦇 6:45pm Julie: I forever seek the goth olivia newton-john
	🦇 6:45pm Julie: oh yeah there's that as well. I played them on my "history of goth" show
	6:46pm HyperDose: Whenever I listen to Peter Murphy's "Deep" album it makes me want to listen to Placebo, and vice versa.
	🦇 6:46pm chris in the redwoods: is Siousxie goth?
	🦇 6:47pm Julie: YESSS
	🦇 6:47pm Julie: people called The Damned goth but I think they are a punk band
	6:48pm northguineahills: Lush!
	🦇 6:48pm Handy Haversack: Nick Cave is Goth revival preacher. Yeah, I think of the Damned as punk.
	🦇 6:48pm chris in the redwoods: i'm sure gonna try to listen to Sat's show, Julie. loving this. want more Julie selections! :)
	🦇 6:49pm Julie: yay Chris!
	🦇 6:50pm chris in the redwoods: an ex gf of mine and I call Nick, "the Preacher" we usually only run into each other at Nick shows.
	🦇 6:50pm Julie: it'll probably be more dance-y but I'll probably finish with the more ethereal stuff
	6:50pm northguineahills: I remember being 16, and a friend just gave me Spooky on cassette. The next day I went on a church ski trip to NC, and spend most of the time on the floor on the school bus listening to it on repeat.
	🦇 6:50pm Julie: I don't quite get the ironic/not-ironic worship of him at shows
	🦇 6:50pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ......Goth Olivia ...a young ♈︎Aries woman on fb described her fashion sense as coming necked out of an oil spill. It happens that's on my short list of Things I Don't Hate Even a Little ...but I'm just a Rawker... this Lolita Frilly Steampunk Morbid stuff doesn't always trigger my synapses ...but that's not how Goth started... Siouxsee & TheDamned were the earless PostPunk - & already had Goth elements. That's like - are TheKinks & Who HeavyMetal ?? Both more & less than the later folk... Otoh ! - Susan & Vanian were already concurrent with Punk - so posited that PostPunk wasn't really 'Post' after all !...
	🦇 6:50pm Julie: ahhh very nice
	6:50pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: When I'm home and a bit tipsy Lush's Spooky hits the turntable, often at an ungodly hour. Sound bliss.
	🦇 6:51pm chris in the redwoods: i don't get the fans, but i sure envy the love that pours out for him. hehe
	6:52pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: Throwing Muses!!!!
	🦇 6:52pm Julie: so more 4AD next week then?
	🦇 6:52pm chris in the redwoods: yes please and thank you.
	🦇 6:53pm B R M: @Julie always and please and thank you!
	🦇 6:53pm Julie: the listener has spoken!
	6:53pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:50 northguineahills: I absolute get that. A tape of Gala & Spooky was with me at all times 1998-99
	6:53pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: what Chris & B R M said, please and thank you
	🦇 6:54pm chris in the redwoods: don't remember the hill music influence in Throwing Muses. just this track or did i miss it entirely?
	🦇 6:54pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: There was AliceCooper ...Iggy on his 'DeathTrip' ...Glam as precursor to Goth... ScreamingJay - Rawk from blood from Vodoun in the 1st place. RobertJohnson was Goth... Southern Goth... Nick is like that... GunClub & the associated plugged into that...
	🦇 6:54pm B R M: I was gonna guess AMERICA BTW but didn't have the guts to call my Throwing Muses shot. 🥰
	6:55pm chresti: Hi Julie, I was singing along in the shower!
	6:55pm northguineahills: Thanks, Julie!
	6:55pm HyperDose: Thanks Julie, this was fun! :) Hey chresti!
	🦇 6:55pm chris in the redwoods: hi, clean chresti!
	🦇 6:56pm listener james from westwood: Thanks, Julie!!
	🦇 6:56pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: ...John Entwistle had Black Humour ...so on... TY Julie !
	🦇 6:56pm chris in the redwoods: thanks bunches, Julie. holy shit, killer ending track!
	🦇 6:56pm Julie: hiya chresti!
	6:57pm northguineahills: @Photocopy: I used to fall to sleep every night to Split my freshman year of uni. Even my frat boy roommates started to like it.
	🦇 6:57pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Rawk from *Bloooz...
	🦇 6:57pm Julie: this one realllllllly takes me back
	🦇 6:57pm B R M: BTW -- AMERICA was on the Muses self-titled 1986 album so you kept your word on a 1995 cut off! en.wikipedia.org...
	6:57pm Scott67: Thanks Julie, for your awesomeness! ✌😎🤙🌻
	🦇 6:57pm Julie: ahh thanks BRM! must be a compilation
	6:58pm chresti: Hi chris! It was a good thing after getting a flat on my way home from work!
	🦇 6:58pm B R M: @Julie, this show rules. Thank you for another great Tuesday.
	🦇 6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63: Used to wait for Melt on MTV ...NeoPsych. No one was playing Teardrop Explodes for me then that's for sure...
	6:58pm Photocopy Cha Cha 2000: @6:57 northguineahills: cool! Thank you so much Julie, so excited there'll be part two of this! Now, gotta brew some coffee for that goth day show so I can stay up late, heh!
	🦇 6:59pm Julie: aww thanks BRM so kind of you!
	🦇 6:59pm Julie: yes Cha Cha I hope to see you there!
	🦇 6:59pm chris in the redwoods: ugh, chresti. picturing you on the side of a noisy, dusty freeway wrestling with grimey tires. not. fun.
	🦇 6:59pm Handy Haversack: "Melt with me, Boston!"
	🦇 7:00pm Handy Haversack: Shoot! Thanks, Julie!

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